[00:38] <sarnold> nicoz: you know it :D I'm always preaching the "a low end vm in a datacenter is pretty cheap and reliable" gospel to any who will listen :)
[02:35] <Unit193> sarnold: https://www.vultr.com/pricing/ those micro ones. :3
[02:36] <sarnold> Unit193: yes! :D
[02:37] <sarnold> wow, $14k PER MONTH machines..
[02:37] <sarnold> https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+Gold+6342+%40+2.80GHz&id=4485
[02:37] <sarnold> okay, those are decent procs..
[02:38] <Unit193> If you want dedicated, I'd go OVH.
[02:40] <Unit193> (https://www.ovhcloud.com/en/bare-metal/prices/#filterType=range_element&filterValue=high%20grade)
[02:41] <Unit193> https://eco.ovhcloud.com/en/ huh, Germany and Poland now too eh?  I knew about the latter, but neat.
[02:41] <Unit193> ...OK I've gotten side tracked.
[02:45] <sarnold> $372/mo for their silliest :) heh
[02:58] <leftyfb> I prefer containers on my own physical in-house servers :)
[02:59] <sarnold> i still haven't gotten around to containers yet
[02:59] <sarnold> some day
[02:59] <leftyfb> Just picked up another R620 which will be a mirror for the one running everything at the moment. I'll do periodic snapshots of the containers nightly
[02:59] <leftyfb> love me some lxd
[03:00] <leftyfb> yesterday setup a full lab environment to test out some deployment code. Got a router and "metal" server providing DHCP and DNS and containers on that "metal" container for the deployments just like we do in the field
[03:01] <leftyfb> lxc launch ubuntu:22.04 new-server
[03:01] <leftyfb> that's it
[03:01] <leftyfb> then mess with lxd bridges and profiles if you need to do the fancy stuff I was doing
[03:03] <leftyfb> lxc list # to list your servers and lxc shell <server> # to bootstrap it with ssh and such. OR do what I do and use ansible to create, bootstrap and deploy everything to it in a matter of minutes
[03:04] <sarnold> that's so cool
[03:05] <Unit193> Never used lxd, but I have lxc for autopkgtests.
[03:05] <leftyfb> lxd is better for managing multiple containers and allows more orchestration 
[03:06] <leftyfb> you can also create and manage kvm/qemu vm's with lxd
[03:07] <Unit193> Oh dang, it's actually in the repos.  Huh.
[03:07] <leftyfb> I just set that up for our support engineers. They're all still running 18.04 because they need to support customers on older versions. But I wrote an ansible playbook to spin up the 20.04 VM, copy over all their keys and creds and runs a full engineer deployments on it
[03:08] <leftyfb> Unit193: lxd is snap only btw
[03:08] <Unit193> !info lxd unstable
[03:08] <ubottu> lxd (5.0.1-2+b1, unstable): Powerful system container and virtual machine manager - daemon. In component main, is optional. Built by lxd. Size 13,185 kB / 46,440 kB. (Only available for linux-any.)
[03:08] <sarnold> \o/
[03:09] <leftyfb> I can't believe you guys haven't messed with lxd. It's trivial and so easy to spin one up for quick tests and then just stop it or delete it if needed
[03:09] <sarnold> "messed with', a bit, yeah
[03:09] <leftyfb> it's how I check package versions and such on releases I'm not running all the time to help in #u
[03:10] <sarnold> well, okay, lxc list just now is taking its sweet time.. I think I've got one for every supported release, and some of them have esm configured, etc
[03:10] <sarnold> oh i've got debians going too
[03:10] <leftyfb> oh man, are they all running?
[03:10] <sarnold> no, all stopped right now
[03:11] <leftyfb> how many you got?
[03:11] <sarnold> but they're all so cheap that I often forget I start them, and I might at some point wonder why i've a thousand processes running
[03:11] <sarnold> 12
[03:11] <leftyfb> lol
[03:11] <leftyfb> I wouldn't call that "haven't gotten around to containers yet" :)
[03:12] <sarnold> well, some folks really live and breathe containers, organizae their entire workloads in them, orchestrate them together, etc..
[03:12] <leftyfb> that's sort of me 
[03:12] <sarnold> I just have a few sitting around for easy question answering, like yours
[03:12] <leftyfb> though we're going to be moving to ESXi at some point in the near future. Gotta rewrite all my ansible for that next
[03:12] <sarnold> but no ansibles to create and configure them on a whim, etc
[03:12] <sarnold> aww ;(
[03:13] <sarnold> I thought with the broadcom aquisition everyone was moving *away* from esxi
[03:13] <leftyfb> yeah, they need HA and support
[03:13] <leftyfb> hm
[03:14] <leftyfb> didn't know about this
[03:14] <sarnold> ah, I dunno about lxd's HA, but I wouldn't be shocked if esxi has *better* HA regardless
[03:14] <sarnold> another 15 years on the market will do that :)
[03:14] <leftyfb> lxd's sort of have HA but it takes a bit of work
[03:15] <leftyfb> you need to strap on some other pieces to do the heavy lifting
[03:15] <sarnold> broadcom has a history, as it were .. https://www.techtarget.com/searchdatacenter/news/252521669/Broadcoms-acquire-and-axe-history-concerns-VMware-users
[03:18] <leftyfb> welp, I was waiting for "smee" to come back but apparently it take multiple hours to install a single package. I can't wait any longer
[03:18] <leftyfb> cyas
[03:19] <sarnold> gnight leftyfb ;)