[16:40] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I don't know if you remember some one complain about zita giving high levels? anyway, Fons says: This is due to a bug in libzita-alsa-pcmi, which will affect all
[16:40] <OvenWerks> sound cards using the S32_LE format.
[16:40] <OvenWerks> This is s fixed in version 0.6.1 which is now available at the usual place:
[16:41] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: I do remember.
[16:42] <OvenWerks> I do not know if that means there is a new zita-ajbridge or that it needs to use the new libzita-alsa-pcmi
[16:45] <OvenWerks> it's the lib
[16:45] <OvenWerks> we have 0.2.0
[16:49] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: why do we have such an old version?
[16:49] <Eickmeyer> #BlameDebian
[16:49] <OvenWerks> I am guessing libs are harder to keep up with
[16:59] <OvenWerks> libzitaresampler is up to date-ish except Fons' site has two of them (1.6.2 and 1.8.0) we have the older one
[17:05] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Jammy has 0.4.0, Kinetic has 0.5.1. I don't know where you're getting 0.2.0 from.
[17:05] <Eickmeyer> Bionic has 0.2.0.
[17:06] <Eickmeyer> (we should really take this to -devel)
[19:51] <ardya> hi folks, Ubuntu 22.04...ssh logins start autojack process and kills existing jack session for other user logged into the desktop env, any thoughts on troubleshooting/disabling this behaviour with ssh logins?
[19:54] <OvenWerks> ardya: hmm, that is not right... but probably fixed already
[19:55] <OvenWerks> for a while autojack was started by systemd via logind. that shouold no longer be the case.
[19:55] <OvenWerks> ardya: are you set up for backports?
[19:56] <ardya> yes i think its starting through systemd...checking for back-ports
[19:56] <OvenWerks> ubuntustudio-installer has a button to add backports
[19:56] <ardya> also any idea why creating outgoing net bridges doesnt work in studio contriols?
[19:56] <Eickmeyer> Yes.
[19:57] <OvenWerks> it worked the last time I tried it... but things change.
[19:57] <ardya> hmm yeah back-ports is alreqady enabled
[19:58] <ardya> incoming net bridges work, have to manually create outgoing via terminal
[19:58] <OvenWerks> autojack should be started by the session manager then from /etc/xdg/autostart/ so I would think not from terminal login.
[20:00] <OvenWerks> on the system tweaks page the debugging level can be set to "Extra", start the bridge and then errors might show in ~/.log/autojack.log
[20:01] <ardya> I see autojack references in /etc/systemd/user/default.target.wants/studio.service /etc/xdg/systemd/user/default.target.wants/studio.service
[20:02] <OvenWerks> The first one should probably not be there. I wonder if the uninstall script or postinstall needs to remove it.
[20:04] <Eickmeyer> It'll have to be a .maintscript with rm_conffile because it's in /etc. That's the pain of /etc for ya.
[20:04] <ardya> he log says zita-j2n cant be found, but its at /usr/bin/zita-j2n
[20:05] <OvenWerks> is it looking for zita_j2n by chance?
[20:05] <OvenWerks> hmm you would have to look through file in /usr/bin/autojack
[20:06] <OvenWerks> search for zita_ there should be none but if there is change it to - with sudo nano I guess
[20:07] <OvenWerks> I sort of remember finding something like that that is fixed in the yet to be released version
[20:07] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: If I can find it I can throw out a patched version.
[20:07] <Eickmeyer> Just in the meantime.
[20:07] <OvenWerks> sure
[20:08] <OvenWerks> up the version somehow
[20:08] <Eickmeyer> It's easy. It'd literally be a quilt patch.
[20:08] <OvenWerks> (somehow means using the prefered ubuntu method)
[20:09] <ardya> no underscore
[20:09] <Eickmeyer> I couldn't find it either.
[20:10] <ardya> should there be a call to zita-j2n in the studio-controls python script?
[20:10] <OvenWerks> ardya: yes
[20:12] <Eickmeyer> There isn't one in studio-controls. Only in autojack.
[20:14] <ardya> I removed that one link /etc/systemd/user/default.target.wants/studio.service and rebooting
[20:15] <OvenWerks> right
[20:16] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: it is in autojack lines 180 to 200
[20:17] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Yes, but no underscore.
[20:17] <ardya> well that didnt work, ssh login killed the sessiion
[20:17] <OvenWerks> I don't see the problem looking at autojack on github.... 
[20:17] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Are you looking at the 2.3.9 tag?
[20:17] <Eickmeyer> I don't see the problem either.
[20:24] <OvenWerks> ardya: which version of studio-controls do you have (should show on the main screen at the top)
[20:24] <ardya> 2.3.1
[20:25] <OvenWerks> oh.... the latest is 2.3.9
[20:26] <ardya> its not been pushed to 22.04
[20:26] <OvenWerks> backports should have brought in
[20:27] <ardya> Version: 2.3.1-0ubuntu2
[20:30] <Eickmeyer> Version in Backports is 2.3.9-0ubuntu1~bpo22.04.1~ppa1 so you don't have the fixed version.
[20:30] <Eickmeyer> By backports we mean the backports PPA in ubuntustudio-installer
[20:31] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-installer
[20:31] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-backports
[20:31] <ardya> oh ppa
[20:31] <ardya> no I dont have that
[20:31] <Eickmeyer> You need that.
