[02:13] <Dave92f1> Hi, all. Is there a program that converts Windows .LNK files ("shortcuts") into symlinks? I have a lot of shortcuts that would work OK on Linux if they were symlinks.
[02:13] <Dave92f1> Or, is there a file manger that knows how to follow .LNK files (as if they were soft links)?
[02:19] <jhutchins> Dave92f1: Windows will usually respect symbolic links created by Linux.  I believe this works even for MS file systems.  I do not know of a Linux system that will follow Windows shortcuts.
[02:21] <zykotick9> Dave92f1: I'd see if liblnk-utils is available, and what features it offers.
[02:22] <arrayboltXE> liblnk-utils is in the Ubuntu repositories.
[02:22] <arrayboltXE> At least in Ubuntu 22.10, that is.
[02:24] <guiverc> I see liblnk-utils available for all supported; https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=liblnk-utils&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all  but have no experience with it
[03:57] <Dave92f1> Problem?
[03:57] <Dave92f1> dave@MONOLITH:~$ sudo apt install liblnk-utils
[03:57] <Dave92f1> [sudo] password for dave:
[03:57] <Dave92f1> Reading package lists... Done
[03:57] <Dave92f1> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:57] <Dave92f1> Reading state information... Done
[03:57] <sarnold> it's best to use a pastebin site for more than two or three lines of output
[04:02] <guiverc> !pastebinit
[04:16] <alex__> hi
[04:17] <jimklo> Greetings I've got a problem in setting up a new system with 22.04.  Trying to get autofs installed. It mounts some nfs shares, but others it won't mount, I just get fairly generic error "mount.nfs: an incorrect mount option was specified".  I've tried manually mounting the server and it seems to work fine. Any ideas as to what my issue might be or to further diagnose?
[04:23] <rbox> you should use systemd moutn and automount units
[04:24] <jimklo> rbox, could you explain?
[04:24] <rbox> explain what
[04:24] <jimklo> not sure what you mean by "systemd mount and automount units"
[04:24] <rbox> https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.mount.html https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.automount.html
[05:30] <nikolam> Hi, I wonde why rsyslog on my laptop (Core2duo Dell D620) is using 42% of CPU time, ALL the time , while actually destroying my laptop usability and slowing laptop down for no reason I see except it's some bug?
[05:31] <rbox> something is flooding your logs
[05:32] <nikolam> Oh I migrated the old SATA SSD drive from old drive to a new one doing dd imaging and it is logging some large amount of BTRFS errors...
[05:34] <nikolam> Like, [  304.175297] BTRFS error (device sda5): bdev /dev/sda5 errs: wr 0, rd 0, flush 0, corrupt 12785944, gen 0 , I replaced 256GB SSD drive with 512GB one and partitions remained the same after dd
[05:53] <BiggieCheese> hello?
[05:54] <BiggieCheese> hey cool its like some old chat room
[05:56] <BiggieCheese> i dont think this is working right lmao
[05:56] <nikolam> No btrfs fs errors and 3 errors with btrfs scrub. so it seems fine, but it continues to spit many btrfs errors in dmesg..
[06:00] <nikolam> it is BTRFS tripping something internally..
[06:22] <hermano> Is ther a good 'password vault' for ubuntu or generic linux?
[06:23] <toddc> keepassxc
[06:32] <nikolam> Or using firefox to remember passwords, with master password for them all
[06:32] <forgotmynick> After upgrading from 18.04 to 20.04, nslookup (and anything dns related) is returning ipv6 results alongside ipv4 but my connection is ipv4 only. How do i stop lookups from returning ipv6 records?
[06:42] <rfm> forgotmynick, you don't, this is totally normal, apps doing name lookups may try the v6 first but should fall back to the v4 one.  not much different than domains with multiple A records
[07:05] <rfm> hermano, I use "passwordsafe" , in the ubuntu repos; there are compatible versions with various names like "pwsafe" for every common platform (linux, windows, ios, android, os x)
[07:54] <csierra> hello there! I am looking for advice to debug sudden reboots that I am getting after upgrading to Ubuntu 22.04.1
[08:00] <csierra> I have tried several things already: switching to xorg and wayland, masking suspend, sleep and hybernate targets.
[08:00] <csierra> The system is a Dell XPS 15 9500.
[08:00] <csierra> The reboots happen more often when coming back from lock screen. Sometimes after computer startup and just after login screen.
