[01:19] <daftykins> well my pal's Zen fibre just got upgraded today
[01:19] <daftykins> https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/bfe8c3c1-0ed7-4d35-960f-51770a0dfd34
[01:19] <daftykins> one quick tweak to pfSense and i'm seeing full speed
[01:21] <diddledani> yowza
[01:33] <penguin42> daftykins: Not bad!
[01:34] <penguin42> diddledani: How you cookin'?
[01:34] <penguin42> daftykins: I'm surprised for fibre it's so asymmetric
[01:34] <daftykins> it's because of that GPON thing i linked a while back
[01:34] <daftykins> you only get a slice of what reaches a neighbourhood
[01:35] <penguin42> ah
[01:36] <daftykins> makes me wonder how far and wide a given slice reaches though, he told me he won't tell anyone on his neighbourhood watch type online group to get FTTH in fear of it influencing his service xD
[01:37] <penguin42> oh it's terrible mate, dont touch it, especially when I'm using it...
[01:37] <daftykins> :D
[01:38] <daftykins> "stick to your virgin media, it's the only game in town, honest"
[01:44] <diddledani> there we go. I'm now running thelounge instead of paying for irccloud <3
[01:45] <daftykins> think a pal took that for a spin
[01:45] <diddledani> I've also dropped my old liberachat account and reregistered because the old one was on my deadname
[01:46] <daftykins> sounds like a Friday night of progress!
[01:47] <penguin42> speedtest is showing me 92.5/20.91 now on my virgin; it makes me wonder if something somewhere is on 100mb - but I thought I was on gig everywhere
[01:49] <daftykins> ooh time for some 2am sleuthing!
[01:49] <daftykins> :D
[01:51] <penguin42> hmm no, I must finish my reading of the solar quote I've got
[01:52] <daftykins> ooh
[01:52] <penguin42> it's hard being a geek; I've spent hours reading it, following links, checking out the home asistant stuff for the quoted inverter, reading the patent for the optimiser
[01:52] <daftykins> i had a totally out of the blue call from an elderly couple client earlier this week, she had me talk to a solar installer who was trying to get their equipment online
[01:53] <daftykins> they have a large property with other structures off from the main house so i had no idea where he'd even put anything
[01:53] <penguin42> it looks like some have ether, but most are wifi
[01:53] <daftykins> are they using micro-inverters on each panel so that one getting obscured by even something as small as a pole shadow doesn't take the whole array down?
[01:53] <penguin42> some have Lora!
[01:54] <daftykins> i was shocked when i learnt that that can happen, saw it on Dave Jones youtube - (EEVBlog)
[01:54] <penguin42> daftykins: Their suggestion is to use something inbetween by a company called TIGO; TS4-O
[01:54] <penguin42> daftykins: you still end up with DC from theroof; but they upconvert to a single DC bus voltage
[01:55] <penguin42> the problem is, anything like that is going to nuke my dads amateur radio
[01:55] <daftykins> interesting
[01:55] <daftykins> ooh that would be awkward
[01:56] <penguin42> so, no optimisers thanks
[01:56] <penguin42> even though the most likely form of shade is his aerial tower !)
[01:56] <penguin42> the bigger problem we really have is an awkwardly shaped roof
[01:56] <daftykins> that installer guy said something to me about trying some TP-Link booster crap, i said lol please don't put junk in, i only just put in a Ubiquiti system recently
[01:56] <penguin42> well most of them do modbus over rs485 as well if you look closely enough :-)
[01:57] <daftykins> he just asked me if there was cabling to anywhere close, i said yes but in use with an old phone system so he'd have to run something new, then he gave up and thanked me - heh
[01:58]  * penguin42 is a bit surprised the quotes he has are not higher, but as I say we're limited in the number of panels we can fit on the south side
[01:59] <daftykins> so, is there really sun up north? ;)
[01:59] <penguin42> less
[02:00] <penguin42> I mean, less enough to make it questionable depending on the spec
[02:00] <penguin42> Manchester seems doable
[02:00] <daftykins> nifty stuff
[02:02] <penguin42> I've got a quote for about £4k that might pay itself back in 3.5 years
[02:12] <penguin42> that's without battery; with battery the quote is about 9.5k and is currently taking longer to pay back
[02:13] <daftykins> ah of course, that makes sense
[02:14] <penguin42> well, maybe - I mean the battery lets you actually use more of the captured energy, where as at best you get less doing export charges; so it's not impossible that it might pay back in similar times - but the batteries are expensive
[02:15] <daftykins> i wonder what operating life people tend to get out of battery storage
[02:16] <penguin42> so far, in cars they seem to have worked out better than expected
[02:19] <daftykins> i had best hit the hay, going to put a new outdoor phone line in at a client's tomorrow to redirect it into the new network cabinet :D
[02:19] <daftykins> g'night all \o
[02:23] <penguin42> daftykins: I mean the battery pack one company is selling is listing a design life of 15+ years and they're quoting the savings over 25 years!
[02:38] <davef> Cheers! 🍻 greetings from a pub in Montreal 
[20:07] <daftykins> penguin42: impressive battery life :D
[20:08] <daftykins> well, 25 would be a nice minimum expectation really
[20:26]  * zxmpi wonders can i connect my psion using lithium batteries to my nokia 3310 to irc... :-P
[20:46] <daftykins> ran out of daylight in the end attempting to put a new phone line cable to join from the outdoor one at a clients today
[20:46] <daftykins> at least it's in place, just been doing some 'homework' to refresh my memory on which colours denote the exterior line, white and orange is the answer!
[20:53] <penguin42> there's some consistency?
[20:54] <zxmpi> you're supposed to get a cable with all wires the same colour for the next guy :-P
[20:55] <daftykins> weeeeell, nope xD there are too many joins there and they kept changing colour
[20:56] <daftykins> once i'm done it'll be white and orange straight through from the ground to the filtered master, then the conventional blue and white with blue to sockets
[20:56] <daftykins> also the spider i found in the join box outside says hi - https://i.imgur.com/f30vx3H.jpg
[20:56] <daftykins> i may have evicted it
[21:05] <penguin42> oh yes, you wouldn't want it spying on your data
[21:06] <daftykins> there's only room for one web, buddy!
[21:08] <zxmpi> pity, you never know when you'll need a pro web developer next
[21:11] <daftykins> i no longer know a trustworthy one with diddledani out of the game :(
[21:21] <penguin42> daftykins: I know a pro php one if you need one
[21:22] <daftykins> hmm nah, no active tasks at the moment thankfully!
[21:26] <davef> Not totally shocking, courier couldn't deliver a package of two iPads (presents for the kids)
[21:26] <davef> Probably already stolen
[21:27] <daftykins> D: