| lotuspsychje | good morning | 04:29 |
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| wez | Good evening lotuspsychje! | 08:41 |
| * wez cracks open a proper AU pale ale fermented in the bottle and hands it to lotuspsychje | 08:42 | |
| guiverc_qa | . | 11:53 |
| guiverc_qa | . | 11:54 |
| guiverc_qa | . | 11:55 |
| guiverc_qa | . | 11:55 |
| wez | hi guiverc_qa | 11:58 |
| guiverc | G'day wez | 12:00 |
| wez | G'day good sir | 12:01 |
| wez | or maam | 12:01 |
| wez | or non-binary | 12:01 |
| guiverc | :) | 12:01 |
| wez | How are you? | 12:01 |
| * wez needs to stop using personal pronouns | 12:02 | |
| guiverc | tired & was unable to create the bug I was looking for using Ubuntu Desktop (good in one way anyway) that we have currently with Lubuntu lunar ("." was to create noise on the irc client;..)... I maybe should have connected to -offtopic | 12:03 |
| * guiverc normally pings myself via PM; but boxes where in different rooms | 12:03 | |
| Bashing-om | UWN: Issue767 now available to our reading public: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue767 :D | 21:41 |
| cartdrige | pipewire doesn't sound as cool as pulseaudio. | 21:44 |
| cartdrige | we can't tell it has to do with the audio by its name. | 21:44 |
| cartdrige | (fart) | 21:44 |
| JanC | what about PolypAudio ? | 21:46 |
| Eickmeyer | Pipewire also handles some video subsystems, so it's not just for audio. | 21:59 |
| Eickmeyer | Bashing-om: Just some points of correction: I'm fairly certain all of those meetings for the rest of December were cancelled. I know for a fact the TB meeting was, and since Canonical is on break until Jan 3, I'd suspect Foundations and Desktop Indaba are as well. | 22:07 |
| Eickmeyer | (Indaba was done earlier this month) | 22:08 |
| Bashing-om | Eickmeyer: No one told us ! We go by what gets posted on various calendars :( .. and yeah will make the Pipe-wire correction. Thanks heaps ! | 22:10 |
| Eickmeyer | Bashing-om: Yeah, hardly anyone has access to Fridge, so that kinda gets forgotten. | 22:10 |
| Eickmeyer | And as far as Pipewire goes, the video stuff only really gets taken advantage of when using Wayland as the compositor. | 22:12 |
| Bashing-om | guiverc[m]: ^^ Pull from the Fridge ? I do to the WIKI and the Forums ? | 22:12 |
| Eickmeyer | FWIW, the TB didn't update their wiki page. | 22:13 |
| Eickmeyer | But their latest meeting notes they did decide to cancel the last meeting of the year. | 22:13 |
| Eickmeyer | And I just happen to know that Canonical is on break. | 22:14 |
| guiverc | For me to pull anything from the fridge; I'd need a request on ML OR in #ubuntu-news (#ubuntu-community-team or somewhere appropriate), and by someone associated with group.. ie. mostly traceable & understandable reason why it was done. | 22:15 |
| Eickmeyer | guiverc: Jose has access. | 22:15 |
| Bashing-om | Eickmeyer: Sp for Meeting - I can report "None as Canonical is on seasonal break" ? | 22:15 |
| Bashing-om | sp/so* | 22:16 |
| Eickmeyer | Bashing-om: Yeah I would say that's a safe bet. | 22:16 |
| * Eickmeyer should probably join the news team as he knows way too much 😅 | 22:17 | |
| guiverc | if the tb boards notes say as you do Eickmeyer, provide link & request I remove link in calendar #ubuntu-news etc & I will | 22:17 |
| Eickmeyer | guiverc: I'll get the notes. | 22:17 |
| * guiverc means just one room, the etc. was intended for a relevant room & need not be #ubuntu-news. | 22:18 | |
| Eickmeyer | guiverc: https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-12-13-20.04.moin.txt very end | 22:18 |
| * Eickmeyer was in that meeting as there was a discussion about Edubuntu | 22:19 | |
| Eickmeyer | Long story short: project moving forward | 22:20 |
| guiverc | can you please provide request (& link) in #ubuntu-news ; it's where prior requests have been made/actioned | 22:21 |
| guiverc | but the Edubuntu is really great news :) | 22:21 |
| Bashing-om | Eickmeyer: Yeah - I keep an eye our for what is taking place for the Edubuntu release :D | 22:22 |
| Eickmeyer | guiverc: Done | 22:24 |
| guiverc | the 'request removal from fridge calendar' please. (sorry to be a pain; I want a clear record) | 22:24 |
| Eickmeyer | Ohhhhh ok. | 22:24 |
| guiverc | otherwise it'll read like you're reporting 'news' to us... | 22:25 |
| Eickmeyer | guiverc: Better? 😅 | 22:27 |
| guiverc | thanks :) | 22:28 |
| Eickmeyer | yw. :) | 22:28 |
| * guiverc irc is different without my usual sound effects (pipewire issue on lubuntu) | 22:29 | |
