[00:01] <yrdsb> What the fastest way to run ubuntu dual boot or vm
[00:02] <leftyfb> yrdsb: every OS on the planet will run better native as opposed to virtualized
[00:03] <yrdsb> So what should I do to install Ubuntu vm or dualboot
[00:03] <leftyfb> yrdsb: that is up to you. Not really a support question
[00:03] <yrdsb> So is Ubuntu closed source
[00:04] <leftyfb> yrdsb: seriously?
[00:04] <yrdsb> Also how come Ubuntu use libreoffice and not Microsoft office
[00:04] <leftyfb> yrdsb: /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:04] <yrdsb> So how to install vanilla gnome on ubuntu
[00:04] <yrdsb> Since I disabled all the extension and gnome is still a bit modified
[00:04] <leftyfb> yrdsb: please /join #ubuntu-offtopic for your multitude of questions
[00:15] <webchat93> Hi, I am trying to use Creative BT-W3 USB Bluetooth dongle but can not find it from the 'hciconfig -a'. 'lsusb' does show the dongle though. I am wondering if the kernel is configured correct. I read somewhere saying that HCI USB Bluetooth is needed but not sure how to configure it.
[00:15] <webchat93> Here is the 'lsusb' output :
[00:15] <webchat93> Bus 001 Device 007: ID 041e:3270 Creative Technology, Ltd
[00:15] <webchat93> here is the hciconfig -a output
[00:16] <webchat93> hci0:   Type: Primary  Bus: UART
[00:16] <webchat93>         BD Address: E4:5F:01:CB:E0:01  ACL MTU: 1021:8  SCO MTU: 64:1
[00:16] <webchat93>         UP RUNNING
[00:16] <webchat93> this should be the built-in BT I think
[00:16] <Jeremy31> That doesn't look like complete results
[00:17] <webchat93> yes, i only paste the partial output. here is the complete one:
[00:18] <Jeremy31> post a pastebin URL
[00:18] <webchat93> hci0:   Type: Primary  Bus: UART
[00:18] <webchat93>         BD Address: E4:5F:01:CB:E0:01  ACL MTU: 1021:8  SCO MTU: 64:1
[00:18] <webchat93>         UP RUNNING
[00:18] <webchat93>         RX bytes:381890 acl:154 sco:0 events:44255 errors:0
[00:18] <webchat93>         TX bytes:76956188 acl:86824 sco:0 commands:371 errors:0
[00:18] <webchat93>         Features: 0xbf 0xfe 0xcf 0xfe 0xdb 0xff 0x7b 0x87
[00:23] <arraybolt3> webchat93: We missed most of that due to a flood-prevention bot. Can you use a service like http://bpa.st so you can share a link with us that has the info?
[00:24] <webchat93> oh, I did not notice this. here is the link to the hciconfig output https://bpa.st/5TQQ
[00:25] <webchat93> the kernel is 5.10.92-v7l
[00:25] <webchat93> I am using a Raspberry Pi 4B
[00:26] <webchat93> I tried another Pi with kernel 5.15.0-1017-raspi, Ubuntu 22.04, same issue
[01:09] <jj_> What are some reasons you guys chose Ubuntu over some other distros like Mint, Pop OS or Manjaro?
[01:10] <Bashing-om> jj_: Support community and documentation.
[01:11] <jj_> Seems like a good reason honestly
[01:12] <mihajlok> hello
[01:12] <Bashing-om> jj_: Not to mention that ubuntu just works™ :D
[01:12] <mihajlok> hello guys, can someone explain this thing here to me?
[01:12] <Bashing-om> mihajlok: Hello - welcome to ubuntu support.
[01:13] <mihajlok> Not really sure what Quassel IRC is to be qquite frank
[01:14] <Bashing-om> mihajlok: As a starting place to learn ; in terminal run ' apt show quassel ' .
[01:19] <mihajlok> Thanks a bunch...Why do you use this chatting client?? Isn't Discord or Reddit a much better option for example?
[01:19] <mihajlok> Discord only maybe...Reddit aint really a chatting client
[01:20] <mihajlok> Graphical interface on this IRC "thing", looks pretty outdated...I dont know, i don't enjoy the experience that much
[01:20] <Bashing-om> mihajlok: Well - it linux >> Lots of choices - I use irssi as my IRC client.
[01:20] <mihajlok> just objectively speaking
[01:20] <mihajlok> I can not send any pictures, i am on Lubuntu tho
[01:21] <mihajlok> Maybe that is the reason i dont understand this chatting client
[01:21] <mihajlok> ?
[01:21] <mihajlok> Telegram and Discord...These are the most similar ones i can think of
[01:22] <Bashing-om> mihajlok: There is a learning curve, admittely - for images we use a pastebin service.
[01:22] <mihajlok> yeah, that makes sense
[01:23] <mihajlok> Dont tell me that you use Terminal as you interface?
