[02:41] <guiverc> is the pipewire change on our ISOs yet (for live testing..)   ; if anyone knows off the top of their head
[02:42] <guiverc> never mind; you can ignore my last..  (thought I had issue with sound)
[02:42] <arraybolt3[m]> I think it is, at least that's what earlier testing suggested.
[02:42] <arraybolt3[m]> (Currently working on a personal project for Christmas - trying to build a custom Linux distro from scratch :P)
[02:42] <guiverc> :)
[02:42] <arraybolt3[m]> (I got to the point of a working kernel and Busybox binary that can be launched in QEMU, so woot! I also want to finish up the XScreenSaver config file soon, possibly tonight.)
[03:21] <guiverc> i wonder if i'm having pipewire sound issues... I'm only having one of chromium (snap) & hexchat playing sound... if one is playing; the other app isn't making sound...   still exploring (slowly)
[03:21] <arraybolt3> I can test real quick, one moment...
[03:22] <arraybolt3> guiverc: OK, try and send me a ping.
[03:22] <guiverc> arraybolt3, i have a vid playing in chromium, hexchat is currently deadly silent with no audio  (I noted a ubuntu-news ping only because of flashing on panel earlier today, not audio)
[03:23] <arraybolt3> For me, I can play sounds in multiple apps at the same time without problems (Element can ping at me while music is playing, I can also paplay a sound file and it plays at the same time).
[03:23] <arraybolt3> Lemme try a Snap (Firefox) and see what happens.
[03:23] <guiverc> it's not all apps; eg. I have vid play (chromium) & music apps too... hexchat is GTK2 & thus maybe different
[03:23]  * guiverc clementine is my defualt music player
[03:24] <guiverc> arraybolt3, you're working on other stuff; I'd not worry about this yet..  I'd verify it on another box, plus reboot this box & re-test before I got to point of wanting to file a bug report... (ie. considered it an issue)
[03:24] <arraybolt3> I can play audio in Chrome and Firefox at the same time, too.
[03:25] <arraybolt3> guiverc: I'm right here, I can help test! Besides I'm taking a break from my project and gearing up for XScreenSaver anyway, so this isn't an interruption.
[03:25]  * arraybolt3 sudo apt install hexchat
[03:26] <arraybolt3> arrayboltHCTest: test
[03:26] <arraybolt3> arrayboltHCTest: test
[03:26] <arraybolt3> arrayboltHCTest: test
[03:28] <guiverc> on pausing chromuium (youtube vid) & clementine... after a while here on hexchat makes noise again, but clicking play on either clementine or chromium/youtube-vid gets no sound..
[03:28] <arraybolt3> Interesting. I don't get audio in HexChat either if I have an audio file in Firefox playing *or paused*.
[03:28] <arraybolt3> But if the file isn't playing at all, it works.
[03:29] <arraybolt3> Er... hmm, now it's not working there either, what on earth...
[03:29] <guiverc> it hopefully only relates to GTK2 apps (there are very few of them)  but it's my IRC client still
[03:30] <guiverc> i think you have to let it 'settle' or stay quiet a little before you can switch to the other (before the sound is given up in the queue or something maybe)
[03:30] <arraybolt3> Once I close Firefox entirely, then it starts playing audio again for me.
[03:32] <guiverc> I've not yet closed any apps; but have found just waiting will fix it (haven't timed to see how long it takes; maybe 15 secs)
[03:32] <arraybolt3> Yeah, it's definitely behaving strangely. I didn't see anything in journalctl that looked interesting.
[03:33] <guiverc> me neither, I do get an error if i start clementine using media key on keyboard (after awhile) WHEN hexchat is playing sound & it cannot play; 
[03:34] <arraybolt3> Possibly related (unsure though): https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/issues/1908
[03:34] -ubot93:#lubuntu-devel- Issue 1908 in pipewire/pipewire "High latency for Canberra notification sounds, poor handling of unset and high latencies" [Closed]
[03:34] <guiverc> (sorry I can't provide error; window keeps closing; but message unhelpful for clues; just sign of problem starting audio)
[05:25] <arraybolt3> guiverc: I'm also noticing that Thunderbird is no longer making notification sounds when I have music running in the background.
[05:25] <arraybolt3> So this is definitely not confined to your system, and not confined even to HexChat. It might have something to do with GTK, but I dunno. This seems pretty bad, though.
[05:26] <guiverc> Thunderbird shows to me as GTK3 (https://packages.ubuntu.com/lunar/thunderbird) so not restricted to GTK2 thus will impact far higher % of users
[05:27] <arraybolt3> I suppose the next step is to try Ubuntu Desktop and see if there's problems there.
[05:27]  * arraybolt3 is currently fighting with liblxqt - I'm almost done updating that for Debian
[05:27] <guiverc> do you want to write up something on discourse; I can too (getting late for you i bet)... Yep I'd go ubuntu-desktop next as best for bug report in my opinion (get Ubuntu devs on issue & at least tracking)
[05:28] <arraybolt3> Yeah, sure. And, nah, not really that late for me.
[05:28] <arraybolt3> (Remember I
[05:28] <arraybolt3> I'm the weird night owl guy.)
[05:28] <guiverc> I'm happy to add issue to discourse; suggesting you as you maybe more detailed with specifics than me...
[05:29]  * guiverc is going for sony vaoi thingy, see what OS/release is on that..
[05:30] <arraybolt3> guiverc: Alright, added a comment on Discourse.
[05:32] <guiverc> i've got lubuntu lunar on sony; but have started zsync of ubuntu-desktop; can do qa-test install then test...
[05:33] <arraybolt3> Sounds good. I'll start a zsync pretty soon too.
[05:34] <arraybolt3> Last of the liblxqt builds are now running, should be able to push to Salsa soon.
[05:36] <guiverc> :)
[08:17]  * guiverc still hasn't had ubuntu-desktop written to thumb-drive.. bandwidth issues due to backups in progress..  plus about to walk dog now anyway.
[08:52] <arraybolt3> guiverc: I think I figured out the PipeWire problem. Reboot your computer, that may fix it.
[08:52] <arraybolt3> I just tested Ubuntu Desktop, it doesn't have the problem... but it also has a newer version of PipeWire than the one currently running on my system, and I remember a PipeWire update came through earlier today I think.
[08:52] <arraybolt3> I'm going to reboot and be right back to report the results.
[08:57] <arraybolt3> Nevermind, didn't fix it.
[08:57] <arraybolt3> But, it is a problem with Lubuntu, not with PipeWire in general, so that's good.
[11:56] <guiverc> thanks arraybolt3 ... I've only got to testing it now (haven't re-created it with Ubuntu Desktop either)
[16:25] <arraybolt3> Finally managed to get in an MR for liblxqt!