[00:10] <HabibHashemi[m]> سلام . کسی می تونه کمک کنه ؟
[00:10] <HabibHashemi[m]> hi
[00:10] <HabibHashemi[m]> I am new to here
[00:11] <tomreyn> hey HabibHashemi[m] - welcome to the ubuntu support chat
[00:11] <HabibHashemi[m]> I got error when try to make bootable usb drive
[00:11] <HabibHashemi[m]> Thank you
[00:11] <tomreyn> i'll have to go, but if you can describe the issue well, and have some patience (just wait a couple minutes), i bet someone else will help
[00:12] <HabibHashemi[m]> Thanks
[00:13] <tomreyn> HabibHashemi[m]: some questions which can help: what ubuntu are you running? what are you trying to do, and why? what have you done so far? what was the result (and error messages)? what did you expect to happen instead?
[00:14] <HabibHashemi[m]> Yeah
[00:14] <tomreyn> share output on dpaste.com (posting the final dpaste.com url here) or screenshots on imgur.com
[00:15] <tomreyn> generally, i recommend using the "balena etcher" software to create usb installer media. good luck.
[00:36] <HabibHashemi[m]> I want to install ubuntu studio 22.04.1 LS on my pc.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/e663a1e31e53ea945d84cf1590de28ed6b542d4e>)
[00:40] <Bashing-om> HabibHashemi[m]: try as tomreyn suggested above: "balena etcher" >> https://www.maketecheasier.com/linux-live-disks-etcher/ .
 "Habib Hashemi: try as tomreyn..." <- Yes. Thanks to you and tomreyn. Its in progress to be made
[00:53] <Bashing-om> HabibHashemi[m]: \o/
[01:13] <HabibHashemi[m]> I see the same problem here
[01:17] <HabibHashemi[m]> Turns off my pc In the mid of booting
[01:19] <HabibHashemi[m]> I am completely new to "linux"
[01:21] <HabibHashemi[m]> And I have a firm decision to migrate to Linux. I want to learn and grow.
[01:30] <Bashing-om> !md5sum | HabibHashemi[m]
[01:33] <squarecircle> do you know a multi bay 2.5" external hdd case?
[02:08] <Diagon> I have a two-bay 2.5"
[02:08] <Diagon> Let's see ...
[02:08] <Diagon> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GVVC59A?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
[02:08] <Diagon> Without tracking: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GVVC59A
[02:09] <Diagon> squarecircle ^^^^^^^^^
[02:09] <Diagon> That's a nice one, but I'd really like something that could do 3 or 4 bays.
[02:13] <Diagon> Here's another 2-bay: https://www.amazon.com/OWC-Mercury-Bus-Powered-Storage-Enclosure/dp/B01N9GDUMB
[02:20] <cartdrige> USB connection?
[02:21] <cartdrige> or networked storage most likely?
[02:21] <Diagon> Ya, both are USB.  No one has eSATA any more.
[02:29] <plt1984> Yaa out the 1 million php developers qdpm did it right
[02:31] <squarecircle> Diagon: thank you, sadly, I need some more slots for drives, but its a nice looking alternative
[02:32] <Diagon> Ya, me too.  I'm thinking maybe I get a second one ...
[02:33] <Diagon> I do have a 4-port that takes both 2.5" and 3.5" drives.  https://www.amazon.com/Syba-SY-ENC50104-SATA-Non-RAID-Enclosure/dp/B076ZH262B/
[02:33] <Diagon> That one's both USB and eSATA.
[02:34] <squarecircle> cartdrige: don't really care, I'm sitting here on a mountain of 2.5" drives and I want some external buffer, that I can feed so that my notebook main drive is not cluttered with project stuff, on which I only work, when I'm at the desk.
[02:35] <Diagon> This one's 4-bay, but after some reading, I was suspicious of heat issues: https://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Drive-Docking-Station-DS-4SSD/dp/B0711L68MS/
[02:36] <squarecircle> Diagon: yeah, there are a lot of 3.5" options, but theyre all very big ...
[02:36] <backthen> I'm getting a pop up saying "run a partial upgrade, to install as many updates as possible". Is this the OS trying to upgrade fro 18 to 20?
[02:37] <cartdrige> squarecircle, mount yourself a seedbox with them, you can stick 4 or 6 disks on the motherboard maybe then get a powered USB HUB for the other ones :)
[02:39] <matsaman> backthen: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/362731/how-to-identify-window-by-clicking-in-wayland
[02:40] <squarecircle> cartdrige: seedbox?
[02:41] <cartdrige> seedbox are network storage boxes, they used for torrenting stuff usualy, like archive.org
[02:42] <backthen> matsaman: hmm not sure if the link is for me
[02:44] <squarecircle> cartdrige: yeah, I know, but thing is: I want something local, I already have some terabytes of remote storage - which is sadly not useable, with 50MBit/s Upload and only 250MBit/s down
[02:44] <matsaman> backthen: it is
[02:44] <squarecircle> cartdrige: I was more or less hoping for a hint to a device like the Helios ARM NAS Boards, that are now out of business, sadly
[02:45] <backthen> matsaman: oh, the pop up is from 'Software Updater'. It asks me to 'Partial Upgrade'. I'm afraid if I click on this my OS will go from 18 to 20
[02:46] <matsaman> do you want to do any upgrade right now?
[02:47] <matsaman> if not, don't run it
[02:47] <matsaman> if so, why can't you upgrade to 22?
[02:47] <backthen> I want to do any program/security updates, not upgrade from 18 to 20.
[02:48] <Roey> Hi, how can I get locate working again? It's not producing any results for me
[02:48] <backthen> matsaman:  I have older software that don't work beyond 18
[02:53] <matsaman> Roey: if it's installed, it traditionally comes with a cron job that runs updatedb daily
[02:53] <matsaman> Roey: if it's installed but not working, that cron job might be failing
[02:53] <matsaman> Roey: so first try running updatedb manually to see if it works at all
[02:53] <matsaman> backthen: what're you going to do when 18 goes EOL?
[02:56] <backthen> matsaman: continue as usual. By then those software could be available for 20
[02:58] <matsaman> backthen: and you saw this?: http://google.com/search?q=ubuntu+what+is+partial+upgrade
[02:59] <backthen> matsaman: yes, basically this picture in this post https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/partial-upgrade-message/14587/8
[03:08] <squarecircle> Diagon:  ICY BOX IB-3810U3 found this
[03:09] <squarecircle> seems a reasonable approach, pine64 sbc added for network and its rolling
[03:10] <silv3r_m00n> hi there, i am running a simple python module called rambenchmark and this command called mbw. the ram write speed (memset) is very slow when ubuntu is running in Live Mode. any ideas why ?
[03:15] <Diagon> squarecircle - that's 3.5"  https://www.newegg.com/icy-box-hddicy3810u3/p/N82E16817551056R?Description=ICY%20BOX%20IB-3810U3&cm_re=ICY_BOX%20IB-3810U3-_-17-551-056R-_-Product&quicklink=true
[03:39] <lagunaloire> well i thought i would mention some more headaches today besides the thunderbird problems and the missing gnome-desktop section in settings...there is also another problem...i tried to install screengrab but it just looks blank..no screenshot at all
[03:40] <lagunaloire> i also installed gnome-screenshot and it seems to work.
[03:40] <lagunaloire> could there possibly be some missing qt stuff for screengrab to wokr
[03:40] <lagunaloire> work
[03:42] <lagunaloire> i guess cheese and gnome-screenshot are enough...but it is really sad that some screenrecorders say they will not work with wayland..only x
[03:42] <cartdrige> gimp can create a screenshot too, but i think ubuntu has an integrated screenshot grabber when you press print-screen ?
[03:43] <lagunaloire> cartdrige yes the failsafe printscreen key works ok
[03:43] <lagunaloire> cartdrige but i am not sure what is missing for screengrab to work
[03:44] <Bashing-om> lagunaloire: screengrab looks to be a Lubuntu package -- might run ' apt show screengrab ' and verify that all dependencies are met ?