[01:23] <mihajlok> I am a Linux begginer
[01:23] <mihajlok> 20 years old
[01:23] <mihajlok> Xubuntu is my favourite distro...Linux is incredible
[01:24] <mihajlok> becoming addicted i think
[01:24] <Bashing-om> mihajlok: You guessed it - the power of linux is revealed within the terminal :P
[01:24] <mihajlok> And how do i reply to messages here? Right click does not bring any options
[01:25] <mihajlok> Bashing-om: Like this maybe?
[01:25] <mihajlok> can you show me how to use terminal as my interface?
[01:26] <jj_> I actually have no idea how to respond to someone either
[01:26] <Bashing-om> mihajlok: Well - my experince is limited to irssi (irc client) running in terminal.
[01:27] <Bashing-om> !tab | jj_
[01:27] <mihajlok> hello fellow Linux user! I am a total begginer here, so i am pretty insecure...I was a sports person in my teenage years, and i was in medicine before, 2 meters tall guy....Being in front of a computer and talking to random people is really new to me
[01:27] <mihajlok> i enjoy it tho
[01:28] <mihajlok> Bashing-om: tab works...I see
[01:28] <leftyfb> !chat | mihajlok
[01:28] <noarb> is there such thing as a filesystem with symlinks that can be used on both mac and linux that can be encrypted with veracrypt? I have a 4GB usb drive I'd like to use for very static files, but can't seem to figure it out with symlinks
[01:28] <jj_> !tab | Bashing-om Thanks!
[01:29] <Bashing-om> mihajlok: Here is strictly support - for general conversation we have the #ubuntu-discuss channel :D
[01:29] <jj_> Bashing-om, Got it.
[01:30] <mihajlok> Sorry...I wont bother about general stuff anymore, randomly found you guys...I will certainly need some help as well, so until then. See ya guys!!! have a nice day, really glad i found this
[01:30] <Bashing-om> mihajlok: Most welcome - enjoy the ride !
[01:31] <leftyfb> noarb: you asked this same question 6 months ago. Veracrypt is not officially supported on ubuntu
[01:33] <noarb> leftyfb: sorry about that, I don't remember getting a specific answer. Is there another tool other than veracrypt that is officially supported?
[01:34] <arraybolt3> noarb: LUKS.
[01:34] <arraybolt3> Oh wait, I see your question, hold on...
[01:35] <noarb> What about without encryption? Is there a filesystem with symlinks like I described?
[01:36] <noarb> Whether veracrypt is officially supported or not, it does encrypt the block device and works just fine across the OSes. I just don't know about a fs that supports symlinks on both
[01:37] <arraybolt3> noarb: Does the Mac have to support the fs natively?
[01:38] <arraybolt3> If so, you may be out of luck. If not, https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/29842/how-can-i-mount-an-ext4-file-system-on-os-x
[01:38] <arraybolt3> Then just use ext4.
[01:41] <arraybolt3> Or you could shell out an arm and a leg for an NTFS drive for macOS and then have compatibility with Windows too, then just use NTFS.
[01:42] <arraybolt3> I don't know if Paragon's NTFS driver will support symlinks though.
[01:44] <noarb> arraybolt3: thanks for the info. ext4 would be ideal, I didn't know it was available
[02:30] <thyri> Is there a way to preserve the boot splash to lxdm or at least get the position of the boot splash image to manufacture my own background so it fits perfectly?
[04:50] <gebbione> Can someone suggest what to do ? https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/703862
[06:54] <Sircle> `sensors` Which part is the cpu temperature? If not, how can I know my CPU (processor) temperature temperature? https://termbin.com/wc6x
[07:36] <tarel2> Ubuntu on the pi 400 seems bugy has anyone else seen this?
[07:58] <biapy> Hi, what is the recommended filesystem for an external USB HDD to maximize portability with modern systems ?
[08:03] <tarel2> I dd ntfs
[08:03] <tarel2> I can say Linux and openbsd saw it , Not android and well, I sure windows well, can't say for mac
[08:05] <biapy> tarel2: that was my first intuition, but this link https://askubuntu.com/questions/232208/what-kind-of-filesystem-do-you-recommend-for-usb-flash-drive says UDF (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Disk_Format#Compatibility )
[08:07] <tarel2> If you have a network for the computers ssh all the way scp
[08:07] <tarel2> I transfer stuff all the time and file system are such  a pain.
[08:07] <tarel2> I have a pine phone pro and I use SSH to get files to my pi like that all the time.
