[12:01] <diddledani_> We're just getting ready now. The board members are filing in :-)
[12:01] <diddledani_> I see aaron-whitehouse is already here, so hopefully we can get started shortly <3
[12:02] <aaron-whitehouse> Yes, hi diddledani_
[12:05] <mapreri> o/
[12:05] <fenris> hi o/
[12:08] <diddledani> we're just waiting on one more
[12:09] <Kilos-> Hi all
[12:09] <aaron-whitehouse> (y)
[12:09] <diddledani> ok, shall we get started?
[12:09] <Kilos-> yessir
[12:10] <diddledani> miss* :-p
[12:10] <Kilos-> Hi Aaron
[12:10] <aaron-whitehouse> Hi
[12:10] <diddledani> #startmeeting
[12:11] <diddledani> ok, who left a meeting running?
[12:11] <diddledani> #endmeeting
[12:11] <diddledani> I can't end the pre-existing meeting
[12:11] <mapreri> #endmeeting
[12:11] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 12:11:33 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-01-17-15.30.moin.txt
[12:11] <diddledani> thankyou
[12:11] <mapreri> diddledani: go ahead :)
[12:11] <diddledani> #startmeeting Ubuntu Membership Board
[12:11] <meetingology> Meeting started at 12:11:55 UTC.  The chair is diddledani.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[12:12] <diddledani> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board meeting for 18th January 2023. The wiki page for the Review Boards is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards
[12:12] <diddledani> We will attempt to get through all the applicants that have added themselves to that list, or posted a thread to the Ubuntu Discourse, before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the complete list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.
[12:12] <diddledani> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[12:12] <diddledani> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page or Ubuntu Discourse thread. After the introduction, the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[12:12] <diddledani> During this time, it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[12:12] <diddledani> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If most of the voting board members vote +1, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (Feel free congratulate them!)
[12:12] <diddledani> Now, with any further ado, let's get started with the first applicant...
[12:12] <diddledani> #topic Aaron Whitehouse
[12:12] <aaron-whitehouse> Would you like me to introduce myself?
[12:12] <Kilos-> yes please
[12:12] <diddledani> Hi @aaron-whitehouse , could you please introduce yourself to the board, share your pre-written script (if you prepared one), and share your wiki and launchpad links
[12:13] <Kilos-> lol sorry diddledani
[12:13] <diddledani> :-p
[12:13] <diddledani> it's all good
[12:13] <aaron-whitehouse> I have been an Ubuntu fan and contributor since 2005 and signed the Ubuntu Code of Conduct back in 2006. My initial contributions (between 2005 and 2010, particularly) were focused on testing Ubuntu and reporting bugs. My recent contributions have been focused on making Ubuntu as good as it can be on the Public Clouds and producing guidance for
[12:13] <aaron-whitehouse> Ubuntu users.
[12:13] <aaron-whitehouse> My discourse post was here: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/aaron-whitehouse-membership-application/33084
[12:13] <aaron-whitehouse> And my wiki page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/aaron-whitehouse
[12:14] <aaron-whitehouse> I would be happy to expand on any points or answer any questions.
[12:15] <diddledani> Thank you, I will let the board have a browse through your links and ask any questions they have
[12:16] <fenris> based on @aaron wiki and testimonial , i cant ask more :)
[12:17] <diddledani> now this is a really solid application :-) I love to see lots of influential people endorsing you
[12:18] <mapreri> yes, the endorsements are very nice, thank you for collecting them!
[12:18] <aaron-whitehouse> Thank you. I have been fortunate to be able to interact with a lot of great Ubuntu people.
[12:18] <Kilos-> much better
[12:18] <mapreri> I don't have any question myself, I consider this a decently strong application. :)
[12:19]  * fenris too 
[12:19] <Kilos-> ditto
[12:19] <mapreri> And I agree with some of your advocates, that even applying before your canonical employment would have been very much fine!
[12:20] <aaron-whitehouse> Thanks mapreri
[12:20] <diddledani> ok, if there's no questions, then I'll open the floor for votes (wait for me to say go)
[12:21] <diddledani> #vote Aaron Whitehouse's application for membership
[12:21] <meetingology> Please vote on: Aaron Whitehouse's application for membership
[12:21] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname')
[12:21] <diddledani> #voters diddledani mapreri fenris kilos-
[12:21] <meetingology> Current voters: diddledani, fenris, kilos-, mapreri
[12:21] <diddledani> go
[12:21] <mapreri> +1 !
