[20:41] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Looks like, from a seed standpoint, pulseaudio and pipewire-pulse are no longer co-installable as pipewire-pulse now pulls-in pipewire-alsa as a recommends which "Breaks: pulseaudio".
[20:41] <Eickmeyer> I've tried everything I can to blacklist it to no avail.
[21:51] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: don't worry about PA then
[21:52] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: controls will still have a pa-jack mode but it just won't work ubuntu
[21:52] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: It also won't work on Debian because that's where the change came from.
[21:53] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I understand, probably not lots of other places too.
[21:53] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer:  but it will work with places with no PW
[22:33] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Never did figure out a Jack-PW bridge?
[22:34] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I want it to just work in either pulse/jack or pipewire modes first.
[22:35] <OvenWerks> It seems I am way behind :P
[22:35] <Eickmeyer> That's fine. I've got the pipewire mode figured out, it'll be the default in lunar.
[22:36] <OvenWerks> my guess is that those who are diehard jackd users are not using ubuntu anyway
[22:36] <Eickmeyer> Switching off pipewire and starting native Jack is fairly easy.
[22:36] <OvenWerks> (or pulse)
[22:36] <OvenWerks> yes
[22:37] <OvenWerks> I can do that here
[22:37] <OvenWerks> no reboot required
[22:38] <OvenWerks> I am using the ALSA fw stack right now though. switching to ffado still requires reboot
[22:38] <Eickmeyer> Yep
[22:41] <OvenWerks> I am the designated cabbie today. I have three people working at different times  :P My youngest being on his second weekend of work.
[22:42] <OvenWerks> So I pick my Yf up at 3 then my son at 5... same place though. The other son is doing the bus
[22:51] <Eickmeyer> Oh fun! Yeah, I've done that!
[23:49] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: filed Debian bug 1029377
[23:49] -ubottu:#ubuntustudio-devel- Debian bug 1029377 in pipewire-pulse "pipewire-pulse: Please remove Recommends: pipewire-alsa" [Important, Open] https://bugs.debian.org/1029377
[23:49] <Eickmeyer> Hopefully that will get this sorted.