[08:07] <biapy> tarel2: for a network , moosefs or glusterfs XD
[08:08] <tarel2> One of the file mangers I had for pi os had ssh built into it
[08:08] <tarel2> It was nice
[08:08] <tarel2> I use NTFS all the time , and I have no  problems
[08:09] <biapy> ok, thank you
[08:09] <tarel2> But I'm telling you ssh is nice
[08:10] <biapy> tarel2: yes, so is seafile :)
[08:10] <tarel2> Yes, I think
[08:11] <tarel2> I transfer moves in the rang of 2 tb and it like 5 minutes tops
[08:11] <tarel2> fat32 has a file limit of 4 gb so a bit movie will not work
[08:12] <biapy> tarel2: it's for a storage use, not a copy use :)
[08:12] <tarel2> I use my thumb drives and sd card for both
[08:13] <tarel2> I'm all mobile so I don't have normal ssd drives in my system
[08:23] <cwel> elo
[08:23] <cwel> jebac zydow
[08:24] <cwel> pascal ty kurwo jebana przestan mi rodzine przesladowac
[08:25] <respawn> cwel: stop it
[08:25] <cwel> dont call me cwel cwelu
[08:25] <respawn> cwel: Witamy, to jest kanał ubuntu, jeśli potrzebujesz pomocy, zapytaj tutaj
[08:26] <respawn> cwel: witamy, to jest kanał pomocy ubuntu, jeśli potrzebujesz pomocy, zapytaj tutaj
[08:26] <respawn> cwel: na ogólny czat przejdź do #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:05] <tarel2> How do you find what device your current os  your running is on?
[10:12] <Rojo40> tarel2 you mean on what disk partition your OS is installed?
[10:26] <EriC^^> tarel253: 'df /'  should show the partition
[10:31] <Rojo40> EriC^^ do you use or know about xfce desktop?
[10:32] <EriC^^> nope i dont use it, feel free to ask the channel if someone knows they'll reply
[10:34] <Rojo40> I want to know how to uninstall ALL the panels from desktop and avoid them to load at reboot
[10:35] <cheng> hello?
[10:35] <EriC^^> !ask | cheng
[10:35] <Rojo40> hi
[10:36] <cheng> This is the first time I using the irc client
[10:36] <cheng> It there some tip for irc usage?
[10:36] <Rojo40> xfce4 dekstop by the way
[10:36] <Rojo40> thanks
[10:37] <Rojo40> cheng use dpaste.com instead of pasting long messges directly on the chat :)
[12:39] <ted-ious> Is there one weird trick to get the installer to let me mount the partition I want instead of it insisting on doing it?
[12:40] <ted-ious> It is convinced that my custom made ext4 partition is ext2 so when it tries to mount it it fails and won't let me proceed.
[12:41] <ted-ious> I thought there used to be a way to get advanced options in the installer so you could do useful things like change the reserved % and turn off the journal but maybe that was a different distro.
[12:43] <nteodosio> ted-ious, if you want to mount a partition I think you can always drop to a terminal (Ctrl+Alt+t).
[12:44] <ted-ious> But where do I mount it so the installer will let me go ahead?
[12:45] <ted-ious> I have a root terminal and I formatted the partition with the ext4 options I want but the installer won't proceed unless I let it do the formatting.
[12:45] <ted-ious> Otherwise I think it tries to mount my ext4 partition as ext2 which fails.
[12:46] <nteodosio> Isn't there a checkbox to disable formatting in the advanced partiotining?
[12:46] <oerheks> convinced that my custom made ext4 partition is ext2??
[12:46] <ted-ious> Yes but if I do that it fails to mount.
[12:47] <ted-ious> oerheks: Exactly.
[12:47] <ted-ious> I tried making the partition with parted and telling it it was ext4 but that doesn't actually get saved to the disk.
[12:47] <ted-ious> The next time you run it it thinks it's ext2 again.
[12:48] <oerheks> fix that first, so you don' t have to weird tricks
[12:48] <oerheks> reformat properly? stat ubuntu in live mode, with gui
[12:48] <ted-ious> Well I'm not sure it's possible.
[12:48] <ted-ious> oerheks: I am.
[12:48] <ted-ious> As far as I know parted doesn't save the filesystem type.
[12:49] <oerheks> use the disks tool in the gui
[12:49] <ted-ious> I've tried this with every combination of utility and setting and nothing convinces the installer that I have an ext4 partition that it should just use.
[12:49] <ted-ious> You mean the installer's gui?
[12:50] <oerheks> no, live-mode/gui
[12:50] <ted-ious> Which gui?
[12:50] <oerheks> ...
[12:51] <oerheks> just boot in live mode?
[12:51] <ted-ious> gparted doesn't let me do anything different from text mode parted.
[12:51] <oerheks> ; try ubuntu'  something
[12:51] <oerheks> oh, then your disk is toast
[12:51] <ted-ious> I tried it but it doesn't know how to permanently set the flag for ext4 either.
[12:51] <ted-ious> LOL
[12:52] <ted-ious> It's a virtual disk and I assure you it is not toast. :)
[12:52] <ted-ious> It's ok if you don't know the answer to this riddle.
