[00:20] <mybalzitch> so whats a good alternative to konsole
[00:30] <mybalzitch> why does my gnome seem to open all new windows, etc. in the top left of the screen, instead of the centre or close to where the mouse pointer is
[00:31] <jhutchins> Gnome knows what's best for you.
[00:32] <mybalzitch> knows I need that exercise grabbing windows from the furthest possible position
[00:33] <ArtfulDodger> Hey! I'm running Jelly on a VM (Proxmox) and for some reason linux-image-virtual (5.15) does not match the current kernel (5.10) nor Grub as a menuentry for 5.10. I don't understand why 5.10 is used instead of 5.15.
[00:34] <jhutchins> ArtfulDodger: Did you run a normal installer on the VM, or did you use a pre-installed image?
[00:35] <ArtfulDodger> jhutchins, I can't say because the OS was preinstalled for me
[00:35] <ArtfulDodger> how can I check?
[00:35] <jhutchins> That's ... pretty much where you need to go with questions about it then.
[00:36] <jhutchins> ArtfulDodger: It sounds like an image build, that's how large-scale builders do things.
[00:38] <ArtfulDodger> Does it mean that I can't upgrade the kernel by myself without their help, jhutchins?
[00:38] <ArtfulDodger> (from the people who made the install)
[00:40] <jhutchins> ArtfulDodger: I wouldn't if you depend on the machine for anything.  They often customize kernel-level portions of the OS.
[00:40] <ravage> ArtfulDodger: and it is a VM not a container?
[00:41] <jhutchins> Then again, sometimes they offer newer kernels with good reason.
[00:41] <ArtfulDodger> Yes a VM ravage
[00:41] <jhutchins> ravage: It appears to have it's own kernel, is that a clue?
[00:41] <ravage> run "cat /etc/apt/sources.list|nc termbin.com 9999" and paste the URL
[00:42] <ArtfulDodger> https://termbin.com/owqrv ravage
[00:43] <ravage> ok looks like someone did an upgrade. or at least tried
[00:43] <ArtfulDodger> ah because focal/jammy?
[00:43] <ravage> yes
[00:44] <ravage> run "sudo apt --reinstall install linux-image-virtual-hwe-22.04 linux-image-virtual"
[00:44] <tomreyn> cat /proc/cmdline    should tell you how the currently running kernel was booted. if the path the kernel was loaded from does not exist then you're more likely in a paravirtualized guest where the kernel is actually stored and loaded from the host.
[00:45] <ravage> proxmox ist not paravirtualized
[00:45] <ravage> *is
[00:45] <tomreyn> i think it used to support this, but it's a long time ago.
[00:45] <ArtfulDodger> root=/dev/xvda2 ro elevator=noop tomreyn
[00:46] <tomreyn> hmm, no kernel image specified
[00:47] <ArtfulDodger> And still 5.10 used after the reinstall ravage
[00:47] <ravage> what do you mean by used?
[00:47] <ravage> and what is the output?
[00:47] <ravage> paste it here
[00:47] <ravage> !paste
[00:49] <ArtfulDodger> https://dpaste.com/3WPTLA988 ravage
[00:49] <ArtfulDodger> used = in uname -r
[00:49] <ravage> you need to reboot
[00:50] <ArtfulDodger> yeah I did it
[00:50] <jhutchins> What's that strange evil laughter I hear in the background?
[00:50] <ravage> but there is no grub trigger which is really not normal
[00:51] <ravage> ArtfulDodger: install the package "virt-what" and paste the output of the command with the same name
[00:51] <tomreyn> are we sure this is proxmox and not xen + pvgrub?
[00:52] <ArtfulDodger> You're right xen xen_domU
[00:52] <ArtfulDodger> Aha sorry
[00:52] <ravage> then you cant use your own kernel
[00:53] <tomreyn> change hosting provider or product line
[00:54] <ArtfulDodger> Okay. Actually I'm fine with that version of the kernel but also want to install overlay2 for docker
[00:54] <ArtfulDodger> would that be possible with the current setup?
[00:54] <tomreyn> that's a kernel module, so no
[00:55] <ArtfulDodger> Ok I'll see with my provider
[00:55] <ArtfulDodger> thanks guys
[01:28] <cartdrige> Window 11 added Android app compatibility layout of the box it seems, do you think will see something like that on Ubuntu? like a package that once installed integrates android app compatibilty transparently on the desktop? being able to install things from f-droid or apk-pure eventually from the playstore also.
[01:30] <leftyfb> !ot | cartdrige
[01:31] <cartdrige> Right.
[01:45] <tripp4h> hmm, i'm having a problem, no sound of any playback. i tried killing pipewire and pipewire-pulse and doing 'systemctl --user --now enable pipewire pipewire-pulse' but it didn't have the desired effect. sometimes i have the same problem like when i try to play a video with sound on opera, it doesn't work but on firefox it works. the sound test in the settings works fine.
[01:46] <tripp4h> whoops, now i got it, this time there's something wrong with my sound settings. it doesn't find my dac.
[01:48] <tripp4h> hmm no. now some audio works but trying to play a file on vlc or mplayer there's no sound. soundcloud on firefox works.
