=== B1773rm4n5 is now known as B1773rm4n [01:08] Hello! [01:09] Can I get software suggestions here? [01:09] I need a software that basically looks a bit like "Joplin" with a TOC (table of contents) [01:09] but, I must be able to print it all out as PDF (all of it) - like a book [01:10] every page should have a footer and a page number [01:10] also the TOC should be printed along with the entire "book" [01:11] not sure about the page numbers, but you can do most of that with cherrytree [01:11] oh awesome, I know cherrytree [01:11] thank you, I will re-test is again [01:11] only had cherrytree installed once a long time ago [01:13] the page numbers would be good, though [01:13] I must write a really, really long document and it will turn out to be more a book than just a long document [01:14] I expect it to be roughly 300+ pages [01:21] Ledutsia: this sounds like it can be a job for latex. standard word processors usually don't do a good job with large documents (although you could maybe store it chapter by chapter). [01:21] thank you tomreyn [01:22] tomreyn, I only know that Latex is good for math and science but I have never used it [01:22] so I am googling it now [01:25] So, according to my first short research, Latex seems to be more a format than a program [01:25] Which client are you suggesting to me? [01:27] texmaker looks like a big player [01:29] !info texlive [01:29] texlive (2022.20220722-1, kinetic): TeX Live: A decent selection of the TeX Live packages. In component universe, is optional. Built by texlive-base. Size 14 kB / 72 kB [01:32] great, lovely, thank you tomreyn [01:32] I am just installing the snap version (texlive-basic) [01:56] Wtf, apparently you can install a major package that has RCE vulnerability on a latest LTS version because bothered to update it? === chalcedny is now known as Sunrise [01:57] s/because bothered/because nobody bothered/ [02:03] bm, care to share what package? [02:03] oerheks: can I pm you? [02:03] sure [02:11] bm: How did you determine that there was an RCE vuln in the package? Keep in mind that there are several vulnerability scanners that check for vulns based on package version, and that Ubuntu's package version system can badly confuse such tools. [02:11] Because Ubuntu backports fixes to earlier releases of software, rather than upgrading the software to a new upstream version, packages can appear to be older, vulnerable versions while actually being patched and safe. [02:12] You can determine if this is happening using Ubuntu's Security Advisory list, which lists vulns and what versions of various packages have fixes for those vulns in Ubuntu's packages. [02:12] arrayboltXE, i have him in PM< i will copy [02:12] oerheks: Nah, no need. [02:13] Just sharing info that frequently trips up users of vuln scanners. [02:13] there is a bugreport, but nothing is done since 5-2022 [02:14] is there a cve, though, is the bug report marked security, is the software in main/restricted? [02:15] and is there a usn [02:15] tomreyn: All three are true. [02:15] tomreyn: And it is unpatched according to the USN list. [02:16] low severity, non exploitable? [02:16] tomreyn: I'll chat the stuff oerheks sent to me. [02:16] look it up on the cve tracker, it should say why it isn't handled [02:29] bm: from what i learnt by proxy, you are referring to a software in the "multiverse" repository. such software does not receive security support from the security team ( which is available at #ubuntu-security and has an FAQ at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ ) [02:29] tomreyn: this is bone chilling [02:30] I realize that you are aware of how trivially this particular vulnerability can be exploited [02:31] bm: There's only so many packages that can be taken care of reliably by Ubuntu's team. All of those packages are in the Main repository. [02:31] it may be to you, but that's a repository which is not enabled by default, and thus, for ubuntu users, probably not too much of a concern [02:31] Everything else either can't be reliably supported (restricted), or is the community's job (universe, multiverse). [02:31] And the community is already overloaded with work behind the scenes too. [02:32] If Canonical finds a good reason to task the Security Team with maintaining this package also, they can. So far there's not been enough reason to. [02:33] bm: What you can do, if you absolutely must use this package in a possibly unsafe manner, is you can containerize it in a VM run under QEMU. QEMU *is* in the Main repository and should get reliable security updates. [02:34] (Don't use VirtualBox - it's in Universe. :D) [02:34] tomreyn: on a fresh installation, "apt install " installs the vulnerable version without any user input. I don't know what "not enabled by default" means. [02:34] bm: A fresh desktop installation? Or server? [02:34] arrayboltXE: desktop [02:35] !info ark [02:35] ark (4:22.08.2-0ubuntu1, kinetic): archive utility. In component universe, is optional. Built by ark. Size 1,367 kB / 4,961 kB [02:35] bm: Even if the vuln in question was patched, it would *still* be a bad idea to throw untrusted data at the package in question. If this vuln poses a problem for you as a desktop user, you're doing something wrong with your desktop. [02:36] arrayboltXE: can I pm you? [02:36] If you want. [02:36] bm: hmm, right, looks like multiverse is enabled by default on desktop. i was thinking it wasn't. [02:38] hmm, 20.04 LTS server, too [02:38] indeed [02:39] i'd say bring ti up with the security team. i don't think those repositories should be enabled by default, to me that's an issue [02:39] I am honestly dumbfounded at the reaction of some of the people here. [02:46] alright, so Intel is reporting that the code blobs for the firmware on a wifi chipset I have on a laptop are only supported from kernel 5.20 and higher. [02:46] It looks like Ubuntu JJ 22.10 is 5.19 at the latest [02:47] is there a way to get a NEWER kernel than this in a .10 or a .4 package ? [02:47] !mainline [02:47] The kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel. More information is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds [02:48] indeed, we are at 5.19 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux [02:48] but carefull, use at own risk [02:48] oh, goodness, I completely misread the Intel page [02:49] https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005511/wireless.html [02:49] 5.2 and higher [02:49] not 5.20 [02:49] ( Intel® Wi-Fi 6 AX201 160MHz ) [02:49] so Jammy is fine [02:49] yes. quite [02:49] have fun! [02:51] the problem I am tracking is that the wireless adaptor *seems* to have a problem(?) staying connected to the A when the bitrate drops. [02:51] However, this was with 22.4, I will re-attempt the tests with 22.10 ( just installed ) [02:55] the linux-firmware git repository (which the ubuntu "linux-firmware" package is mostly built from, if indirectly) got an update of those firmwares just recently https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/commit/?id=5630963e0feaad4d12bd28b2e9083cbf5f9f56ac [02:55] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Commit 5630963 in kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git "iwlwifi: update cc/Qu/QuZ firmwares for core76-35 release" [02:56] you may want to download those manually (and store them in /lib/firmware) and reboot to see whether the updates improve stability [02:57] which firmware revision will be loaded (at most) is hard-coded into the kernel though and can change by kernel version [02:58] Did something change with 22 (specifically 22 LTS) and enabling openssh password login? I know it defaults them to no these days but it appears setting PasswordAuthentication to yes has 0 effect and it still tries to force public key authentication [02:59] "force" how? [03:00] preference is not forcing [03:01] dropping the connection after X attempted and failed public key authentications (and before password login would have been attempted) is not an error [03:01] tomreyn: Default sshd_config with the 22 LTS I just installed has PasswordAuthentication to no, unless it's a host image change. And force as in the error it returns is; No supported authentication methods available [preauth] but logging in with a key works fine [03:01] And yes I did restart sshd after changing the PasswordAuthentication setting :P [03:02] nate: are you preferring password authenticationon the client over key based authentication? [03:03] -o 'PreferredAuthentications password,privatekey' [03:04] Nevermind figured it out, yet another stupidity thing from digitalocean I should have expected. They had a conf override in sshd_config.d which is literally just a single line of "PasswordAuthentication no" lol [03:05] god I hate DO lol [03:08] well, password auth is generally a bad idea for cloud based hosts [03:09] theorem: In fairness I usually do trickery of whitelisting access at least, but still, they could have left it configured purely in the sshd_config, it was just sheer chance I thought "maybe I better look in sshd_config.d" lol [03:10] Or like make a comment in sshd_config going "This parameter is set in sshd_config.d!", etc etc, so many less headachy ways DO could have done it [03:11] yes, many ways to slice that on e [03:36] <_hao> does printer's pdd file matter much? I have epson L3255 setup, also installed driver for it (downloaded form epson official site), it can print, but with much degraded quality, comparing to when in MacOS [03:37] <_hao> I see in printer setting, there is option to "searching for driver", which never succeed to find one, to "Select from Database" which I don't know what it means, and to "Install PPD file", which I'm working one [03:38] _hao: I would guess that the PPD file would be pretty important, since