| arraybolt3 | jay321: Did this archive come with any instructions? | 00:00 |
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| arraybolt3 | If I were to take a wild guess, I would *think* you probably just flash the "sd.img" file to the SD card with Etcher, then plug it in and run it. | 00:01 |
| arraybolt3 | But without instructions, I can't tell for sure. | 00:01 |
| jay321 | arraybolt3: https://forum.digilent.com/topic/24473-nexys-a7-bootstrapping-linux-guide/ | 00:07 |
| jay321 | arraybolt3: yeah i plugged it in and the board lit up like a christmas tree and then bootstrapping services and such | 00:08 |
| jay321 | its at the root password for maintenance, oh wait there is a prompt now | 00:09 |
| jay321 | the sofabitch is alive | 00:10 |
| jay321 | is xchat better than this webchat? | 00:23 |
| jay321 | is this any good? http://limechat.net/mac/ | 00:42 |
| jay321 | how do you list all the network devices? | 00:43 |
| jay321 | ip addr list? | 00:43 |
| skydoge | having noob problem here I have enable UFW and open my port but its still closed when I disable UFW I can connect any idea? | 02:02 |
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| romanparish | skydoge | 02:38 |
| romanparish | you still here? | 02:38 |
| squarecircle | Is there a reason, why my imported zpool does not show up? | 02:52 |
| skydoge | yes | 02:53 |
| skydoge | I tried firewalld get same result dont understand | 02:53 |
| skydoge | work fine on centos but not ubuntu | 02:53 |
| skydoge | centos had to remove selinux policies but looks there no selinux on ubuntu | 02:54 |
| esv | skydoge, you could try disabling apparmor: aa-teardown | 03:35 |
| esv | but ... | 03:35 |
| skydoge | but what lol what does apparmor does | 03:36 |
| skydoge | I thought maybe i need to go via iptables directly | 03:36 |
| esv | first of all, I don't quite understand the problem, so apologies for offering solutions w/o fully understand it. | 03:37 |
| skydoge | hahaha | 03:37 |
| esv | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AppArmor | 03:37 |
| esv | if you are trying to connect to a non-standard port and traffic to the port is enabled on ufw or ufw is disabled, the application still needs to be up & running for the port be open. | 03:42 |
| esv | you can list the open ports via the ss command: ss -tlnp for TCP connections & ss -ulnp for UDP. | 03:43 |
| jay321 | hi | 03:43 |
| jay321 | its still up for gods sake | 03:43 |
| jay321 | otherwise you'll be on mars w/out comms, that's gonna hurt | 03:47 |
| hardy | skydoge: did you tried csf (ConfigServer Security Firewall)? I'm running KVM VPS with Ubuntu + csf and works perfect, VPS purchased at https://www.hn.cl - You should try installing it. | 03:52 |
| skydoge | esv, hardy thanks guys going to check that out | 03:59 |
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| skydoge | esv, thanks for that command I think my partners changed the port without tell me | 04:33 |
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| zhengzhimin | help | 06:49 |
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| Guest40 | hey, is there a way to enable the hwe edge stack for x? I already enabled the one for the kernel, but that doesn't add the x stuff | 09:25 |
| alkisg | Guest40, it doesn't exist anymore, as new xorg releases aren't frequent | 09:31 |
| Guest40 | why is it then mentioned on the ubuntu website | 09:32 |
| Guest40 | specifically here https://ubuntu.com/kernel/lifecycle | 09:33 |
| Guest40 | so does that mean, I will also not get any newer amdgpu drivers? | 09:34 |
| alkisg | Guest40: where is it mentioned, in the current releases or are you talking about 18.04? | 09:35 |
| Guest40 | well the site says, that there is an updated x stack | 09:35 |
| Guest40 | the newest is 20.04, but I thought it's not updated as 22.04 is quite "new" | 09:36 |