[01:54] <tripp4h> hmm now it works. didn't do anything special, just loaded a video file a few times to vlc and then it suddenly started to work. maybe someone's playing with me.
[01:58] <cartdrige> You should check the application settings > sound output, there will be like 3 or 4 choices, pulse / alsa etc - try to match the one of firefox, or test them out to find the one that works.
[02:01] <tripp4h> cartdrige: where is that setting? checked settings/sound but it's not there. i'm running on ubuntu 22.10.
[02:02] <cartdrige> depends of the app, but in vlc: tool > preferences > audio > output module
[02:09] <tripp4h> btw, had similar problems with pulse-audio too, not a pipewire bug.
[02:22] <tripp4h> 'pactl info' says i'm back to pulse audio... wonder why
[04:34] <murep4> mine crpto on ubuntu?
[07:23] <RaimondRaj> E: Package 'libssl1.0.0' has no installation candidate
[07:24] <RaimondRaj> tomreyn
[07:24] <RaimondRaj> hai
[07:27] <cluelessperson> How do I install a single more recent package from newer ubuntu repos?
[07:27] <cluelessperson> Say gnupg  2.2.35
[07:27] <cluelessperson> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnupg2
[07:32] <cluelessperson> I can't generate gpg keys with gpg
[07:32] <cluelessperson> I just get "card error"
[08:35] <Sircle> Hi
[08:36] <Sircle> How can I stop using snap for chromium or firefox etc? If I use 'apt', it tells me to use snap. Is that normal?
[08:36] <Sircle> I heard apt packages are more stable
[08:40] <ThinkT510> for ubuntu forefox and chromium are only available officialy via snap packages
[09:31] <bobdobbs> Hi. I'm running Ubuntu 22.04. I've installed the video editor Davinci Resolve. And both the OS and the video editor work just fine. I can start the application by going to the gnome panel, clicking on "all applications", and filtering for it by starting to type it's name.
[09:31] <bobdobbs> It starts up and runs fine.
[09:31] <bobdobbs> But I don't know where it is installed, or what the command to start it is.
[09:31] <bobdobbs> I'd like to start it from the command line
[09:32] <bobdobbs> This is just because I want to find out more about the program, and I think that I'd learn some of it's properties, including where it loads it's assets from, if I can start it from terminal.
[09:35] <EriC^^> bobdobbs: try 'grep -iH davinci /usr/share/applications/*'
[09:36] <bobdobbs> ah, that's interesting
[09:36] <EriC^^> then type 'grep -i exec /usr/share/applications/nameyouget.desktop'
[09:36] <bobdobbs> thanks EriC^^
[09:36] <EriC^^> no problem
[09:43] <michal> hello, can U reccomend some
[09:43] <michal> time tracking app
[09:46] <michal> lighweight, reporting also overall project time, free of "buy me a coffee" price, it would be nice if there was a possibility of integration with some to-do system or task management. I am currently using a simple To-do from Microsoft, but I can switch to a google to-do or other trello or asana (this is not a prerequisite),
[09:46] <michal> it would be nice if there was a possibility of integration with some to-do system or task management. I am currently using a simple To-do from Microsoft, but I can switch to a google to-do or other trello or asana (this is not a prerequisite),
[09:46] <michal> it would be nice if it also detected inactivity 🙂
[11:17] <skybreez> I have a Bluetooth dongle. When I plugin it is not detected properly. I have to remove and insert multiple times for the dongle to be detected and appear in status bar. But when I do 'bluetooth off' it appears in status bar. If I do 'bluetooth on' it disappears.
[11:47] <Sircle> ThinkT510 why not via apt?
[11:58] <Diagon> I'm sure I've installed ubuntu at least a thousand times, and half of those the same way.  But with 22.04, I just keep either failing to install grub, and I crash the installer before I even get to that point.
[11:59] <Diagon> Some of this, at least, is UEFI stuff, but even turning that on isn't working.  Am I supposed to have secureboot on?  The TPM?
[11:59] <Diagon> This is a T530 Thinkpad, hardly the oldest of my machines.
[12:01] <tomreyn> Diagon: if the installer fails somehow before grub is installed, it's most often due to a badly written installer on the install media
[12:01] <tomreyn> so first of all make sure that that is written properly. there are ways to actually assure that the iso was properly downloaded, and properly written to the install media.
[12:02] <tomreyn> a graphical utility which can do both is balena etcher.
[12:02] <tomreyn> Diagon: generally, installations without secureboot are less complex and much less can go wrong, so your chances of having a successful installation are higher when it's off.
[12:03] <tomreyn> generally, i recommend upgrading the firmware (bios/uefi) of computers before installing,
[12:04] <tomreyn> (since this may provide fixes for firmware bugs)
[12:05] <tomreyn> having TPM on can be a good thing, and should not cause issues.
[12:07] <tomreyn> if you're wondering whether you should be booting in uefi or bios mode on systems supporting both modes, i'd recommend using whatever it is set to use after resetting the firmware to manufacturer defaults.
[12:10] <bittin-> got it now
[12:17] <Diagon> tomreyn - ok, you're right.  The checksum was wrong.  I'll try again, thanks.
[12:17] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[12:33] <Diagon> tomreyn - well, regardless I'm getting the same issue: "sorry, and error occured and it was not possible to install the bootlader at the specified location"
[12:34] <Diagon> I gave it /dev/sdd, which has a GPT, a bios-boot, an efi, and then the /boot partition.
[12:36] <Diagon> All I see in the terminal is "wrong number of args: mapdevfs <path>"
[12:36] <tomreyn> Diagon: what are you installing exactly?
[12:36] <Diagon> 22.04
[12:36] <Diagon> desktop
[12:37] <Diagon> thinkpad t530
[12:37] <Diagon> I have seen other complaints about this issue, but I couldn't clear up what might be a resolution.
[12:37] <tomreyn> are you using manual partitioning with pre-existing partitions and file systems?
[12:38] <Diagon> Yup.  Manual partitioning (LUKS >> btrfs)
[12:38] <tomreyn> my experience with btfrs is too limited to support this, chances are soemone else can.
[12:39] <Diagon> K.
[12:39] <Diagon> I've done this literally hundreds of times, but first time with 22.04.
[12:40] <xx> Diagon: why does it have a bios-boot partition?
[12:40] <tomreyn> one thing that you may need to know is that the desktop installer ignores where you asked the boot loader to be installed to, it just picks the first efi system partition it finds.
[12:40] <xx> you might have better luck doing a manual installation anyway
[12:40] <Diagon> xx - because it's got a GPT.
[12:40] <xx> Diagon: and the system doesn't have UEFI?
[12:41] <Diagon> It has both.  I prefer legacy BIOS.  Installer doesn't give me a choice.  tomreyn - I created an efi partition because I saw other people having trouble without it, so I thought it might be necessary.
[12:42] <xx> you really should be using UEFI
[12:42] <xx> without any CSM
[12:43] <tomreyn> Diagon: the choice between the installation modes is set by how the installer is booted.
[12:43] <Diagon> Ok, I set legacy first.  So I assume then it was booted that way.
[12:43] <Diagon> xx - don't like UEFI, and some time soon (TM) I'm going to put coreboot on this machine.
[12:44] <tomreyn> you don't need an ESP if you're BIOS booting, but i concur with xx in that this system is probably better booted in uefi mode.
[12:44] <Diagon> I never did before, up to 20.04.
[12:44] <xx> the ESP might help if they ever want to switch to UEFI booting without having to repartition the drive
[12:44] <Diagon> I'd rather keep it this way if i can.
[12:45] <Diagon> check.
[12:45] <xx> Diagon: legacy first or legacy only?
[12:45] <Diagon> legacy first.
[12:46] <xx> there really is a lot of mess in how manfufacturers implement CSM or any sort of autodetection of whether to boot uefi or bios
[12:46] <Diagon> I tried legacy only previously and got the same error; but that was with a bad checksum.
[12:46] <xx> and the ubuntu installer has a hard time with that, as does any other installer
[12:46] <Diagon> So I should do legacy only?
[12:46] <xx> yes, if you want to disable all uefi stuff
[12:46] <Diagon> ok.  Trying again ...
[12:47] <xx> unfortunately without a proper log of what grub is doing it's hard to say where it goes wrong
[12:47] <xx> also try disconnecting all other storage devices during installation
[12:47] <xx> (I notice you have all the way up to /dev/sdd)
[12:48] <Diagon> Never had a problem before.  Ubuntu was always ery smooth.
[12:48] <xx> personally I'd just learn how to debootstrap ubuntu onto a drive
[12:48] <Diagon> Ya, btrfs is raid1 and I put /boot on a usb
[12:49] <Diagon> I might do that....  I was thinking I need to learn that for my headless server.
[12:49] <xx> I'm almost certain the ubuntu installer can't handle that
[12:49] <Diagon> Well, it's done it before, but I tell you what.  I'll reformat as btrfs with a single drive.
[12:50] <xx> the installer changes with every release
[12:50] <xx> and features get removed if they think they are not being used enough
[12:51] <tomreyn> for more complex installation scenarios you may be better off with the server installer for now.
[12:53] <Diagon> OT, but I was trying to use that server installer to do an install over the network via SSH; but the password flies by on the console, so you can't do it!  You have to modify the installer .iso.  Nuts.
[12:53] <Diagon> But ok, deboostrap or at least the sever insaller may be my alternative.
[12:54] <xx> why doesn't ubuntu have the server installer on all the ISOs anyway
[12:54] <ogra> it will ... took a while to develop a graphical frontend for it
[12:55] <tomreyn> it's going to use subiquity for both server and desktop installer once the flutter frontend works
[12:55] <ogra> with luna the new one should become the default
[12:55] <ogra> there are canary images to test it too ...
[12:55] <tomreyn> ...but then that's been said for a couple years now
[12:56] <ogra> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/new-desktop-installer-preview-build/24765
[12:56] <ogra> well, i heard the plan is to have it as default in luna
[12:56] <tomreyn> well, i heard the plan was to have it as default in focal
[12:57] <ogra> haha, yeah,, but focal was LTS and it simply didnt land in the interim releases before
[12:58] <tomreyn> nor in those before jammy
[12:58] <ogra> next LTS will have the new installer and the new snap-store software app
[12:58] <ogra> at least thats the master plan
[12:58] <ogra> (there were some talks held at the summit, videos should be up soon)
[12:59] <tomreyn> the summit being prague?
[13:00] <tomreyn> oh right, it was publicly announced
[13:00] <ogra> yeah
[13:03] <tomreyn> 2024 is a bit to go, this could actually work, let's see.
[13:44] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:38] <mearvk> hi
[14:39] <mearvk> need help with thunderbird
[14:39] <mearvk> seems archaic
[14:39] <mearvk> maybe you can help!?
[14:39] <mearvk> 18F / AL
[14:50] <tomreyn> mearvk: you'll need to specify what exactly you need help with.
[14:50] <mearvk> uh the PAM password file in /etc/shadow is in yescrypt I think
[14:50] <mearvk> the thunderbird shows 'use encryption'
[14:51] <tomreyn> passwords you configure in thunderbird are unrelated to /etc/shadow
[14:51] <mearvk> i'll just be using the PAM set for emails and not vmail accouts
[14:52] <tomreyn> describe what yu are trying to do, how you are doing it, what you expect to happen as a result, what happens instead. provide error messages, commands you ran and outputs on dpaste.com, screenshots on imgur.com
[14:52] <mearvk> also thanks for the 'help
[14:53] <tomreyn> if you're following some tuorials, post a link, and most of all, discuss which ubuntu version you're using, which non default configurations of software.
[15:00] <mearvk> my cousin setup a server and it uses IMAP i think
[15:00] <mearvk> he's a big admin
[15:01] <mearvk> ubuntu 22.04 LTS
[15:02] <tomreyn> see my questions above, start with "describe what you are trying to do", then continue with the other questions.
[15:03] <granrojo> Does anuone know how to unistall ALL Xfce panels and avoid them to realod on boot on Xfce desktop, thanks!
[15:04] <mearvk> '
[15:05] <mearvk> the following website suggests that i am really close
[15:05] <mearvk> https://www.gmass.co/smtp-test
[15:05] <mearvk> can you see?
[15:05] <mearvk> this one ^
[15:05] <mearvk> george mason <3 <3
[15:06] <mearvk> so im really looking to get to know a senior engineer
[15:06] <mearvk> its my first year in college
[15:06] <mearvk> but this is hard work
[15:06] <mearvk> took me over two hours so far
[15:08] <mearvk> the exact use case is as follows:
[15:08] <mearvk> i have the SMTP/IMAP server running
[15:09] <mearvk> the login details are correct and we are able to verify (we are using PAM details and not vmail accounts)
[15:09] <mearvk> we attempt to login with SSL/TLS and the server times out
[15:10] <rob0> so then maybe the servers (IMAP and SMTP are separate software, even if on the same machine) do not support TLS.
[15:16] <mearvk> hi guys
[15:17] <mearvk> can send email
[15:25] <mearvk> in advanced settings
[15:25] <mearvk> i have /home/username/Maildir
[15:25] <mearvk> do i need to say Maildir
[15:25] <mearvk> or the whole thing
[15:25] <mearvk> god ive spilled my coffee
[15:25] <mearvk> > :: . :: <
[15:27] <oerheks> tomreyn asked what guide do you follow?
[15:27] <ArtfulDodger> Hey! I'm running Jammy with linux-image-5.10.0-19-amd64 that has module "overlay" but I would need "overlay2" for Docker. How do we install this driver?
[15:28] <oerheks> ArtfulDodger, weird, jammy comes with 5.15
[15:28] <ArtfulDodger> yes oerheks it's a VM on xen and xen provides 5.10
[15:29] <ArtfulDodger> I can't change that kernel for now, just need to work with it =)
[15:31] <oerheks> some guide .. https://bobcares.com/blog/docker-overlay2/
[15:31] <oerheks> i don't know
[15:32] <oerheks> why would zen give 5.10 ?
[15:33] <tomreyn> it'x xen with paravirtualization, the kernel is loaded from the host
[15:33] <tomreyn> we discussed this yesterday, and it ended up with this: https://dpaste.com/EABVEEBFP
[15:34] <oerheks> ArtfulDodger, so you got answer. no go.
[15:34] <tomreyn> ArtfulDodger: what was the result of "I'll see with my provider"?
[15:35] <mearvk> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/configuration-options-accounts
[15:37] <ArtfulDodger> aha tomreyn, they need a few days to setup a VM with a custom kernel, but meanwhile I still wanted to test :)
[15:37] <ArtfulDodger> I'll try Docker with overlay I guess
[15:39] <tomreyn> ArtfulDodger: you should really get a proper VM where you can manage your own kernel instead. you can even have that for free nowadays.
[15:39] <tomreyn> pretty much no one still uses Xen-PV
[15:40] <tomreyn> not for multi tenant cloud setup anyways
[16:59] <oerheks> !oem
[17:04] <LordDragon> hey all
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> welcome LordDragon
[17:04] <LordDragon> im running kubuntu 22.04.1 and suddenly the "Additional Drivers" settings has the "Apply Changes" button grayed out no matter what gpu driver i select
[17:05] <LordDragon> did I somehow manually install a driver that disables that functionality?
[17:05] <LordDragon> or is that a known bug maybe?
[17:06] <ravage> LordDragon: you can try ubuntu-drivers in a terminal
[17:06] <LordDragon> ravage: that one doesn't let choose a specific version though
[17:06] <LordDragon> it's autoinstall or nothing
[17:07] <ravage> actually autoinstall is deprecated
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> LordDragon: between wich drivers can you choose?
[17:07] <oerheks> for what GPU ?
[17:07] <ravage> "sudo ubuntu-drivers list" "sudo ubuntu-drivers install <yourdriver>"
[17:08] <LordDragon> ravage: I have never been able to get the "install" command to work. ive tried all sorts of syntax but it never works even though the "list" and "devices" command totally lists everything
[17:08] <oerheks> maybe related with your -oem kernel?
[17:08] <ravage> install      Install a driver [driver[:version][,driver[:version]]]
[17:08] <ravage> what error do you get?
[17:08] <oerheks> also, without proper info what gpu, any answer could be valid
[17:09] <LordDragon> oerheks: it's an NVIDIA 3070 ti
[17:09] <LordDragon> the nvidia-driver-520 is the one im looking to install
[17:09] <LordDragon> ravage: i get this error: All the available drivers are already installed.
[17:10] <ravage> ok. that may be the case
[17:10] <LordDragon> oerheks: also nah, ive never been able to get the "install" parameter to work on ubuntu-drivers, even with standard generic kernels
[17:10] <ravage> remove all nvidia packages and try again
[17:10] <LordDragon> ravage: its not installed as confirmed using dpkg to search
[17:11] <LordDragon> also 520 didnt exist since last time i tried to use the CLI to update gpu drivers
[17:12] <ravage> maybe you give us all the information and things you tried first
[17:12] <LordDragon> the last time i tried to research it, the best I could understand, you need to somehow include kernel header version information or something with the "install" command
[17:13] <ravage> and i only see the 520 open driver
[17:13] <ravage> that never really worked for me
[17:13] <ravage> im still on 515
[17:13] <tomreyn> !info nvidia-driver-520 jammy
[17:13] <ravage> oh its  there
[17:14] <ravage> but it failed last time i tried. was a while back though
[17:14] <LordDragon> the "open" drivers are new to me as well. whats the difference between those and the standard meta ones im familiar with?
[17:14] <ravage> its saturday night and i have nothing else to do. lets try. brb i hope :)
[17:14] <LordDragon> lol ravage. may the odds ever be in your favor :)
[17:16] <tomreyn> the "-open" drivers are the ones where nvidia moved most of the actual driver to the firmware blob and only left its instrumentation in the driver package, and open sourced that.
[17:17] <LordDragon> hmm. any advantages to running that one if you aren't a developer?
[17:18] <tomreyn> it is young, i would not expect that to work flawless, yet
[17:18] <LordDragon> ok :)
[17:18] <tomreyn> (but i have not tried, or read up on it)
[17:22] <mearvk> brothers
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> what can we do for you mearvk ?
[17:23] <mearvk> can anyone help with the download portion of the Thunderbird Email client?
[17:23] <mearvk> i have the port open
[17:23] <mearvk> server seems fine is what i mean
[17:23] <ravage> ok. switching via the GUI failed with an error "message". actually just a popup with a big X but no message
[17:23] <ravage> removed all 515 packages and manually installed 520. booted just fine
[17:24] <tomreyn> mearvk: you can download thunderbird using apt.
[17:24] <tomreyn> or snap
[17:26] <mearvk> oh...show me that
[17:27] <oerheks> thunderbird is installed standard, no?
[17:27] <lotuspsychje> on ubuntu desktop for sure
[17:27] <ravage> unless you choose the minimal install
[17:28] <tomreyn> sudo apt update && sudo apt install thunderbird
[17:29] <oerheks> What about the ' i have the port open' part?
[17:32] <tomreyn> surely, mearvk is telling us that the egress firewall is configured to allow traffic to their configured apt mirror on ports 80 and/or 443.
[17:32] <oerheks> Ports 143 and 587
[17:32] <tomreyn> well, possibly. or something else.
[17:35] <lotuspsychje> !details | mearvk please
[17:35] <mearvk> :D
[17:35] <mearvk> one sec
[17:35] <LordDragon> is it possible to upgrade from 22.04.1 to 22.10 ?
[17:36] <ravage> LordDragon: yes
[17:36] <ravage> but keep in mind you leave the LTS path. you have to upgrade every 9 months to stay on a supported version
[17:36]  * LordDragon nods
[17:37] <LordDragon> is it using do-release-upgrade command?
[17:38] <ravage> LordDragon: https://i.imgur.com/nitUnd3.png last option
[17:38] <ravage> the do-release-upgrade should find 22.10
[17:39] <ravage> or you can change it in /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades manually
[17:39] <LordDragon> ravage: already set to normal. i changed the setting via terminal but yeah, the last option says "Normal Releases"
[17:39] <LordDragon> do-release-upgrade says this
[17:39] <LordDragon> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[17:39] <LordDragon> Upgrades to the development release are only
[17:39] <LordDragon> available from the latest supported release.
[17:40] <oerheks> run proper updates first, before do-release-upgrade
[17:40] <LordDragon> already did
[17:41] <LordDragon> "All packages are up to date.
[17:41] <LordDragon> "
[17:41] <tomreyn> what is the exact command you ran to produce the output you pasted here?
[17:42] <LordDragon> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[17:42] <tomreyn> and you ran this why?
[17:42] <LordDragon> well ravage just suggested it
[17:42] <tomreyn> where?
[17:43] <LordDragon> oh hmm. i guess i saw the -d flag part from google. apparently that flag is wrong :)
[17:43] <tomreyn> thanks for reading your man page ;)
[17:43] <mearvk> Does Courier-MTA care if we check IMAP via 25/143?
[17:44] <LordDragon> tomreyn: theres a time to read man pages, and then there isnt ;)
[17:44] <oerheks> with 25 yes, there is no provider using that old port
[17:44] <ravage> and not as an imap port at all i hope
[17:45] <oerheks> Thunderbird   POP3: 110, 995  IMAP: 143, 220, 585, 993 SMTP: 25, 587
[17:45] <tomreyn> LordDragon: it is nice, recommendable, almost expected, that you read your man page before you ask here, though
[17:46] <mearvk> Right ok
[17:48] <LordDragon> tomreyn: I respect that. jokes aside, there are man pages and then there are MAN pages. i mean some commands are very complex and ALOT of reading and sometimes its nice to have a community to just ask a specific question and maybe someone can stare you at the exact bit you need to pay attention to :)
[17:48] <LordDragon> steer*
[17:49] <mearvk> im so sure
[17:49] <tomreyn> LordDragon: and that just happened, even though this man page is really short and simple.
[17:49] <LordDragon> tomreyn: you are right about that. in this instance, i was frustrated and didnt check. i apologize for not double checking the relevance of that flag
[17:50] <LordDragon> its humming along with the upgrade now. thanks all :)
[17:51] <tomreyn> LordDragon: no need to apologize, i'm just trying to suggest how to work around such situations in the future. i'm glad we could help here.
[17:52] <LordDragon> it seems these -oem kernels are geared towards people running brand new hardware (usually commerically sold machines) and often may break things. some people recommend running the latest -generic ones instead
[17:52] <tomreyn> LordDragon: i.e. don't take every tutorial you run into for granted, many are misleading. sometimes a bit, sometimes very.
[17:52] <tomreyn> (and others are really good, unfortunately it's difficult to tell those apart.)
[17:53] <ravage> LordDragon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/OEMKernel
[17:53] <LordDragon> tomreyn: totally accurate. especially certain tasks are very circumstance-specific and you cant trust the command tutorial gives is the right one for yours
[17:56] <LordDragon> y
[17:56] <LordDragon> oops. wrong window
[18:17] <mauro> #list
[18:18] <mauro> @list
[18:18] <lotuspsychje> !alis | mauro
[18:26] <Dokuz> hi
[18:27] <lotuspsychje> welcome Dokuz
[18:27] <Dokuz> i have problem
[18:27] <Dokuz> i cant connect my ubuntu vps
[18:27] <enyc> Dokuz: please state your ubuntu version and problem clearly =)
[18:27] <Dokuz> i try wrong
[18:28] <Dokuz> command and icant connect my vps
[18:28] <Dokuz> sudo ufw allow from 1.2.3.4
[18:28] <Dokuz> I guess that's why I can't connect
[18:29] <Dokuz> Use the Droplet Console for native-like terminal access to your Droplet from your browser. Here is the list of supported OSes for the new console
[18:29] <Dokuz> also i cant connect from digitalocean
[18:29] <leftyfb> Dokuz: you'll need to reach out to digital ocean for support with accessing your droplet from their console
[18:30] <Dokuz> ok
[18:32]  * enyc yawns!
[18:45] <Dokuz> I provided the link from digitalocean
[18:45] <leftyfb> Dokuz: you need to contact Digital Ocean
[18:46] <oerheks> there is a #digitalocean channel here on #libera
[18:46] <Dokuz> ruledeleted
[18:46] <Dokuz> leftyfb
[18:47] <Dokuz> I'm in vps right now but I'm getting time out error with putty
[18:47] <Dokuz> why
[18:48] <leftyfb> Dokuz: can you access your VPS in any way?
[18:48] <Dokuz> yes
[18:48] <leftyfb> Dokuz: ok, disable ufw
[18:48] <leftyfb> and make sure ssh is running
[18:50] <Dokuz> ah ok :)
[18:50] <Dokuz> its ok
[18:50] <Dokuz> done
[18:51] <Dokuz> my ircd server is working but i can't connect
[18:51] <Dokuz> firewall disabled but why block
[18:51] <leftyfb> Dokuz: is ssh running?
[18:51] <Dokuz> yes
[18:51] <leftyfb> can you ping it's public ip?
[18:52] <leftyfb> can the VPS ping out to the internet?
[18:52] <Dokuz> yes
[18:52] <leftyfb> I asked multiple questions
[18:54] <oerheks> Did you ever connect?
[18:54] <Dokuz> yes
[18:54] <Dokuz> I wanted to open a port for anope, it's closed
[18:55] <leftyfb> Dokuz: can you ssh to your VPS?
[18:55] <Dokuz> Why are my added ports not opening?
[18:56] <Dokuz> yes im in vps with putty
[18:56] <leftyfb> Dokuz: if you disabled ufw, then you don't have firewall rules in place to block anything
[18:56] <leftyfb> Dokuz: sudo iptables -L n | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:58] <Dokuz> iptables v1.8.7 (nf_tables): chain `n' in table `filter' is incompatible, use 'nft' tool.
[19:00] <Dokuz> why icant use my ircd
[19:00] <Dokuz> its working but i cant connect my ircd
[19:00] <leftyfb> Dokuz: sudo ufw status | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:01] <Dokuz> https://termbin.com/nrmw
[19:02] <leftyfb> Dokuz: sudo lsof -i :6697 | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:02] <leftyfb> Dokuz: also sudo lsof -i :6667 | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:03] <Dokuz> https://termbin.com/gtlp
[19:04] <leftyfb> ipv6?
[19:04] <Dokuz> hm
[19:04] <Dokuz> need ipv4
[19:04] <leftyfb> it's running and listening on ipv6
[19:04] <Dokuz> how i can change to ipv4
[19:05] <leftyfb> Dokuz: you'll need to read the documentation for that
[19:12] <Dokuz> this about ircd or ubuntu ?
[19:13] <leftyfb> ircd
[19:17] <Dokuz> leftyfb: in DigitalOcean disabled ipv6
[19:17] <Dokuz> now working
[19:24] <leftyfb> Dokuz: please do not PM
[21:25] <mort> any word on when the "ubuntu software" app update bug will be fixed
[21:30] <jhutchins> mort: Bug report number?
[21:30] <mort> I mean the one extremely obvious one, the one where any time you hit "update all" it just shows an error message because apps are running
[21:31] <ravage> !bug | mort
[21:31] <mort> I don't know if there's a bug report number but anyone using ubuntu has surely seen this at least a few times
[21:34] <Jeremy31> mort: trying to run multiple software apps at once?
[21:34] <mort> no?
[21:35] <mort> https://p.mort.coffee/lxG.png I'm talking about this dialog
[21:36] <mort> if you close firefox and try again it'll complain that snapd is running and you can't close snapd other than through the command line
[21:36] <mort> but that whole thing is just obviously very broken
[21:36] <jhutchins> mort: Maybe it's not a bug.  Maybe it's just you.
[21:37] <mort> you mean I'm imagining this?
[21:37] <leftyfb> mort: I would report it as a bug
[21:37] <jhutchins> mort: No, I would think it's really happening, but you haven't dug deep enough to figure out why, and it's happening because of something on your system.
[21:37] <oerheks> looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/snapd/+bug/1995898
[21:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1993135 in snapd (Ubuntu) "package snapd (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: »installiertes post-removal-Skript des Paketes snapd«-Unterprozess gab den Fehlerwert 1 zurück" [Medium, Fix Committed] [duplicate: 1995898]
[21:38] <oerheks> this is on Bionic?
[21:38] <mort> kinetic
[21:41] <mort> I had hoped it would be fixed before kinetic was released, since it has been an issue for a long time
[21:42] <leftyfb> the bug was just reported a little over a week ago. several weeks after kinetic was released
[21:42] <mort> well, it has been there for months
[21:43] <oerheks> most snap issues are firefox. if you closed firefox and run updates, should work.
[21:43] <leftyfb> mort: reporting bugs helps them get fixed
[21:44] <mort> oerheks: it's the terrible ergonomics I'm talking about though
[21:45] <mort> if the error message said something like "You must close firefox to install the update" that would be better (even if that still wouldn't be great, why even require firefox to be closed? There are ways for an upgrade system to safely install upgrades without having to close the app)
[21:46] <leftyfb> mort: to be clear. This channel is capable of things like helping to fix something that is misconfigured or pointing to documentation or work around bugs temporarily. This channel cannot fix bugs. If you find something that is clearly a bug, you need to report it. Complaining about it here will not get it fixed any sooner
[21:46] <ravage> the way snap works you can update the application while it is running
[21:46] <ravage> that wont change
[21:46] <mort> when an end user is expected to see the error message frequently (as in, the system is literally designed such that the most obvious use will result in the error message), the error message should probably be written with that in mind
[21:46] <leftyfb> mort: report the bug
[21:46] <ravage> *cant
[21:46] <mort> ravage: I know it won't change, that doesn't make it any less of a stupid engineering decision
[21:47] <ravage> well. report the bug or mark yourself as affected. or even send a fix.
[21:47] <tomreyn> mort: please give back by reporting bugs
[21:48] <leftyfb> mort: good luck
[21:48] <mort> I try to report bugs in the hope that they get fixed, but they never get fixed before the major version they affect is shipped
[21:48] <mort> seemingly regardless of how significant they are
[21:49] <mort> bugs of the kind "this popular application segfaults at launch for all users" or "users of this popular GPU brand will have their system bricked during update if they have auto login enabled" don't get fixed before at least half a year after release
[21:49] <leftyfb> !discuss | mort
[21:50] <oerheks> if you don't file a bugreport, it will never get fixed. then your argument is invalid.
[21:51] <mort> those two examples were from bugs which were reported early in the beta cycle for a new release
[21:52] <jhutchins> mort: Some things that will "bump" the recognition of bug reports are if you can reproduce the bug on a different machine, or if other people also report the same bug (possibly with added details).
[21:53] <mort> the current process allows "all nvidia users with auto login enabled has their machine bricked" to go unfixed for a year.
[21:54] <leftyfb> mort: https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad
[21:54] <leftyfb> mort: report a bug there against launchpad
[21:54] <leftyfb> about your issue with reporting bugs
[21:55] <leftyfb> mort: You need to understand, this channel is all volunteers from the community who help people with issues with ubuntu. It is not assumed that any Ubuntu devs or Canonical employees are in this channel. Even if they were, this is not the place to engage them.
[21:55] <mort> I get it, I'll shut ip
[21:55] <mort> shut up*
[21:58] <mort> it just sucks so bad when you've been trying to introduce your sister to linux, they have ubuntu on their machine and use it sometimes, and you have to go tell them, "don't update to the newest version they just released, I reported a bug 4 months ago that's still not fixed about how the new version bricks all users with nvidia cards", it makes
[21:58] <mort> this whole thing look like a clown show
[21:58] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 4 in Launchpad itself "Importing finished po doesn't change progressbar" [Medium, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/4
[21:58] <mort> you don't have to respond to that, it's just an explanation of why this broken process is kind of emotional
[21:58] <Dokuz> hi
[21:58] <leftyfb> mort: I do not recommend updating every 6 months to the "latest". Stick with LTS releases which are supported for longer and are more stable
[21:58] <Dokuz> Is there a personnel tracking program for facial recognition personnel entry? cloud web?
[21:59] <mort> I'm sorry, but using packages which are 2 years out of date is insufferable
[21:59] <jhutchins> mort: So don't suffer.  Contribute.
[21:59] <mort> THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO
[22:00] <jhutchins> mort: Complaining is not contributing.
[22:00] <leftyfb> mort: I've been using Ubuntu since 2007. I've stuck with only LTS releases since 10.04. No issues here with "packages which are 2 years out of date"
[22:00] <mort> but when critical bugs are reported upstream in a timely manner during the beta period, and the bug report gets no attention until long after the critical bug is released, it feels useless
[22:00] <ravage> !discuss | mort
[22:00] <mort> leftyfb; lucky you
[22:01] <mort> ravage: I'm responding to what other people are saying. Surely that's allowed.
[22:01] <leftyfb> mort: feel free to continue the rant in #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic.
[22:02] <mort> jhutchins: when you're saying "contribute", you mean by reporting bugs, right?
[22:02] <mort> since AFAIK there's no way to contribute code to ubuntu
[22:02] <mort> you contribute code to the various projects which make up ubuntu, but most of those are on other git repos and contributions there won't make it to ubuntu for half a year
[22:02] <ravage> !contribute | mort
[22:03] <jhutchins> mort: You can contribute code to most projects, often up-stream.  You can also contribute code that addresses specific bugs by posting your contribution to the bug report.
[22:03] <mort> ok now you're not reading what I write
[22:03] <jhutchins> mort: Even identifying the sections of code responsible for a bug is a contribution.
[22:03] <leftyfb> mort: you've been told that complaining is offtopic here. Multiple times across multiple years. Please discontinue the discussion here and continue it in either #ubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-discuss
[22:04] <mort> leftyfb: sure, once people stop starting discussions with me here
[22:04] <mort> it takes two to discuss after all
[22:32] <Sircle> seems this is not working/ enabling pitch compensation checkbox. Any solution? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1157603/kdenlive-speed-up-the-audio-and-video-without-losing-pitch
[22:33] <jhutchins> Sircle: What's your source/input?
[22:34] <Sircle> jhutchins am.. a recording made by obs studio
[22:34] <Sircle> and audio is made by audacity by the way
[22:34] <Sircle> in some vidoes and built in in others
[22:35] <Sircle> rubberband-cli installation was futile as well
[22:36] <jhutchins> Sircle: That doesn't really say what the input format is, some formats may be more friendly to manipulation than others.
[22:36] <JamesPrada> hi guys - I just installed newest Xubuntu
[22:36] <Sircle> jhutchins mp4
[22:36] <JamesPrada> What is the chance of hacker attack on Linux?
[22:36] <ravage> JamesPrada: 42
[22:36] <leftyfb> !ot | JamesPrada
[22:37] <JamesPrada> Once in public library someonce hacked my distribution and made it unable to run. Since then I am always having LIVE stick.
[22:37] <leftyfb> JamesPrada: please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic. This is a support channel
[22:38] <oerheks> ' my distribution' ..
[22:40] <jhutchins> Sircle: I think the audience here that knows kdenlive is pretty narrow.  It's not a big enough project to support it's own irc channel, but there is a forum, and there is a mailing list.  Not sure which of those is more active, but you'd have better luck there.
[22:40] <jhutchins> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive
[22:40] <Sircle> jhutchins thanks
[22:40] <jhutchins> https://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=262&sid=f5ce3f74eb3175e30dc5d406746de3b3
[23:48] <ericus> Hi! What would be best practice in Ubuntu if I easily want to switch between two different vlans?
[23:52] <toddc> ericus: I would manually configure two profiles one for each
[23:55] <leftyfb> it also depends if they're tagged or not. Otherwise, you can just set a static ip on one of=r the other