[03:44] <rob0> Considering that screenshots are processed from the low-level graphics image, it's not surprising that those written for X11 won't work on Wayland.
[03:44] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om..ok let me try that command
[03:53] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om..ok i checked each one and all the dependencies are installed...so maybe let me try to boot into lxqt desktop and see if it works with just x and not wayland
[03:53] <lagunaloire> rob0 maybe it is a wayland problem
[03:54] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om or maybe on second thought because i have to disable the xorg session manager...i will just forget the app
[03:56] <Bashing-om> lagunaloire: Sorry I can mot be of more help - Not used the app so not much I can know.
[03:57] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om...well gnome is stuck on wayland so there is no going back i guess...so ill just forget the app...however what can be used as a screenrecorder and screencaster that is consistent with gnome on wayland
[03:57] <cartdrige> I wonder if they did they choose the name 'wayland' so that it makes 'mother' happy in the Alien movies? :P the text mode terminal.
[03:58] <cartdrige> Wayland-Yutani for alien fan nerds.
[03:58] <lagunaloire> cartdrige...well its just a lousy compositor and there were many before it...long ago...but these days all the gnome people want to do is move everything to the wayland compositor
[03:59] <Bashing-om> lagunaloire: No experience there at all as I run xfce; that does not support Wayland to this time.
[03:59] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om..yes i know...xfce has always worked very well...but the gnome people are moving on with wayland
[04:00] <Bashing-om> lagunaloire: Yes indeedy - and that is a good thing :D
[04:01] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om...well ok so now my question is what screenrecorder for videos/with/audio and screencaster are consistent with gnome on wayland
[04:02] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om so people can see our videos of playing 3d games on linux and watch each battle tactics and interactions with the characters
[04:02] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om so i am wondering what is the wayland solution for this stuff
[04:03] <Bashing-om> lagunaloire: When I have nothing to say - best that I say nothing.
[04:04] <Diagon> squarecircle - here's a raspberry pi NAS for 2 drives.  https://www.amazon.com/Geekworm-Raspberry-Storage-Expansion-Compatible/dp/B07VXF2HJG/
[04:05] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om...well long ago i used to play 2d games on linux...when they first became available...and i used a screenrecorder that outputted everything to ogg movies with audio...so then i had to transcode it to more familiar mpeg4 so most people could see it ...those without theora support
[04:06] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om but that was before the wayland fad..came along...so now i am wondering how to maintain functionality with the wayland emphasis of gnome
[04:08] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om and it was before 3d became a fad...so now to maintain the same function...i need to find a screenrecorder that is consistent with gnome on wayland
[04:09] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om because most gamers like to see solutions in action for difficult parts of certain games to make it easier for them to win
[04:12] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om so most of us trade screenrecordings of games in action...because each one of us does not have the time to solve all the strategic issues of all the games so we each focus on a few and get answers for others
 Roey: so first try running updatedb manually to see if it works at all
[04:14] <Roey> that just returns instantly without producing any output
[04:14] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om an example of what can no longer be used is simplescreenrecorder that doesn't like wayland
[04:14] <Bashing-om> lagunaloire: While I can appreciate the efforts - You are away from my experience range; I am unable to offer any direct guidance.
[04:15] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om...well it is sad that not even simplescreenrecorder is consistent with wayland...so i am sure there are others but i don't know what the gnome people use
[04:23] <rob0> Roey, updatedb would not normally produce output. But generally it should run awhile: indexing the whole filesystem. Returning immediately could happen on a small and/or very fast filesystem.
[04:25] <lagunaloire> well i have been working on gaming issues since the trs80 model 1 starting in 1978 so about 44 years now...and i hope critical functions like screenrecorders and screencasters are not going the way of the dodo birds just because gnome likes wayland
[04:25] <Roey> rob0: yeah, so here it doesn't take a while
[04:25] <Roey> i don't think it's doing anything
[04:26] <rob0> you're running this as root (or with sudo)?
[04:26] <lagunaloire> gaming is and always has been very serious business for more than 44 years now...and i hate losing some functionality without alternative solutions for gnome
[04:26] <Roey> rob0: correct
[04:26] <Roey> sudo updatedb
[04:26] <rob0> If you have a spinning rust hard drive, updatedb should cause some activity.
[04:26] <Roey> rob0: ssd here
[04:27] <lagunaloire> Roey no sudo updatedb is great for the locate whatever command
[04:27] <rob0> then it could have completed quickly
[04:27] <lagunaloire> Roey for when you want to see where in the craziest places some distros are putting various libs and stuff
[04:28] <Roey> heh
[04:28] <Roey> so,
[04:28] <Roey> I ran sudo strace updatedb
[04:28] <rob0> try "locate some-file" where you know there is a file with that name that you'd have the right to see
[04:28] <Roey> it gave some output
[04:28] <Roey> er
[04:28] <Roey> locate does not give any output
[04:28] <Roey> that's why I ran updatedb
[04:28] <rob0> yep, strace shows what it did
[04:28] <Roey> which gives no output either
[04:29] <rob0> is this a default Ubuntu? what version?
[04:29] <lagunaloire> Roey yes it does use sudo locate somefile to check all your root possibilites
[04:29] <Roey> sudo strace updatedb: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MhP8YnfHwp/
[04:30] <Roey> rob0: kubuntu 22.10
[04:30] <lagunaloire> Roey try installing mlocate that i know works for a long time now
[04:30] <lagunaloire> Roey try sudo apt install mlocate
[04:31] <Roey> sudo strace locate passwd: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/h5bck5Pb4S/
[04:31] <lagunaloire> Roey and then just use the locate command after updatedb
[04:31] <Roey> "mlocate is already the newest version (1.1.16-1ubuntu1).
[04:31] <Roey> "
[04:31] <Roey> should i try install --reinstall?
[04:31] <lagunaloire> Roey..ok that one is known to work without any problems
[04:32] <Roey> ok
[04:32] <lagunaloire> Roey...try sudo updatedb...and then sudo locate firefox
[04:32] <Roey> this has been as of the past.. month? something like that?> that it does not work
[04:32] <Roey> yeah both commands return instantly and produce no output
[04:32] <Roey> still
[04:32] <lagunaloire> Roey...sudo locate firefox doesn't produce anything
[04:33] <lagunaloire> Roey what about sudo locate gcc
[04:34] <Bashing-om> lagunaloire: As a thought - If you have that strong of an interest, burn a Lubuntu .ISO - see if screengrab is a default install. If it is run ' cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/screengrab.list ' and see what Lubuntu installs to support the app.
[04:35] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om ..ok i will ...where is a lubuntu live dvd i can burn and boot up in
[04:35] <lagunaloire> that has screengrab already in the iso
[04:36] <lagunaloire> Roey...did sudo locate gcc return anything
[04:36] <Bashing-om> lagunaloire: https://lubuntu.me/downloads/ .
[04:38] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om ok i see a kinetic something i am getting it now to burn it
 Roey...did sudo locate gcc return anything <- correct.
[04:39] <lagunaloire> Roey...did it return anything for you
[04:39] <Roey> nope
[04:39] <Roey> nothign.
[04:39] <lagunaloire> Roey you should see about a page of listings by rows on that one
[04:40] <Roey> lke I said it produces no output whatsoever.
[04:40] <Roey> I did run strace on it
[04:40] <Roey> that produced output, which I posted above
 sudo strace updatedb: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/MhP8YnfHwp/
 sudo strace locate passwd: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/h5bck5Pb4S/
[04:40] <toddc> snap list?
[04:41] <Roey> toddc: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Kbv3sTK5gf/
[04:42] <lagunaloire> Roey hmmm.maybe you have a problem with sudo not being set up correctly...try su command to go to root priveledges...and then just type locate gcc
[04:42] <Roey> I did sudo sh, then ran updatedb and locate passwd.  Same behavior.
[04:43] <lagunaloire> Roey well just try su command to go to root
[04:43] <lagunaloire> Roey and then try just locate gcc
[04:43] <Roey> it doesn't accept my pw
[04:43] <Roey> su by itself.