[08:00] <csierra> The system goes directly to request my encrypted disk password and does not go through grub menu. I only have ubuntu installed on this system, no other oses.
[08:00] <csierra> Sometimes I noticed that, after reboot happen, the system will not charge until I shut it down holding power button, unplug the charger from the computer (not the charger from the power socket), plug it back and start the computer (this time it goes through grub menu)
[08:00] <csierra> The system has a NVIDIA card which I have disabled in BIOS and it is using the integrated intel chip.
[08:02] <csierra> asking here before creating a launchpad bug since I read we should try to reach out for help here first... journalctl --system --boot=-1 does not yield anything blatant for my untrained eye... should I file a launchpad bug?
[08:06] <arrayboltXE> csierra: Are there any ACPI errors in dmesg?
[08:06] <arrayboltXE> !acpi
[08:06] <arrayboltXE> It sorta sounds like that might be what you're running into.
[08:20] <csierra> arrayboltXE: I think I saw some errors but I don't seem to find anything conclusive... I will try and follow that guide... thanks!
[08:48] <jimklo> trying to craft an systemd mount/automount unit... I have `Where=/fs/foo-bar`... how do I name the service file? `fs-foo-bar.mount` yields an error "Where= settings doesn't match unit name. Refusing."
[08:52] <matsaman> jimklo: probably want a name without a '-' in it
[08:52] <matsaman> or the matching filename will be fugly
[08:53] <matsaman> via internets: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/283442/systemd-mount-fails-where-setting-doesnt-match-unit-name
[08:54] <jimklo> matsaman, not going to happen... 10 years of legacy mount names with hyphens... nobody is going to change all the scripts that exist because systemd is lame
[08:55] <matsaman> indeed, why do that when you can just not use systemd =)
[08:55] <jimklo> well because autofs won't mount half of my existing shares
[08:57] <jimklo> basically it just screams directory doesn't exist... no other error in any log files...
[08:57] <jimklo> systemd automount seems to work for the shares that were having problems
[08:57] <jimklo> it's just the legacy names are an issue...
[08:58] <jimklo> i've got a script to generate all the configs... so I really don't care if they are fugly names
[08:58] <jimklo> looks like the solution is `systemd-escape -p --suffix=mount "/tmp//waldi/foobar/"`
[09:20] <csierra> so I am trying with acpi=off but the system crawls and the trackpad does not work... so it is not usable... I found the ACPI error shows when I shutdown the system and start again, that it does not go through grub, it directly goes to ask my disk encryption password.
[09:22] <csierra> when booting from a hard shutdown (holding the power button for several seconds when it is asking for my disk password) and then booting, the grub menu appears and then I have no ACPI error
[09:23] <csierra> how can I make it so shutting the system down and starting it again goes through grub? what is it that changed that makes it behave like this now? maybe it is what is causing the reboots because the sudden reboot often happens when the system boots without showing the grub menu so I guess something is not in a good state
[10:23] <Husj3> hello if i select zfs on the ubuntu installation. will it also take zfs snapshots when i upgrade my system? from which i can boot into using grub?
[10:29] <Chunkyz> Morning all ❤️
[11:04] <CheesePotato> Morning Chunkyz ❣️
[11:11] <Husj3> how do i restore permanently a zfs snapshot?
[11:12] <Husj3> just select it from grub menu?
[13:01] <Guest49> hi ubuntu what can i do for you
[13:18] <hao> every time I upgrade to a new kernel version, I'm bring to grub cli after reboot, need to type 'exit', then will boot into ubuntu, after this, I need to do 'boot-repaire' to fix this.
[13:18] <hao> any idea why this happend? I have the boot-repair log
[13:19] <hao> also I'm dual-booting macos and ubuntu, all is fine after the fresh install of 22.10, this problem appear only if I upgrade kernel
[13:26] <Guest41> welcome back
[13:29] <hao> here is the repair log: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/sqQxQ6Wchq/
[13:47] <hao> sorry for the join/part message, my network is unstable
[14:04] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:06] <james1138> Hello from Indiana. Minor question (I hope) to the group: Is there any package / application I can install that plays wind chime sounds?  The reason I ask is that I work from my home office and and being winter, doubt that I hear any sounds outside even if I left the window open.
[14:09] <ubuntu> hello
[14:09] <ubuntu> i am new here
[14:09] <lotuspsychje> welcome ubuntu
[14:10] <Guest265> hello, thanks
[14:10] <Guest265> i'm new to hexchat
[14:10] <Guest265> is this a good place to talk about stuff relating to ubuntu?
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> this is the ubuntu support channel Guest265 , only ubuntu related questions here
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | Guest265 see also
[14:10] <Guest265> is there anyplace i can ask hexchat questions?
[14:11] <Guest265> is there anyplace i can ask hexchat questions?
[14:13] <Guest265> hello, not sure what to do, how can i find a place to ask questions about hexchat itself?
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> Guest265: #hexchat has on own channel
[14:15] <hao> Guest265, join #hexchat
[14:16] <Guest265> how do i join hexchat?
[14:16] <hao> type: /join #hexchat
[14:16] <Guest265> ok
[14:17] <hao> wonder how you joined #ubuntu...
[14:17] <ioria> sometimes it is set automatically to join #ubuntu
[14:18] <hao> anyhow my hexchat is not preinstalled and preconfigured to join ubuntu (using hexchat)
[14:19]  * hao hoping someone can take a look at my boot repair log
[14:19]  * hao s/my/his
[14:45] <p3rL> hello, apt update is not working, can't even install anything
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> p3rL: can you use a !paste link to share to the channel so volunteers can think along with you?
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> !paste
[14:46] <p3rL> ok
[14:47] <p3rL> https://termbin.com/00qk
[14:48] <leftyfb> woah
[14:48] <leftyfb> p3rL: install a supported release of ubuntu
[14:48] <leftyfb> p3rL: I would recommend 22.04 so you'll receive support for the next 5 years
[14:48] <p3rL> its 19 no support for it ?
[14:49] <p3rL> Ubuntu 19.10 \n \l
[14:49] <leftyfb> p3rL: non-LTS releases like the one you installed are only supported for 9 months. LTS releases are supported for 5 years
[14:50] <leftyfb> p3rL: Ubuntu 19.10(non-LTS) was End of Life 2.5 years ago
[14:50] <p3rL> so i can't fix this error without update the OS because the vps have many data
[14:50] <leftyfb> p3rL: I would not recommend trying to update it in place. I recommend a fresh install. Just do that and restore from backup
[14:57] <seere> with 19.10 there should be an easy path 19.10 -> 20.04 (still supported), later maybe 22.04
[14:58] <lotuspsychje> seere: updates from eol releases is risky, can hold security risks
[14:59] <srv> 26
[14:59] <leftyfb> also very sketchy to do on a remove VPS. Those things aren't even standard images half the time
[14:59] <leftyfb> remove/remote*
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> indeed leftyfb
[15:01] <seere> without an KVM console this indeed is like russian roulette
[15:33] <sjs> if the cpupower governor is set to performance is perf-bias still taken into account?
[16:20] <jhutchins> !eol
[16:20] <jhutchins> lotuspsychje: "Security risks"?
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> jhutchins: the longer the ubuntu release is eol, the higher the security risks of a compromised system, see !usn
[16:24] <jhutchins> lotuspsychje: Ah, so it's not the upgrade that's the risk, it's not upgrading.
[16:28] <Chunkyz> !usn
[16:30] <Bombo> 'AMD Radeon™ RX 6650 XT' doesn't work, ubuntu 22.04, kernel 5.18 anyone got any idea? this is the dmesg: https://paste.linux.chat/?934979c69894d8da#Eu6mv3ufBmxmTJJMz6d6eRUAkpnneWiwksqXFVfWnGK3
[16:30] <baldpope> ubuntu doesn't ship with the 'nobody' group (sometimes used for everybody) would the 'nogroup' be the equivalent ?
[16:30] <wasutton> i'm trying to fix my vm in ubuntu. Its got a gvt-g that previously worked. following the workarounds here https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Intel_GVT-g#libvirt_2 I can't seem to validate the xml
[16:32] <ioria> Bombo, have you tried some kernel parameter ?
[16:33] <Bombo> ioria: amdgpu.dpm=0 amdgpu.aspm=0 amdgpu.runpm=0 amdgpu.bapm=0 these didn't do anything
[16:34] <ioria> Bombo, then tried the suggested : amdgpu.aspm=0
[16:34] <ioria> Bombo, sorry
[16:34] <ioria> Bombo, what 's your linux-firmware version ?