| alkisg | Ubuntu 20.04 LTS — Focal Fossa Desktop: sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-hwe-20.04 | 09:38 |
| alkisg | That's what it says for 20.04. It only mentions xorg for previous releases, such as 18.04 | 09:38 |
| alkisg | AFAIK most drivers are part of the kernel, btw, not xorg | 09:39 |
| Guest40 | so what is mesa then? or was that never updated in the lts releases? | 09:39 |
| alkisg | mesa isn't xorg | 09:40 |
| Maik | HWE for 22.04 might be added in February | 09:42 |
| alkisg | For the kernel, not xorg | 09:42 |
| Maik | ah, ok | 09:42 |
| Guest4041 | alkisg yeah I know that, but I did think it got updated the same as xorg. | 09:44 |
| Guest4041 | sorry got disconnected | 09:44 |
| alkisg | Guest4041: I think the only packages that were regularly updated with newer releases (not security things) were firefox, the kernel, and (xorg only for <= 18.04) | 09:51 |
| Guest4041 | ahh damn, I guess I have to find a stable mesa ppa then | 09:51 |
| alkisg | I think that's the most stable ppa: https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers | 09:52 |
| Guest40 | ahh damn, I guess I have to find a stable mesa ppa then | 09:52 |
| Guest40 | ugh, something is going on with my internet | 09:52 |
| EriC^^ | < | 10:14 |
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| hays | i have tried to install firefox and it apparently tried to install a snap, and the installation failed with a timeout waiting for snapd to restart.. now apt is in a confused state where it can't remove or install firefox | 12:46 |
| cartdrige | What error message does apt writes out? | 12:49 |
| hays | well i guess ill start with the current message | 12:52 |
| hays | error: too early for operation, device not yet seeded or device model not acknowledged | 12:52 |
| hays | that's when i try to reinstall firefox, per instructions when i try to remove | 12:53 |
| cartdrige | tried: sudo snap remove firefox ? | 12:57 |
| cartdrige | then: sudo apt-get remove --purge firefox | 12:57 |
| cartdrige | maybe someone who knows snaps better will help. cause i never got that error message. | 12:58 |
| hays | i purged snapd and reinstalled... now i think im back to it hanging on install | 12:59 |
| hays | ==> Installing the firefox snap | 12:59 |
| hays | 2022-12-11T13:59:15+01:00 INFO Waiting for automatic snapd restart... | 12:59 |
| ravage | Did you try a simple restart? | 13:01 |
| ravage | Maybe it will help with getting snapd unstuck | 13:02 |
| cartdrige | in another terminal try: sudo systemctl restart snapd | 13:02 |
| ravage | Or a full reboot of the system. Try both :) | 13:04 |
| hays | restarting snapd seems to have no effect | 13:04 |
| hays | although top shows it taking 17% cpu | 13:04 |
| hays | 6819 root 20 0 1464920 42944 18956 S 12.0 0.5 0:14.74 snapd | 13:05 |
| hays | 6131 root 20 0 1607180 22072 13028 S 9.1 0.3 0:35.42 snap | 13:05 |
| hays | ravage: in the middle of an update? | 13:06 |
| cartdrige | look with dmesg maybe if you see a weird message. | 13:07 |
| cartdrige | there is maybe something blocking up snapd...but i don't know what it could be. | 13:09 |
| BluesKaj | Hi all | 13:18 |
| romanparish | howdy | 13:19 |
| respawn | romanparish: welcome this is ubuntu help channel if you need help ask here | 13:19 |
| respawn | romanparish:for general chat go to #ubuntu-offtopic right click join | 13:20 |
| bluesceada | murmel, no not edge kernel linux-image-5.19.0-24-generic | 13:21 |
| bluesceada | but you need jammy-proposed sources of course | 13:21 |
| Stalevar | I have tried Ubuntu ( 22.04.1 + updates ) for the first time. Well, it is kinda not very good. First of all, system settings GUI apps frozen in .1, however it seems updates fixed it (not sure). Then, when I have tried to connect to wi-fi network, guess what, the wi-fi config window blocked the entire desktop so I was unable to switch terminal to do cat my-wi-fi-password.txt | 13:21 |