[04:44] <lagunaloire> Roey..oh...ok try sudo passwd root
[04:44] <lagunaloire> then type newpasswd twice
[04:44] <Roey> ok, same behavior as before.
[04:44] <Roey> (after su'ing to root and running updatedb and then locate gcc)
[04:45] <lagunaloire> Roey..well sounds to me like you don't have the right passwords...get a boot cd and fix that first
[04:45] <Roey> I mean I gave root a password
[04:45] <lagunaloire> Roey..you did ..and does su accecpt it
[04:45] <Roey> yes sir.
[04:46] <lagunaloire> Roey ok and you get nothing when you su to root and type locate gcc
[04:46] <Roey> lagunaloire: that is correct
[04:47] <lagunaloire> Roey...wow...i have never encountered that problem ever on any distro....this is strange
[04:48] <Roey> haha yeah
[04:48] <Roey> as far as I know, locate worked a few months ago
[04:48] <Roey> then I updated from 22.04 -> 22.10
[04:48] <lagunaloire> Roey...well try sudo apt purge mlocate and then sudo apt install mlocate and then sudo dpkg-reconfigure mlocate and test it again
[04:49] <lagunaloire> Roey also after purge do sudo apt autoclean just to be sure
[04:52] <Roey> still same behavior
[04:52] <Roey> rmdir: failed to remove '/var/lib/mlocate': Directory not empty
[04:52] <Roey> dpkg-statoverride: warning: no override present
[04:52] <lagunaloire> Roey.use sudo rm -rf /var/lib/mlocate before you reinstall it
[04:53] <Roey> I did
[04:53] <Roey> yeah I just tried that again.
[04:53] <Roey> same behavior as before.
[04:54] <lagunaloire> Roey...wow...maybe you have some new lib or something that is killing the program...but i can't imagine a problem with it after all these years
[04:54] <Roey> also, in /var/lib/mlocate (before I moved it out of the way), the files were last updated in April
[04:54] <gry> why did it become broken like that
[04:55] <Roey> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CrhD4Wk2T4/
[04:55] <Roey> gry, YGIAGAM
[04:55] <Roey> oh, hah, 2015 it says..
[04:56] <lagunaloire> Roey do you have liburing2 and libzstd1
[04:56] <rob0> Rather than guessing I'd suggest check the mlocate/updatedb documentation. It probably has a way to bypass a specified directory. Maybe yours is bypassing "/"?
[04:57] <lagunaloire> Roey...i think ubuntu wants to use a drop in replacement for mlocate...they want to be wierd and use plocate
[04:57] <Roey> ii  liburing2:amd64 2.2-2        amd64        Linux kernel io_uring access library - shared library
[04:57] <Roey> ii  libzstd1:amd64  1.5.2+dfsg-1 amd64        fast lossless compression algorithm
[04:57] <rob0> ^^ or s/mlocate/$Your-locate-implementation/
[04:57] <lagunaloire> Roey ok so you have the needed libs...unless there is some version problem
[04:58] <Roey> ok
[04:58] <lagunaloire> Roey...for some reason ubuntu wants to use plocate instead of mlocate
[04:58] <Roey> rob0: plocate produces same results (no results)
[04:58] <rob0> Library problems would have showed up in the strace, and would not have had exit 0.
[04:58] <Roey> ok
[04:58] <rob0> "No results" from checking documentation?!?
[04:59] <Roey> what?
[04:59] <Roey> I meant that plocate gcc also gave me no results
[04:59] <lagunaloire> Roey...ok you should not have /var/lib/mlocate...you should have /var/lib/plocate
[05:00] <Roey> -rw-r----- 1 root plocate 954 Nov 20 23:53 plocate.db
[05:00] <lagunaloire> Roey...cd to /var/lib and see with ls -al if you have plocate subdirectory
[05:00] <Roey> in the listing of "ls /var/lib/plocate -l"
[05:00] <rob0> 954 is tiny
[05:00] <Roey> right.
[05:00] <Roey> that at least is dated Nov 20
[05:00] <rob0> Again, I bet you're bypassing "/"
[05:01] <lagunaloire> Roey..no cd to /var/lib...then ls to see if plocate is a subdirectory
[05:01] <Roey> $ ls /var/lib/plocate/
[05:01] <Roey> CACHEDIR.TAG  plocate.db
[05:01] <rob0> the ls output showed it is NOT a directory
[05:01] <Roey> $ ls /var/lib/plocate/ -dl
[05:01] <Roey> drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 44 Nov 20 23:53 /var/lib/plocate/
[05:01] <rob0> (the plocate.db I mean)
[05:02] <lagunaloire> Roey...no cd to /var/lib ...not /var/lib/plocate
[05:02] <lagunaloire> Roey..then from there ls to see if plocate is a subdirectory
[05:02] <Roey> $ ls plocate -dl
[05:02] <Roey> drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 44 Nov 20 23:53 plocate
[05:02] <Roey> this is in /var/lib
[05:03] <lagunaloire> Roey ok see the d..it is a subdirectory
[05:03] <Roey> sure
[05:03] <lagunaloire> Roey and owned by root which should not be a problem if you have proper sudo privelegges
[05:03] <Roey> ok
[05:03] <Roey> I believe I should have those, right
[05:03] <lagunaloire> Roey yes
[05:07] <Roey> ok so there is no issue
[05:07] <lagunaloire> Roey...do sudo visudo and see what priveleges are given to members of the groups
[05:07] <Roey> with the permissions
[05:07] <Roey> ok, what should I be looking for, specifically?
[05:07] <Roey> root    ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
[05:07] <lagunaloire> Roey what do you see with sudo visudo....scroll down the file...
[05:08] <Roey> %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[05:08] <Roey> %sudo   ALL=(ALL:ALL) AL
[05:08] <lagunaloire> Roey but don't type anything
[05:08] <Roey> right
[05:08] <Roey> #includedir /etc/sudoers.d
[05:08] <lagunaloire> Roey ok...are you a member of the admin group
[05:08] <Roey> aye
[05:09] <Roey> I mean, also,  the fact that I can sudo updatedb, yeah
[05:09] <lagunaloire> Roey do sudo nano /etc/group and scroll the list and see what groups you are in
[05:09] <lagunaloire> Roey...there is adm group on ubuntu and wheel group on many other distros
[05:10] <Roey> adm,cdrom,sudo,audio,dip,plugdev,lpadmin,sambashare
[05:10] <lagunaloire> Roey..is your username to the right of adm group
[05:10] <Roey> ^ my username is listed in the groups above
[05:10] <Roey> right
[05:10] <lagunaloire> Roey...ok don't edit anything exit with ctrl x
[05:10] <Roey> aye
[05:11] <lagunaloire> Roey...ok it sounds like sudo is setup ok for your system
[05:12] <Roey> ok cool
[05:15] <lagunaloire> Roey...well type env by itself...and see if there is anything abnormal about your shell ...i use /bin/bash...and see if you have the usual paths
[05:17] <Roey> which locate
[05:17] <Roey> $ which locate
[05:17] <Roey> 20221121 00:16:59
[05:17] <Roey> er
[05:17] <Roey> $ which locate
[05:17] <Roey> /usr/bin/locate
[05:18] <Roey> so I know my PATH is correct
[05:19] <lagunaloire> Roey...well ok type ls -al /usr/bin/locate and see if it points to /etc/alternatives/locate...and see if that points to /usr/bin/plocate...then do ls -al /usr/bin/plocate
[05:19] <Roey> $ ls /etc/alternatives/locate -l
[05:19] <Roey> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Jun 19 00:13 //etc/alternatives/locate -> /usr/bin/plocate
[05:19] <rob0> plocate uses updatedb.conf(5), https://plocate.sesse.net/updatedb.conf.5.html
[05:19] <Roey> ok
[05:20] <Roey> $ ls -l /bin/locate
[05:20] <Roey> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 Mar 12  2014 /bin/locate -> /etc/alternatives/locate
[05:20] <lagunaloire> Roey..ok good...then the next ls -al /etc/alternatives/locate
[05:21] <Roey> $  ls -al /etc/alternatives/locate
[05:21] <Roey> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Jun 19 00:13 /etc/alternatives/locate -> /usr/bin/plocate
[05:21] <lagunaloire> Roey...ok the links are good...so what does ls -al /usr/bin/plocate say
[05:22] <Roey> $ ls -al /usr/bin/plocate
[05:22] <Roey> -rwxr-sr-x 1 root plocate 314k Jun 24 12:50 /usr/bin/plocate
[05:22] <Roey> it's setuserid? hrm.