[12:52] <oerheks> in live mode one can do a check too. it can repair too, maybe
[12:52] <ted-ious> Like fsck.ext4?
[12:53] <ted-ious> But it's a brand new filesystm so there's nothing that needs repairing.
[12:53] <ted-ious> The only thing that's different is I have the minimum space reduced and the journal turned off.
[12:53] <oerheks> then don't.
[12:53] <ted-ious> Don't what?
[12:55] <magnus1> hey! I have a weird problem with one of my ubuntu (18.04) servers. It's a quite powerful server (80 cpu cores, 380+ GB of RAM) and is usually very performant. However, sometimes it will go into a weird state where everything is _superslow_. It takes forever to perform simplest tasks, like run "apt install" (takes several minutes to install a tiny package). It remains in this state until I perform a
[12:55] <magnus1> reboot. I see no CPU load, everything is idle. There is plenty of RAM available (hundreds of gigabytes). I have found that writing to the disk is _extremely_ slow. If I run "dd if=/dev/zero of=/big.file bs=1024M count=10", i can see the file growing by KILObytes per second. Reading using hdparm -Tt however is just fine. So I'm looking for ways to determine what is the root cause of slow I/O on my
[12:55] <magnus1> ubuntu server. Any ideas?
[12:55] <magnus1> There are no error messages (like bad I/O etc) in the kernel log or syslog, in fact there are no errors at all. If I check the iDRAC interface (remote server interface), the everything in the system is healthy including the RAID array
[12:56] <ogra> magnus1, perhapy try #ubuntu-server ?
[12:56] <magnus1> thanks
[12:57] <x7upLime> is there some article on building libc on ubuntu?
[12:57] <ted-ious> magnus1: Do you have one big raid5 array for everything?
[12:58] <magnus1> ted-ious: yes, raid 5 using hardware raid card
[12:59] <ted-ious> magnus1: It's entirely possible that the idrac is ignoring or unaware of disk timeouts that are happening.
[12:59] <ogra> x7upLime, apt-get build-dep glibc; apt-get source -b glibc
[13:00] <ogra> perhaps you need to install build-essential first
[13:00] <ted-ious> When this is happening are the disk led's flashing like crazy or are they mostly quiet.
[13:00] <magnus1> ted-ious: i dont have physical access to the server right now, but i'll for sure check this out next time i visit the datacenter
[13:01] <magnus1> ted-ious: if they are flashing like crazy, what does that indicate? there is basically no I/O operation in the system ongoing
[13:02] <ted-ious> Before you do that you should find out how to get smart data and maybe even performance information on each drive.
[13:02] <ted-ious> Well if they're not flashing much at all that would at least let you know that the drives aren't busy.
[13:03] <ted-ious> That could be because one or more drives are trying to relocate bad sectors which can make the drive appear "busy" to the raid controller.
[13:03] <ted-ious> Or one or more drives could be running a soft reset over and over for some reason.
[13:04] <ted-ious> There are a bunch of possible reasons that a drive might act very slowly.
[13:04] <ted-ious> Unfortunately a hardware raid controller is going to hide most of them from you unless you have a way of getting data out of it.
[13:04] <magnus1> yeah, but it's fine after reboot and can keep performing excellent for a month or even more until it happens again
[13:05] <ted-ious> Some dell servers will turn the green led orange on the front panel display if they are misbehaving.
[13:05] <ted-ious> That sounds like relocating bad sectors to me.
[13:05] <ted-ious> The green drive led's that is.
[13:09] <varaindemian> how can I debug the last messages on the blackscreen after I turn off ubuntu?
[13:10] <magnus1> ted-ious: ok great, i will check. thanks!
[13:23] <nteodosio> varaindemian, if that is after filesystems have been unmounted, you grab a camera and record the screen while it shuts down.
[13:34] <varaindemian> ah
[13:34] <varaindemian> :(
[13:34] <varaindemian> nteodosio: hold my bear
[13:34] <varaindemian> market*
[13:36] <ogra> isnt it a bit early for bears yet ?
[13:37] <osse> it's bear o'clock somewhere
[13:38] <nteodosio> Yeah, and I can't hold a bear, perhaps a cub.
[13:39] <ted-ious> That is a very dangerous idea. :)
[13:41] <ted-ious> So it looks like I have to make a choice between having a proper ext4 filesystem or running ubuntu.
[13:42] <ted-ious> I can't have both unless I do the installation and then back up the entire system somewhere and reformat the partition.
[13:42] <ted-ious> That seems like more trouble than it's worth.
[13:43] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:44] <varaindemian> nteodosio: so it's something about ACPI BIOS Error (bug)
[13:45] <nteodosio> varaindemian, in my experience most of those are innocuous, actually warnings. Do you actually experience misbehavior?