[16:35] <Bombo> ioria: tried amdgpu.aspm=0 didn't do anything on the rx 6650
[16:35] <ioria> Bombo, ok.... what 's your linux-firmware version ?
[16:35] <Bombo> ioria: the default one from ubuntu 22.04
[16:35] <Bombo> ioria: i tryed https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/snapshot/linux-firmware-20221214.tar.gz too
[16:36] <Bombo> ioria: i copied the dimgrey_cavefish*.bin to /lib/firmware/amdgpu/ didn't work
[16:38] <ioria> Bombo, can you try the 'amdgpu.aspm=0' parameter with the default 5.15.0-57-generic kernel ?
[16:39] <Bombo> ioria: that didn't work, black screen
[16:40] <Bombo> ioria: that's why i tried 5.18, the amdgpu-installer seems to use that
[16:40] <Bombo> ioria: thats the amd drivers, but for X, but looks like the kernel doesn't like the card
[16:41] <ioria> Bombo, you have already tried the proprietary amdgpu-pro stuff ?
[16:42] <baldpope> for those interested, nogroup serves my purpose
[16:44] <Bombo> ioria: not yet, not sure how that works, looks older when i saw that, and iirc these are just drivers for X, but the kernel errors first
[16:45] <ioria> Bombo, ok... but what is 'amdgpu-installer' ?
[16:45] <Bombo> ioria: 'for Ubuntu 16.04'
[16:45] <Bombo> ioria: thats pro https://www.amd.com/de/node/5206
[16:45] <Bombo> ioria: thats amdgpu without pro
[16:46] <ioria> Bombo, check this : https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/amd-radeon-rx-6000-series/amd-radeon-rx-6600-series/amd-radeon-rx-6650-xt
[16:47] <ioria> Bombo, there's a version for 22.04.1
[16:47] <Bombo> ioria: yes that isn't pro is it? i did that
[16:48] <Bombo> ioria: looks like drivers for X only
[16:49] <ioria> Bombo, i suggest a clean install ; a full-upgrade; reboot; try the kern param; then try the link i posted
[16:51] <Bombo> ioria: btdt i'm now trying to get tumbleweed to a usbstick, it is said to have later versions of everything
[16:57] <ioria> quite sure i chatted with a bot :(
[17:01] <el_germancito> k
[17:12] <hao> my wifi connection lost connection every seconds, and I see dmesg log every time when this happend and many log from gnome-shell and rtkit-daemon
[17:13] <hao> the dmesg log is: RTW: ERROR [RFK-CHK] RF-K not allowed due to ifaces under site-survey
[17:14] <Dave92f1> Hello, anybody around?
[17:14] <hao> I dig into this for days now, trid several solution from online info: 1. fill the BSSID of the wifi, 2. change /proc/.../scan_params, 3. others I forgot
[17:14] <hao> both have no effect
[17:14] <Dave92f1> I'm trying to reboot Lubuntu 2204 LTS after installing the Nvidia driver. I do Bird>Reboot, say OK to the "are you sure",
[17:15] <Dave92f1> and then (way too quickly) get the login screen. When I login I get "Update Notifier" saying "Reboot required". So it didn't really
[17:15] <Dave92f1> reboot - I think it just logged me out. Seems wrong.
[17:16] <toddc> Dave92f1: shut down then start if all ok retry a reboot to verify
[17:17] <Dave92f1> toddc: OK, will do (may be gone for a while), but should I file some bug about it not really rebooting?
[17:17] <toddc> Dave92f1: possible but we need more info first
[17:18] <Dave92f1> toddc:  OK, thanks. See ya later.
[17:19] <Dave92f1> Well that wasn't long, was it?
[17:20] <Dave92f1> toddc: Guess what - I did "shutdown". It just logged me out; never shut down.
[17:21] <toddc> HMM hard boot? or wait for someone give a better idea
[17:21] <Dave92f1> I can certanily power cycle it, but I hate to do that to the file system.
[17:22] <Dave92f1> Lemme try sudo shutdown now (instead of Bird>Leave>Shutdown GUI)...
[17:48] <jhutchins> That appears to have worked.
[18:10] <Bombo> when i get this in dmesg: 'amdgpu: failed to read ip discovery binary from file' what file does the kernel exactly mean? can one find out? how?