it's part of the driver system. [03:46] <_hao> arrayboltXE, so how do we normally find a suitable ppd file for a specific driver? googling it doesn't show much, the official site only have printer/scanner drivers to download, can't find where to download the ppd file [03:47] <_hao> s/specific driver/specific printer [03:47] _hao: Sorry, I don't actually know. I would sort of expect the driver package to provide that. Maybe the manufacturer messed something up, I dunno. [03:50] <_hao> okay, thanks arrayboltXE [03:50] the "database" is a lot of PPDs for different printers collected over the years, made available to linux distributions in a single package. this probably refers to collection by projects (?) called "foomatic" or "gutenprint" [03:51] <_hao> reading the CPUS manual, seems like a complex system [03:52] there is "driverless" printing support in CUPS nowdays, where, for many (but definitely not all) printer models, the right driver and PPD are automatically chosen based on printer detection (if i'm understanding it right). [03:53] <_hao> tomreyn, thanks for the info. I see I can select Manufactor/Model from CUPS's localhost management site, when selecting it also say I can manually offer a ppd file. so I guess, by select the right manufactor/model, it's equivalent to privoding ppd file? [03:53] epson printers have had a bad linux support history, but i do not know whether that is still so, and some models have had support [03:54] <_hao> tomreyn, even after I installed printer driver, it actually also shown as a "driverless" one. Don't know why [03:54] <_hao> yeah, when it's driverless, it can print, but the problem is the print quality is much down-graded [03:55] * _hao seeing whether there is a #cups #printing channel [04:02] https://www.epson.eu/en_EU/support/sc/epson-l3250/s/s2058?selected-tab=drivers&selected-os=Linux&selected-lang=en " There are no files available for the detected operating system. Please select a different operating system above." [04:13] curius -- I occassionally see "screen tearing" on my monitor [04:13] as if the driver suddenly resets , or the whole screen image shifts suddenly [04:14] I think it would be nearly impossible for me to catch or record. [04:14] Is there something in a gpu driver that might catch this ? [04:36] <|izzie> Hi All, trying to play a video, get a dvd source not installed error message. Installed codecs, still no go. [04:39] |izzie: hmm [04:40] what video ? tried VLC ? [04:40] Hope it's not an adult video [04:40] maerwald[m]: sounds like you hope it is [04:40] <|izzie> does ubuntu care? [04:40] theorem: lolol [04:40] not really [04:40] <|izzie> ironically, it's the most adult video you can imagine! [04:40] you might just have to share with maerwald[m] ... for science. [04:41] Right. ..need to examine those codecs [04:41] <|izzie> It's called "Aging Backwards", by Miranda Esmonde-White [04:41] ZzzzZZZ [04:41] Buy better videos. That might fix it [04:41] <|izzie> wow, theorem fell asleep before the punch line. [04:42] get off my lawn. [04:42] Please stay on topic and avoid adult topics. [04:42] !topic [04:42] Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic [04:42] <|izzie> ubottu, what a CLEVER nick! [04:42] oh, it's an exercise video [04:43] that's amazing [04:43] <|izzie> theorem, was using Videos instead of VLC. [04:43] alright, so is it a DVD, or what ? [04:43] |izzie: The Videos app (Totem) has problems like that. VLC might help. You may need to install libdvdcss also, which may have legal implications depending on where you live. [04:43] <|izzie> yes, DVD [04:44] <|izzie> i'll install VLC and give it a whirl. [04:44] k, should fly [04:44] <|izzie> thanks. [04:44] otherwise --- throw out the DVD, they're on youtube [04:44] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCvLPr-LmSc [04:44] Basically, many DVDs are encrypted with a DRM technology called COntent Scramble System (CSS) which makes it hard to view them on some systems, like Linux systems. libdvdcss is able to get through the DRM, but may not be legally permissible in all countries. [04:45] yep - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeCSS [04:45] Actually DeCSS is a different thing which is actually illegal, whereas libdvdcss uses a different method to break the encryption that isn't necessarily prohibited. [04:46] https://www.howtogeek.com/240487/how-to-play-dvds-and-blu-rays-on-linux/ [04:46] (DeCSS uses a cracked decryption key, libdvdcss figures out the key on the fly without using a stolen key, I believe.) [04:46] arrayboltXE: that's interesting , didn't know there was an acceptable way to break the DRM [04:47] <|izzie> theorem, hahahahaha, thanks for the advice. [04:47] :) [04:48] I'm surprised you actually have a computer with a DVD player [04:48] those stopped being made more than 10 years ago [04:49] <|izzie> my budget only supports laptops that old, at