[13:47] <varaindemian> nteodosio: not it's just it take 1 min to shutdown..
[13:48] <nteodosio> varaindemian, 1 min total, or 1 min after you read that warning?
[13:48] <varaindemian> after I read that
[13:48] <nteodosio> And nothing else of relevance shows up after you read that?, I assume
[13:50] <varaindemian> could not resolve symbol
[13:53] <varaindemian> https://www.linux.org/threads/acpi-error-after-installing-ubuntu-22-04.40993/
[13:53] <varaindemian> trying this
[13:59] <varaindemian> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/oMxnB8a8
[13:59] <varaindemian> nteodosio:
[14:00] <ogra> Could not detach DM /dev/dm-0: Device or resource busy
[14:01] <ogra> this is your actual error that makes systemd wait til it timed out
[14:01] <varaindemian> hmm
[14:01] <ogra> assuming your rootfs is on that raid ?
[14:02] <varaindemian> ogra: yes
[14:04] <varaindemian> ogra: I initially see only the first tw message then it take 4 minutes to see  the ret of them
[14:06] <ogra> well, yeah, the ACPI errors are definitely also something you should inspect, but i dont think they cause the actual delay ... is your BIOS/UEFI on the latest version ?
[14:11] <RaimondRaj> error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.1.0.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[14:11] <RaimondRaj> error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.1.0.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[14:11] <tomreyn> !paste | RaimondRaj
[14:11] <RaimondRaj> can i anyone tell me why
[14:11] <SteelRose> varaindemian: I'd check if there's some firmware to be upgraded: fwupdmgr get-updates
[14:12] <leftyfb> RaimondRaj: what version of ubuntu? What are you trying to run? How did you get that error?
[14:12] <tomreyn> RaimondRaj: because libssl.so.1.0.0 was not found
[14:12] <RaimondRaj> hai tomreyn
[14:12] <RaimondRaj> yesterday we did
[14:12] <SteelRose> RaimondRaj: which binary are you running?
[14:12] <RaimondRaj> i try to start my unrealircd is show the error
[14:12] <SteelRose> ldd $(which unrealircd)
[14:12] <SteelRose> try that
[14:13] <SteelRose> RaimondRaj: and use dpaste.org or something to paste the output
[14:13] <varaindemian> SteelRose: Ubuntu 22.10
[14:13] <varaindemian> SteelRose: and then?
[14:13] <RaimondRaj> ldd $(which unrealircd) ??
[14:13] <leftyfb> RaimondRaj: you'll need to seek support from unrealirc. That is not a supported application and is not compatible with the version of ubuntu you are running
[14:14] <RaimondRaj> unrealircd-6.0.4.2
[14:14] <SteelRose> varaindemian: what's the outcome of the command I told you?
[14:14] <SteelRose> varaindemian: please, use dpaste.org
[14:14] <SteelRose> RaimondRaj: yep... as is
[14:15] <ravage> RaimondRaj: https://www.unrealircd.org/docs/Installing_from_source#Upgrading.3F -> Compiling
[14:15] <SteelRose> varaindemian: in my case, the latest upgrade, on 20.04 LTS though, killed the sound devices due to some ME Firmware errors... I fixed the issue by running: fwupdmgr reinstall  and reinstalled one by one
[14:16] <ravage> RaimondRaj: if you upgraded your Ubuntu you have to recompile it
[14:17] <RaimondRaj> ok ravage
[14:18] <RaimondRaj> re compile
[14:18] <RaimondRaj> oh god
[14:26] <varaindemian> SteelRose: upgrading everything
[14:27] <varaindemian> Wait a sec
[14:29] <SteelRose> varaindemian: good luck
[14:40] <x7upLime> after almost an hour of libc compilation it failed.. so annoying.
[14:41] <x7upLime> I only peeked inside the dpkg building process and its huuuge..
[14:42] <x7upLime> I figured in the end we get to the debian/rules.d/build.mk
[14:42] <x7upLime> Is there a simple way to add a "bear -- make -jn" without modifying the debian makefile?
[14:44] <varaindemian> SteelRose: same errors and same waiting time after update
[14:49] <SteelRose> varaindemian: did you reboot?
[14:50] <varaindemian> yes
[14:51] <SteelRose> varaindemian: then I don't know ... sorry
[15:16] <pickanick> Ubuntu 22.04: it is a problem to "apt install firefox" if snap firefox remains installed? Is it a problem to use both simultaneously?
[15:17] <leftyfb> pickanick: apt install firefox won't do anything for you
[15:18] <leftyfb> it's a transition package that just installs the snap. You don't need it on a default install of ubuntu
[15:18] <ogra> te deb still does a few things ... i.e. update-alternatives x-www-browser for example
[15:18] <pickanick> How do I view the LibreOffice help?