[18:15] <Dave92f1> Hi all. Where can I report bugs in Lubuntu?
[18:19] <toddc> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/report-ubuntu-bug.html.en
[18:23] <Dave92f1> Can anybody recomment a Qt hex editor?
[18:29] <Dave92f1> Does anybody here understand "G Alternatives"?
[18:29] <Dave92f1> I'm wondering if I can use to make "edit <filename>" at the terminal launch my preferred text editor. Is that what it's for?
[18:30] <jhutchins> Dave92f1: vim
[18:30] <Dave92f1> vim is not my favorite editor (neither is emacs)
[18:31] <Dave92f1> Anway, I'm really asking about what G Alternatives is for, and how to use it.
[18:33] <jhutchins> There used to be a global "editor" variable.
[18:34] <Dave92f1> I'm a Linux newby. In Windows I did it with a batch file (I suppose a bash script would be the equivalant).
[18:34] <Dave92f1> Or perhaps I should make a symlink from "edit" to my editor.
[18:34] <Dave92f1> Or...G Alternatives? Is that what it's for? (Trying to learn how things work.)
[18:35] <jhutchins> Dave92f1: run "select-editor"
[18:36] <jhutchins> Dave92f1: I have no idea what that "G" is doing though.
[18:37] <Dave92f1> jhutchins: I did. Choices are nano, 2 flavors of vim, or ed. I want to use FeatherPad (for now anyway).
[18:40] <jhutchins> There's a reason for that.
[18:41] <jhutchins> Dave92f1: You might look into bash aliases, if you use bash.
[18:42] <freakyy85> hi all. can someone help me with this: https://paste.bitsnbytes.chat/?3daac4709a7a25dd#GhAukNBrcqE4PxNV89X9n51y1BPVYW9PRQL7PrAXVsTK its something about apt and i need the newer version of nodejs - they from thelounge say its compatible so it should work
[18:43] <jhutchins> ,v nodejs
[18:44] <jhutchins> freakyy85: If you need the latest nodejs you probably DON'T want the distribution package.  Get it direct from the project repositories.
[18:44] <jhutchins> !info nodejs
[18:45] <jhutchins> Looks like the list of what it's not available for would be shorter.
[18:46] <freakyy85> sorry i just trashed my thelounge install - fixed it again
[18:46] <jhutchins> freakyy85: https://nodejs.org/dist/v18.13.0/node-v18.13.0-linux-x64.tar.xz
[18:47] <freakyy85> no i need the one from mastodon
[18:47] <freakyy85> that one needs 16
[18:47] <freakyy85> Install Node.js v16. (Mastodon isn’t compatible with Node.js v18 or v19).
[18:47] <freakyy85> so i now need to install 16
[18:48] <vn> hiya, I upgraded from 18.04 to 22.04 2 weeks ago and noticed that my nagios3 service starts (so says journalctl) but I have 0 alerts, 0 logs getting in.  How could I debug this?
[18:48] <jhutchins> freakyy85: See if mastodon has it.
[18:49] <freakyy85> im currently following a howto and they add some apt repo and now im trying to install this but im getting the above error. is it possible to remove the currently installed version and install the v16 without thelounge beeing uninstalled?
[18:53] <freakyy85> ok got it found out how to ;D
[19:23] <jhutchins> freakyy85: Remove the existing package first?
[19:23] <freakyy85> no i found a solution. that would remove all dependencies with it including thelounge.
[19:49] <fenicx> HI , anyone here
[19:50] <fenicx> please can somebody help me with wifi-bt problem in Ubuntu22.04.1
[19:50] <fenicx> Client: HexChat 2.16.1 • OS: GNOME 42 (Flatpak runtime) • CPU: 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-12450H (2.50GHz) • Memory: Physical: 15.0 GiB Total (12.9 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (2.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 59.2 GB / 162.0 GB (102.8 GB Free) • VGA: 8086:46a3 @ 8086:4629 • Uptime: 17m 51s
[19:51] <fenicx> hey lack
[19:56] <lack> Hi!  Trying to figure out a weird dependency issue in my GitHub ubuntu-22.04 runner.... But maybe 'apt-get update' before 'apt-get install' will solve it?
[19:56] <lack> It just takes soooooo looooooong
[19:59] <hao> maybe config apt with another source mirror?
[20:01] <lack> Maybe - I just assume GitHub's runners defaults are "right" for whatever environment they're in - But that's not necessarily true.