[05:22] <rob0> sgid
[05:22] <Roey> sgid, aye
[05:23] <rob0> which makes sense
[05:23] <Roey> ok
[05:23] <lagunaloire> Roey..yes ok...all the execubles/libs/and permissions are ok...so maybe it is just a configuration file error
[05:25] <Roey> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/h3SR6ydTvV/
[05:25] <Roey> lagunaloire: ^
[05:28] <lagunaloire> Roey..what do you have on ls -al /usr/sbin/plocate-build
[05:29] <Roey> $ ls -al /usr/sbin/plocate-build
[05:29] <Roey> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 48k Jun 24 12:50 /usr/sbin/plocate-build
[05:29] <lagunaloire> Roey..yes that looks ok too
[05:29] <Roey> ok
[05:30] <lagunaloire> Roey...i am thinking you might use the man page and try to set a database path for a known file like gcc and see if that produces a better result
[05:30] <lagunaloire> Roey with the command line options for it
[05:31] <Roey> I checked the manpage didn't find info on that
[05:31] <lagunaloire> Roey ...in all of this forking crap....plocate-build has to take the mlocate index and change it to a plocate index
[05:31] <lagunaloire> Roey type man 1 plocate
[05:32] <Roey> ohhhhh ok
[05:33] <lagunaloire> Roey do you see anything with man 1 plocate and man 8 plocate-build
[05:33] <Roey> $ sudo plocate-build mlocate-bad/mlocate.db.H8US0w mlocate/plocate.db
[05:33] <Roey> now that's running.
[05:33] <Roey> "getc: Success
[05:33] <Roey> "
[05:34] <Roey> lol, locate gcc still produced nothing
[05:34] <Roey> it did creat though a file, -rw-r----- 1 root plocate 954 Nov 20 23:53 plocate.db
[05:35] <Roey> alright. I'm going to bed
[05:35] <Roey> it's quite late here for me
[05:35] <Roey> good night, thank you lagunaloire, and I'lls ee you tomorow
[05:35] <lagunaloire> Roey...yes ok...work on it later
[05:36] <Roey> lagunaloire: and again, much thanks for your help tonight :)
[05:39] <Diagon> squarecircle / a couple with 8 & 6 drives: https://www.google.com/shopping/product/12431015999517251987?q=nas+storage+%222.5%22+drives&biw=1920&bih=915&uact=5&oq=nas+storage+%222.5%22+drives&gs_lcp=Cgtwcm9kdWN0cy1jYxADMggIABAWEB4QGDoLCAAQgAQQsQMQgwE6BQgAEIAEOgQIABADOgcIABCABBAYOgoIABAWEB4QDxAYSgQIQRgAUABYhXRg8YQBaABwAHgAgAGcAYgB9guSAQQyMy4xmAEAoAEBwAEB&sclient=products-cc&prds=eto:1780320826506727269_0,pid:2014974786774581262,rsk:PC_15477666915147656363&sa=X&v
[05:39] <Diagon> ed=0ahUKEwiVnKDnwb77AhUQMUQIHerdCTUQ8wII6g8
[05:39] <Diagon> https://www.google.com/shopping/product/1539650020837371945?q=nas+storage+%222.5%22+drives&biw=1920&bih=915&uact=5&oq=nas+storage+%222.5%22+drives&gs_lcp=Cgtwcm9kdWN0cy1jYxADMggIABAWEB4QGDoLCAAQgAQQsQMQgwE6BQgAEIAEOgQIABADOgcIABCABBAYOgoIABAWEB4QDxAYSgQIQRgAUABYhXRg8YQBaABwAHgAgAGcAYgB9guSAQQyMy4xmAEAoAEBwAEB&sclient=products-cc&prds=eto:6147131553378451707_0,pid:1151383306563752204,rsk:PC_16740845257526892778&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiVnKDnwb77AhUQMUQIHerdCTUQ8wII1RA
[05:40] <rob0> Diagon: did you know you can trim everything in those URLs from the ? to the snd?
[05:41] <Diagon> rob0/ cool, thanks.
[05:42] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om ok i got the file..let me burn it to dvd and see what screengrab says
[05:45] <Bashing-om> lagunaloire: waiting :D
[05:45] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om...ok i will burn it now...i got tied up looking into that strange mlocate issue that has never been a problem for more than 25 years on linux
[05:59] <ChrisTheMangoman> Hi, Im trying to change my Lubuntu 22.04 Login screen, is there an easy way to do that?
[06:02] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om ok it burned successfully with brasero so let me go boot it up
[06:03] <guiverc[m]> ChrisTheMangoman: the only GUI tools require more of KDE to be installed (Kubuntu also uses `sddm` thus why KDE tools allow it).   Lubuntu config is mentioned here - https://manual.lubuntu.me/lts/3/3.1/3.1.8/sddm_configuration.html  but it's via text editor changes
[06:06] <guiverc[m]> (the work on a easy method for LXQt is still in test; refer https://github.com/lxqt/sddm-config-editor thus not added in Lubuntu)
[06:06] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om well it is trying to boot but they are using quiet with a splash so i can't see what is happening
[06:06] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om but the kernel is live because ctrl-alt-del produces a reboot
[06:08] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om so maybe just wait about 10 minutes to boot
[06:08] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om i can't see what is happening at the kernel level
[06:08] <ravage> lagunaloire: you can hit ESC when you see the boot screen. that shows the messages
[06:09] <Bashing-om> lagunaloire: What version ? As with 22.04 (x)ubuntu - takes a verry long time for me for the cd to boot up !
[06:10] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om i think it said kinetic something 22.10
[06:10] <lagunaloire> well one message i saw said failed to start disk manager
[06:11] <lagunaloire> and failed to start modem manager
[06:11] <lagunaloire> and failed to start snap daemon
[06:12] <lagunaloire> also unable to read RDB block 8
[06:14] <Bashing-om> lagunaloire: Yukkie - seems will have to verify the .ISO integrity as a 1st step.
[06:14] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om yes i already did that...with brasero it was successful...i think it uses the standard md5sum or maybe sha512 but anyway it checked ok
[06:15] <Bashing-om> lagunaloire: if guiverc[m] is hanging with us - he is the Lubuntu guru :D
[06:16] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om i think it is still trying to proceed with what it can for booting...but i can't see what is going on
[06:17] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om well i tried putting a lxqt desktop on bionic..it was ok but i had buffer problems with the lubuntu terminal program when i held a key and let it repeat...it would come to a stop...so i gave up on it
[06:18] <Bashing-om> lagunaloire: sometimes alt+F4 will get the install terminal.
[06:19] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om no..that doesnt work...the place to boot properly is in the kernel boot command line options...so you can see what is happening...but its too late for that
[06:19] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om i guess ubuntu is trying to keep it secret with all that quiet splash crap in the way
[06:20] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om i forget the option because it is a complicated systemd issue...but i could find out later
[06:21] <Bashing-om> lagunaloire: The installers they are achang'n :(
[06:22] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om i think it is still trying to boot..so i will just keep waiting a while
[06:25] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om yes i think it is still trying to proceed with a boot becuase i see a mouse pointer on the screen
[06:25] <Bashing-om> lagunaloire: As curious as I be - I am going the heed the call to bed. Good luck :D
[06:26] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om ok i will see you later...i am going to let this finish and look into screengrab
[06:28] <Bashing-om> lagunaloire: sounds likely to me -- enjoy .