the moment [04:49] fair. check ebay and craigslist, for $200 you get a LOT of machine. [04:52] * arrayboltXE still has a DVD drive in my machine, used it to burn a CD just the other day [04:52] *my desktop machine that is [04:52] here, $212 -- 10th gen intel CPU ( 2 yrs old ) : [04:52] https://www.ebay.com/itm/275616088578?epid=22040294624&hash=item402bffc202:g:oQAAAOSwjlFjvkw5&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoGXGLKcKxkK8Do%2BQkvwC315AriQUY6GJJO41whobo0ZlSKBUxMQm%2FUMX%2FaGt0xwqjXBI6U85P2xEr6Z7cUTiDWHfDrPbywU58rR%2BdOEqKecQlibCaIrqOW%2Fy3%2FF%2B3gEKtjDptohPYgyDJ4t6KAxclOtuc4rSpGmKwNlI3IgM7U15UEt%2BU7JHwZkjLOj4g0oNdv3NLlypXSBxKm2tdeic6Lo%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9Sgoby2YQ [04:53] arrayboltXE: sounds like a desktop. [04:53] arrayboltXE: and that's probably because you have a CD player in your car. [04:53] bluetooth is better... [04:54] theorem: Actually, I was making a bootable disc to resurrect an ancient desktop. But now *I'm* getting off-topic :P [04:54] ah .. pre-USB ? [04:54] We probably should stop before someone with authority comes along and makes us do so. [04:54] theorem: Ish... USB, but no USB boot. [04:54] meh. [04:55] yes, that's an old one -- let me guess --- from ... 2000 ? [04:55] 1998 :) [04:55] oof [04:56] I'm in #ubuntu-offtopic, we can take this over there if you'd like. [04:56] pentium ... 1 days I believe [04:56] haha [04:56] nm [04:56] I'll stop [04:56] shoot, I do have a zip drive and disks for sale if you want them :) [04:56] :( I was kind of enjoying it :P [04:57] I need to sleep , but also want to sell me paralel port zip drive and 8 or so zip disks from 1998. [04:57] *my [04:57] put them shiz into a shadow box [04:58] pass them down to your grandchildren [04:58] shadow box ? [04:58] <|izzie> i was worried it was a desktop but it's a thinkpad [04:58] theorem: it's like a picture frame that has depth so you can put more than flat things within it [04:58] ya, it might be a little heavy, but it seems to have some good horsepower there [04:58] http://google.com/images?q=shadow+box [04:58] matsaman: ok. [04:59] tldr: enshrine them for the rad technology they are [04:59] zip and jaz drives [04:59] sooo cool [05:00] the height of nerdiness. 100MB in your pocket [05:00] so short lived [05:00] remember Handspring? [05:00] never saw that one [05:00] they were like the fancier Palm Pilots =P [05:01] ooOoooOO [05:01] WInCE ? [05:01] *WinCE [05:01] heh [05:01] no was some other OS, IIRC [05:01] stupid little pointer mouse for navigating those terrible menus [05:03] <|izzie> I'm golden [05:03] <|izzie> thanks all [05:03] later [05:03] old dude [05:03] :) [06:02] I'm guessing the answer to this question is probably "no", but is there any way to see how much load an Ubuntu mirror is under so that you can use the underutilized ones? [06:03] I know KDE has something similar with their Mirrorstats, and I just switched Ubuntu mirrors based on that data (which probably isn't the most accurate way to do things :P). [06:07] I mean the big ones have insanely more bandwidth than the little ones [06:08] Valid point, but it seems like having all of the big ones loaded with users is a waste of the lesser ones. [06:09] I guess you're supposed to pick a mirror based on geographical location, which I only sorta did. === routebee is now known as route-bee [06:14] Heh, actually there's a "Select Best Mirror" button in Software & Updates. [06:14] Wonder how well that works, guess we'll find out. [06:16] ROFLOL it picked the server with 10 megabits of bandwidth [06:16] OK so that's probably why the button isn't widely known. [07:00] hello all! I am back with a sudo systemctl suspend issue :) what should I do... if... after this command, the system goes into suspend. Then! when system wakes back up, I can see the keyboard backlight is active, but nothing shows up on the screen... so, I am able to log in and execute stuff as far as I know what I am doing... like, I pretend I [07:00] am blind... press CTRL+ALT+T for terminal then sudo reboot followed by my password and the system reboots...!:D yay!!! THE QUESTION IS: HOW DO I TROUBLESHOOT THIS? AND MOREOVER: is there any command to try to bring the screen back on after system wake up? [07:06] yes-ubuntu12: focus on what your graphics hardware & driver are [07:07] matsaman: could you elaborate a bit, please? [07:08] nvidia? amd? [07:08] lspci -k | grep -i vga -B 5 -A 5 [07:12] Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 620, kernel module i915 [07:17] would there be more I could do? [07:52] Good day all, need some help with nginx load balancer + docker free radius container. Accessing the container directly is working 100% fine, but as soon as a request is made to the load balancer it connects to the container, but the return packet contains the containers IP and not of the host IP. Load balancer is in transparent mode. [07:53] macadoogle: pass X-Forwarded-For and some other headers related to reverse proxying - maybe this way Free Radius will understand that its being proxied [07:56] dsc_ thanks will look into that [08:31] Hey...I am back with a sudo systemctl suspend issue :) what should I do... if... after this command, the system goes into suspend. Then! when system wakes back up, I can see the keyboard backlight is active, but nothing shows up on the screen... so, I am able to log in and execute stuff as far as I know what I am doing... like, I pretend I am [08:31] blind... press CTRL+ALT+T for terminal then sudo reboot followed by my password and the system reboots...!:D yay!!! THE QUESTION IS: HOW DO I TROUBLESHOOT THIS? AND MOREOVER: is there any command to try to bring the screen back on after system wake up? [08:57] if I have kernel 5.19, is it possible to revert to a previous kernel? [08:59] yes-ubuntu12: If you have other kernels installed they should appear as options in the grub menu. [08:59] thank you [09:10] I am following some steps on intel.com for gpu drivers and I can not seem to find linux-image-5.17.0-1019-oem ? anyone could confirm if I am on the right path? :) [09:11] yes-ubuntu12: which instructions page? not my knowse exactly [09:11] https://dgpu-docs.intel.com/installation-guides/ubuntu/ubuntu-jammy-arc.html [09:14] https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&keywords=linux-image-5.17.0&searchon=names [09:14] yes-ubuntu12: seems there is linux-image-5.17.0-1026-oem now [09:14] and matching https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default§ion=all&arch=any&keywords=linux-headers-5.17.0&searchon=names [09:14] matching linux-headers-5.17.0-1026-oem [09:15] I am a bit clueless when it comes down to such detail :) [09:15] (for now... learning on the fly) [09:15] https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=linux-oem-22.04a [09:15] I think sudo apt install linux-oem-22.04a would be better approach! [09:15] sems the 22.04a stream is for kernel 5.17 [09:16] unhelpful intel instructions, in my view [09:16] is there any other way to install linux-image-5.17.0-1019-oem without sudo apt-get install ? since this can not find it? [09:16] or, can I make apt-get find this in any way? [09:16] yes-ubuntu12: yes, try sudo apt install linux-oem-22.04a [09:17] will get you later in 5.17 series but that shouldn't be a problem, intel shouldn't be expecting an out-of-support/patches 5.17 [09:17] thank you [09:24] so, if I am following this thread from intel and going across the steps and I want to document this for others to see in case anyone else tries from today onwards... where is the best way to share what I am doing / experiencing? which website? which blog? [09:26] enyc: sudo apt install linux-oem-22.04a resulted in linux-image-5.17.0-1013-oem instead of linux-image-5.17.0-1019-oem [09:27] any way for me to correct this? [09:31] yes-ubuntu12: sounds like package databes out of date [09:31] yes-ubuntu12: does "sudo apt update" work? [09:31] yes-ubuntu12: [then, try again...] [09:32] yes-ubuntu12: by looks of package site, it sould get you -2026-oem which ought to be fine not 1019 [09:35] sudo apt update should I run sudo apt install linux-oem-22.04a again> [09:41] by running sudo apt update && sudo apt install linux-oem-22.04a --- I get it is already installed? I removed it with apt-get remove and installed it again, still installing -1003-oem ? [09:41] any other way I could install -1019-oem please, anyone? [10:04] Morning all 😘❤️ [10:14] hello, I am trying to install http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-signed-oem-5.17/linux-image-5.17.0-1019-oem_5.17.0-1019.20_amd64.deb however, apt-get install does not see it? If I download this file and try and install it, it says this package has unmet dependencies? [10:16] yes-ubuntu12: what's the command you're using, what's the output it is showing, on a pastebin? [10:17] note that you should run sudo apt update or sudo apt-get update once before using apt to install or update packages [10:17] tomreyn: I just ran the .deb file from nautilus and it opened in ubuntu software centre, then I pressed install [10:18] yes-ubuntu12: that's not the preferred approach usually because it will mean you loose the ability to verify the package is not broken and, moreover, authentic. [10:19] at least when the same package is also available via apt [10:19] if I run the .deb from the terminal, I get --> line1: syntax error near unexpected token 'newline' [10:19] how do you "run the .deb from the terminal"? [10:20] I tried with apt-get install linux-image-5.17.0-1019-oem before and thie package is not found (I am on Ubuntu 22.10) [10:20] [off topic] My friend had asked me to replace his Dell laptop's old HDD with a new SSD which I did but I didn't make any changes to the bios.....I mean I didn't check if its using IDE or AHCI .....I no longer have the laptop.....The official Dell doc says that by default the SATA controller is set to "RAID ON" ......Will this prevent his new SSD to [10:20] run at its full speed ? >>>>https://www.dell.com/support/manuals/en-in/precision-15-3551-laptop/precision_3551_specs/system-conf... [10:20] and I did apt-get update beforehand [10:20] so that's correct, ubuntu 22.10 does not provide this package [10:20] are you following some guide? [10:21] tomreyn: yes, this one: https://dgpu-docs.intel.com/installation-guides/ubuntu/ubuntu-jammy-arc.html [10:24] yes-ubuntu12: there was a power outage here and i may have lost some lines. can you private message me anything you posted after are you following some guide? [10:26] newssdonlaptop: there's #hardware if you have hardware questions. [10:26] tomreyn, I would need to register my nickname in order to message you [10:26] tomreyn: yes, I am following this guide: https://dgpu-docs.intel.com/installation-guides/ubuntu/ubuntu-jammy-arc.html [10:26] yes-ubuntu12: oh, just put it on a pastebin then [10:27] yes-ubuntu12: this guide is for Ubuntu 22.04 "jammy". You said you're running Ubuntu 22.10. [10:27] yes, I am on 22.10 .. can I not install linux-image-5.17.0-1019-oem on 22.10 ? [10:28] you can install it, manually, as you seem to be doing. it's not meant to be used this way. [10:28] so technically you can. will you achieve the results you are trying to? will doing so have unwanted side effects? unknown. [10:29] is it a good idea to mix packages built for different ubuntu releases - usually no. [10:30] the issue is, I am on 22.10 (it is happening on 22.04 too, since I tried it before) and once I use sudo systemctl suspend the system will apparently work after waking up, just that I have a blank screen (if I imagine I am blind and know what I am doing, I can enter my password, log in to desktop, start a terminal via CTRL+ALT+T and test by sudo [10:30] reboot which will reboot the system)... hence... now on 22.10, I am trying to see if the guide I am following will help with this issue in any way?# [10:31] what is "it" that is "happening on 22.04, too"? [10:31] Hi guys [10:31] Im thinking of getting a better laptop, but I'm worried about the Air/fan holes being a penetration zone for dust. [10:31] tomreyn: on 22.04 after suspend the screen is blank [10:32] yes-ubuntu12: ah, sorry, i am still waking up. [10:33] maleko hellow mamen [10:33] !en | israel [10:33] israel: The main Ubuntu IRC channels are English only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList [10:34] Guest81: try #hardware for hardware questions [10:35] yes-ubuntu12: suspend and resume require several components to cooperate properly. i'd first focus on getting your new hardware to work well on a fresh reboot. [10:36] Do Ryzen 3 processors work well with Linux [10:36] I've noticed Ryzen CPUs tend to hang randomly [10:36] With Linux or Windows [10:36] But Intel I never get the distinct Hang [10:36] that I experience with Ryzen [10:37] yes-ubuntu12: to make suspend + resume work, all of hardware, system firmware, operating system (linux kernel) and user space (systemd) need to cooperate nicely. the weakest link is often the firmware here. there can be workarounds if things do not work out of the box but often this is a firmware upgrade. [10:40] Guest81: Ryzen 3 is a CPU (product) series, there are several different generations for it which can behave entirely differently. i've not heard of current ryzen CPUs causing problems. some very early ones (first generation) did. [10:42] yeah... [10:42] I've had better luck with Budget/Entry CPUs [10:43] And Linux, than higher end CPUs [10:43] I had a Intel 12th Gen I5, it was slower than my Celeron n4020 cpu. [10:43] It just lagged cosntantly, WIFI connection took 30 seconds literally [10:43] and it frooze every 5 minutes generally [10:43] SO I returned that laptop [10:43] THen, I tried a Ryzen 7 CPU on another laptop, and it frooze randomly too [10:43] So I returned it [10:44] Then I just bought a $100 (on sale) Celeron n4020 cpu laptop, works perfectly [10:44] So the higher end laptops I bought, were un-usable [10:44] One theory is the newer WIFI cards, and CPUs wern't as supported or had bugs with Linux that may get fixed eventually [10:44] Guest81: if you have a concrete question about Ubuntu support and specific hardware, we can discuss it here, but it's difficult to make generic statements on hardware support. [10:44] But still. it wasn't encouraging [10:44] I'm worried about using Ryzen on Linux again [10:45] Never had a good experience with Ryzen on Linux [10:45] that's something you could bring up with amd [10:45] yeah.. [10:45] Has anyone here read reports of similar experiences, etc? [10:47] Guest81: for experiences, you coudl try our #ubuntu-discuss channel [10:50] What are some good light DE's [10:51] XFCE, LXQT, which are even lighter? [10:53] Greetings everyone! [10:53] Hi Mirco [10:54] Guest81: openbox [10:54] Guest81: I use a Ryzen 2600 with 22.04.1 and it's fine. [10:54] This is what I'm using right now with Xubuntu, it works perfectly, what do you think? I just wish it had more RAM. ASUS - 14.0" Laptop - Intel Celeron N4500 - 4GB Memory - 128GB eMMC - Star Black [10:55] Have you guys seen the "Enlightenment" DE? [10:56] Openbox of i3 is the lightest. [10:56] We're going a little offtopic though. Try #ubuntu-discuss [10:56] Or* y'know..... [10:57] Openbox looks cool, it kinda reminds me of CrunchBang #! [10:57] Crunchbang was awesome in it's day. [10:57] It's a bit dated now though. [11:01] its no longer aviable [11:01] there is a revival project similar to #! [11:01] hello guys. stupid question: can chrome crashes and other be caused by a faulty disk? [11:01] I remember #! had a really good security guide on its forums [11:01] yeah sure [11:01] If the disk is broken the files cant be read etc [11:02] What motu isn't totally drowning in work and can look at my rusty packaging work with https://launchpad.net/~macslow/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=kmscon&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=? Actually everybody, who like EGL-accelerated system consoles, is to do so :) [11:02] its probably not the disk though, if only crome is crashing [11:02] in this case is SSD (Silicon Power brand) which is only two weeks old [11:03] The plain "it works for me" usually isn't enough testing :) [11:03] chrome sometimes crash and I have some other "system problem detected" messages from time to time [11:04] hmm [11:04] what distro [11:04] Ubuntu 22.04 [11:05] the output of `smartctl -a /dev/sda`: https://termbin.com/9t3zo [11:05] Exterminador: if software fails due to hardware issues, you should see error messages about this in dmesg around the same time the software failed, and both events should have been logged in the system logs the "journalctl" command would provide access to [11:06] I do have some crash reports on `/var/crash` [11:06] (I'm using live USB at this moment) [11:11] this is the latest Chrome crash: https://termbin.com/wa973 [11:13] Exterminador: unless software ubuntu provides is failing, i would not expect that you'll find someone to support this here [11:15] I had some crash related to pulseaudio 4 days ago but I can't reproduce it anymore [11:15] maybe it's resolved [11:16] tomreyn: here is my story short: tried to install ubuntu 22.10 from live usb... failed as it froze unexpectedly before reaching to graphical user interface or shortly after pressing the "try ubuntu" option... NOTE: laptop has Win10 pro and works well with it, no issues with sleep / wakeup... with 22.10, with help from others I managed to use the [11:16] system with nomodeset (install and use afterwards without errors)... problem arises when system goes to suspend. And recently, I figured out, the system is still alive, responsice, only has a blank screen [11:16] tomreyn: here is the bug report for this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/2000829 [11:16] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2000829 in linux (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu 22.10 only works with nomodeset - will freeze otherwise" [Undecided, Confirmed] [11:20] yes-ubuntu12: my recommendation on getting new / special hardware to work: try the latest LTS release first. if it doesn't work, try adding hardware specific PPAs as needed. if you have a dedicated intel GPU (rather new, little tested hardware) then using the oibaf PPA may help there. [11:21] hello [11:21] if this doesn't help, ensure you undo all the PPA configuratins and try a newer (can be a mainline build) kernel instead. if that also doesn'tr help, try the latest (non LTS) ubuntu release, too. [11:24] tomreyn: Dell Latitude 7390 was released in 2018 / 2019. Is this considered still new hardware? It the owner's manual Ubuntu is listed as supported OS -> https://dl.dell.com/content/manual17912857-dell-latitude-7390-owner-s-manual.pdf?language=en-us&ps=true [11:24] yes-ubuntu12: if you have pre-assembled hardware, such as this Latitude 7390, you can also look for dedicated guides for using it on ubuntu. you can also look at which hardware components it has, whether any of them may be uncommon or badly supported out of the box, and see whether you can find suggestions online on how to get those more stable on your specific linux version. also inspect the system logs and see whether there are error messages [11:24] about certain hardware components. [11:24] tomreyn: the graphics card is Intel Graphics UHD 620 [11:25] yes-ubuntu12: oh, weren't you the person trying the dedicated intel gpu guide earlier? maybe this was on a different computer then. [11:26] 2018 / 2019 hardware should have good support in 22.04 LTS unless for specifically badly supported hardware components [11:26] tomreyn: it was on this Dell Latitude 7390 ... I am trying to see if I can move on since I can see no response from the launchpad thread? [11:28] yes-ubuntu12: did you try a bios upgrade, yet? [11:28] tomreyn: I tried 22.10... 