[01:25] <arraybolt3> patrick_: o/
[01:26] <patrick_> hey bolt
[01:26] <arraybolt3> I miss how super-customizable KDE used to be. Maybe my particular derivative of Kubuntu 14.04 just had a lot of fancy stuff, but I used to customize KDE like *crazy*.
[01:26] <arraybolt3> Kubuntu 22.04 wasn't nearly so customizable for me.
[01:26] <patrick_> haha
[01:26] <arraybolt3> I also miss the Oxygen theme.
[01:27] <patrick_> yeah. 
[01:27] <arraybolt3> Really I miss all of KDE 4, I don't get why people hated it so much and I wish KDE had just stuck there and stayed there forever :P
[01:27] <patrick_> i think thats what i disliked most about it, but thats the beauty of linux right? :)
[01:27] <patrick_> haha
[01:28] <patrick_> kind of feel like Xubuntu and Lubuntu have some of that old school KDE chutzpah
[01:28] <arraybolt3> (re: thats the beauty of linux) Agreed.
[01:28]  * arraybolt3 is currently on Lubuntu
[01:29] <patrick_> i really do feel like KDE is a DE that was WAY ahead of its time
[01:29] <patrick_> yeah. Lubuntu is nice
[01:29] <patrick_> been running a bunch of different cannonical distros on a proxmox server
[01:29] <patrick_> anything that will still run XRDP
[01:30] <arraybolt3> I've tried non-Ubuntu distros before and always ended up back here :P I *just about* jumped ship to Arch back in the day... and then nuked my install on accident and decided "ok this is a bad idea"...
[01:30] <patrick_> haha
[01:30] <patrick_> sounds like me. although, Zorin is pretty nice
[01:30] <arraybolt3> (Lesson learned, force shutdown is *not* the answer to everything!)
[01:31] <patrick_> HAHA!
[01:31] <patrick_> im a deb guy
[01:31] <patrick_> id like to run Arch though, or at least play around with it
[01:31] <patrick_> my love of apt prevents me
[01:31] <patrick_> its either this or BSD
[01:32] <arraybolt3> Once you figure out what you're doing with it, it's really nice, but you have to make your mind work differently for it. Don't come at it as "I'm going to install an OS and then use it", come at it as "I'm going to create an OS from scratch and then use it". Much better results that way, for me personally. I have an Arch VM still that I boot every once in a while, though I will likely never
[01:32] <arraybolt3> use it as a daily driver.
[01:32] <patrick_> wow
[01:32] <patrick_> that intense huh?
[01:33] <arraybolt3> My first successful Arch install was basically KDE everything - I just installed *the whole whopping load* of KDE apps. Ended up with a jumble of broken stuff and eventually a nuked install (though it was the second one I nuked, not the first, I did the two in about the same way).
[01:33] <patrick_> how many hours of work do you think you lost that day?
[01:33] <arraybolt3> Yeah, that intense. My finally good attempt was IceWM + ROX-Filer + a few lightweight apps, in an attempt to make a very minimal installation. It was very much like building an OS from scratch.
[01:34] <arraybolt3> How many hours? Eh, I dunno, about a night's worth, maybe a bit more. I nuked it very soon after making it (like a few days later or so).
[01:38] <patrick_> wow
[01:38] <patrick_> that is definitely crazy, but a pretty sweet learning experience i bet
[01:39] <patrick_> one of the reasons why i love this OS
[01:39] <patrick_> i am, by no means, an expert
[01:39] <arraybolt3> Very much so. Really, though, Arch is a *lot* of work, and Lubuntu and Kubuntu have everything I need and want already for most of my systems. If I were to do Arch again, it would only be for a very targeted usecase that benefited from the ability to build most everything from the ground up.
[01:40] <patrick_> probably why Arch is used in enterprise / dev work right?
[01:40] <arraybolt3> I've never seen Arch in enterprise before.
[01:40] <arraybolt3> For dev work, I think that's probably out of a combination of preference and a need for really new software.
[01:40] <patrick_> im thinking of CentOS
[01:41] <arraybolt3> CentOS is Red Hat, not Arch.
[01:41] <patrick_> yeah
[01:41] <patrick_> i get the two confused sometimes
[01:41] <patrick_> so arch is for the very bleeding edge stuff?
[01:41] <arraybolt3> Yeah, that's one of its main selling points.
[01:42] <patrick_> yeah. thats super cool
[01:42] <patrick_> well, its been a pleasure bolty
[01:42] <patrick_> thanks for the conversation buddy!
[01:42] <arraybolt3> Debian is basically "stay stable and secure at all costs", Ubuntu is "stay secure and stable, be ready for both home use and enterprise use", and Arch is "Stable? Never heard of it. Give me newest of everything!"
[01:42] <arraybolt3> patrick_: Sure, thank you!
[01:42] <patrick_> HAHA
[01:42] <patrick_> so true man, so true
[01:43] <patrick_> take care!
[01:43] <arraybolt3> o/
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:05] <wez> Afternoon lotuspsychje!  How are you today?
[06:53] <webchat88> hi, can someone pls advise how to mount external USB drive without being asked for password - presently I am being asked for password (as user) - I am using Ubuntu 22.04 / Jammy - I searched a lot and tried many links, but didn't help : e.g. https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=122761,
[06:53] <webchat88> https://forum.endeavouros.com/t/how-to-mount-drives-without-password/23432, etc.
[07:01] <arraybolt3> webchat88: This is Ubuntu Desktop, right? Also, this sounds more on-topic for the #ubuntu channel.
[07:01] <webchat88> yes, I posted in the channel there but there was no response
[07:02] <arraybolt3> Ah. I'll respond over there.
[07:02] <webchat88> Thanks ! :)