[20:01] <lack> Looks like they're going to http://azure.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu by default.
[20:08] <lack> Confirmed - Calling 'apt-get update' first resolved my dependency issue.  After 12 minutes :(
[20:09] <lack> Off to go bug github, I guess :)
[20:25] <PeGaSuS> hello guys. how do I disable the phased updates so they're suggested only when they're really available?
[20:27] <PaulW2U> PeGaSuS: I used this - https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/phased-updates-in-apt-in-21-04/20345
[20:46] <PeGaSuS> PeGaSuS: got it, thanks!
[20:47] <ioria> sadness
[20:55] <coltan> Hi! I am a brand new linux user running a VM on an M1 Pro MacBook Pro. I downloaded the server version for ARM for Ubuntu 22.04.1 and got the desktop interface working. However, there is no sign of an internet browser anywhere. Can anyone help me with this? I’ve been searching endlessly and cannot figure out what to do.
[20:55] <leftyfb> coltan: sudo snap install firefox
[21:00] <arrayboltXE> Or "sudo snap install chromium" if that's more your style. /me is a Chrome and Chromium person
[21:01] <coltan> I’m currently waiting for the download to finish. It looks promising though! Hopefully it works on ARM. I appreciate the help! I’ll hit back with an update when the download finished.
[21:02] <Dave92f1> Advice on making simple bash aliases (example: make "edit" start my editor)? I see too many ways to do it...
[21:02] <Dave92f1> alisa, the "alternatives" system, a symlink, selct-editor, or a bash script. Probably there are other ways.
[21:03] <coltan> Is there a substantial code editor that I could also download using the command line? Like VSCode or maybe even a popular Linux option?
[21:03] <Dave92f1> What's recommended? I'm coming from Windows - I used to do this with a .BAT file (in the PATH).
[21:03] <matsaman> you can download anything with the commandline
[21:04] <matsaman> and install most anything worth installing using the command line package manager
[21:06] <genii> coltan: notepad++ is a popular editor
[21:06] <coltan> I’m just so new that I don’t even know what to type (in the command line) or what option to choose. Plus, I’m running on an ARM machine, so I don’t know which options support ARM. For example, I just installed firefox but I don’t think it’s ARM compatible because it won’t run
[21:07] <jhutchins> :  http://www.linuxcommand.org/ https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/05/20/terminal1.html http://www.ischool.berkeley.edu/~kevin/unix-tutorial/toc.html  http://linuxcommand.org/lc3_learning_the_shell.php  http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php
[21:08] <jhutchins> coltan: https://www.makeuseof.com/best-ide-code-editors-for-linux/
[21:09] <jhutchins> Dave92f1: run "select-editor"
[21:09] <Dave92f1> I use VSCode on Linux (and Windows) - love it.
[21:09] <jhutchins> Dave92f1: Oh, wait, you wanted something else.  Set the environment in your .bashrc or use you .bash_aliases to define it.
[21:10] <jhutchins> Dave92f1: There's almost always three ways to do anything in Linux.
[21:10] <Dave92f1> jhutchins: It's like the opposite of Python's "there should only be one obvious way to do it". :-)
[21:10] <matsaman> coltan: one doesn't usually use a desktop on a server install, it is incredibly poor security practice
[21:10] <matsaman> coltan: if you want to use a desktop, use a desktop
[21:11] <matsaman> since it's as a VM guest, it doesn't matter anyway
[21:11] <hao> is there an easy way to setup wallpaper per workspace? googled it, but either some gnome extension is no longer available or I need to switch to other desktop
[21:11] <matsaman> you can probably also emulate x86 on an ARM macbook, but I don't know much about it. #macosx would
[21:11]  * hao tweaking ubuntu is addictive...
[21:12] <Dave92f1> Question: Is there a terminal that supports ^C ^X ^V for cut/copy/paste? I'm using QTerminal and it makes that hard.
[21:12] <matsaman> Dave92f1: yeah, but
[21:12] <matsaman> CTRL+c has a much more important role, so it's simpler to just adopt CTRL+SHIFT+c|x|v
[21:13] <hao> ^C is reserved for abort process, so most terminal use other shortcuts to do this
[21:13] <Dave92f1> matsaman: I didn't think of that. I've gotten used to Windows Terminal (the new one) where this works pretty well.
