[05:47] <tcuthbert> :O
[06:16] <alkisg> I wanted to try out lxd for chroot management. Did I understand correctly that it won't be available as a .deb anymore, and it'll be snap-only?
[06:20] <rbox> "chroot management"?
[06:20] <nardo> :0
[06:21] <alkisg> rbox: yeh, to create chroots, then to install programs on them etc
[06:21] <rbox> what do you need lxd for that?
[06:22] <alkisg> How can you create an alpine chroot in fedora?
[06:22] <alkisg> I'm very open to alternatives... but usually that means a pre-packaged image to be downloaded, and then the chroot command can be used to maintain it, although it'll need some cgroup handling to function properly
[06:25] <alkisg> ...and mkosi doesn't seem mature and cross-distro enough yet...
[07:50] <silv3r_m00n2> hi there, i booted into ubuntu on this laptop after about a month and all my google chrome tabs and sessions are gone completely, i cant seem to recover it anyway. looks like chrome has delete old session files, is there a way to recover those files ?
[08:04] <ducasse> alkisg: lxd is snap only now, yes
[08:05] <alkisg> Thank you ducasse (sorry to hear that though :/)
[08:05] <ducasse> yeah, so was i :(
[08:06] <alkisg> I'll give mkosi another shot
[08:07] <ducasse> alkisg: there's also lxc-utils, and systemd containers
[08:08] <alkisg> Can they download images from https://images.linuxcontainers.org ?
[08:10] <alkisg> Ah, it says "In LXC, this image server can be used by selecting the "lxc-download" template. "
[08:10] <alkisg> Hopefully lxc-utils won't be snap-only... trying...
[08:11] <ducasse> i still have a few lxc containers i haven't migrated, it works fine
[08:28] <hiya> How to share VPN connection over Wifi on GNU/Linux? When using the same wifi adapter to access Internet?
[08:52] <Chunkyz> Morning all ❣️❤️
[09:15] <riley_> server
[09:15] <riley_> server testing
[09:15] <riley_> hello
[09:21] <mave> Well, security updates behind a paywall...
[09:21] <mave> time to phase out Ubuntu
[09:23] <mave> had fun since hoary hedgehog, but this is unacceptable
[09:29] <Chunkyz> He left. 😂
[10:42] <mei> what updates?
[10:42] <mei> i'm running LTS free
[10:43] <ravage> https://p.haxxors.com/xpst0it9.txt
[10:44] <Znevna> heh
[10:45] <Znevna> so I'm not the only one that finds that a little annoying
[10:45] <ravage> limiting access to any security update is just wrong
[10:46] <mei> what's going on
[10:46] <ogra> pro is free ...
[10:46] <ogra> (unless you are a big commercial company)
[10:47] <Znevna> notifying users of that could've been done in a less annoying way I'm sure :p
[10:47] <mei> i don't even know what this ubuntu pro thing is
[10:47] <ogra> well, these are updates you would normally not get at all ...
[10:47] <mei> i'm running ubuntu server lts
[10:47] <mei> how does that affect me?
[10:48] <ravage> libopenexr25 is a dep for gimp
[10:48] <ogra> if you are using unsupported universe packages in your setup and want to opt in for security updates for these (for which canonical makes big companies pay) you can have them for free ...
[10:49] <ravage> so im pretty sure a lot of people will see this
[10:51] <amcsi> hey
[10:51] <mei> it seems to me
[10:51] <mei> that lts in the first 5 years include it?
[10:52] <mei> https://ubuntu.com/pro it does a comparsion where LTS has 5 years, and Pro has 10 years
[10:52] <amcsi> does anyone know a good screenshot taking application with which with PrintScreen I can capture a screenshot, and it does both without any confirmation windows: 1) save it to a file 2) copy it to the clipboard
[10:52] <mei> i will update each new lts so i don't think im involved
[10:55] <mei> https://ubuntu.com/pricing/pro it's free only on desktop if "infra-only" dunno what that means
[10:55] <ogra> mei, univers is completely unsupported by canonical .. that packages you see being updateable would not have had any security fixes before pro existed
[10:55] <mei> they would be fixed by the community (?)
[10:56] <mei> if you use universe, you know already that it's community based
[10:56] <mei> pro is going to patch security of community packages?
[10:56] <ogra> right, except that the community fixes were a really rare occasion
[10:57] <ogra> now they are a regular thing offered by canonical
[10:57] <mei> i wonder how they can support only security
[10:57] <mei> but generally not the package
[10:57] <mei> so if you have a bug, ask the community
[10:57] <mei> if you have security bug, we deal with it
[10:57] <mei> seems weird
[10:58] <mei> they basically pick the community package and apply some patches?
[10:58] <ogra> yes, the security fixes are backported ...
[10:58] <mei> backported from where?
[10:58] <mei> if the packages exist only only in universe
[10:58] <ogra> upstream, CVEs, wheerver a security patch gets offered
[10:59] <mei> okay
[10:59] <mei> and how they will manage
[10:59] <mei> if an universe package get updated
[10:59] <mei> by the mantainer?
[10:59] <mei> they build a new patch on it?
[10:59] <mei> i just don't understand this overlay
[10:59] <ogra> nah ... LTS packages do not get updated
[10:59] <mei> since is conflictual
[10:59] <mei> ohhh
[10:59] <mei> i see
[10:59] <mei> not ven in the first 5 years?
[10:59] <mei> even
[10:59] <mei> i didn't know that
[10:59] <ogra> (they never did, there are special occasions, but they are rare)
[11:00] <mei> so what
[11:00] <mei> "maintenance updates" are? vs "security updates"
[11:00] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[11:00] <mei> by updated by a maintainer
[11:00] <ogra> this is the only way to get a package in an LTS updated
[11:00] <mei> i mean that they fix a bug
[11:00] <mei> not a new version
[11:00] <ogra> right
[11:00] <mei> let me see
[11:01] <ogra> a fix for a certain security hole gets backported but the package does not get updated otherwise
[11:01] <mei> this seems weird
[11:01] <mei> i thought universe could patch security
[11:03] <mei> so you can update a package if 1. security 2. severe regression 3. loss of user data 4. let work with current protocols
[11:03] <mei> doesn't that apply to universe?
[11:03] <ogra> it does
[11:03] <mei> so what happens if
[11:03] <mei> pro add a fix for security
[11:04] <mei> and after in universe a package
[11:04] <mei> get an update by idk 4. reason
[11:04] <ogra> but if nobody does it, such a rule is pointless
[11:04] <mei> they conclift
[11:04] <mei> conflict
[11:04] <ogra> how would it conflict ?
[11:04] <mei> so the mantainer
[11:04] <mei> get their package updated by canoninal
[11:04] <mei> and after that
[11:04] <ogra> to add such a patch it needs to be uploaded to te archive by a maintainer
[11:04] <mei> the package is again their?
[11:04] <mei> so how canonical
[11:04] <mei> can patch universe?
[11:04] <mei> if it require the maintainer?
[11:05] <ogra> the archive checks if a newer or same version exists and will refuse the upload
[11:05] <mei> so you are saying that
[11:05] <mei> the mantainer will have to patch
[11:05] <mei> the patched version
[11:05] <mei> after?
[11:05] <ogra> what do you mean by "the maintainer" ?
[11:05] <mei> okay i see
[11:05] <mei> the one in charge of the package in universe
[11:05] <mei> or the community not sure
[11:05] <ogra> who would that be ?
[11:05] <mei> i have no idea
[11:05] <ogra> there are no dedicated maintainers in ubuntu
[11:06] <ogra> the majority pf packages is team maintained
[11:07] <ogra> i.e. for universe this is the MOTU ... or a dedicated team for a set of packages (imagine the lubuntu team caring for all LXQT packages)
[11:07] <mei> okay so my question is
[11:07] <mei> let's say ubuntu pro patch a package security
[11:07] <mei> after MOTU need to update the package
[11:07] <mei> for one of the allowed reason
[11:08] <squarecircle> sarnold: hey, it works quite good actually, crypting an nbd device
[11:08] <mei> they need to start from the updated package
[11:08] <mei> made by canonical?