22.04... even more, since the laptop was released 2018 / 2019 ... I went back to 18.04 which worked fine from usb, and installed, until ... the system went into sleep or until I issued sudo systemctl suspend ... when, same issue as in 22.10 and the rest [11:28] dmi.bios.date: 11/20/2022 looks recent [11:29] tomreyn: yes, I did upgrade the bios, it is now latest version 1.30.0 [11:29] i'd check the system logs to see what happened after reboot. and disable automatic suspend [11:29] tomreyn: (with no effect) [11:32] yes-ubuntu12: i'm looking over the dmesg you posted on the bug report now, this will take some minutes [11:39] yes-ubuntu12: you have this message on your kernel log: intel-lpss: probe of INT3446:00 failed with error -16 this seems to directly related to suspend issues [11:41] yes-ubuntu12: "ACPI: OSL: Resource conflict; ACPI support missing from driver?" us nother message i'd want to look up [11:42] how to install ubuntu on virtual box using Mac air M1 as host os [11:44] yes-ubuntu12: try using this when the system stops working next time: [11:44] !sysrq | yes-ubuntu12 [11:44] yes-ubuntu12: In an emergency, you may be able to shutdown cleanly and reboot by holding down Alt+PrintScreen and typing slowly, in succession, S, U and B. For an explanation, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key [11:45] this should enable you to retain log files on disk before you reboot, so you can read them using journalctl -eb -1 after reboot [11:51] itsme5n: installing virtualbox on mac, is not an ubuntu question best to ask in the mac channel [11:55] itsme5n: once your mac virtualbox has been configurated, you can install ubuntu on it like pretty similar as a regular ubuntu setup [11:58] tomreyn: thank you for your suggestion, I will try it in a little bit [12:01] lotuspsychj3, virtualbox is available for intel pc and latest Mac is on apple silicon chip based so I am bit worried [12:03] itsme5n: i just read that virtualbox 7.0 can be used on mac m1. but which virtualization software works or does not work on your apple OS is really unrelated to ubuntu, as lotuspsychj3 already mentioned. [12:05] tomreyn, its beta version still under development as I have installed it successfully but when I try to boot from .iso file its telling boot not found in the media on booting initial screen [12:06] is there any was to get from grub> minimal bask-line back to the grub selection menu? [12:06] sorry If I am asking irrelevant questions to this group , but can anyone provide me channel name where I can discuss on it [12:07] the virtualbox people have an IRC channel somewhere... [12:08] !alis | itsme5n [12:08] itsme5n: Alis is an IRC service to help you find channels. For help on using it, see «/msg Alis help list» or ask in #libera - Example usage: «/msg Alis list http» [12:08] itsme5n: virtualbox support is provided in the #vbox channel on the OFTC (irc.oftc.net) IRC network - which is a different IRC server / network. [12:09] itsme5n: they also have a forum where you can try to find solutions to this very issue [12:09] yes-ubuntu12: try typing "normal" [12:09] normal will just start the system without showing the grub menu [12:11] yes-ubuntu12: yes, but you can repeatedly hit "esc" then without risking to enter the CLI again [12:12] yes, correct, thank you! :) [12:14] does the Alt+PrintScreen work any time? Just so that I can try how the system reacts and what II should expect? [12:17] yes-ubuntu12: do you mean the 'magic sysrq'? this only works once linux is loaded, which is not the case when grub is running [12:18] yes, I meant magic sysrq and yes I have loaded linux now, and wanted to see how it works before I really need it in an emergency [12:21] yes-ubuntu12: for testing 'magic sysrq', it's best to switch the fully booted system to a tty and start with sysrq h, which will print help output [12:21] that way you can ensure you're pressing the right buttons [12:24] tomreyn, thanks I got right channel :) [12:53] tomreyn: do I need to make sure I clean the logs before I do attempt to try sudo systemctl suspend ? or will the logs always append to each other and I can see the last suspend / wakeup / shutdown logs ? [12:55] tomreyn: which logs should I check ? [12:57] yes-ubuntu12: you do not need to 'clean the logs' before you try to suspend. whatever can be logged to disk (while the disk is still writable) will be logged to disk. [12:57] good [12:58] which log files should I check? [12:58] check the logs accessible with the journalctl command. for example, to see what was logged last before the latest reboot, use journalctl -eb -1 === NeoFAT32_ is now known as NeoFAT32 [13:18]