[12:21] <meetingology> +1 ! received from mapreri
[12:21] <fenris> +1
[12:21] <meetingology> +1 received from fenris
[12:21] <Kilos-> +1 Good work, keep it up please
[12:21] <diddledani> +1 Solid application, lots of testimonials and a long history of contributing from before becoming a Canonical employee
[12:21] <meetingology> +1 Solid application, lots of testimonials and a long history of contributing from before becoming a Canonical employee received from diddledani
[12:21] <mapreri> meetingology didn't like kilo's ?
[12:22] <Kilos-> +1
[12:22] <Kilos-> grrrrr
[12:22] <diddledani> hmm
[12:22] <nicoz[m]> congratulation aaron-whitehouse
[12:22] <Kilos-> why
[12:22] <mapreri> diddledani: you mispelled kilos nickname
[12:22] <mapreri> it's case-sensitive :)
[12:22] <diddledani> #voters Kilos->
[12:22] <meetingology> Warning: 'Kilos->' not in channel
[12:22] <meetingology> Current voters: Kilos->, diddledani, fenris, kilos-, mapreri
[12:22] <diddledani> #voters Kilos-
[12:22] <meetingology> Current voters: Kilos-, Kilos->, diddledani, fenris, kilos-, mapreri
[12:22] <diddledani> try again
[12:22] <diddledani> silly bot
[12:22] <nicoz[m]> nickname is different
[12:22] <nicoz[m]> Kilos-
[12:22] <Kilos> +1
[12:23] <mapreri> err
[12:23] <diddledani> hah. you removed the -
[12:23] <diddledani> #voters Kilos
[12:23] <meetingology> Current voters: Kilos, Kilos-, Kilos->, diddledani, fenris, kilos-, mapreri
[12:23] <diddledani> and again
[12:23] <Kilos> +1
[12:23] <meetingology> +1 received from Kilos
[12:23] <nicoz[m]> lol
[12:23] <mapreri> \o/
[12:23] <Kilos> yay
[12:23] <aaron-whitehouse> Haha
[12:23] <diddledani> #votesrequired 2
[12:23] <meetingology> Votes now need 2 to be passed
[12:23] <nicoz[m]> welcome on board
[12:23] <diddledani> #endvote
[12:23] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Aaron Whitehouse's application for membership
[12:23] <meetingology> Votes for: 4, Votes against: 0, Abstentions: 0
[12:23] <meetingology> Motion carried
[12:24] <aaron-whitehouse> Many thanks all!
[12:24] <mapreri> Welcome to the club!
[12:24] <mapreri> it's a club, right?
[12:24] <fenris> congratulation aaron-whitehouse and welcome on board !
[12:24] <Kilos> congrats aaron-whitehouse  keep it up
[12:25] <aaron-whitehouse> Will do, thanks
[12:25] <diddledani> Congratulations aaron-whitehouse , I'll get you added to the group shortly. Don't forget to check the perks at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership. Your @ubuntu.com email will go live within 48-72 hours. Do not set your @ubuntu.com email as your LP primary email as that will cause a loop
[12:25] <aaron-whitehouse> Understood, thanks diddledani
[12:26] <diddledani> And remember to apply for your certificate at https://forms.canonical.com/certificate/ once you're added to the ubuntumembers launchpad group
[12:26] <diddledani> I think that's everything I need to impart, knowledgewise...
[12:26] <Kilos> Thanks diddledani
[12:26] <diddledani> Thank you everyone for attending. With that I'll end the meeting, as we don't have any further applicants.
[12:26] <diddledani> #endmeeting
[12:26] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 12:26:57 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-01-18-12.11.moin.txt
[12:27] <mapreri> thank you diddledani for chairing and doing the paperwork :)
[12:27] <diddledani> :-)
[12:27] <diddledani> you're very welcome
[12:27] <fenris> thanks diddledani !
[12:27] <aaron-whitehouse> Indeed. And thanks all for your time. Hopefully I will talk to many of you again soon.
[12:32] <fenris> u r most welcome
[12:33] <diddledani> @aaron-whitehouse could you DM me your email address for CC: in the announcement email, please?
[15:56] <ddstreet> o/
[15:56] <mapreri> ddstreet, teward: o/
[15:56] <teward> yo
[15:56] <teward> 4min to meet time gonna make coffee
[16:00] <ddstreet> teward back with that tasty coffee? :)
[16:00] <teward> 1min
[16:01] <teward> but you can start
[16:01] <teward> since i have my phone to track the meeting
[16:01] <ddstreet> #startmeeting Ubuntu Backports Team
[16:01] <meetingology> Meeting started at 16:01:50 UTC.  The chair is ddstreet.  Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
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[16:02] <ddstreet> so, before we start (or instead of) the regular process, I'd like to suggest we devote today's meeting to discussing and voting on the Policies wiki page
[16:03] <ddstreet> is that ok or do either of you want to go thru the normal agenda first?