| Stalevar | The second thing is a major design flaw | 13:22 |
| Stalevar | Why selecting wi-fi network freezes the entire desktop session until you click cancel or select a network? | 13:22 |
| Stalevar | Also who moved windows control buttons to the right? I have used Ubuntu 10.10 last time and they were on the left | 13:25 |
| izuhira81 | salut | 13:29 |
| hays | is there a way i can just reset apt and uninstall firefox | 13:37 |
| fn31ln3 | is there an ubuntu hardening guide? | 13:40 |
| fn31ln3 | sorry | 13:40 |
| fn31ln3 | I mean, is there an ubuntu hardening guide that the community recommends? | 13:40 |
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| crax23 | hays, try to reboot, and do an apt autoclean or something like that. | 13:49 |
| manwhowouldbekin | Hi all! I have a software called Seafile, which is getting an SSL Handshake error and provides something along the lines of this bug in the logs: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1016085 My system is Ubuntu 22.04. Any idea on how I can fix this? I installed the Seafile via these instructions: https://help.seafile.com/syncing_client/install_linux_client/ | 13:57 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntu- Debian bug 1016085 in libqt5network5 "libqt5network5: depends on libssl3 but loads (wrong) file provided by libssl-dev instead" [Serious, Open] | 13:57 | |
| bluesceada | Stalevar, I think 22.04 is not a worthy "LTS" release yet, at least the "stable" part. In my personal opinion, go with 20.04 for a while if you want a stable system and come back to 22.04 until most bugs have been wiped out. Just one thing: except on Mac OS, the control buttons are usually on the right (even on windows that are inside most websites) | 13:59 |
| bluesceada | in 22.04 many new technologies were forced which are not fully stable yet, mainly snap packages and Wayland as X-server replacement | 13:59 |
| bluesceada | hays, what do you mean exactly? Since at least 22.04 firefox is not available in apt packages anymore and the existing apt packages will actually trigger an installation of the firefox snap package | 14:00 |
| Stalevar | bluesceada, Slackware 15.0 is better, more stable and as new as 22.04 since it's released recently | 14:02 |
| Stalevar | Also yeah, snap sucks. Also why not AppImage/ | 14:02 |
| bluesceada | Stalevar, does it use Wayland and Snap packages? If not, it's not really using newer technology | 14:03 |
| Stalevar | It has wayland disabled by default, afair | 14:03 |
| Stalevar | and snap is not needed | 14:03 |
| Stalevar | but I guess you can install it if you wanted | 14:03 |
| bluesceada | there are different arguments between snaps / flatpak / appimage | 14:03 |
| bluesceada | I think Snap is the most secure one, trying to properly containerize the apps, however also the most difficult one to apply to pre-existing applications that are not designed for that | 14:04 |
| bluesceada | Stalevar, "Not needed" depends on you | 14:04 |
| Stalevar | how about using good ole deb or even better txz? | 14:05 |
| bluesceada | I think it can add an extra layer of security, so for a webbrowser like firefox it makes sense from a concept point of view | 14:05 |
| Stalevar | Why not to run it from chroot or firejail or whatever? | 14:06 |
| bluesceada | Stalevar, that is not enough | 14:06 |
| bluesceada | That "Whatever" is what snap is trying to do. But of course that is not easy to do, if the application was not designed for it. | 14:06 |
| bluesceada | But personally I had a lot of issues with Snap too, so I don't like that they are forced into an "LTS" release, they are not yet ready for that in my opinion | 14:07 |
| hays | bluesceada: what i mean is that the firefox install has failed in a way that its neither installed or uninstalled, and I want to uninstall it so I can use apt again | 14:11 |
