[04:29] good morning [08:41] Good evening lotuspsychje! [08:42] * wez cracks open a proper AU pale ale fermented in the bottle and hands it to lotuspsychje [11:53] . [11:54] . [11:55] . [11:55] . [11:58] hi guiverc_qa [12:00] G'day wez [12:01] G'day good sir [12:01] or maam [12:01] or non-binary [12:01] :) [12:01] How are you? [12:02] * wez needs to stop using personal pronouns [12:03] tired & was unable to create the bug I was looking for using Ubuntu Desktop (good in one way anyway) that we have currently with Lubuntu lunar ("." was to create noise on the irc client;..)... I maybe should have connected to -offtopic [12:03] * guiverc normally pings myself via PM; but boxes where in different rooms [21:41] UWN: Issue767 now available to our reading public: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue767 :D [21:44] pipewire doesn't sound as cool as pulseaudio. [21:44] we can't tell it has to do with the audio by its name. [21:44] (fart) [21:46] what about PolypAudio ? [21:59] Pipewire also handles some video subsystems, so it's not just for audio. [22:07] Bashing-om: Just some points of correction: I'm fairly certain all of those meetings for the rest of December were cancelled. I know for a fact the TB meeting was, and since Canonical is on break until Jan 3, I'd suspect Foundations and Desktop Indaba are as well. [22:08] (Indaba was done earlier this month) [22:10] Eickmeyer: No one told us ! We go by what gets posted on various calendars :( .. and yeah will make the Pipe-wire correction. Thanks heaps ! [22:10] Bashing-om: Yeah, hardly anyone has access to Fridge, so that kinda gets forgotten. [22:12] And as far as Pipewire goes, the video stuff only really gets taken advantage of when using Wayland as the compositor. [22:12] guiverc[m]: ^^ Pull from the Fridge ? I do to the WIKI and the Forums ? [22:13] FWIW, the TB didn't update their wiki page. [22:13] But their latest meeting notes they did decide to cancel the last meeting of the year. [22:14] And I just happen to know that Canonical is on break. [22:15] For me to pull anything from the fridge; I'd need a request on ML OR in #ubuntu-news (#ubuntu-community-team or somewhere appropriate), and by someone associated with group.. ie. mostly traceable & understandable reason why it was done. [22:15] guiverc: Jose has access. [22:15] Eickmeyer: Sp for Meeting - I can report "None as Canonical is on seasonal break" ? [22:16] sp/so* [22:16] Bashing-om: Yeah I would say that's a safe bet. [22:17] * Eickmeyer should probably join the news team as he knows way too much 😅 [22:17] if the tb boards notes say as you do Eickmeyer, provide link & request I remove link in calendar #ubuntu-news etc & I will [22:17] guiverc: I'll get the notes. [22:18] * guiverc means just one room, the etc. was intended for a relevant room & need not be #ubuntu-news. [22:18] guiverc: https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2022/ubuntu-meeting.2022-12-13-20.04.moin.txt very end [22:19] * Eickmeyer was in that meeting as there was a discussion about Edubuntu [22:20] Long story short: project moving forward [22:21] can you please provide request (& link) in #ubuntu-news ; it's where prior requests have been made/actioned [22:21] but the Edubuntu is really great news :) [22:22] Eickmeyer: Yeah - I keep an eye our for what is taking place for the Edubuntu release :D [22:24] guiverc: Done [22:24] the 'request removal from fridge calendar' please. (sorry to be a pain; I want a clear record) [22:24] Ohhhhh ok. [22:25] otherwise it'll read like you're reporting 'news' to us... [22:27] guiverc: Better? 😅 [22:28] thanks :) [22:28] yw. :) [22:29] * guiverc irc is different without my usual sound effects (pipewire issue on lubuntu) [22:30] Strange. pipewire-pulse should just act like a drop-in replacement. I've been testing on Studio and it seems to be working fine, even with the pipewire-jack backend. [22:31] i have music playing using clementine; hexchat (my irc client) is silent.. arraybolt3 noted the same with thunderbird notifications; we've not created a bug report on it yet, BUT couldn't replicate the issue with Ubuntu Desktop (lunar) [22:36] Very strange indeed. [22:36] Makes me wonder if it's something wrong with the LXQt audio stack. [22:39] Eickmeyer: Van nit make the Pipewire edits for video or Wayland as the original quthor we are reporting on does not memtion them. I can ping arraybolt3[m] and see of he will edit his article ? [22:39] can not make** [22:39] Bashing-om: I wouldn't worry about it since Lubuntu's implementation doesn't include Wayland. [22:39] +1 [22:40] I don't know how PipeWire affects video on Lubuntu. [22:40] arraybolt3: I could explain it, but TL;DR: It doesn't. [22:40] Eickmeyer: Nor yet does Xubuntu support Wayland. [22:40] Eickmeyer: As our local A/V on Linux guy, that's good enough for me. [22:41] Exactly, Bashing-om . [22:41] (I mean you're our local A/V on Linux guy.) [22:41] I mean, I kinda default to that. 