[00:50] <mmikowski> Schmo> fwiw, it still sounds like this may be fast boot, which IIRC can prevent the needed initialization for some peripherals like keyboard or mouse.
[05:39] <pickanick>  OS is (Operating System: Kubuntu 22.04 KDE Plasma Version: 5.24.7 KDE Frameworks Version: 5.92.0 Qt Version: 5.15.3)
[05:41] <pickanick> I have an internal wireless card that when used there are frequent errordumps in dmesg ending with ieee80211 phy0: Hardware restart was requested.
[05:42] <pickanick> I tried to attach external USB wireless devices, and they seem to be recognized in dmesg, however I do not see an interface for disabling the internal wireless and using the USB wireless. How can I do that?
[05:43] <arraybolt3> pickanick: If the internal and external wireless devices have different chipsets, you can probably use modprobe to unload the driver for the internal card.
[05:43] <pickanick> System Settings : Connections seems to be hardware independent aside from segregating wired and wireless and bluetooth.
[05:44] <arraybolt3> pickanick:
[05:44] <arraybolt3> Actually, go to that Network Connections page.
[05:44] <arraybolt3> Click on your WiFI network, and select the WiFi tab, then open "Restrict to device".
[05:44] <arraybolt3> See if you can select the right adapter in there.
[05:56] <pickanick> Hmm. only one device appears as an option
[05:56] <pickanick> the internal network.
[05:57] <arraybolt3> Maybe your USB WiFi doesn't have the right drivers installed?
[05:57] <arraybolt3> Many USB WiFi devices use a Realtek chipset, which is notoriously difficult to get working with Linux (though it is possible).
[05:57] <pickanick> quite possibly, I have not used them before, yes Realtek
[05:58] <arraybolt3> Yeah, you'll probably have to figure out the chipset, then find a trusted GitHub repo with a driver you can build from source.
[05:58] <arraybolt3> That's generally the way I've seen it done.
[06:00] <pickanick> Ugh. does anyone make a usb wifi that works out of the box? I have one internal and two USB all Realtek
[06:00] <arraybolt3> Yeah, there's a whole list, lemme find it.
[06:01] <arraybolt3> pickanick:
[06:01] <arraybolt3> https://github.com/morrownr/USB-WiFi/blob/main/home/USB_WiFi_Adapters_that_are_supported_with_Linux_in-kernel_drivers.md
[06:01]  * arraybolt3 keeps hitting Enter rather than Shift...
[06:04] <jj5> hi there. how come Kubuntu 22.04.1 LTS is only supported until April 2025 while Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS is supported until April 2027?
[06:04] <jj5> I'm getting my information from here: https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/
[06:04] <jj5> and here: https://kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/
[06:04] <pickanick> arraybolt3 thank you.  It turns out one of my USB's popped up in Restrict to device, which I didn't realize was there until you pointed it out.  So I'll try that, and if that fails I'll look into the list of other options.
[06:04] <jj5> I mean here: https://ubuntu.com/download/server
[06:05] <arraybolt3> jj5: Because there's only so much work that Kubuntu developers can do. Ubuntu has *way* more developers behind it than Kubuntu does - the work of maintaining an LTS release for just 3 years is pretty hard. An extra 2 years would make it more difficult to make new releases good.
[06:05] <arraybolt3> Basically Canonical takes care of the Ubuntu base, then the flavors are made by the community.
[06:06] <arraybolt3> Canonical has the manpower to keep releases good for 5 years (actually they can do up to 10 years but they charge for the extended support). Kubuntu... not so much so.
[06:06] <jj5> arraybolt3: yeah, I didn't mean to complain or be ungrateful, the reason for my question is that lsb_release -a says Ubuntu and my /etc/apt/sources.list says Ubuntu
[06:06] <arraybolt3> jj5: It's no problem, I didn't take it as a complaint.
[06:07] <arraybolt3> jj5: Technically, Ubuntu uses mostly packages from the Main repository (it might be all Main, but I'm not sure), while Kubuntu uses packages from Universe. Canonical keeps the packages in Main up-to-date for a full five years, while the community generally only works on Universe packages for three years per release.
[06:08] <arraybolt3> (To be clear, all flavors use a lot of packages from the Main repo too, it's just that things like the KDE desktop and apps are in the Universe repository.)
[06:08] <jj5> ah, cool. that makes sense, thanks.
[06:08] <jj5> can you just install kde-plasma on a Ubuntu Server installation and get the Ubuntu LTS to 2027?
[06:09] <arraybolt3> No, because the KDE Plasma stuff is in Universe.
[06:09] <jj5> interesting
[06:09] <arraybolt3> It's the same packages whether you use Kubuntu or start with Ubuntu Server and install KDE after the fact. And those packages are taken care of by the developers for three years.
[06:09] <arraybolt3> (Per release, I mean.)
[06:10] <jj5> okay, good to know, thank you
[06:10] <arraybolt3> Sure thing!
[06:11] <jj5> so if I install kde-plasma on an Ubuntu Server can I say that I'm running Kubuntu?
[06:11] <arraybolt3> Yep.