| hays | apt remove tells me to reinstall.. and apt reinstall hangs | 14:11 |
| webchat83 | how do i update snap store? | 14:12 |
| hays | is there a browser that is not a freaking snap? | 14:13 |
| Jeremy31 | chrome | 14:13 |
| bluesceada | hays, probably it makes sense to have them as snaps, as of what I just explained, it makes sense especially on web browsers to do it | 14:13 |
| hays | bluesceada: im not sure you are hearing me. | 14:14 |
| hays | The snap installation has hung, and apt can neigther remove nor reinstall firefox | 14:14 |
| hays | so im left with borked package management until I remove firefox | 14:14 |
| hays | every time I try to use apt, it attempts to reinstall fireefox and hangs | 14:15 |
| Jeremy31 | hayes, in terminal try> sudo snap remove firefox | 14:15 |
| hays | thanks i will try that | 14:16 |
| bluesceada | hays, are you running 22.04 ? | 14:16 |
| hays | yes | 14:16 |
| bluesceada | ok didn't get that, then you have to troubleshoot the snap and ignore apt, right | 14:16 |
| bluesceada | what kernel do you run? | 14:17 |
| bluesceada | (just asking since I recently encountered issues with 6.0 and snaps due to kernel bugs related to squashfs) | 14:17 |
| hays | kernel 5.10 | 14:17 |
| bluesceada | did snap remove and install solve it? | 14:18 |
| hays | so I don't know how, but somehow this issue resolved itself | 14:18 |
| hays | suddenly I was able to remove it | 14:18 |
| hays | then I removed the snap | 14:18 |
| hays | so i don't know | 14:18 |
| bluesceada | yeah ... that seems to what happens with snaps ..... xD | 14:18 |
| hays | there aren't any logs. I don't know what happened | 14:18 |
| hays | really they are an abomination | 14:19 |
| bluesceada | snap seems to have some occassional hiccups with setting up the snap mounts etc. | 14:19 |
| hays | ive had nothing but trouble with them. | 14:19 |
| bluesceada | they are just still under development and not ready for prime time yet, in my opinion | 14:19 |
| hays | ubuntu is reaching too far with a lot of things and releasing overly complex, half-baked solutions. sigh | 14:19 |
| bluesceada | they try to enforce security models similar to what you might know from Android apks ... there it works properly | 14:19 |
| hays | yeah i understand what they are aiming for | 14:20 |
| bluesceada | But I agree, with 22.04 they reached too far, I think the same | 14:20 |
| bluesceada | so many issues related to Wayland and Snaps | 14:20 |
| hays | ubuntu-core is a spaghetti mess too imho | 14:21 |
| leftyfb | hays: please stay on topic (support) | 14:21 |
| hays | (for embedded devices) | 14:21 |
| leftyfb | hays: feel free to continue your rants in #ubuntu-offtopic | 14:22 |
| hays | sorry about that--im having a bad day and ubuntu is just a part of it | 14:23 |
| bluesceada | hays, so everything solved now? | 14:24 |
| hays | bluesceada: heh. the ubuntu issue seems to be resolved. although I might go find another way to get a browser | 14:24 |
| hays | thank you | 14:24 |
| BluesKaj | the mozilla team has a non-snap ppa | 14:34 |
| BluesKaj | https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/04/install-firefox-deb-ubuntu-22-04/ | 14:37 |
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| khadas | hello | 15:22 |
| bluesceada | Anyone with libinput experience here? Tapping is too sensitive, so I changed AttrPressureRange=18:10 in local-overrides.quirks... however now also two-finger scrolling is not sensitive enough | 16:05 |
| bluesceada | Can this be divided somehow? And why would the two-finger scrolling ( = not "tapping" but "moving") be changed from these Attributes? | 16:06 |
| jay321 | used to be xset on X11 | 16:06 |
| jay321 | you know, set speeds and such | 16:06 |
| bluesceada | I know how it was in X11 | 16:08 |
| bluesceada | But thanks | 16:08 |
| jay321 | how is it? | 16:08 |