😅 [22:42] Pipewire shines with the video stack when doing video capture, such as on a Google Meet conference. [22:43] All: Leeping in mind guys that UWN is what we, as a community, present to the world - we do strive to make as good a presentation as possible :D [22:43] X11 does that natively, but Wayland needs the extra subsystem, hence Pipewire. [22:44] Bashing-om: No doubt! You're all doing a great job! [23:17] CPU is Intel i7 -8650U x 8 (ubuntu 18.04.6 says) and memory is 16 GB [23:17] gry: if I boot 22.10 or 22.04 from a live USB, sometimes it won't make it to the live desktop... or if it does, little after it will freeze... therefore, I would not be able to install those? [23:17] like 'what the ...' -- these specs are plenty enough, right? [23:25] what does the media check say? weird to pick such an old release [23:31] daftykins: what is a media check [23:31] they tried to boot live cd and they say it was freezing randomly as described above [23:32] oh yeah it came in after 18.04 anyway, duh - well the newer ones check themselves and report errors eh [23:34] gry: I think a "media check" is when you use sha256sum on the ISO and make sure its hash matches the one in the corresponding SHA256SUMS file. [23:34] no [23:41] The check when the .iso image initially boots is a bit more thorough than the sha256sum, and apport can check to see if the user had let it run or skipped it, which really helps on bug reports. [23:42] it should definitely have been implemented as a menu option though [23:42] no [23:42] it could be the default but having had an additional entry with skipping the check would have made more sense [23:43] i've been in situations with remote console virtual mounting (Dell iDRAC / HP iLO) where it'd take hours to disc check a downloaded ISO due to a slow network link [23:43] No. Seeing that they skipped it is the difference between a valid and invalid bug report. [23:43] Can't tell whether or not their media was any good. [23:44] i'm not talking about your comment regarding bug reports, i'm saying that in my opinion the feature should have been implemented as a choice [23:45] i understand your view but you can't say 'no' to my opinion over choice, also if i filed a bug and you shouted at me for not testing media and used it as an excuse not to pursue a bug it would be not be great :) [23:45] i think if it's a bug, it's either their usb or their hardware [23:45] -be [23:46] if it's a graphics problem, i'd rather shoot myself than debug it; i'd prefert to shove the hardware into a bin and get a new one over debugging graphics problems [23:46] because graphics problems are a pain [23:46] so hash the download, re-check the media creation, boot with nomodeset, check firmware is latest, all the usual basics [23:46] daftykins: I don't see you helping with Ubuntu development and only being argumentative with those in here that are, and seeing as how Ubuntu is a meritocracy, you don't have much leg to stand on. [23:46] boot with nomodeset - maybe good idea [23:47] wow i only expressed an opinion on the feature and now you're trying to make it personal? this is extremely unwelcome Eickmeyer [23:47] daftykins: I've been watching you be unwelcome to others in here, so that's what's set me off. [23:48] re booting with nomodeset - is there a good docs page about how to do it [23:48] !nomodeset [23:48] Systems with certain graphics chipsets may not boot properly out of the box. "Temporarily Add a Kernel Boot Parameter for Testing" as discussed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters to add the "nomodeset" parameter there. [23:48] well, regardless of your feeling at unconnected other times, you've essentially harmed your own position by claiming i have to be a dev to have an opinion [23:49] daftykins: No, I'm saying if you want to see change, start helping. [23:49] I, on the other hand, benefit from that feature. [23:49] are you aware i gave over 10 years of support in main? [23:49] hey, i didn't see either of you two being rude to one another - then Eickmeyer said daftykins is not being super helpful [23:49] why [23:49] i'm not a dev either... [23:49] gry: Support is in #ubuntu. [23:49] not of the OS, at least [23:50] i develop some apps, contribute bug reports etc [23:50] gry is asking how to help another user, that constitutes discussion to my mind [23:50] Ok, fair. [23:50] i think it's fine to discuss here how to help users in #ubuntu [23:50] gry: Sorry, I thought you were asking for help. [23:51] that user is super creative too, they create one problem on top of another :o) no worries [23:51] too busy attacking me it would seem [23:51] daftykins: Providing help and support is one thing, but influencing the development of the OS is another. [23:52] i'd influence development of the OS, but it's such niche changes that theyd not make it to the official .iso [23:53] they'd break things normal users would want to work [23:54] gry: Exactly. The decisions that go into things have to be less about personal opinion and more about what would be generally acceptable and work toward a greater good. [23:55] i mean you know stallman; the changes that i'd make (and the way i'm using the OS myself every day) are like a 10x amplified version of what stallman says [23:56] i think you're failing to be objective on this one, it's still possible to skip the checks using a boot parameter... so implementing it as a menu option for those that just want to get on with something if their media access is slow (in the use-case i described) is hardly a world-ending one [23:56] to the point that even them dont consider my changes necessary [23:56] though i think it's not necessary for everyone in here to contribute to the generally acceptable good [23:56] everyone does what they wish to do, be it within one app or the OS, or only chat help and thats it [23:58] daftykins: You might be right. As someone who leads an official flavor of Ubuntu, I want to make 100% sure that what they have downloaded, and then written to their installation medium, is exactly correct at any cost, even the 10 seconds it takes to check it. [23:58] yeah i can absolutely see how annoying it would be to have someone report a bug that was down to their own bad media [23:59] as long as it says what it is doing (wait ... checking media / iso integrity / whatever ...) rather than being stuck without any message, i'd not complain [23:59] Exactly. So, if the installer crashes since it couldn't copy a file because the media was bad, and I can see that it had not only a "skip" on the check and a hash mismatch on the file, that tells me with 100% certainty that they have bad media.