[16:03] <mapreri> ack, but one quick thing from me first:
[16:03] <mapreri> I've merged this a couple days ago: https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu-dev-tools/commit/?id=0f3d2fed2a4ed67b90b5d49aab25ca2bda5d9d37 - so now u-d-t should be "compliant" to our new policies.  if you spot anything else wrong please send patches/bugs.
[16:04] -ubottu:#ubuntu-meeting- Commit 0f3d2fe in ubuntu-dev-tools "requestbackport: Adapt to new backports policy (LP: #1959115)"
[16:04] <mapreri> Thanks to Krytarik Raido and Unit 193.
[16:04] <mapreri> .
[16:05] <mapreri> from me, anything else is as stated in the previous meeting, no updates, so I'm good with jumping over to charter, etc.
[16:06] <ddstreet> thanks, i saw the MR email, glad you reviewed and merged it :)
[16:06] <mapreri> there was a mail about it?
[16:06] <mapreri> uh
[16:06] <mapreri> well, nvm…
[16:06] <ddstreet> no, i meant i got an email from LP saying there was a MR open
[16:06] <ddstreet> automated email
[16:06] <mapreri> but it was not sent through a formal MR
[16:06] <mapreri> probably a commit notification?
[16:07] <ddstreet> yeah probably so, my mistake :)
[16:07] <ddstreet> but in any case, thanks :)
[16:08] <ddstreet> ok let's discuss the policies
[16:08] <ddstreet> #topic Discuss Policies proposal
[16:08] <ddstreet> for reference:
[16:08] <ddstreet> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports/Policies
[16:09] <ddstreet> as you both know, there's been mailing list and in-meeting discussion on this for a while
[16:09] <mapreri> should we go with policies first or charter, also because seb128 mailed the TB earlier today about the latter.
[16:09] <mapreri> but I reckon you have a plan in mind, so just go ahead and ignore me :)
[16:09] <ddstreet> my understanding from the discussion last meeting was that we'd vote on our own rules (i.e. policies wiki page) and the charter would be driven by the TB
[16:10] <ddstreet> that's what i thought we agreed before - that our rules/policies should be 'detached' from our charter
[16:10] <ddstreet> please correct me if either of you was thinking differently
[16:11] <ddstreet> what i was hoping for today is to have discussion, if required, for the current wiki page, and hopefully hold an actual vote on approving those policies for the team
[16:12] <mapreri> by "driven by the TB" you think we should just let them draft and do everything themselves?  Because i understood that yes, our previous one was pretty much no good, but they would still appreciate a draft from us?
[16:13] <ddstreet> well, i don't know to what extent they want to drive it, vs, us driving drafts, but my understanding is at minimum they want to be involved in the drafting process
[16:13] <mapreri> ok, then we can vote on the policy and make that one formal at least.
[16:13] <mapreri> let's think about a charter later.
[16:14] <ddstreet> so my hope is to finish reviewing and approving our own team policies; the charter will be a longer-term collaboration with the TB, I think
[16:14] <ddstreet> yep
[16:14] <ddstreet> ok so are there any comments or concerns around the team policies that we should discuss before voting?
[16:15] <mapreri> one question that came to my mind recently: the policies currently don't have a single mention of our "quality standards", workflows, etc.  basically it's just about team management.  I don't know how come I never realized, but is that intentional?
[16:18] <ddstreet> not intentional; i think it's because it 'evolved' from what i wanted to be our charter, which i took to focus mostly on team structure and operation
[16:18] <ddstreet> said another way, a lot of what's in our policies today is what i personally think should be in a 'charter'
[16:18] <mapreri> which is great by itself.
[16:19] <ddstreet> i do agree we should have details on our process and quality, etc, however a lot of that is inherited e.g. the UbuntuBackports wiki page
[16:19] <mapreri> so, should policies be only about the team, and leave the rest to the main page, more informally?  and/or perhaps move those things to a more formal page later on?
[16:20] <ddstreet> the policies page does link to our wiki page as the 'team wiki page' for documentation
[16:21] <ddstreet> so yeah, maybe we should keep the 'policies' page with details about team processes and rules, but actual docs about the backport process and rules elsewhere (but linked from the policies page)
[16:21] <mapreri> the link to "documentation" is very generic, but I consider it fine as it is.
[16:23] <mapreri> teward: do you have any input whatsoever about this document?
[16:25] <ddstreet> teward or, are you ready to vote on approving it?
[16:26] <ddstreet> or mapreri do you have any other discussion points for it?