[15:18] <pickanick> The snap firefox cannot access the help pages
[15:19] <ogra> IIRC there is an open bug about that
[15:20] <pickanick> Is it that snap by definition cannot be allowed to access the help pages?
[15:20] <ogra> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1951210
[15:20] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1951210 in snapd (Ubuntu Jammy) "libreoffice help doesn't open in firefox (404 error on file:///tmp/lu417531j7po.tmp/NewHelp0.html)" [Critical, Confirmed]
[15:20] <ogra> it is in progess
[15:21] <ogra> (the snapd in the edge channel has the fix already)
[15:22] <ogra> pickanick, no, it is just a bug
[15:22] <ogra> but thanks to snaps being rollin applications the fix will just appear eventually
[15:23] <pickanick> so what's the recommended way to install non-snap firefox ... or other browser?
[15:24] <leftyfb> pickanick: it's not recommended
[15:25] <ogra> just wait or switc to the edge channel if you are adventurous enough
[15:25] <oerheks> the firefox ppa is way behind  https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=jammy
[15:26] <ogra> yeah, dont use that ... you'll always browse with a vulnerable browser
[15:26] <oerheks> install the flatpak?
[15:26] <ogra> if you tust it ...
[15:27] <ogra> *trust
[15:27] <oerheks> i like snaps.
[15:28] <pickanick> Sometimes it seems like technology is progressing inexorably towards unreliability
[15:35] <ogra> pickanick, well, progress in software means introducing new bugs too ... you have just hit one and that is obviously already fixed, it has just not run through the whole QA cycle yet to be n a stable release channel (but you can use it from other channels)
[15:37] <oerheks> fall back to firefox ESR then..
[15:37] <pickanick> ESR by what means?
[15:39] <oerheks> stable.
[15:41] <pickanick> um, I'm kinda new around these parts, although I'm old enough to remember when help popped up at the press of a key. Is stable a snap or with apt?
[15:42] <pickanick> You don't mean PPA, so not this https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/03/install-firefox-esr-ubuntu/
[15:45] <pickanick> Ah I've found a workaround by copying the help files into my home directory and clicking around until all the needed CSS gets loaded.  Still it would be nice to know how to use ESR
[15:46] <pickanick> CSS = {CSS, Javascript, ???}
[15:49] <pickanick> or is the PPA a recommended option for ESR?
[15:58] <esv> hello folks, is there an easy way to copy the apparmor attributes of one directory to another ?
[16:03] <tomreyn> pickanick: https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa provides firefox and firefox-esr debs for multiple ubuntu releases
[16:04] <esv> found something
[16:06] <tomreyn> pickanick: the recommended option is the snap package
[16:07] <ogra> there is an esr snap channel FWIW
[16:08] <ogra> $ snap info firefox|grep esr/stable
[16:08] <ogra>   esr/stable:       102.5.0esr-1 2022-11-15 (2077) 183MB -
[16:09] <ogra> (and as with all snaps you can install the normal firefox snap and one from the esr channel in prallel)
[16:09] <leftyfb> ogra: does that still have the help page bug? :)
[16:09] <ogra> the help page bug is a big in snapd apparently 🙂
[16:09] <ogra> s/big/bug/
[16:10] <ogra> (at least according to the bugreport above)
[16:52] <jhutchins> I'm sure all these different versions of applications like Firefox mean that a bug can always find a release to call home.
[16:59] <pickanick> tomreyn, ogra leftyfb: thank you
[17:22] <jysd> Hi I have an issue with my efi partition. update-initramfs is failing every time with "no space left on device /boot/efi" and I also get a notification that efi is full with only 1kB disk space remaining. I've checked over and over, du -sh /boot/efi says only 188M when the full dev/sda1 partition it's mounted on is 500+Mb. Everybody else who has
[17:22] <jysd> this problem just seems to actually have a full efi partition. Why would my system think it's full at only 200M?
[17:26] <jhutchins> jysd: What is it that reports 500+MB?
[17:27] <jysd> jhutchins: The gnome disk tool says the the size of the mounted /dev/sda1 efi partition is 536MB
[17:29] <alkisg> jysd: (sudo lsblk --fs; df -h ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:32] <jhutchins> jysd: I would trust the console tools far more than a GUI wrapper.
[17:33] <jhutchins> You should be able to explore the partition by using du to find out where the space is being used.  (I usually use du -sh)
[17:33] <jhutchins> jysd: How many kernels do you have installed?
[17:33] <bougyman> `durep` does an excellent job of aggregating that in an easy to view way
[17:33] <leftyfb> ncdu
[17:33] <bougyman> it's like a recursive du -sch
[17:33] <jhutchins> Plenty of options.
[17:36] <jysd> I've got an old ubuntu install, windows and refind in /boot/efi/EFI
[17:37] <jysd> But yeah exploring with du just reports a total of 188M
[17:39] <jhutchins> jysd: The capacity is for the whole partition, not a sub-directory.  I asked about the number of kernels because accumulated kernel files are frequently what fills up a /boot partition.