[06:31] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om yes ok if you are still there...screengrab is working on it...there is a picture instead of a black screen like on this version with wayland
[06:31] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om if not i will see you later
[06:37] <lagunaloire> Bashing-om it looks like they fixed the buffer problem with qterminal...i held a key down for about 5 minutes and it did not come to a crawl on repeats...so it has improved
[06:40] <lagunaloire> NeoFAT32...what a nick...most everybody has moved on to exfat instead of the great and reliable fat32
[06:40] <NeoFAT32> Sorry. I'm actually the exFAT.
[06:41] <lagunaloire> NeoFAT32 oh..ok ...it is becoming more popular these days for usbsticks and whatnot
[06:41] <NeoFAT32> Well, it has its perks.
[06:42] <lagunaloire> NeoFAT32 well i can see they made some improvements with the qt desktop
[06:42] <lagunaloire> NeoFAT32 for people who don't want to have to download all those kde libs
[06:42] <NeoFAT32> I was on Mint before, now I prefer to stay on Win10 'cause I'm tired of the lack of functions.
[06:43] <NeoFAT32> Functions that I have to install by myself from random libs.
[06:43] <lagunaloire> NeoFAT32...well win10 is it man...i don't have Genshin Impact working on linux...but it works great on win10
[06:43] <NeoFAT32> Don't know how you can get stuck with that game.
[06:43] <lagunaloire> NeoFAT32...but linux is still fun to goof around with
[06:44] <NeoFAT32> Can only play with other people in dungeon.
[06:44] <lagunaloire> NeoFAT32..hey its great...almost like final fantasy but without the big pricetag
[06:44] <lagunaloire> NeoFAT32 and the girls are great on genshin impact
[06:44] <NeoFAT32> I prefer girls on Facebook. :x
[06:44] <lagunaloire> NeoFAT32...no way...they don't look like anime with big eyes
[06:45] <NeoFAT32> Depends who you are watching on it.
[06:46] <lagunaloire> NeoFAT32 well i guess Olivia Newton John had almost big eyes but they are dead now...but anime lives on and stays young and beautiful
[06:46] <lagunaloire> NeoFAT32 tifa and aeris had great eyes in final fantasy 7...the original
[06:47] <NeoFAT32> Each of us, have its own preferences.
[06:48] <lagunaloire> NeoFAT32 well yes i know...but yuffie was neat too and Rhinoa is an absolute dream in final fantasy 8 original
[06:49] <lagunaloire> NeoFAT32..no i have to say i guess serah is the most beautiful of them all..but it is so sad that she had to die in final fantasy 13 one of the 3 parts of the trilogy
[06:49] <NeoFAT32> Well, I just need a real person. aha
[06:49] <lagunaloire> NeoFAT32 but the girls in genshin impact are great too...and also the girls in dragon warrior series
[06:49] <arraybolt3> lagunaloire, NeoFAT32: Feel free to take this topic to #ubuntu-offtopic.
[06:50] <arraybolt3> (This room is reserved for technical support only in most circumstances.)
[06:50] <lagunaloire> arraybolt3 well i guess they fixed qterminal..looks like it works fine here without technical support...so its good to see some progress made
[06:55] <laguna321> ok let me see if i am in here now with the lubuntu live dvd kinetic whatever
[06:56] <lagunaloire> laguna321 yes ok you are making the trip with that lubuntu desktop
[06:56] <lagunaloire> just talking to myself while i check the lubuntu out
[07:00] <lagunaloire> hmm..ok it has kernel 5.19...not much different than jammy ...i thought they would be at 6.04 or so by now
[07:02] <lagunaloire> but its just for people who don't want to have to download all those kde libs...and it won't have marble or digikam
[07:03] <lagunaloire> its a nice small footprint desktop...but it won't have all the great gnome or kde apps
[07:05] <lagunaloire> i guess i will let it run overnight and talk to Bashing-om about it tomorrow
[07:07] <lagunaloire> and i don't know how the lubuntu people can live without marble or some way of getting maps to go wherever you need to go with specific directions on how to get there and what traffic problems you might encounter on the way and if detours become necessary
[07:11] <lagunaloire> timely detour paths and information if unforeseen accidents or other problems arise while you are in route...so that you can detour around the blockage and get to where you need to go on time
[07:12] <lagunaloire> i don't know how lubuntu can live without those features
[07:18] <lagunaloire> and i sure don't see how the lubuntu people can exist without being able to play genshin impact
[07:19] <maad-lad> Um.. Hello?
[07:20] <ChrisTheMangoman> yeeees
[07:20] <ChrisTheMangoman> whats ur question
[07:22] <lagunaloire> now Tsar Nicholas II and his wife and all of his young daughters can't play genshin impact because all those young girls were murdered by the white army...during the Bolshevik Revolution for Communist Russia...so it is tragic that they cannot play genshin imnpact
[07:22] <lagunaloire> where reality is far different than the disney movie anastasia
[07:24] <maad-lad> my question is that this is awesome. I made ubuntu look like Windows Xp and it's great
[07:25] <lagunaloire> maad-lad...well tails-os has been doing that for many many years...as a camoflage so no one can tell they are using onion routing
[07:25] <lagunaloire> maad-lad..they like to hide and look to others like they are using xp
[07:25] <maad-lad> is he being careful with it?
[07:26] <maad-lad> im a hacker to u know
[07:26] <lagunaloire> maad-lad...no it is necessary for undercover onion routing to be disguised as xp
[07:26] <maad-lad> lagunaloire...why xp?
[07:27] <lagunaloire> maad-lad because there has never been a better os than xp and there never will be a better one
[07:28] <lagunaloire> maad-lad but xp did not have onion routing to hide from the government scrutiny
[07:28] <maad-lad> lagunaloire...true. i'll becoming here often so if anyone wants anything... just yell
[07:29] <maad-lad> can we start a chat pls?
[07:30] <lagunaloire> maad-lad where at
[07:30] <maad-lad> should i make a new one
[07:30] <lagunaloire> maad-lad just pick a chat room that is devoted to interesting stuff
[07:31] <maad-lad> where then? im new here.
[07:31] <lagunaloire> maad-lad...well there is #gentoo-chat and #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:32] <lagunaloire> maad-lad just type /join #gentoo-chat      on your command line here
[07:32] <lagunaloire> maad-lad for interesting stuff
[08:09] <ADF_CYBER> hello
[08:10] <ADF_CYBER> if lagunaloire is on, i meant the other guy not you, doctor. i was getting up him for calling u names
[08:26] <Angs> when I right click on a directory and press "open in terminal", it starts ubuntu's terminal emulator. I'd like it to run terminator emulator instead. How can I do it? I changed my default emulator by sudo update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator but I guess something needs to change on nautilus settings? Does anyone know what I should change for it?
[08:28] <ADF> hello. can i speak to a chanop pls?
[08:38] <silv3r_m00n> hi there
[08:38] <silv3r_m00n> when i run sysbench memory test with more than 1 thread, it reports far higher ram speeds than actual. hows this possible. for e.g. sysbench memory --memory-block-size=1M --memory-total-size=20G --memory-oper=write --memory-access-mode=seq --threads=4 run
[08:38] <silv3r_m00n> on my system the ram speed should be around 25000 MiB/s but it reports 65128.55 MiB/sec
[09:34] <morgan-u2> sudo apt install ubuntu-tweaks   ,[09:38] <lotuspsychje> morgan-u2: gnome-tweaks s the package name
[09:44] <morgan-u2> thanks lotus.
[10:36] <RaimondRaj> tomreyn
[10:36] <RaimondRaj> are u there
[10:36] <RaimondRaj> i need a guide from you ]
[10:37] <RaimondRaj> E: Package 'libssl1.0.0' has no installation candidate
[10:38] <ravage> RaimondRaj: you want libssl3 and/or libssl-dev
[10:38] <RaimondRaj> ravage
[10:38] <Diagon> can anyone help on a new install to a machine with Optimus?  In my Additional Drivers gui, I'm seeing "Continue using a manually installed driver".   The other options (nvidia-driver-390 and xserver-xorg-video-nouveau) are greyed out.