| bluesceada | Somehow I also do this because of another issue | 16:08 |
| bluesceada | I have some bounce which is not a bounce | 16:08 |
| jay321 | bad news, try external mouse? | 16:09 |
| bluesceada | I seem to accidentally hit my touchpad when using the left physical button. So either I disable tab to click entirely or at least I want to try reduce its sensitivity | 16:09 |
| bluesceada | External mouse can be used in some situations, but not always | 16:09 |
| bluesceada | I like the thinkpad trackpoint, but sometimes I also use the touchpad, I like to keep it flexible that way | 16:10 |
| jay321 | im thinking getting some process logging going, you know, 'sudo strace -p <pid> | less' or smthg? | 16:10 |
| bluesceada | I think with X11 the mouse button debouncing is cross-device but not with libinput ... that would be another possible solution over increasing the tap-sensitivity | 16:10 |
| bluesceada | jay321, what are you talking about? | 16:11 |
| jay321 | bluesceada: what is the process? | 16:11 |
| jay321 | pid? | 16:11 |
| bluesceada | process of doing what | 16:11 |
| bluesceada | What are you trying to do? | 16:12 |
| bluesceada | A pid is a process id | 16:12 |
| jay321 | bluesceada: the ubuntu mouse track pad process id, can you know it? ok im really bad at ubunut but that's my guess! | 16:12 |
| bluesceada | The problem is finding the right parameters for libinput or I might even need to do a feature request to them. | 16:13 |
| jay321 | what libinput | 16:15 |
| jay321 | locate libinput no pkg | 16:16 |
| tomreyn | jay321: https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/latest/ - and you really shold not try to help if you don't know what is being asked about. event hough it's kind of you. | 16:16 |
| tomreyn | *even though | 16:17 |
| jay321 | thanks! | 16:17 |
| tomreyn | bluesceada: you probably reviewed this documentation already? | 16:17 |
| bluesceada | jay321, thanks anyway ;-) | 16:18 |
| bluesceada | tomreyn, yes I did, that is how I found out to change the sensitivity using the overrides | 16:19 |
| bluesceada | But maybe I overlooked something... | 16:19 |
| tomreyn | i would not know, have not checked it myself. but i guess the best place to get help with detailed libinput configurations or patching is not this channel | 16:20 |
| tomreyn | the wayland-devel at lists.freedesktop.org list may be a good place. | 16:21 |
| bluesceada | tomreyn, yep I guess so too, just wanted to try | 16:21 |
| bluesceada | thanks | 16:22 |
| Stalevar | bluesceada, AppImage bad side is that it's only seem to be made for x86_64, not say for aarch64 | 16:24 |
| bluesceada | Stalevar, I guess that would depend on the one packaging it, no? | 16:27 |
| Stalevar | there is a central repo | 16:28 |
| Stalevar | anyway does snap or flatpak provide aarch64 packages? | 16:28 |
| Stalevar | that's armv8 | 16:29 |
| tomreyn | snap does arm64 | 16:30 |
| tomreyn | +armhf | 16:30 |
| jhutchins | tomreyn: Those snaps aren't the same as the i86 ones though, are they? | 16:47 |
| tomreyn | jhutchins: that would make little sense then, would it? | 17:02 |
| sem | I'm getting the boot warning "blacklist: Problem blacklisting hash (-13)" which appears to be ignorable based on internet searches. Is the only way to hide it at boot time by setting loglevel = 3, or is there a more specific way? | 17:06 |
| sem | i am on 22.10 ubuntu studio, but I don't think it is flavor-specific | 17:06 |
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| jhutchins | tomreyn: It depends on how you interpret the "universal" feature of snaps. | 17:17 |
| jhutchins | If you're going to have packages customized for the environment, that's .deb packages. | 17:18 |
| tomreyn | jhutchins: go here https://snapcraft.io/supertuxkart and click on the version drop-down, notice there is "show architecture"? | 17:38 |
