[20:41] OvenWerks: Looks like, from a seed standpoint, pulseaudio and pipewire-pulse are no longer co-installable as pipewire-pulse now pulls-in pipewire-alsa as a recommends which "Breaks: pulseaudio". [20:41] I've tried everything I can to blacklist it to no avail. [21:51] Eickmeyer: don't worry about PA then [21:52] Eickmeyer: controls will still have a pa-jack mode but it just won't work ubuntu [21:52] OvenWerks: It also won't work on Debian because that's where the change came from. [21:53] Eickmeyer: I understand, probably not lots of other places too. [21:53] Eickmeyer: but it will work with places with no PW [22:33] OvenWerks: Never did figure out a Jack-PW bridge? [22:34] Eickmeyer: I want it to just work in either pulse/jack or pipewire modes first. [22:35] It seems I am way behind :P [22:35] That's fine. I've got the pipewire mode figured out, it'll be the default in lunar. [22:36] my guess is that those who are diehard jackd users are not using ubuntu anyway [22:36] Switching off pipewire and starting native Jack is fairly easy. [22:36] (or pulse) [22:36] yes [22:37] I can do that here [22:37] no reboot required [22:38] I am using the ALSA fw stack right now though. switching to ffado still requires reboot [22:38] Yep [22:41] I am the designated cabbie today. I have three people working at different times :P My youngest being on his second weekend of work. [22:42] So I pick my Yf up at 3 then my son at 5... same place though. The other son is doing the bus [22:51] Oh fun! Yeah, I've done that! [23:49] OvenWerks: filed Debian bug 1029377 [23:49] -ubottu:#ubuntustudio-devel- Debian bug 1029377 in pipewire-pulse "pipewire-pulse: Please remove Recommends: pipewire-alsa" [Important, Open] https://bugs.debian.org/1029377 [23:49] Hopefully that will get this sorted.