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| teledyn[m] | Help! I have fallen from the grace of pipewire-pulse and I can't get back up! A month ago I posted to https://askubuntu.com/questions/1437981/upgrade-to-22-10-pipewire-killed-bluetooth-audio-org-bluez-error-failed-br-conn with no answer although the problem was not BT not accepting the Anker as a speaker, but that in the process of trying to fix that, I killed pipewire-pulse completely, even on a new acct, after login there are no | 23:16 |
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| teledyn[m] | audio devices according to Plasma, but every alsa and hardware check shows I have perfectly good audio hardware, and comparing to another laptop that I didn't break after the upgrade, both have pipewire-pulse running, but the broken machine keeps spitting out plasmashell "audio` kaput" messages. The Ubuntu sound debug pages haven't been updated in years and any guidance I've found on stackexchange, askubuntu etc only cover pulseaudio | 23:16 |
| teledyn[m] | issues. On the broken machine, if I run "pulseaudio -D" I suddenly have devices and can work with Audacity (haven't attempted jackd yet) but this isn't running on the good machine and it should run automatically! So I'm stuck, I don't know where else to ask -- if this isn't the place, feel free to send me elsewhere; after a month of headbanging, another stop along the road won't matter. | 23:16 |
| OvenWerks | teledyn[m]: I am not totally sure what the problem is or perhaps what the starting point is. | 23:34 |
| OvenWerks | pipewire is a new thing ot all of us and at least in ubuntustudio, is not used by default. | 23:35 |
| teledyn[m] | Neither am I. I have audio devices from alsamixer etc, but the Plasma desktop says I have none unless I run "pulseaudio -D" from the command line. My understanding, and my other machine confirms, pulseaudio should NOT be running at all! | 23:35 |
| OvenWerks | I have been playing with pipewire and may be able to help. | 23:36 |
| teledyn[m] | I thought the 22.10 upgrade enabled pipewire instead, at least, pulseaudio is not running on the other laptop I upgraded at the same time. | 23:36 |
| OvenWerks | yes but you started it manually. Pipewire should be able to take pulseaudios place | 23:36 |
| OvenWerks | if you run pactl info | 23:37 |
| teledyn[m] | not on the working machine, on that machine, pipewire-pulse is the only process running, and it is running on the broken machine too. pactl does nothing, it hangs | 23:37 |
| teledyn[m] | unless I manually start pulseaudio | 23:37 |
| OvenWerks | you should see if it is pulse you are seeing or pipewire pretending to be pulse. | 23:37 |
| teledyn[m] | if it was pipewire, why does not fail unless I also run pulseaudio? | 23:38 |
| teledyn[m] | also fuser -v /dev/snd/* shows nothing | 23:38 |
| OvenWerks | on this machine, pactl info shows: Server Name: pulseaudio | 23:39 |
| teledyn[m] | but alsainfo shows everything | 23:39 |
| teledyn[m] | that should read "why does fail unless I also run pulseaudio" | 23:39 |
| OvenWerks | but on my other machine it shows: Server Name: pulseaudio (pipewire) | 23:40 |
| teledyn[m] | let me check the working machine ... | 23:41 |
| OvenWerks | perhaps try ps x |grep pipewire | 23:41 |
| teledyn[m] | pactl info shows Server Name: PulseAudio (on PipeWire 0.3.58) on the working machine, but Connection Refused on the broken machine | 23:42 |
| OvenWerks | Is see three lines of pipewire but the one you want is 5867 ? SLsl 3:46 /usr/bin/pipewire-pulse | 23:42 |
| teledyn[m] | $ ps x |grep pipewire | 23:42 |
| teledyn[m] | 2148 ? S<sl 0:00 /usr/bin/pipewire | 23:42 |
| teledyn[m] | 15678 ? S<sl 0:00 /usr/bin/pipewire-pulse | 23:42 |
| OvenWerks | (different pid of course | 23:42 |
| teledyn[m] | the working machine shows the same | 23:43 |
| OvenWerks | once you have started pulseaudio manually, it may have blocked pw. | 23:44 |
| teledyn[m] | I don't know why folks spend money on suduku or complicated games, they should just run Linux recklessly like I do, endless puzzles | 23:44 |