[21:14] <Dave92f1> matsaman: hao: In the olden days ^S and ^Q were important too. (...showing off my white hair)
[21:15] <matsaman> you can definitely do it, but you'll be training yourself to not use CTRL+c, which is not training I would advocate
[21:15] <matsaman> offhand I'd say any GTK/vte-based term emulator will allow it, but I haven't checked in a while
[21:15] <Dave92f1> matsaman: Ya, OK, I get your point. I suppose it depends how much time one expects to spend in Terminal vs GUI apps.
[21:15] <matsaman> mmmm, I mean yes, but
[21:16] <matsaman> more how long you plan on being alive
[21:16] <hao> that's not old.... I still use ^S,^Q
[21:16] <matsaman> even if you are a heavy GUI person, you're going to spend enough time in terminals that it'd be worth it
[21:16] <matsaman> iMO
[21:16] <matsaman> I use CTRL+s
[21:16] <matsaman> no conflict there AFAIrecall
[21:19] <Dave92f1> How come when I paste stuff into the command line I often get a lot of ^[[[~stuff in front of it (and often a ~ at the end)? Looks like ANSI escape sequences to me, but where to do the come from and how to prevent that?
[21:19] <hao> so, anyone know how to set wallpaper per workspace? my question always get buried ignored
[21:19] <jhutchins> Dave92f1: Where are you copying the paste from?
[21:19] <arrayboltXE> Dave92f1: Probably you're hitting Ctrl+V first (which doesn't work), then when that fails, you try to paste some other way.
[21:19] <arrayboltXE> (Ctrl+Shift+V is the right shortcut for pasting into a terminal.)
[21:19] <arrayboltXE> That's what always causes it for me anyway.
[21:20] <sarnold> matsaman: ^S is terminal XOFF. It's *very* confusing to newbies, who do not know ^Q resumes :)
[21:20] <matsaman> sarnold: yeah I think my screen conf has that disabled always
[21:20] <matsaman> distro default
[21:20] <Dave92f1> Just now I copied masaman's nick and pasted into the Terminal. I get ^[[200~matsaman~ (then an empty box glyph).
[21:20] <matsaman> Dave92f1: color codes, probably
[21:21] <Dave92f1> matsaman: Ugh. That's ugly. Is there a workaround?
[21:21] <matsaman> Dave92f1: well, on IRC, there's not much reason to copy people's nicks
[21:21] <matsaman> type 'mat' then hit TAB
[21:22] <matsaman> otherwise tail your IRC client's log. Always log =)
[21:22] <Dave92f1> matsaman: I'm not actually trying to copy a nick - it was just to demonstrate the problem.
[21:22] <matsaman> but you can also strip out such codes dynamically, it's just more effort
[21:22] <matsaman> Dave92f1: what's the problem?
[21:22] <hao> that's not a problem
[21:22] <Dave92f1> I think most of the time it happens when I copy a command line from a web site (probably the colors).
[21:22] <matsaman> no, from a website it'd be something else
[21:22] <matsaman> just bad HTML most likely
[21:23] <matsaman> find a specific manifestation you can tell us about
[21:23] <mstrgecko> i added a network card since install , so i now have 2 nic's.  the nic1(ens192 is getting a DHCP IP address on reboot, but nic2(ens224) requires me to `ip link set dev ens224 && dhclient ens224` manually on reboot to get an IP.  i tried googling the solution but nothing was successful.  what is the best practice for configuring this to be
[21:23] <mstrgecko> automated on reboot?
[21:23] <jhutchins> Web sites will usually format the code as plain text so you can get a clean cut-and-paste, but copy the example, not the in-line.
[21:24] <mstrgecko> s/dev ens224/dev ens224 up/
[21:25] <mstrgecko> this is a server with cli access only
[21:25] <matsaman> mstrgecko: this? https://superuser.com/questions/1056054/using-dhcp-to-get-two-different-ip-addresses-for-two-nics-on-one-machine
[21:26] <leftyfb> mstrgecko: why do you need to interfaces getting DHCP on the same network?
[21:26]  * hao sigh, heading to gnome
[21:28] <matsaman> hao: wallpaper per workspace?
