[17:24] <OvenWerks> the partition manager doesn't open corectly in wayland either, the password box is below the main window :P
[17:39] <OvenWerks> muon gets this correct, so I would guess this is a partition manager bug.
[17:46] <OvenWerks> muon doesn't, however, show all packages that are installed :P 
[18:00] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: 22.10?
[18:11] <OvenWerks> 22.04
[18:11] <OvenWerks> Oh and this is with wayland, it works fine in X
[18:12] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, there's part of the problem. The KDE people will fix bugs but don't backport their bugfixes into their own LTS version (5.24) typically because the technical debt is astronomical.
[18:13] <Eickmeyer> Also, make sure you have Kubuntu Backports enabled for the latest bugfixes sooner because getting the entire thing SRU'd is next-level. ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[18:14] <Eickmeyer> Wayland is working much better in 5.26 (22.10 with backports or Lunar)
[18:18] <OvenWerks> re qt designer, the version available is qt6 but the libs and modules are all qt5?
[18:19] <Eickmeyer> Depends on where you're getting qt designer.
[18:19] <OvenWerks> ubuntu repos?
[18:20] <OvenWerks> I want to use pyqt
[18:21] <Eickmeyer> Well, that looks like it, I would assume you can use qtdesigner6 to build qt5, but everything is moving to qt6 anyhow, which isn't that much of a jump.
[18:23] <Eickmeyer> I wouldn't use the libs in 22.04 to make anything since everything is in transition. Qt6 is in 22.10 and newer.
[18:26] <OvenWerks> so I should upgrade then
[18:27] <Eickmeyer> Well, you've always been the type to want to stay on the LTS, but it seems that your use case has changed a lot.
[18:27] <OvenWerks> it is not obvious how to do that.... gui wise
[18:28] <Eickmeyer> Well, now it should be easier. go to software sources and change it to regular releases. You should get a popup on the next restart that tells you that 22.10 is out.
[18:28] <OvenWerks> for this machine, it would not hurt. I would like to keep my home intact
[18:28] <OvenWerks> software sources is where?
[18:29] <Eickmeyer> Should be in the menu, just search for it.
[18:29] <Eickmeyer> Assuming you have backports enabled.
[18:30] <OvenWerks> I thought I did, but not... have to wait for all the updating from adding the kubuntu BP
[18:31] <Eickmeyer> Oh, I meant our backports.
[18:31] <Eickmeyer> ppa:ubuntustudio-ppa/backports
[18:31] <OvenWerks> Yup, but there were well over 200 packages from the kubuntu one... it takes time :)
[18:32] <Eickmeyer> AH, gotcha.
[18:34] <OvenWerks> what took kit is installer?
[18:35] <OvenWerks> it uses a tiny font :P
[18:36] <Eickmeyer> ubuntustudio-installer or the system installer (Calamares)?
[18:37] <Eickmeyer> ubuntustudio-installer is just tk/tcl. :P
[18:37] <Eickmeyer> The system installer is Qt.
[18:38] <OvenWerks> so tcl needs to find out what the system font is and use it.
[18:41] <OvenWerks> 54 more updates
[20:15] <OvenWerks> removing liquorix does not call the right things... I ended up with a grub that had only windows and bios  :P put install image in download boot-repair at least I am abl;e to boot but the extra oem kernel does not show.
[20:16]  * OvenWerks will worry about that after the upgrade to 22.10
[20:16] <OvenWerks> The ETA of which is jumping from 47 minutes left to several days...
[20:17] <OvenWerks> just over half way through the fetch part
[20:18] <Eickmeyer> You might have to remove ubuntustudio-lowlatency-settings because it only recognizes generic and lowlatency.
[20:19] <OvenWerks> Yeah I had to do that for liquorix. The boot repair probably did a chmod +x to 09-* in the grub dir.
[20:21] <OvenWerks> but it seems everything works on this kernel this time. So maybe I won't need it.
[20:21] <Eickmeyer> Well, that's good.
[20:24] <OvenWerks> I can't remember which thing it was that required the upgrade... but waydroid works, touch pad works, touchscreen works.
[20:25] <Eickmeyer> I think it was your touchscreen? It needed a newer kernel.
[20:25] <Eickmeyer> It needed 6.0. 22.10 has kernel 5.19 which should be good enough as it's just one step down from 6.0./
[21:02] <OvenWerks> it is working right now on 5.15... maybe somethin g to do with wayland?
[21:03] <OvenWerks> the camera doesn't work it seems but it seems that it does in similar models that have a Fn key (multimedia key) that turns the camera on and off.
[21:05] <OvenWerks> I suspect that means there is a signal that needs to be sent to the camera to turn it on via software.
[21:05] <Eickmeyer> That might be it, Wayland (and libinput) are where the touchscreen support is.
[21:05] <OvenWerks> but no one seems to have figured out what that is or has sugested that might be the case
[21:06] <OvenWerks> it says about 3 min to boot.
[21:07] <Eickmeyer> That seems excessive.
[21:18] <OvenWerks> s/to/till/
[21:19] <Eickmeyer> Oh, that's valid then and makes more sense.
[21:30] <snd> systemd-analyze blame
[21:32] <snd> ^ helps to see which service takes long to boot
[21:46] <Eickmeyer> snd: I think he was upgrading his machine 22.04 > 22.10 which explains the 3 mins.