| OvenWerks | suduko is free on linux too :P | 23:44 |
| teledyn[m] | but if I don't run it, I get no devices, that's the puzzle, there should be devices just running pw | 23:45 |
| teledyn[m] | heh | 23:45 |
| teledyn[m] | so is the psychotherapist if you run emacs | 23:45 |
| teledyn[m] | I might need that later | 23:45 |
| OvenWerks | yes, I don't know how to get systemd to tell you the status of what it has run. | 23:45 |
| teledyn[m] | another part of the puzzle, I thought it might be my home config, so I created a new acct and it has the same issue, that suggests I broke something in /etc/ | 23:46 |
| teledyn[m] | maybe | 23:46 |
| * arraybolt3 suspects something needs `systemctl enable`d | 23:46 | |
| OvenWerks | ls /etc/systemd/user/ | 23:47 |
| teledyn[m] | systemd might have said something in syslog, but mostly syslog is being bombed by those audio kaput messages | 23:47 |
| OvenWerks | does it have any pulseaudio in there | 23:47 |
| teledyn[m] | pipewire-media-session.service | 23:48 |
| teledyn[m] | pipewire.service.wants | 23:48 |
| teledyn[m] | pipewire-session-manager.service | 23:48 |
| teledyn[m] | on the broken machine. | 23:48 |
| teledyn[m] | same on the working one. At the moment I am not running that manual pulseaudio demon | 23:48 |
| teledyn[m] | so no pulseaudio in either. | 23:49 |
| teledyn[m] | I get this, once a second: Nov 28 18:49:23 strata plasmashell[2485]: org.kde.plasma.pulseaudio: context kaput | 23:49 |
| teledyn[m] | I'm sure that must be a clue, but Google has never heard of context kaput | 23:50 |
| arraybolt3[m] | I used to remember how to switch between Pulse and Pipewire, lemme see if I can find it... | 23:50 |
| teledyn[m] | that is from plasmashell, another partner of it is kdeconnectd[2571]: org.kde.pulseaudio: context kaput | 23:51 |
| teledyn[m] | I had started on this by following a guide on switching pulse to pipewire that was meant for 21.04 folks. The upgrade worked when I moved to 22.10, it was later when I broke it following the guide, I got to the part where it said to use pactl and my output was null. | 23:52 |
| OvenWerks | just to make sure, you have not run any of these commands using sudo or logged in as root? | 23:53 |
| OvenWerks | running any of this as root does bad things | 23:53 |
| teledyn[m] | not the demons or pa stuff, only some systemctl restarts etc | 23:54 |
| arraybolt3[m] | teledyn:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/73fc725fd409c6db19de51be7c792f8adbc59af7>) | 23:54 |
| OvenWerks | systemctl --user --now disable pulseaudio.service pulseaudio.socket | 23:54 |
| teledyn[m] | I think I did, but let's do it again: | 23:54 |
| OvenWerks | then systemctl --user mask pulseaudio | 23:54 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Do OvenWerks thing first. | 23:55 |
| OvenWerks | then systemctl --user restart pipewire.socket wireplumber.service pipewire-pulse.service pipewire.service | 23:56 |
| teledyn[m] | seems to me, I did the mask before, replaces the symlink with null, and sadly I didn't get your do this first until I hadn't but it shouldn't matter since pipewire was already running and pulse was not present. | 23:56 |
| teledyn[m] | oh we might have a clue here: Failed to restart wireplumber.service: Unit wireplumber.service is masked | 23:57 |
| teledyn[m] | user unmask that? | 23:57 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Well that would do it. | 23:57 |
| arraybolt3[m] | That definitely should not be masked. | 23:57 |
| arraybolt3[m] | So I'd user unmask it, yes. | 23:58 |
| OvenWerks | yeah, well you have pipewire-media-session.service I think it is either or. but wireplumber is recomended. | 23:58 |
| OvenWerks | I have not tried medi-session | 23:59 |
| teledyn[m] | what is the unmask command? I tried --user unmask wireplumbler.service and it accepted that, but running the first command says it is still masked | 23:59 |
| arraybolt3[m] | I never could get audio at all with media-session. | 23:59 |
| arraybolt3[m] | Then omit the --user and put sudo in front. | 23:59 |
| OvenWerks | no | 23:59 |
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