[21:28] <matsaman> hao: this? https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/08/different-wallpaper-each-workspace-ubuntu-22-04/
[21:30] <leftyfb> hao: it's not an officially supported feature in Ubuntu or Gnome. If the only gnome extension that implemented it has gone dark, it sounds like it's a non-trivial feature to implement and is going to take a lot of work on your part to hack into gnome
[21:30] <hao> seen that, the extension is no longer available
[21:31] <hao> leftyfb, alright, now the automated script to switch background when switching workspace feels not that hacky
[21:32] <Dave92f1> matsaman: OK, I found a real example:
[21:33] <Dave92f1> When I copy "sudo snap install --classic code" from https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/setup/linux and
[21:33] <Dave92f1> paste into Terminal, I get^[[[200sudo snap install -classic code~
[21:35] <sarnold> OH
[21:35] <sarnold> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bracketed-paste
[21:35] <sarnold> Dave92f1: my guess is this bracketed paste thing
[21:36] <sarnold>     ESC [ 200 ~ to signify the beginning of pasted text and
[21:36] <sarnold>     ESC [ 201 ~ to signify the end.
[21:36] <jhutchins> Dave92f1: There's this wonderful thing out there called "Google"...
[21:36] <Dave92f1> Aha - I only get the ^[[[200 junk when I mouse select "Paste clipboard". When I just do Sh-Ctl-V I don't get that jung.
[21:36] <Dave92f1> junk.
[21:38] <matsaman> Dave92f1: you might want something like autocutsel, then
[21:39] <sarnold> good idea, I love autocutsel
[21:39] <matsaman> there's actually more than one paste buffer in a traditional GNU/Linux dekstop
[21:39] <matsaman> desktop*
[21:39] <matsaman> though most people don't need or want that functionality
[21:39] <sarnold> I mean, I *wish* the buffers worked like they did twenty years ago, but different programs don't play nice together any more, so autocutsel forces them on to the same page
[21:40] <matsaman> I feel like something like that, that complicated, should be opt-in anyway
[21:46] <Macwinner> on a jammy machine, does anyone else see systemd-journald doing the most writing in "iotop -ao" ?
[21:47] <Macwinner> what's the easiest way to see what type of messages it's writing?
[21:49] <aduray> hi
[21:49] <jhutchins> Macwinner: Journalctl?
[21:50] <jhutchins> Macwinner: iotop is sysstat, isn't it?
[21:50] <Macwinner> jhutchins: journalctl works.. I see what's filling up the logs.. it's coming from one of our applications
[21:51] <Macwinner> I'm confused why these logs are going there.. these look like logs that are created to syslog
[21:51] <morgan-u2> HEY useful to make my panel clock show hr:imns:secs >>  gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.interface clock-show-seconds true
[21:52] <morgan-u2> Macwinner, yes that (journalctl) helped me too.
[21:52] <Macwinner> sorry, we are just migrating from centos to ubuntu, so I'm probably missing something related to journalctl vs rsyslog
[21:53] <jhutchins> Macwinner: journald may be intercepting syslog calls.
[21:54] <Macwinner> gotcha, thank you.. i'll research that further.. do people normally keep this behavior on their servers?
[21:55] <jhutchins> Macwinner: What behavior?
[21:55] <Macwinner> where journald intercepts syslog calls.. i may have found a lead at https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/415525/prevent-syslogs-from-being-logged-under-journalctl
[21:55] <Macwinner> i'm probably just misunderstanding something
[22:46] <Roey> hello all o/  running Kubuntu here.  What program do I use to install a kubuntu 22.10 .iso to a thumb flash drive?
[22:49] <toddc> start up disk creator should be allready installed by default  download iso then it will write to a usb drive
[22:50] <Roey> ahh you're so right, it's installed
[22:50] <Roey> thank you!
[22:50] <Roey> toddc: ^
[22:50] <toddc> np glad to help
[22:54] <pconst167> thanks for that toddc
[22:54] <pconst167> that was good help
[22:55] <Roey> yeah
[22:55] <Roey> this should be promoted ot hte start of Kubuntu's sie
[22:55] <Roey> *site
[22:55] <Roey> I couldn't ind it and then all I could find in my searches was everyone's pet program for getting the job done
[22:57] <pconst167> yep
[22:57] <mstrgecko> i got an answer for trying to get 2 nic's working with DHCP, and it seems to have not survived a reboot, even though i copied the entry for ens192 and made one for ens224.    is auto the same as auto-hotplug??  ens192 is still working, and ens224 is still not getting an IP.