| tomreyn | software can be architecture dependant, i don't think snap can circumvent that | 17:39 |
| bluesceada | for some reason the "Night Light" always gets reset after just a few seconds | 17:52 |
| bluesceada | I have installed in parallel kde plasma and think that might mess with it because I use some kde apps ... .could that be the case? | 17:53 |
| bluesceada | for example, they all run in parallel for some reason, not sure what they do: /usr/libexec/xdg-desktop-portal /. usr/libexec/xdg-desktop-portal-gnome .. /usr/libexec/xdg-desktop-portal-gtk .. /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libexec/xdg-desktop-portal-kde | 17:55 |
| murmel | alkisg: eh, wouldn't really recommend a -git ppa to some random person. I guess kisak would be the better choice (stable releases) | 18:06 |
| bluesceada | Anyone knows what else could be messing with Night Light? | 18:10 |
| bluesceada | I am setting the night light on the automatic mode and it tints it red (it is that time of the day...), and a few seconds later something else seems to adjust it back. I then disable/enable it and it is again there for just a few seconds | 18:12 |
| bluesceada | seems all such issues started with 22.04 .... before I had 20.04 ... no significant other changes | 18:14 |
| murmel | bluesceada: are you sure, that the upgrade went well? | 18:14 |
| bluesceada | nothing seems to go well with 22.04 .... | 18:14 |
| bluesceada | However, on my notebook it works with 22.04, there it is a fresh install. There are other problems ... | 18:15 |
| bluesceada | but the night light is only a problem on my desktop system that was upgraded from 20.04, I also don't have any serious problems on my desktop, just the night light is annoying | 18:15 |
| murmel | bluesceada: at least with your desktop, it really sounds like something went wrong with your upgrade | 18:17 |
| bluesceada | murmel, why? | 18:17 |
| bluesceada | Just because of the night light? I guess that multiple daemons are running that are messing with the color profile or something like that | 18:17 |
| murmel | eh, seems like I was under the impression that you had multiple issues with your desktop, sorry if I misremember | 18:18 |
| bluesceada | It can be expected from running applications from various environments that might bring some background services (Gnome / KDE) | 18:18 |
| murmel | definitely. and it's not really recommended to have multiple DEs | 18:19 |
| bluesceada | murmel, ok I never said so clearly, that was on my notebook and seems to be related to kernel 6.0 | 18:19 |
| murmel | as they can mess with each other | 18:19 |
| bluesceada | murmel, but I just want them installed, that was never an issue in the past | 18:19 |
| murmel | sure, but DEs change over time, and as most people don't test stuff while having 2 or more DEs installed... | 18:20 |
| bluesceada | I just run tools from different DEs | 18:20 |
| bluesceada | and they pull in half of the DE .. | 18:20 |
| murmel | ahh | 18:20 |
| bluesceada | On the desktop I also had the full KDE installed, at least the plasma-desktop package is gone, but not sure what other stuff is still there | 18:21 |
| bluesceada | It is just a guess that this is messing with night light | 18:21 |
| murmel | bluesceada: I guess so, as my night light works perfectly fine | 18:22 |
| bluesceada | can you check if you have xdg-desktop-portal-kde installed please? | 18:24 |
| murmel | not installed | 18:25 |
| bluesceada | thanks | 18:25 |
| bluesceada | I remember I also had to uninstall it on the notebook | 18:25 |
| bluesceada | it might be needed for Qt snaps ... | 18:26 |
| murmel | bluesceada: I do have Qt snaps installed | 18:26 |
| murmel | so I assume you don't | 18:26 |
| bluesceada | no i might have ... I am confused now where this package comes from | 18:26 |
| murmel | bluesceada: do you have aptitude installed? | 18:27 |