[10:39] <RaimondRaj> im running a unrealircd went ever i need to start iss show this ( /home/server/unrealircd/bin/unrealircd: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.1.0.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:40] <ravage> i told you you have to recompile it
[10:40] <RaimondRaj> i think the libssl are issing
[10:40] <ravage> and sent you the link
[10:40] <RaimondRaj> re compile
[10:40] <RaimondRaj> i check is nothing
[10:40] <RaimondRaj> recompile the unreal conf
[10:40] <ravage> no. the server itself
[10:40] <RaimondRaj> wich server do u mean
[10:41] <ravage> unrealircd
[10:41] <RaimondRaj> haaa
[10:41] <RaimondRaj> server.conf
[10:41] <ravage> no. but this is off topic here. they have an irc channel. seek support there
[10:42] <RaimondRaj> error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.1.0.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:42] <RaimondRaj> is that ubuntu problem or unrealircd problem
[10:42] <ravage> unrealircd problem
[10:42] <RaimondRaj> oh okk
[10:50] <skybreez> Hi, My Bluetooth usb dongle does not appear in status bar. I have to remove and insert it several times to make it appear in status bar. Please guide me how to fix. I'm new to Ubuntu.
[11:18] <Diagon> I see, it's expected that nomodeset will degrade GPU functionality - so what do I do about nvidia not playing well with wayland?  (Ubuntu 22.04)
[11:24] <ogra> Diagon, complain to nvidia ? (there is a reason why wayland is not the default on nvidia card in ubuntu yet, it is simply not ready)
[11:24] <ogra> *cards
[11:27] <Diagon> So if I want to use the nvidia GPU, how do I set things so I'm using X?
[11:28] <Diagon> I mean severly crippling my graphics is not the solution, obviously.
[11:31] <EriC^^> Diagon: sudo ubuntu-drivers devices   should show the recommended nvidia driver
[11:32] <Diagon> Eric, thanks.  I did ubuntu-drivers install <...390> and it said all available drivers are already installed.
[11:33] <EriC^^> Diagon: what's the output of 'sudo ubuntu-drivers devices' ?
[11:33] <EriC^^> you can use use sudo ubuntu-drivers devices | nc termbin.com 9999   to paste it
[11:33] <Diagon> manual_install: True
[11:33] <Diagon> driver   : nvidia-driver-390 - distro non-free recommended
[11:33] <Diagon> driver   : xserver-xorg-video-nouveau - distro free builtin
[11:33] <EriC^^> ah
[11:34] <Diagon> I've never used nvidia before.  I stuck with iGPU.  I wasn't able to boot and was told about wayland/X and the suggestion was to use nomodeset.  I'm at a loss as to what to do now.
[11:35] <gebbione> Ansible on Ubuntu question, I asked in Ansible but maybe you know the answer. Can someone point out what are the foreign python installations mentioned by Manfred here? https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/703862 That .ansible path looks like a folder where ansible would keep work files or something? Is it safe to delete it?
[11:41] <ogra> Diagon, on the graphical login screen, when you click your user, there should be a little gear ... if you click that you can select "Ubuntu" (which is wayland) or "Ubuntu on Xorg" ... on nvidia systms that use the non-free driver the Xorg session should be used automatically without you doing anything though
[11:43] <ogra> Diagon, you can find our which type of session yu are in by opening a terminal on the desktop and running "echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE"
[11:43] <Diagon> My issue was that I was just getting a black screen with a cursor in the upper left.  I could get to the point of choosing between the two.  I could get to a console with C-A-F2.  So I was told to use nomodeset.
[11:44] <Diagon> I tried that before and I was running X.
[11:45] <Diagon> Yup.  Still X.
[11:45] <ogra> well, then you are fine
[11:45] <Diagon> But I'm not because my display is so laggy as to almost be unusable.
[11:46] <ogra> well, wayland would just make it unstable alongside with that ...
[11:46] <ogra> but there seems to be something with your driver if it is laggy
[11:47] <Diagon> journalctl -b tells me that video will be severely effected if using nomodeset.
[11:47] <Diagon> It is severely effected.
[11:47] <ogra> yes
[11:47] <Diagon> So there's at least one problem.
[11:48] <ogra> and if you turn it off you dont get graphics at all ?
[11:48] <Diagon> Correct.
[11:48] <Diagon> Just a black screen.
[11:48] <ogra> (nomodeset pretty much disables most features of your driver)
[11:48] <ogra> what card is that exactly ?
[11:48] <Diagon> I've never dealt with nvidi before ...
[11:50] <ogra> ubuntu-drivers devices should have a line saying "model"
[11:50] <ogra> (would ave helped if you had done what EriC^^ said above and pasted the whole ouput of it to termbin with the commend he gave you)
[11:50] <ogra> *command
[11:51] <Diagon> Here it is ... GF108M [NVS 5400M]
[11:52] <Diagon> Still needed?
[11:52] <Diagon> https://termbin.com/9gem
[11:52] <ogra> well, you only give ius pieces of the output ... that mans we need to ask for each line ...
[11:53] <Diagon> I copied that stuff by hand ...
[11:54] <ogra> why ?
[11:54] <Diagon> Because it's another machine
[11:54] <ogra> not networked ?
[11:54] <Diagon> it's networked.  I just gave you the termbin
[11:54] <ogra> "ubuntu-drivers devices | nc termbin.com 9999" will just pipe it to termbin for you
[11:54] <ogra> so you dont need to copy anything by hand 🙂
[11:55] <Diagon> I had done it for someone else
[11:55] <Diagon> ... but this isn't getting us anywhere ...
[11:55] <ogra> anyway, a bit of googling points out that you should not use nomodeset, but instead "nvidia-drm.modeset=1"
[11:55] <ogra> ... on that particular card ...
[11:56] <ogra> (seems to work on 20.04 at least ... according to the nvidia forum)
[11:56] <Diagon> ah.  I should also get ride of i915.modeset=0 and nouveau.modeset=0?  (That was from the Arch docs.)
[11:57] <ogra> urgh, yeah
[11:57] <ogra> ba careful with just copying stuff from other distros
[11:57] <ogra> *be
[11:57] <Diagon> K.  I'll try.  Can you link me to the forum.  I clearly had no idea what to search on.
[11:57] <ogra> https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/glitching-with-gf108m-geforce-gt-540m-nvidia-driver-390-non-free/176178
[11:58] <ogra> (3rd hit when googling 'nvidia "GF108M" ubuntu' ...)
[11:58] <Diagon> Before I do that ..
[11:58] <Diagon> I'm confused how ubuntu-drivers install <...390> tells me all available drivers are installed, but ..
[11:58] <Diagon> aptitude show <...390> says that the driver isn't installed.
[11:58] <Diagon> ?
[12:00] <ogra> try "dpkg -l | grep nvidia"
[12:00] <ogra> aptitude isnt the tool i'd use
[12:01] <Diagon> :thumbs-up:
[12:03] <Diagon> Nope.  nvidia-drm.modeset=1  leaves me with a black screen.  I can get a console....
[12:05] <Diagon> output of that dpkg command: https://termbin.com/ufyk
[12:07] <ogra> and "sudo apt install nvidia-driver-390" does not install it ?
[12:07] <ogra> (you seem to be having parts of the dependencies installed, but not the package itself)
[12:10] <Diagon> Odd.  Shouldn't the installer have done that when I told it to use non-free software?  and what's up with ubuntu-drivers telling me everything availabe was installed?
[12:10] <Diagon> I'll try apt.
[12:12] <Diagon> Should I go with nvidia-driver-binary, and have that select -390 for me?
[12:12] <ogra> just try the command i gave above
[12:13] <ogra> it is a meta package and should pull in everything it needs
[12:21] <Diagon> ogra!  That worked!... and I'm still using X....  So if I want to try nouveau, what's the best approach?
[12:24] <Diagon> Does nouveau work on wayland?