[16:26] <mapreri> no, that was my only one
[16:26] <teward> stdby
[16:26] <teward> playing catchup after a call from law enforcement partners the pastt 5 minutes
[16:28] <teward> no input at the moment all has been good so far
[16:28] <ddstreet> ok let's take a vote
[16:29] <ddstreet> #vote Approve UbuntuBackports Policies
[16:29] <meetingology> Please vote on: Approve UbuntuBackports Policies
[16:29] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname')
[16:29] <teward> +1
[16:29] <meetingology> +1 received from teward
[16:29] <ddstreet> and for recordkeeping, this is for this version (the latest, currently) of the wiki page:
[16:29] <ddstreet> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports/Policies?action=recall&rev=16
[16:29] <ddstreet> +1
[16:29] <meetingology> +1 received from ddstreet
[16:29] <mapreri> +1
[16:29] <meetingology> +1 received from mapreri
[16:29] <ddstreet> #endvote
[16:29] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Approve UbuntuBackports Policies
[16:29] <meetingology> Votes for: 3, Votes against: 0, Abstentions: 0
[16:30] <meetingology> Motion carried
[16:30] <ddstreet> great! :)
[16:30] <ddstreet> that felt like a long process :-)
[16:30] <ddstreet> i'll update the wiki page to remove the 'draft' header
[16:30] <ddstreet> #action ddstreet update policies wiki page to remove 'draft' header
[16:30] <meetingology> ACTION: ddstreet update policies wiki page to remove 'draft' header
[16:31] <mapreri> and link in the main page somewhere
[16:31] <ddstreet> main page being https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports ?
[16:32] <ddstreet> that's linked already in the 'definitions' section
[16:32] <ddstreet> or you mean link to policies from that page?
[16:32] <mapreri> the latter, yes
[16:33] <ddstreet> ack
[16:33] <ddstreet> #action ddstreet add link to policies wiki page, to main wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[16:33] <meetingology> ACTION: ddstreet add link to policies wiki page, to main wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[16:34] <ddstreet> one related issue, i basically inherited the 'chair' position from the team 'reboot' last year; but i'm happy to have an actual vote for chair if either of you want to
[16:34] <mapreri> happy to leave as it is :)
[16:35] <ddstreet> sounds good to me :)
[16:36] <ddstreet> so we still have some time left, but i don't think there are many updates to our agenda items, shall we end the meeting now or do either of you want me to run thru the agenda items?
[16:37] <mapreri> aside from the point I mentioned at the start, I don't have any other update, so I'm good
[16:37] <mapreri> however, we may want to figure out quickly at least if we want to answer to seb?
[16:38] <mapreri> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2023-January/002703.html
[16:39] <ddstreet> #topic TB email for charter clarification
[16:39] <ddstreet> sure someone should reply for clarification
[16:40] <ddstreet> any thoughts on what the next steps for charter should be?
[16:40] <ddstreet> should we drive the next steps or should we ask the TB to drive? Or ask the TB to at least provide some guidelines/template/etc for a draft we create?
[16:41] <ddstreet> I feel like we need some kind of direction from the TB before we draft anything new
[16:41] <mapreri> or at this point pick Robie's example and go from there…?
[16:42] <ddstreet> i guess? so that would basically be asking Robie to draft a charter based on hs example that we could discuss?
[16:44] <ddstreet> no matter the content, I think a key point of this will be who actually drives the charter
[16:44] <ddstreet> and I don't personally want to do that
[16:45] <mapreri> let me try something tomorrow about this, I'll draft an answer email and ask you to briefly review it (so that I don't write something that it's not "consensus")
[16:45] <ddstreet> works for me, thanks!
[16:45] <ddstreet> you want action item for that?
[16:45] <mapreri> pls
[16:46] <ddstreet> #action mapreri draft response email re: charter to TB
[16:46] <meetingology> ACTION: mapreri draft response email re: charter to TB
[16:46] <ddstreet> ok let's move to AOB before wrap?
[16:46] <ddstreet> #topic AOB
[16:46] <mapreri> none from me
[16:46] <ddstreet> any final topics?
[16:47] <ddstreet> ok last thing then is our next meeting, should we schedule for 4 weeks?
[16:47] <ddstreet> i think that makes it Feb 15
[16:47] <ddstreet> any objections?
[16:47] <mapreri> nope, I'm good
[16:48] <ddstreet> #action ddstreet schedule next mtg 2023-02-15 same time
[16:48] <meetingology> ACTION: ddstreet schedule next mtg 2023-02-15 same time
[16:48] <ddstreet> ok i think we're wrapped then! great meeting! :)
[16:48] <ddstreet> #endmeeting
[16:48] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 16:48:16 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-01-18-16.01.moin.txt
[16:48] <ddstreet> thanks mapreri teward !
[16:48] <mapreri> o/