[17:40] <jhutchins> Tools that only show you the space you want to see aren't much use here, you need to see how much space is actually there, and what's taking up that space.
[17:41] <jhutchins> jysd: Where is /dev/sda1 mounted?
[17:42] <jhutchins> (I sure hope you're running these tools as root.)
[17:47] <jysd> Yes all as root, parted --list shows the boot flagged partition as being 536MB and fdisk -l /dev/sda1 says 511MiB
[17:48] <jhutchins> jysd: So you have the space, but you still need to figure out what's using it up.
[17:48] <jhutchins> So far you appear to have found only 188M, there's more out there.
[17:55] <jysd> Is there some safe way I can remove and reinstall the current kernel, the kernel that it's trying to install every time is 6.0.6-76060006-generic which the exact one returned by uname -r which seems pretty weird
[17:56] <grbrigsted> Hi. After a recent kernel update, the displays on my Thunderbolt dock stopped working. Keyboard and mouse is still working. If I boot into a previous kernel, they work again. Is there something I forgot to do?
[18:04] <grbrigsted> Anyone?
[18:07] <pickanick> grbrigsted: I am not an expert, but perhaps the new kernel has a bug, and ... bah humbug
[18:11] <Guest42> so like uhh
[18:11] <Guest42> is Rustdesk secure and private?
[18:11] <Guest42> it asks me to use their server
[18:12] <Guest42> do their server see what i share on screen
[18:12] <leftyfb> Guest42: you'll have to contact Rustdesk for support with their application. It's not supported here
[18:12] <Guest42> o ok my bad sorry
[18:13] <Guest42> i am using ubuntu and it was for ubuntu so i thought it would be known here
[18:32] <setham> Hello, I installed Ubuntu 22.04 on an old laptop, and when trying to use third party drivers I am having some probles with the secure boot
[18:33] <setham> When I boot I got a tiny blue square that I think is the prompt to register the driver, but I cannot follow theinstructions
[18:34] <leftyfb> setham: disable secure boot
[18:37] <setham> Yes, when I disable it it works, I just want to try/learn to fix the issue
[18:37] <setham> Uf it helps is a Sony VAio SVE14A290X with Intel® HD Graphics 40006 and an AMD Radeon HD 7550M
[18:38] <setham> Thanks in advance for any help
[18:47] <grriz__> dont think the iso will run with secure boot since the iso isnt signed. there are 3rd part tools, that act as a wrapper / loader, that will append a cert to the is.
[18:48] <grriz__> *iso
[18:49] <leftyfb> grriz__: that is not true
[18:49] <grriz__> hmm,
[18:49] <oerheks> grriz__, his issue is the drivers not signed,
[18:50] <grriz__> ah I see
[18:50] <grriz__> reading helps
[18:52] <grriz__> so they get passed the initial boot, and is add ing in the drivers.
[18:52] <grriz__> thought they were stuck trying to get the iso to load..
[18:56] <setham> @grriz__ I already installed and configured Ubuntu, and it is working without issues, with Secure Boot disable
[18:56] <grriz__> gotcha, grats
[18:56] <setham> But for the sake of learning, I am trying to make it work with the Secure Boot ON
[18:57] <setham> But when I boot, I get, sometimes, a tiny blue square in the left corner
[18:57] <grriz__> understood
[18:58] <setham> which I am sure is prompt to register the drivers withthe password I already entered
[18:59] <setham> So I am asking if there s a way to address this, a workaround I can use
[18:59] <setham> I never get the full blue screen after booting or any menu, just straight to booting
[19:00] <grriz__> geez,
[19:00] <setham> I verified that is booting with the shim partition, and added a delay of 10 seconds just in case
[19:01] <grriz__> yeah I havent ran into that issue. currently trying to solve a wifi driver issue myself.
[19:02] <setham> Thanks. i will stay around for a bit in case someone has had this issue.
[19:02] <grriz__> sorry, i gots no real work around. ive been trying to force drivers to install via modporbe
[19:02] <setham> I found this workaround :
[19:02] <setham> Manual method
[19:02] <setham> You may also opt to sign modules yourself. To make this simple, you can use the command:
[19:02] <setham> sudo update-secureboot-policy --new-key
[19:02] <setham> To create a new MOK key to use for signing, then run the appropriate kmodsign command to sign your kernel module. After the module is signed, run sudo update-secureboot-policy --enroll-key to step through the enrollment wizard, or do the enrollment yourself by running sudo mokutil --import <your key>
[19:02] <grriz__> possibly doing it all wrong lol.
[19:03] <setham> But before trying this I will see. Something I am going to do tonight is to connect it to an external monitor, to see if it makes a difference
[19:04] <grriz__> ah ok,
[19:04] <jhutchins> Let's create a barrier to using your own computer, then find ways to get around the barrier.