[12:25] <ogra> you'd uninstall or blacklist the nvidia driver ... nouveau was what was in use right after install befor you tinkered with adding the driver ... did that work well ?
[12:27] <ogra> and yes, nouveau will work on wayland but your graphics cards features will not be fully utilized (because nouveau is reverse-eingineered from the nvidia driver)
[12:28] <lotuspsychje> i agree, an optimus card should use the nvidia driver
[12:29] <Diagon> I didn't do anything with the driver until adding 390 just now.  Before that the only thing I did was add nomodeset, as I was told to do and which did allow me to boot.
[12:30] <Diagon> Only reason I actually want to use nvidia at all is that to get the displayport to work on this thinkpad, I need to use the discreet GPU.
[12:31] <Diagon> So I'm wondering if nouveau would do it.
[12:32] <Diagon> So what do we do for optimus?  can we switch back and forth between the two gpu's?
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> i told you that yesterday Diagon
[12:35] <FullMetalStacker> Hi, since updating 20.04 LTS to 20.10 my bluetooth speakers connect but disconnect within 1 second again. Any idea how I can fix that again?
[12:36] <Diagon> Ya, thanks lotuspsychje.  That did allow me to boot.  Now I'm wondering, if it was using nouveau on first install, is there a problem with that driver?  Will it freeze if I switch?
[12:51] <pickanick> apt upgrade returned errors:   Error in `/usr/share/doc-base/libflac-doc.libflac-doc-api', line 10: all `Format' sections are invalid.  Error in `/usr/share/doc-base/libflac-doc.libflac-doc-web', line 14: all `Format' sections are invalid.
[12:53] <pickanick> Warning in `/usr/share/doc-base/libflac-doc.libflac-doc-api', line 10: file `/usr/share/doc/libflac-doc/html/api/index.html' does not exist.  Warning in `/usr/share/doc-base/libflac-doc.libflac-doc-web', line 14: file `/usr/share/doc/libflac-doc/html/index.html' does not exist.
[12:58] <pickanick> (how) Can I downgrade the docs without downgrading the main package?
[12:59] <skybreez> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/zPzCIGFV
[13:00] <pickanick> oh wait, the earlier version also had errors at installation: " Package libflac-doc is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
[13:02] <pickanick> how can I know which is correct? What can I do?
[13:04] <ogra> pickanick, why dd you install the -doc package in the frst place ? are you developing libflac using code ?
[13:04] <ogra> *did
[13:05] <ogra> (just installig libflac (or libflac-dev) does not install -doc)
[13:24] <Diagon> Is this the way to switch to nouveau?
[13:24] <Diagon> echo 'blacklist nvidia' >>/etc/modprobe.d/BLACKLIST-video.conf
[13:28] <rob0> If that is the name of the module, that should do it. However, I think the proprietary driver would not be installed by default. I'd suggest removing it, because there might be X11 parts to work with the nvidia hardware driver.
[13:36] <Diagon> thanks rob0.
[13:37] <xatrix> Hi, can you advice ? I have Ubuntu 22.04 amd64. How can i remove all of this packages to make my system sanity ? I mean to stay only on amd64 ?
[13:37] <xatrix> https://imgur.com/iRk1W9j.png
[13:38] <xatrix> I'm sorry. https://pastebin.com/JM5nQWwQ
[13:38] <leftyfb> xatrix: sudo apt remove --purge --autoremove wine*
[13:46] <xatrix> Pls, advice
[13:46] <leftyfb> xatrix: I just did
[13:49] <oerheks>  Remove all i386 packages: apt-get purge ".*:i386"  and after that; dpkg --remove-architecture i386
[13:49] <pickanick> ogra I would like to convert WAV to FLAC and I thought that those docs might help to do it
[13:49] <ogra> xatrix, all tehse packages are needed for wine, older printer drivers, windows based games and whatnot ... if you are 100% sure you do not need them, just remove wine:i386 folleoed by an apt autoremove
[13:50] <ogra> *followed
[13:51] <ogra> pickanick, i doubt that ... these docs are for programmers wanting to use the C library in their code ... in any case file a bug though not sure anyone is aware these two docs are not properly formatted
[13:51] <ogra> pickanick, for convertion i'd use something like ffmpeg, it uses libflac in the backend
[13:51] <ogra> *conversion
[13:52] <ogra> and there shoudl be plenty of examples when googling
[13:53] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:55] <pickanick> ogra thanks
[13:56] <xatrix> oerheks: sorry. E: Unable to locate package .*:i386 E: Couldn't find any package by glob '.*'
[13:57] <oerheks> xatrix, then you have none, after removal of wine
[13:57] <oerheks> go to step 2
[13:58] <xatrix> oerheks: i'm not sure, but ?
[13:58] <xatrix> https://paste.debian.net/1261373/
[13:58] <xatrix> sudo apt list --installed | grep "i386"
[13:58] <ogra> pickanick, second hit on google: https://www.ryananddebi.com/2021/07/18/linux-batch-convert-wav-to-flac/
[13:59] <ogra> xatrix, sudo apt autoremove
[14:00] <ogra> xatrix, though looking at your list, you seem to have had some wine PPA enabled that is now disabled
[14:00] <ogra> (there is a bunch of packages marked "local")
[14:03] <oerheks> those commands work fine here
[14:11] <xatrix> ogra: autoremove says i have nothing to
[14:13] <oerheks> maybe your wine is a snap package?"
[14:14] <xatrix> oerheks: yea, i had to remove
[14:14] <xatrix> "." at the start
[14:14] <xatrix> https://pastebin.com/KCRJ7xuz
[14:17] <oerheks> *:i386
[14:20] <xatrix> Yea, but it doesn't give me a chance to remove. It says i can break the system
[14:24] <pickanick> great, thanks ogra
[14:39] <ogra> oerheks, the wine snap is self containing, it would not install any deb on your machine ever ...
[14:46] <cacib> hi
[15:03] <xatrix> still have no idea, can i force removal of this packages or not ?
[15:03] <xatrix> https://pastebin.com/cAhP6rqv
[15:05] <ogra> yes, you can
[15:06] <ogra> it will remove wine, all i386 based printer drivers, any other proprietary drivers that might need i386 support etc etc ... but it should not break your system unless anything of tis came from some PPA you have removed by now
[15:12] <squarecircle> Diagon: yup, its 3.5" but its the best approach I see, at the moment
[15:12] <xatrix> ogra: ok. thanks. i'll try to
[15:13] <Diagon> squarecircle - check out these NAS's https://geekworm.com/collections/nas-storage?constraint=25-inch-SSD+Raspberry-Pi-4&view=all
[15:52] <Angs> I am using an ultra-wide screen on ubuntu 22.04. Does anyone know any good tool to split screens such as Samsung Easy Box for Windows?
[16:12] <jhutchins> Angs: No idea what a windows tool would do, but you can have multiple windows and workspaces on a single screen.  Mist desktops like gnome offer settings tools to set up your workspace.
[16:12] <skybreez> How to hack Ubuntu 22.04 to make my USB Bluetooth dongle work properly. Sometimes dongle is detected. Sometimes it does not. But pendrive is working fine in the USB port.
[16:12] <jhutchins> Angs: Many people here will not be familiar with Windows. or Windows apps and utilities.
[16:13] <Angs> jhutchins, do you know the name of the package that I need to install?
[16:13] <jhutchins> Angs: Should be part of the regular gnome desktop.
[16:14] <jhutchins> Angs: Again, I have no idea what the tool you meantioned does.
[16:15] <jhutchins> Angs: I haven't actually used Windows since Windows 95 ca 2006.
[16:15] <Angs> jhutchins, it splits the work areas automatically. I found this by searching your suggestion https://github.com/paperwm/PaperWM this is what I wanted. Thank you
[16:15] <jhutchins> Angs: It's more a matter of configuring your settings rather than finding an app that does it for you, but good luck.
[16:17] <Angs> jhutchins, do you know what settings are there to configure? I don't see such tiling options under the settings.
