[01:54] <lubot> [matrix] <kc2bez> Sorry I've been away too. I think you had the right idea with doing a merge @arraybolt3  That allows you to keep the delta.
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[17:29] <arraybolt3[m]> Blah, QT transition in Debian just broke my ability to work on LXQt. Ah, well, guess that gives me time to attack Pipewire at some point today hopefully.
[18:40] <arraybolt3[m]> Alright, so, I'm modifying the seed to try to plug in Pipewire, and it's doing... nothing. Like, absolutely nothing.  I run Germinate against the unmodified seed, get one result, remove Pulseaudio and plug in Pipewire, run Germinate again, and get identical output.
[18:40] <arraybolt3[m]> What. In. The world.
[19:08] <arraybolt3[m]> This is really confusing - some stuff about Pipewire appears hardcoded into the ubuntu.lunar seed and is... getting picked up by Lubuntu, possibly? That doesn't make sense though, pipewire isn't installed on my system.
[19:08]  * arraybolt3[m] does a test with a new ISO
[19:27] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah, the new Lunar ISO has nothing Pipewire in it that I can tell. I bet this is the source of the Germinate bug though. I'm going to see if a Xubuntu-like workaround will work.
[22:07] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh hey it worked! Even though Germinate isn't outputting anything different, the metapackage updated right.
[22:08] <arraybolt3[m]> Simon Quigley: Is this sufficient? I *think* if I push this and update the meta, that it will roll out Pipewire onto Lunar, which I believe is what we're going for. Will that work, and may I proceed?
[23:13] <lubot> [matrix] <kc2bez> @arraybolt3 Which packages are you removing and which ones are you adding?
[23:25] <arraybolt3[m]> @kc2bez: The exact packages you listed that needed to be removed and added in the list.
[23:26] <arraybolt3[m]> Namely, "pulseaudio" and "pulseaudio-module-bluetooth" are being removed, while "pipewire", "pipewire-pulse", "(wireplumber)', "libspa-0.2-bluetooth", and "gstreamer1.0-pipewire" are being added.
[23:26] <arraybolt3[m]> https://notes.lubuntu.me/huOk59_iRSaAMZDl_my8bw?edit
[23:27] <lubot> [matrix] <kc2bez> Cool, I was just checking.
[23:28] <lubot> [matrix] <kc2bez> You could try that on a fresh install to test and make sure audio works as expected but I think it should.
[23:28] <arraybolt3[m]> I've done very similar things before and I'm pretty sure it will work, but you're right, I do need to test that first. Thanks for reminding me!
[23:28] <lubot> [matrix] <kc2bez> Sure thing.
[23:50] <arraybolt3[m]> Well turns out Falkon crashes like crazy with YouTube, but audio is working!
[23:51] <lubot> [matrix] <kc2bez> That sounds promising.
[23:51] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh wait, now Firefox is crashign with it too...
[23:51] <lubot> [matrix] <kc2bez> Did Falkon crash on YouTube before the audio system change?
[23:51] <arraybolt3[m]> Maybe it was just random.
[23:52] <arraybolt3[m]> I didn't check it. I can do that easily enough though.
[23:52] <lubot> [matrix] <kc2bez> It sounds a little random but it might be worth investigating.
[23:53] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm, Firefox is crashing like crazy too. That's worrying.
[23:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Never had this happen before. Maybe the GStreamer plugin is messing it up somehow?
[23:54] <lubot> [matrix] <kc2bez> Yeah, that doesn't seem good. It might be a good idea to check the journal logs.
[23:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Currently investigating.
[23:57] <arraybolt3[m]> (I have to reinstall my VM since I just chucked the original one using my VM tester, but I installed the VM to a SHM disk image so it should be fast to install.)
[23:57] <lubot> [matrix] <kc2bez> I have all of those packages installed on my 22.04 Kubuntu install. (I switched to pipewire manually)
[23:58] <lubot> [matrix] <kc2bez> I don't notice any crashes.
[23:58] <lubot> [matrix] <kc2bez> That is 22.04 though so YMMV
[23:58] <arraybolt3[m]> This is in a pure QEMU Lunar VM, and it is very noticable - tabs just crash right and left. Hopefully it was just random or the result of me doing something wrong.
[23:58] <arraybolt3[m]> I wonder if maybe it's because Pipewire is also messing with the video side of things?
[23:59] <lubot> [matrix] <kc2bez> Maybe? I do have a laptop I can install Lunar on later to test it out too.
[23:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, here's something weird - when I boot the freshly installed VM, I get messages "error: no server specified.      error: no suitable video mode found." or something like that. Looks like it comes from either GRUB or SeaBIOS.
[23:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Might be something new weird with Lunar that we need to look out for.