[01:03] <Eickmeyer> leftyfb: Trying to help you out there. I really hate it when I get pushback from people I try to help, makes me throw my hands up.
[01:04] <leftyfb> I get where they're coming from but it's a really old mentality that really isn't necessary anymore
[01:06] <Eickmeyer> I agree. What they really need to do is look at the syslogs. Journalctl will only show systemd messages.
[01:06] <leftyfb> IMO, it's not worth trying to figure out the tty1/tty2 relationship with the default DE and force it off to another (F7?) just so he can use tty1 ... and even then, I don't think the default printk does what he wants by default anyway. Hell, it'd probably be easier to just configure printk to write to tty4 or something
[01:06] <Eickmeyer> Exactly. This is where the syslogs are handy.
[01:07] <Eickmeyer> Viewing it in realtime, though, isn't handy because nothing is saved. syslogs are saved.
[01:08] <leftyfb> well, "syslog" is pretty useless these days. It doesn't have kernel messages in it. He either wants dmesg while you're in the broken session (pointless) or journalctl -k to perform forensics after the fact 
[01:09] <Eickmeyer> They're not going to listen, though. I stop helping when they stop listening and start pushing back.
[01:10] <leftyfb> this isn't even one of the bad ones
[01:11] <leftyfb> I'll ping you the next time I get one of those :)
[01:11] <Eickmeyer> Heh, more than likely I'll conveniently not be around. XD
[01:12] <Eickmeyer> And yes, I've seen those. phr34k comes to mind.
[01:12] <leftyfb> no offense, but I doubt it ;) 
[01:12] <Eickmeyer> heh
[05:42] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[18:52] <cartdrige> hey
[20:52] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue769 now available to our reading public: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue769 :D