| bluesceada | on the desktop yes, but it was also on the notebook | 18:27 |
| murmel | bluesceada: does aptitude why <package> give you any hint? | 18:28 |
| bluesceada | now it is too late, I could just remove it | 18:28 |
| murmel | or that | 18:29 |
| bluesceada | sorry I found it in history.log of apt ... | 18:29 |
| bluesceada | plasma-discover-backend-snap was still there | 18:30 |
| murmel | ahh | 18:30 |
| bluesceada | ok I guess nowadays all becomes much more single-user systems anyway, the days are over where everybody could (and would) use their favorite DE on a shared computer | 18:33 |
| murmel | I mean most systems are single DE since, eh, can't remember. Even during my uni days. they can still be multi user though. but yes, desktops getting more used by a single person than multiple | 18:35 |
| cartdrige | People who are living togethers like couple and famillies have their own session on the family computers or tablets, but it's more likely windows or mac most of the time. Or Android. | 18:41 |
| cartdrige | Though they most likely have their personnal ones nowdays, since the devices are quite cheap etc. laptops etc right. | 18:41 |
| murmel | really depends on the country | 18:41 |
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| jhutchins | murmel: How so? | 19:23 |
| bluesceada | cartdrige, yeah I actually had a past girlfriend use a different DE than me and sometimes used my PC ... but that ended with her using a notebook she attached to my screen and mouse/kb instead | 19:23 |
| murmel | jhutchins: how so what? | 19:25 |
| bluesceada | but relatively recently I also had someone use my PC for gaming due to its performance, that was Windows however.... | 19:26 |
| bluesceada | In a professional context we however also get into the situation of multi-user, but there most people don't care much, and the default is xfce there... quite some years down the road until we would get into the issues I see here. | 19:28 |
| murmel | xfce as default desktop. interesting choice :) | 19:28 |
| arraybolt3 | murmel: Hey, I like XFCE! :P | 19:30 |
| bluesceada | yeah but people are free to choose others, and there are remote-login server, and there is some software that needs X / a gui, so some years down the road we might get into issues | 19:30 |
| arraybolt3 | At any rate, it *is* possible to install multiple DEs on the same system - it can sometimes go wrong, but I know people who do it with good success. When you have multiple DEs installed, you can log into whichever one you want. | 19:30 |
| murmel | arraybolt3: I'm not saying xfce is a bad choice | 19:30 |
| arraybolt3 | And if you have multiple users, one assumes that they could log into whichever DE they wanted to on their own user account. | 19:31 |
| bluesceada | arraybolt3, I did it for years, but nowadays there seem to be things that can conflict each other | 19:32 |
| murmel | oh definitely. But I quite liked the one "system" of an uni I saw, where you had a basic OS for choosing which OS/DE you want. and then remoted into that. (options were win7/win10/linux+gnome/linux+kde) | 19:32 |
| arraybolt3 | murmel: Oh that sounds cool. Probably had each of them running in a VM? | 19:38 |
| murmel | arraybolt3: yes | 19:42 |
| izuhira81 | salut | 20:04 |
| compdoc | chow | 20:04 |
| Elliria | Hey there, is this a good place to ask about an issue with Ask Ubuntu or is therre a dedicated channel for that? | 20:56 |
| jay321 | what is the question? | 20:57 |
| croraf | Hi guys. I cannot control screen brightness after recent update of some nvidia packages. | 20:57 |
| croraf | Nor from the keyboard, nor does the bar on the top right corner appear | 20:57 |
| Elliria | I can't log in. Here are the steps I followed to try and I've tried them several times with the same result: https://bpa.st/XDSQ | 20:57 |