[19:04] <grriz__> cool.
[19:30] <other_rick> Hello,  libgdk-pixbuf-2.0-0 on folcal has a memory leak on the gif animation iterator, that issue has been resolved on 2.42.2+dfsg-1. Does Focal have a PPA repository with that version?
[19:42] <jhutchins> other_rick: I wouldn't expect a PPA to be devoted to one library, what larger project is it associated with?
[19:45] <jhutchins> !info libgdk-pixbuff
[19:45] <jhutchins> !info libgdk-pixbuff2
[19:45] <jhutchins> !info libgdk-pixbuff-2
[19:46] <tomreyn> single F
[19:47] <jhutchins> tomreyn: Care to contribute a link?
[19:48] <leftyfb> other_rick: libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 is on verion 2.40.0+dfsg-3ubuntu0.4 in focal
[19:49] <leftyfb> other_rick: got a link to the bug?
[19:51] <leftyfb> this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdk-pixbuf/+bug/1996946
[19:51] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1996946 in gdk-pixbuf (Ubuntu) "Memory leak on every frame when reading GIF animations" [Undecided, New]
[19:51] <tomreyn> jhutchins: i only noted that you spelled "pixbuff" rather than "pixbuf"
[19:52] <leftyfb> other_rick: the idea would be to get the devs to apply the patch to libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0
[19:54] <jhutchins> That or package the newer version for the LTS release, if possible.
[20:27] <TR2990WX> no much going on here. Ubuntu desktop is dead?
[20:31] <peacefulman> I don't think Ubuntu is dead. Best desktop for non-free/propietary hardware/software!
[20:32] <peacefulman> I have broadcom wireless that's crap on pretty much any other distro.
[20:32] <peacefulman> Except Ubuntu and Ubuntu derivatives
[20:33] <peacefulman> Plus the huge amount of software available/imported from Debian.
[20:39] <jhutchins> peacefulman: You seem to be having an argument with someone who's not here.
[21:20] <galegovski> I have some problem in upgrading my ubuntu 22.04 LTS.
[21:20] <galegovski> A few weeks ago several packages are updated, but 2 are not updated. There is always a warning that these packages will remain in the current version. The packages are grub-efi-amd64-bin grub-efi-amd64-signed. How do I update them?
[21:31] <galegovski> I found the solution. https://askubuntu.com/search?tab=newest&q=grub-efi-amd64-bin
[21:32] <rcbcwqwsl> c  galegovski: Are you sure the current EFI partition is available? Grub-efi typically tries to refresh the loader on that partition.
[21:35] <tomreyn> galegovski: which of the articles listed on the page you linked does seem to provide the solution you were looking for?
[21:39] <galegovski> tomreyn https://askubuntu.com/questions/894264/unable-to-upgrade-grub-efi-amd64-signed/1438073#1438073
[21:39] <galegovski> The solution is to run: sudo apt install --only-upgrade grub-efi-amd64-bin
[21:41] <galegovski> rcbcwqwsl Yes, it's available. It already worked. It was really an error related to package dependencies.
[21:52] <tomreyn> !phasedupdates | galegovski
[21:52] <tomreyn> i'm not sure it's what you encountered there, but it can be
[21:56] <Sven_vB> hi :) can someone recommend a font that ships with Ubuntu focal and is still legible at really tiny size? I only have a few pixels to fit my text into. or should I render it with a figlet font, screenshot it and scale that down?
[21:56] <galegovski> It wasn't the solution I found, but I believe it makes sense to be related to phased updates.
[21:59] <galegovski> Many thanks to both of you for your support. tomreyn and rcbcwqwsl
[22:01] <Tiber> what should i modify to run ubuntu sata mode as enhanced? if i change that mode there is no bootable devices
[22:22] <mybalzitch> how do I assign a modifier that uses CTRL in gnome-terminal ? I try ctrl+tab for next window, and it just barks an error
[22:27] <mearvk> howdy boys
[22:27] <mearvk> who can help me with the thunderbird setup
[22:27] <mearvk> i have so many problems
[22:27] <mearvk> im new!
[22:27] <mearvk> can you guys help?
[22:28] <BarnabasDK> jep
[22:28] <BarnabasDK> describe the prob
[22:28] <dman777> I see [   19.961691] FAT-fs (sda1): Volume was not properly unmounted. Some data may be corrupt. Please run fsck. but that is mounted as /boot/efi. When I run tune2fs -l /dev/sda1 I get  Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda1. Why is that?
[22:30] <ravage> Why would you run tune2fs instead of fsck and why on a fat filesystem?
[22:30] <BarnabasDK> dman777, dying disk affecting your efi boot sector
[22:30] <BarnabasDK> also ravage +1
[22:33] <{master-max}> can anyone help me with thunderchicken?