[16:19] <jhutchins> A contradiction to my earlier statement: https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-best-tiling-window-managers-for-linux-and-what-they-can-do-for-you/
[16:20] <jhutchins> I think you can do tiling with gnome, but I don't and don't know how.
[16:20] <Macwinner> i'm migrating over to Ubuntu from centos. I noticed somethign strange in my iTerm2 session.  If I paste commands from clipboard on the Ubuntu terminal, they dont automatically run.. I have to actually hit the Enter key.  They look highlighted until I hit enter
[16:20] <Angs> thanks, I think you helped me to find out the correct tool. Thank you.
[16:20] <Macwinner> anyone know what this is called so I can google for it?
[16:21] <jhutchins> Macwinner: Unless you copy the <cr> at the end of a line they won't execute.
[16:21] <jhutchins> Macwinner: Centos' shell may handle them differently.
[16:21] <Macwinner> jhutchins: but I am copying them.. if I paste them into my centos shell session, they run.. when I paste into the ubuntu sessions they text looks highlighted until i hit enter
[16:22] <jhutchins> Macwinner: How does a shell know when you're finished entering options?
[16:22] <Macwinner> jhutchins: might be a bash version thing?
[16:22] <jhutchins> Macwinner: Might not even be bash.
[16:23] <Macwinner> jhutchins: so I login into 2 servers, both with iTerm2 the same way.  I go to clipboard on my mac, copy a multiline command which has CRs in them..  Paste on the centos session executes commands as expected. paste in ubuntu session highlights the text until i manually hit enter.. then it runs all the commands
[16:25] <rob0> I'd guess the Ubuntu terminal is replacing the <cr> with ; internally
[16:25] <Macwinner> rob0: interesting.. it actually does seem like that based on the behavior
[16:26] <rob0> You could maybe try another terminal.
[16:27] <Macwinner> looks like i found someone else with similar issue: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=263721
[16:29] <Macwinner> rob0: i added "set enable-bracketed-paste off" to /etc/inputrc and it seems to have fixed it
[16:33] <bodiccea> I have a japanese keyboard and would like to remap some keys. However, while checking the "left Windows" keycode with "xev", it appears that that key sends two KeyPress events (keycode 64 (Alt_L) then keycode 127 (Pause), then two KeyRelease events for these 2 keycodes. How is that ?
[16:33] <ogra> Macwinner, it is a GNOME thing, they disabled auto-execution of pastes in the lastest releases for gnome-terminal due to "security reasons"
[16:37] <jhutchins> Macwinner: Good work!  That's the way you Linux!
[16:38] <Macwinner> ogra: got it, thanks!
[16:39] <ioria> Macwinner, honestly, i suggest to just use ~/.inputrc not the global one
[16:40] <jhutchins> ioria: Wouldn't want to disturb all those other users on your system.
[16:41] <Macwinner> ioria: good idea! will do that instead
[17:02] <ericus> Question: how would I easily switch between two tagged vlans in Ubuntu 22.04?
[17:03] <ericus> Not combine them, just use one or another
[17:05] <oerheks> use 2 profiles?
[17:08] <ericus> oerheks but how to?
[17:11] <oerheks> as you do not want to combine them, see this example https://www.sysorchestra.com/network-locations-with-multiple-vlans-on-linux-mint/
[17:12] <ericus> oerheks yeah those linux mint options are not available in ubuntu
[17:13] <oerheks> you might need to install the vlan package first?
[17:14] <oerheks> !info vlan
[17:14] <ericus> I did
[18:11] <elias_a> Is there a way to configure the screenshot utility of 20.04 to save screenshot directly to a file? I am missing the old press one button and that's it approach.
[18:13] <leftyfb> elias_a: on 20.04, I hit the "print screen" button on my keyboard and it takes a screenshot of my entire desktop and saves it to a file in my Pictures directory named: "Screenshot from 2022-11-21 13-12-54.png"
[18:16] <elias_a> leftyfb: Sorry. My mistake. I am running 20.04.1 and this version opens a tool where you can choose between a selection, whole screen etc. Problem is: the picture is put to cliboard an not saved as a file. Can this be configured to behave differently?
[18:17] <leftyfb> elias_a: do you mean 22.04.1?
[18:17] <ogra> yeah, sounds like 22.04
[18:18] <ogra> ... where the screenshot sits in your paste buffer by defaut and doesnt write a png
[18:18] <ogra> *default
[18:18] <elias_a> Oh - you are right. It is 22.04.1 :)
[18:19] <leftyfb> elias_a: that also writes out the same file to the same directory
[18:19] <elias_a> Is there a way to modify it to save to file? I find it a bit complicated to open Gimp every time.
[18:20] <elias_a> leftyfb: Oh - what is the default directory? /Pictures ?
[18:20] <leftyfb> ~/Pictures/
[18:20] <leftyfb> ~/Pictures/Screenshots ... let me see if it's soemthing I configured myself
[18:21] <elias_a> Should have read release notes. :)
[18:22] <elias_a> leftyfb: It is ~/Pictures/Screenshots  :)
[18:22] <ogra> bah ! TIL !!!!
[18:22]  * ogra hands a spare beer to leftyfb 
[18:22] <elias_a> It used to be ~/Pictures and I got lost. :P
[18:24] <elias_a> Thank you!
[19:37] <Sircle> Any recommendations on a decent ubuntu compatible webcam or some sort of device, phone, dedicated video recorder that can shoot high quality production videos in low light? whats the starting point/lowest budget for this?
[19:38] <oerheks> iphone 14?
[19:39] <Sircle> oerheks ok
[19:41] <Sircle> oerheks is that a better ROI than a dedicated camera? 4k?
[19:43] <oerheks> high quality and low light .. maybe there are other devices
[19:51] <Sircle> oerheks I have similar to this and its really not good. https://www.logitech.com/en-au/products/webcams/c920-pro-hd-webcam.960-000770.html
[20:52] <wad> Anyone here use mysql? When I install the command-line client (apt install mysql-client-core-8.0) it uninstalls mysql-workbench-community, and when I install the workbench, it uninstalls the command-line client. Is there any way to have both installed at the same time?
[20:56] <deego> wad: Try apt install A B  both pkg names in that one command. If there's a solution, it might find it then.
[21:05] <wad> I figured out that mysql-workbench includes a command-line client, but it's in a different directory, and not in my path. So I added /usr/lib/mysql-workbench to my path, and I'm good now. :)
[21:16] <dman777> I nocted the media keys.... volume buttons and cal button does not work in ubuntu. When I use xev the key presses do no show up. Why is that?
[22:38] <jhutchins> dman777: Your hardware does not support linux.
[22:38] <jhutchins> dman777: What brand/model keyboard are you using?
[22:39] <jhutchins>  dman777: Application buttons like "cal" wouldn't work anyway, there's no microsoft program for them to call.
[22:39] <jhutchins> dman777: You might be able to get things like volume and maybe brightness to work, those are more standard.
[22:40] <jhutchins> Sigh.  I should check the timestamps.
[22:42] <dman777> jhutchins: I am using a Ducky Shine 7 mech keyboard
[23:18] <jhutchins> dman777: They might have ubuntu support files.
[23:29] <marcopolo1> if i download ubuntu on my pc, will my usb wifi still work
[23:30] <gry> Hi marcopolo1, can you test it in live mode - before installing?
[23:32] <marcopolo1> gry, whats live mode
[23:33] <gry> marcopolo1: an Ubuntu running from external media, such as a usb or a CD, when it is not installed onto your PC yet.
[23:33] <gry> marcopolo1: that's called live mode.
[23:33] <jhutchins> Running off of a USB or CD with the downloaded image.
[23:33] <gry> marcopolo1: it is useful for testing your wireless, sound, and the like before starting to install.
[23:34] <jhutchins> marcopolo1: Most WiFi hardware will work in Linux, some requires a little extra work.
[23:34] <jhutchins> marcopolo1: (It will, of course, still work in Windows.)
[23:48] <usernamenetwork> !help