| Elliria | I should have added, in step 5, that I do manage to successfully log in to Launchpad. I'm currently logged in on that. | 20:58 |
| Elliria | But Ask Ubuntu won't recognize me as being logged in. | 20:58 |
| jay321 | Elliria: the ubuntu question is posted, it is yours or? | 21:00 |
| Elliria | No, I don't know either of those people, but I found the answer helpful, so I wanted to up-vote it. | 21:01 |
| Elliria | I fixed my steps and did a new paste: https://bpa.st/3DKQ | 21:01 |
| jay321 | croraf: do you think you can roll back the update to verify it isn't something else? | 21:01 |
| croraf | It is the update. It worked 10m ago, before the update jay321 | 21:02 |
| jay321 | croraf: ok i dont know, sorry | 21:02 |
| jay321 | i had only suggested looking at some logs | 21:03 |
| croraf | Thanx. I found this, but a bit afraid to try https://www.debugpoint.com/2-ways-fix-laptop-brightness-problem-ubuntu-linux/ The file mentioned in X11 does not exist | 21:03 |
| jay321 | yeah if you modify the linux command line, usually it ignores stuff it does not recognize | 21:05 |
| jay321 | ...but if it kernel panics then you have to roll back the change on grub | 21:05 |
| croraf89 | Can anyone suggest what to do with https://pastebin.com/wPZU7bsk | 21:20 |
| bluesceada | croraf89, hm seems odd, maybe try creating /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/piper/ | 21:43 |
| croraf89 | bluesceada and if I somehow uninstall and reinstall this piper? | 21:44 |
| bluesceada | croraf89, it might be that the piper directory is not created correctly, probably it will also not be removed correctly .. but there could also be other issues, like the permissions in that subdir, not sure what things you have done before in your system | 22:02 |
| bluesceada | but for me it installs fine | 22:03 |
| forgotmynick | what are the consequences of removing unattended-upgrades other than not having automatic updates (security etc) | 22:37 |
| jay321 | forgotmynick: if you have a vm at least you can run the before and after | 22:42 |
| croraf58 | OK. What is this https://pastebin.com/J2k2jLvS ?? Why it doesnt want to upgrade? | 22:49 |
| oerheks | why not pasting the command used.. | 22:53 |
| oerheks | run full-upgrade to instaal those held back packages? | 22:54 |
| oerheks | that needs a reboot | 22:54 |
| Bashing-om | croraf58: ^ the info: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html . | 22:54 |
| oerheks | i don;t think those are phased.. | 22:55 |
| croraf58 | I used sudo apt-get install <list of packages kept back> | 22:56 |
| croraf58 | It went sucessfull | 22:56 |
| croraf58 | I go restart to see if it fixed my backlight issue | 22:56 |
| croraf58 | (dont reply until I reconnect :D ) | 22:56 |
| Piraty | eh, i get a few 401 from esm.ubuntu.com during release upgrade . https://ttm.sh/0vh.txt | 22:57 |
| Piraty | l | 23:02 |
| croraf | My screen backlight is still unmanageable. Not sure what to do. I tried: | 23:06 |
| croraf | 1. Add in grub acpi_backlight=vendor or acpi_backlight=native | 23:06 |
| croraf | 2. sudo apt install brightness-controller | 23:06 |
| croraf | I do have that nommconf in grub line | 23:08 |
| paul__ | hello I used sshfs mounted it onto a guest account and now I cannot remove it from the guest account | 23:12 |
| paul__ | is there a way to remove it? | 23:13 |
| paul__ | be right back | 23:15 |
| paul_ | hi back | 23:16 |
| paul_ | same question about how to unmount a file system on a guest account | 23:16 |
| croraf | jay321 I found out what was the issue. After these security nvidia updates, nvidia propriatery drivers didnt boot, but instea nouveau got used | 23:27 |
| croraf | I now switched back to Nvidia propriatery drivers, and now I do have backlight adjustment | 23:27 |
| croraf | It doesnt work properly though :D | 23:28 |
| croraf | But I think I can reduce to minimal. | 23:28 |
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