| Eickmeyer | Strange. pipewire-pulse should just act like a drop-in replacement. I've been testing on Studio and it seems to be working fine, even with the pipewire-jack backend. | 22:30 |
| guiverc | i have music playing using clementine; hexchat (my irc client) is silent.. arraybolt3 noted the same with thunderbird notifications; we've not created a bug report on it yet, BUT couldn't replicate the issue with Ubuntu Desktop (lunar) | 22:31 |
| Eickmeyer | Very strange indeed. | 22:36 |
| Eickmeyer | Makes me wonder if it's something wrong with the LXQt audio stack. | 22:36 |
| Bashing-om | Eickmeyer: Van nit make the Pipewire edits for video or Wayland as the original quthor we are reporting on does not memtion them. I can ping arraybolt3[m] and see of he will edit his article ? | 22:39 |
| Bashing-om | can not make** | 22:39 |
| Eickmeyer | Bashing-om: I wouldn't worry about it since Lubuntu's implementation doesn't include Wayland. | 22:39 |
| arraybolt3 | +1 | 22:39 |
| arraybolt3 | I don't know how PipeWire affects video on Lubuntu. | 22:40 |
| Eickmeyer | arraybolt3: I could explain it, but TL;DR: It doesn't. | 22:40 |
| Bashing-om | Eickmeyer: Nor yet does Xubuntu support Wayland. | 22:40 |
| arraybolt3 | Eickmeyer: As our local A/V on Linux guy, that's good enough for me. | 22:40 |
| Eickmeyer | Exactly, Bashing-om . | 22:41 |
| arraybolt3 | (I mean you're our local A/V on Linux guy.) | 22:41 |
| Eickmeyer | I mean, I kinda default to that. 😅 | 22:41 |
| Eickmeyer | Pipewire shines with the video stack when doing video capture, such as on a Google Meet conference. | 22:42 |
| Bashing-om | All: Leeping in mind guys that UWN is what we, as a community, present to the world - we do strive to make as good a presentation as possible :D | 22:43 |
| Eickmeyer | X11 does that natively, but Wayland needs the extra subsystem, hence Pipewire. | 22:43 |
| Eickmeyer | Bashing-om: No doubt! You're all doing a great job! | 22:44 |
| gry | <Guest70> CPU is Intel i7 -8650U x 8 (ubuntu 18.04.6 says) and memory is 16 GB | 23:17 |
| gry | <Guest70> gry: if I boot 22.10 or 22.04 from a live USB, sometimes it won't make it to the live desktop... or if it does, little after it will freeze... therefore, I would not be able to install those? | 23:17 |
| gry | like 'what the ...' -- these specs are plenty enough, right? | 23:17 |
| daftykins | what does the media check say? weird to pick such an old release | 23:25 |
| gry | daftykins: what is a media check | 23:31 |
| gry | they tried to boot live cd and they say it was freezing randomly as described above | 23:31 |
| daftykins | oh yeah it came in after 18.04 anyway, duh - well the newer ones check themselves and report errors eh | 23:32 |
| arraybolt3 | gry: I think a "media check" is when you use sha256sum on the ISO and make sure its hash matches the one in the corresponding SHA256SUMS file. | 23:34 |
| daftykins | no | 23:34 |
| Eickmeyer | The check when the .iso image initially boots is a bit more thorough than the sha256sum, and apport can check to see if the user had let it run or skipped it, which really helps on bug reports. | 23:41 |
| daftykins | it should definitely have been implemented as a menu option though | 23:42 |
| Eickmeyer | no | 23:42 |
| daftykins | it could be the default but having had an additional entry with skipping the check would have made more sense | 23:42 |
| daftykins | i've been in situations with remote console virtual mounting (Dell iDRAC / HP iLO) where it'd take hours to disc check a downloaded ISO due to a slow network link | 23:43 |
| Eickmeyer | No. Seeing that they skipped it is the difference between a valid and invalid bug report. | 23:43 |
| Eickmeyer | Can't tell whether or not their media was any good. | 23:43 |
| daftykins | i'm not talking about your comment regarding bug reports, i'm saying that in my opinion the feature should have been implemented as a choice | 23:44 |
| daftykins | i understand your view but you can't say 'no' to my opinion over choice, also if i filed a bug and you shouted at me for not testing media and used it as an excuse not to pursue a bug it would be not be great :) | 23:45 |
| gry | i think if it's a bug, it's either their usb or their hardware | 23:45 |
| daftykins | -be | 23:45 |
| gry | if it's a graphics problem, i'd rather shoot myself than debug it; i'd prefert to shove the hardware into a bin and get a new one over debugging graphics problems | 23:46 |
| gry | because graphics problems are a pain | 23:46 |