[11:08] <ogra> then this would be coordnated beween the two teams
[11:08] <mei> okay it's a lil weird
[11:08] <ogra> that teams communicate ?
[11:08] <ogra> 😛
[11:08] <mei> sure but
[11:08] <mei> you don't expectd
[11:08] <mei> a "community" team
[11:08] <mei> to be fast as a paid
[11:08] <mei> pro team
[11:09] <ogra> right
[11:09] <mei> so communication can be slow
[11:09] <mei> i expect canonical to be able to push security fixes
[11:09] <mei> on their own
[11:09] <ogra> sure
[11:09] <ogra> that will happen
[11:09] <mei> so its' the community side
[11:09] <mei> that when have to update an updated package
[11:09] <mei> have to deal with security pro team?
[11:10] <ogra> i'd guess so ... time will tell ... the process is still new i guess
[11:10] <ogra> but it will surely work out
[11:10] <mei> what does it mean free for
[11:10] <mei> inra
[11:10] <mei> infra
[11:10] <mei> "infra-only"
[11:10] <ogra> point is, before you had no security updates at all for these packages, now you do
[11:11] <mei> ogra: based on the rules of the page you linked, community could be patching security....
[11:11] <ogra> infra is a certain set of packages (i.e. not desktop) .... i think that is described on the pro page
[11:11] <mei> so well
[11:11] <ogra> ubuntu.com/pro ...
[11:11] <mei> it's not free
[11:11] <mei> it's only paid
[11:11] <mei> the rant by the user was about a lib
[11:11] <mei> used by gimp right?
[11:11] <mei> they have to pay for that fix
[11:12] <mei> if the lib is not infra-only
[11:12] <ogra> huh ?
[11:12] <mei> The following security updates require Ubuntu Pro with 'esm-apps' enabled:
[11:12] <mei>   libopenexr25
[11:12] <ogra> if you sign up for pro, this costs you nothing unless you are a big commercial company
[11:12] <mei> someone answered that it was free
[11:12] <mei> where is this explained?
[11:13] <ogra> it then gives you access to the security fixes in universe
[11:13] <mei> https://ubuntu.com/pricing/pro i see only paid versions here
[11:13] <ogra> ubuntu.com/pro ... "free for personal use" ...
[11:14] <mei> okay
[11:14] <mei> different page
[11:14] <ogra> 5 machines for anyone ... 50 machines for ubuntu community members
[11:14] <mei> okay
[11:14] <mei> got it
[11:14] <mei> well we don't know if the one ranting had a 5 machines situation though :)
[11:15] <ogra> well, i doubt it 🙂
[11:15] <ogra> but we cant ask anymore anyway
[11:16] <mei> many things are anyway installed by upstream repositories...
[11:16] <mei> example docker... nodejs...
[11:16] <mei> i wonder what situation
[11:16] <mei> require universe
[11:16] <ogra> heh, i use snaps for all of these
[11:16] <mei> snaps are by upstream?
[11:16] <mei> flatpak should
[11:16] <ogra> some
[11:16] <mei> oh okay
[11:18] <Znevna> I doubt that anyone's first thought while reading that message when doing updates will be "hey lemme see if it's free for personal use"
[11:18] <ogra> nodejs surely is .. and thanks to snaps you can have ten different node vrsions in parallel (or 100 ... though i doubt anyone would need that 🙂 )
[11:18] <ogra> Znevna, file a bug t improve the message
[11:18] <ogra> *to
[11:18] <mei> yeah it's a weird message
[11:18] <Dr_Alban> hello
[11:18] <mei> i think most of desktop users
[11:18] <mei> will wonder what is pro
[11:19] <Znevna> ogra: easier to search on how can you make it go away
[11:19] <ogra> well, if you prefer ...