[06:12] <jj5> great, thanks! :)
[06:32] <jj5> I'm trying to understand the apt repository setup, there's urls for jammy{-updates,-backports} but not jammy-security, this doesn't work: https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy-security/allpackages
[06:32] <jj5> but jammy-security is an option in my sources.list
[06:33] <jj5> a url that does work for example is this one: https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy-updates/allpackages
[06:33] <jj5> the jammy and jammy-backports urls also work
[06:40] <alkisg1> jj5: packages.ubuntu.com is a web site that is unrelated to apt repositories. They show information, but you don't download from there
[06:41] <alkisg1> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ jammy-security universe means you'd use http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ to download the packages; there's a jammy-security folder there
[06:41] <alkisg1> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jammy-security/
[06:42] <jj5> alkisg1: thanks, but my question is why is jammy-security missing from the packages.ubuntu.com website?
[06:43] <alkisg1> jj5: that's an internal thing of canonical, e.g. maybe the security team workflow needs to be faster and doesn't align with the team that maintains that site
[06:43] <alkisg1> It's just a web site though, it shouldn't affect anything you do with apt
[06:44] <jj5> alkisg1: understood, thanks. is there some place I can look to see what's in jammy-security? I'd like to have a complete understanding.
[06:47] <alkisg1> jj5: https://www.linuxuprising.com/2018/11/how-to-list-all-packages-in-repository.html
[06:47] <alkisg1> There's a synaptic version there, and a command line version; use the second one first
[06:48] <jj5> alkisg1: cool, thanks!
[06:50] <alkisg1> jj5: if you prefer to see them as files, they're in there:  /var/lib/apt/lists/
[06:50] <alkisg1> You can open whatever file you want from there and parse it if you need something scripted
[06:51] <jj5> alkisg1: good to know, thank you
[09:04] <alkisg1> Because you can access your router but your router can't access the internet?
[09:23] <user|83> New to Linux, can someone explain 22.04 LTS vs 22.10 Current version?  Do the features in the current version get rolled into the LTS version over time?
[09:27] <arraybolt3> user|83: OK, so...
[09:28] <arraybolt3> user|83: Ubuntu isn't just the OS, but also includes an entire suite of applications in a repository. Most of the time, when you install software into Ubuntu, you use this repository.
[09:28] <arraybolt3> user|83: The versions of software in the repository usually aren't updated, but rather, bugfixes and security fixes are backported to the older versions of software as needed and as possible.
[09:29] <arraybolt3> user|83: This means that you always use older but fixed versions of software, giving you a stable system that also stays secure.
[09:29] <arraybolt3> user|83: Each new version of Ubuntu comes with newer versions of software than the previous versions, giving you more features. So LTS will continue to get more and more *stable* over time, but it won't get new features in most instances. If you need new features, you use a newer release.
[09:30] <arraybolt3> The interim releases (like 22.10) get 9 months of support, then they go end-of-life and you're expected to upgrade. The LTS releases get 3 years of support for flavors of Ubuntu like Kubuntu. Ubuntu Desktop and Ubuntu Server, on the other hand, get 5 years of support. The support period is the time while bugfixes and security fixes are provided.
[09:31] <arraybolt3> Once a release goes out of support, updates will end, either partially or entirely.
[09:32] <arraybolt3> So basically, go with LTS if you need to keep a system secure, don't want to always be upgrading and reinstalling, and can live with older versions of software. Go with the latest release if you're willing to do the upgrade and reinstallaiton maintenance and need the newer versions of stuff.
[09:33] <arraybolt3> (There's a little bit more to some of this stuff, mainly Main/Restricted vs. Universe/Multiverse in the software repository, but most users don't need to worry about that sort of thing.)
[09:34] <iomari891> Greetings, I can't unlock te lock screen. Password not working. No error, just doesnt work. I have to go ti terminal and use "loginctl unlock-sessions". Any suggestions?
[09:34] <user|83> Thank you.  Is there a process for the upgrade of the interim releases or is the OS wiped and new version installed in its place?
[09:34] <arraybolt3> user|83: You can upgrade from an older version of Ubuntu without a total reinstall, using the do-release-upgrade tool. However it's highly recommended to make a backup of your system before trying to do that, since upgrades are known for going awry and you may end up needing to do a full reinstall by the end of it.
[09:35] <arraybolt3> iomari891: Is your system fully updated? I ran into this once but haven't for a while.
[09:35] <user|83> I see.  Thanks again.
[09:36] <iomari891> arraybolt3: kubuntu 22.10. BUt the problem started with 22.04
[09:36] <iomari891> fully updated
[09:37] <arraybolt3> iomari891: I wonder what the system logs say. Maybe you can look at the end of /var/log/syslog just after having the screenlocker fail like this to see if anything interesting gets logged there?
[09:42] <iomari891> arraybolt3: I'll try it now ....
[09:49]  * arraybolt3 has to go afk, if someone else knows what to make of the logs or has any idea, feel free to jump in
[13:24] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:28] <cunguk_> hello world
 Hi, unfortunately I don't know English well and generally use a translator. But okay. The system began to take a lot of RAM. Literally 2/3 GB
[17:13] <rrr> okay I uninstalled hostapd
[17:13] <rrr> still nothing
[17:14] <rrr> I also rebooted. brb
[17:17] <rrr> okay It is back.
[17:17] <rrr> woo
[17:17] <rrr> thank you. your suggestions were most helpful.