| daftykins | so hash the download, re-check the media creation, boot with nomodeset, check firmware is latest, all the usual basics | 23:46 |
| Eickmeyer | daftykins: I don't see you helping with Ubuntu development and only being argumentative with those in here that are, and seeing as how Ubuntu is a meritocracy, you don't have much leg to stand on. | 23:46 |
| gry | boot with nomodeset - maybe good idea | 23:46 |
| daftykins | wow i only expressed an opinion on the feature and now you're trying to make it personal? this is extremely unwelcome Eickmeyer | 23:47 |
| Eickmeyer | daftykins: I've been watching you be unwelcome to others in here, so that's what's set me off. | 23:47 |
| gry | re booting with nomodeset - is there a good docs page about how to do it | 23:48 |
| daftykins | !nomodeset | 23:48 |
| ubottu | Systems with certain graphics chipsets may not boot properly out of the box. "Temporarily Add a Kernel Boot Parameter for Testing" as discussed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters to add the "nomodeset" parameter there. | 23:48 |
| daftykins | well, regardless of your feeling at unconnected other times, you've essentially harmed your own position by claiming i have to be a dev to have an opinion | 23:48 |
| Eickmeyer | daftykins: No, I'm saying if you want to see change, start helping. | 23:49 |
| Eickmeyer | I, on the other hand, benefit from that feature. | 23:49 |
| daftykins | are you aware i gave over 10 years of support in main? | 23:49 |
| gry | hey, i didn't see either of you two being rude to one another - then Eickmeyer said daftykins is not being super helpful | 23:49 |
| gry | why | 23:49 |
| gry | i'm not a dev either... | 23:49 |
| Eickmeyer | gry: Support is in #ubuntu. | 23:49 |
| gry | not of the OS, at least | 23:49 |
| gry | i develop some apps, contribute bug reports etc | 23:50 |
| daftykins | gry is asking how to help another user, that constitutes discussion to my mind | 23:50 |
| Eickmeyer | Ok, fair. | 23:50 |
| gry | i think it's fine to discuss here how to help users in #ubuntu | 23:50 |
| Eickmeyer | gry: Sorry, I thought you were asking for help. | 23:50 |
| gry | that user is super creative too, they create one problem on top of another :o) no worries | 23:51 |
| daftykins | too busy attacking me it would seem | 23:51 |
| Eickmeyer | daftykins: Providing help and support is one thing, but influencing the development of the OS is another. | 23:51 |
| gry | i'd influence development of the OS, but it's such niche changes that theyd not make it to the official .iso | 23:52 |
| gry | they'd break things normal users would want to work | 23:53 |
| Eickmeyer | gry: Exactly. The decisions that go into things have to be less about personal opinion and more about what would be generally acceptable and work toward a greater good. | 23:54 |
| gry | i mean you know stallman; the changes that i'd make (and the way i'm using the OS myself every day) are like a 10x amplified version of what stallman says | 23:55 |
| daftykins | i think you're failing to be objective on this one, it's still possible to skip the checks using a boot parameter... so implementing it as a menu option for those that just want to get on with something if their media access is slow (in the use-case i described) is hardly a world-ending one | 23:56 |
| gry | to the point that even them dont consider my changes necessary | 23:56 |
| gry | though i think it's not necessary for everyone in here to contribute to the generally acceptable good | 23:56 |
| gry | everyone does what they wish to do, be it within one app or the OS, or only chat help and thats it | 23:56 |
| Eickmeyer | daftykins: You might be right. As someone who leads an official flavor of Ubuntu, I want to make 100% sure that what they have downloaded, and then written to their installation medium, is exactly correct at any cost, even the 10 seconds it takes to check it. | 23:58 |
| daftykins | yeah i can absolutely see how annoying it would be to have someone report a bug that was down to their own bad media | 23:58 |
| gry | as long as it says what it is doing (wait ... checking media / iso integrity / whatever ...) rather than being stuck without any message, i'd not complain | 23:59 |
| Eickmeyer | Exactly. So, if the installer crashes since it couldn't copy a file because the media was bad, and I can see that it had not only a "skip" on the check and a hash mismatch on the file, that tells me with 100% certainty that they have bad media. | 23:59 |
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