[20:31] <ardya> and I think I fixed the ssh login killing jack
[20:31] <Eickmeyer> We can't SRU the fixed version because it contains too many new features.
[20:32] <Eickmeyer> Open Ubuntu Studio Installer, click the button that says "Enable Backports PPA".
[20:32] <ardya> ok I'll add the PPA
[20:36] <ardya> updating...guys, thanks, and appreciate your efforts in maintaining all this. My main DAW still runs on 18.04 and I have that mofo tweaked like crazy, test driving 22.04 on a laptop to see what changes I'll have to make to get same functionality
[20:37] <Eickmeyer> That backports PPA does not include the latest update of Ardour, btw. That's in a separate PPA at ppa:ubuntustudio-ppa/ardour-backports
[20:37] <ardya> I dont use studio-controls on 18.04, its all manually configged, scripted etc
[20:38] <ardya> I dont use ardour, been using reaper
[20:38] <ardya> thanks though
[20:41] <Eickmeyer> ardya: FYI, 18.04 has been EOL since January 2019, so I don't know what you've been doing this whole time.
[20:45] <OvenWerks> if it works and is not connected its fine.
[20:45] <OvenWerks> but yeah no security updates that way.
[20:47] <OvenWerks> ardya: just a heads up, it looks like 32.04 is defaulting to pipewire to replace both jack and pulse.
[20:50] <OvenWerks> ardya: the plan is to allow pulse/jack (as now), PipeWire alone, PipeWire/jack or PipeWire with jack as a device.
[20:50] <OvenWerks> ardya: however, in the long run pulse will for sure go away.
[20:52] <OvenWerks> pipewire works quite well for most modern devices and ok with all alsa devices. the alsa FW stack is not great for low latency audio.
[20:56] <ardya> LOL same error cant find zita-j2n
[20:57] <ardya> 18.04 is LTS and still supported
[20:59] <oerheks> ehm, gnome 18.04 LTS is supported, other flavors 3 years
[21:02] <ardya> ah ha!
[21:02] <ardya>             cmd = "zita-j2n "
[21:02] <ardya>             cmd = "zita-n2j"
[21:03] <ardya> note the space in the quote
[21:06] <ardya> found that in /usr/bin/autojack
[21:10] <Eickmeyer> ardya: 18.04 is not LTS for Ubuntu Studio, see https://ubuntustudio.org/2018/05/clarification-on-non-lts-status-of-ubuntu-studio-18-04/. Additionally, official flavors (read: not Ubuntu Desktop or Ubuntu Server) typically only release as LTS for 3 years.
[21:11] <ardya> hmmm removing that space didnt fix it
[21:12] <Eickmeyer> oerheks: ^
[21:12] <ardya> Eickmeyer: I'll take your word for it, but I still get updates for it, last ones were 12-15-2022
[21:13] <Eickmeyer> ardya: You're only getting updates from the main repository, not the universe repository. I'm the leader of Ubuntu Studio, so you're getting it from the horse's mouth.
[21:14] <Eickmeyer> The universe repository contains the components that make it "studio".
[21:19] <ardya> understood, thanks
[21:20] <Eickmeyer> ardya: I do see the bug, I can definitely patch that. OvenWerks  cmd = "zita-j2n " in autojack line 181
[21:20] <ardya> still no go on the net send bridge
[21:20] <Eickmeyer> Even with the space removed?
[21:21] <ardya> removing that space didnt fix :(
[21:21] <Eickmeyer> Probably because in shells spaces don't matter.
[21:23] <Eickmeyer> ardya: Actually, try closing studio controls, killall -9 autojack, and start studio controls again.
[21:27] <ardya> I had rebooted after removing the space
[21:29] <ardya> and the no process found thing comes from when the call to kill the old zita-njbridge conns occurs, there's no bridges running
[21:29] <ardya> and I dont see any messages in the log when trying to add a net send bridge...
[21:30] <Eickmeyer> This is very much up OvenWerks's alley, no idea why it's not working.
[21:30] <Eickmeyer> I mean, if it's not even doing a command-not-found something isn't right.
[21:33] <ardya> oh boy, now net receive bridges dont come up
[21:45] <ardya> ok well I'm going to figure out how to revert this
[21:49] <OvenWerks> ardya: the other possibility would be to use the postrun script to start a njbridge.
[21:50] <ardya> whats that scriptname?
[21:50] <OvenWerks> ~/.config/autojack/poststart
[21:51] <OvenWerks> needs to be a bash script... well I guess if it has #!/bin/whatever that would work too.
[21:52] <OvenWerks> it needs to be chmod +x in other words
[21:53] <OvenWerks> ~/.config/autojack/postbridge runs after the pulse bridges are set up
[21:55] <ardya> do the procs in the script need to be backgrounded?
[21:56] <ardya> hung in poststart
[21:56] <ardya> so probably
[22:00] <ardya> hmm nope still hung in poststart
[22:07] <ardya> gah this flippin laptop..
[22:08] <ardya> ok guys thanks again...I need to wipe and restart from scratch
[22:47] <ardya> haha nice, finally got the studio iso to boot on this POS laptop
[22:47] <ardya> cheers, and thanks again!