[11:19] <mei> it seems a message made to push subscriptions to me
[11:19] <Znevna> I don't like extra useless lines in my terminal
[11:20] <mei> also
[11:20] <mei> even if it's free
[11:20] <mei> i wonder how many will not like to "register" and "login"
[11:20] <mei> to get updates
[11:20] <mei> it requires ubuntu one account
[11:20] <ogra> really up to them
[11:21] <ogra> you can always ignore the message ... or find some tutorial to disable it
[11:21] <mei> it's hard to figure out what is happening
[11:21] <ogra> after all is *is* a paid service ... but fairly paid by the companies that can affrod it ... to give it freely to people that can not
[11:21] <mei> you get that message open that page
[11:21] <mei> and what?
[11:21] <mei> i would not really figure out the meaning
[11:22] <mei> it's a bit complex
[11:22] <mei> although, if you see the message, i think you are using the terminal?
[11:22] <mei> maybe through ui you won't
[11:22] <ogra> again, file bugs ...
[11:22] <mei> so maybe it's not really pushed to consumers
[11:22] <ogra> ubuntu-bug ubuntu-advantage-tools
[11:22] <ogra> ... is the command you need ...
[11:23] <mei> it's fine
[11:23] <mei> i just dont use universe
[11:23] <mei> not involved by that
[11:24] <Znevna> the only bug I'd report is that you can't remove it without also removing ubuntu-desktop
[11:24] <Znevna> which I kinda need
[11:25] <ogra> only when doing release->new-realese updates
[11:25] <ogra> ubuntu-desktop is just a meta package ... you can always uninstall it
[11:25] <ogra> (just make sure to re-install it before going to the next LTS)
[11:29] <mei> what's the difference between pro, related to main, and ESM?
[11:29] <mei> they seems to cover the same
[11:30] <ogra> esm is pro
[11:30] <mei> okay
[11:31] <ogra> (or rather esm is part of pro)
[11:40] <mei> what
[11:40] <mei> apt update already tell you how to disable it guys
[11:40] <mei> "Use 'pro config set apt_news=false' to hide this and future APT news"
[11:40] <mei> you didn't see it!?
[11:41] <mei> apt upgrade*
[11:42] <ogra> mei, that only disables the "news"
[11:43] <ogra> i.e. that specific message
[11:46] <mei> i think it's good they let you know
[11:46] <mei> you have security bugs
[11:46] <mei> even if it's paid
[11:46] <mei> it's a nice allert
[11:46] <mei> alert
[11:47] <mei> without a message you would just not know about it
[11:47] <mei> wich is the worst situation
[12:44] <keiserr> Hello, I am experiencing a weird problem in ubuntu form 20.04 to now 22.04. my left click button was not working, unless i kill X and launch again, mouse works for like 2 minutes then left click stops working, sometimes when i move the pointer, it is selecting stuffs on my desktop. I thought i would upgrade to 22.04 yesterday to hopefully fix this, but still no fix, now i am on wayland, still same issue. be it touchpad or mouse, both are acting weird. Any
[12:44] <keiserr> idea?
[12:49] <mei> i'd try to add a new user and see if you have the same issue with it
[12:51] <ravage> could also be a hardware problem
[12:56] <keiserr> the same mouse works on a different ubuntu 20.04, no issues there.though on that one i did not apply any updates other than just security updates
[12:58] <ice9> in 22.10: "Dark"  style is selected, however backgrounds and menus are still on the "default" style; if I switched "color", they become "dark" and then reset after relogin or sometime; any idea?
[13:08] <keiserr> i shifted form wayland to x, the issue is still present.
[13:11] <ogra> well, start with creating a fresh testuser (you can delete it afterwards again) to see if some old/broken setting might be the cause of it ...
[13:14] <ogra> if you ruled that out i'd leave a terminal open on the desktop and run "jounralctl -f" in it so that you can see if there are any odd log messages exatctly at the time this happens ...
[13:14] <ogra> *journalctl
[13:27] <keiserr> rebooted and logged back in as the new testmouse user, left click still does not work. I say this error with journalctl -f: "/usr/libexec/gdm-x-session[1609]: (II) event7 - TP PS/2 IBMTrackPoint: Enabling button debouncing, see https://wayland.freedesktop.org/libinput/doc/1.20.0/button-debouncing.html for details"
[13:28] <keiserr> though i have typed this error as i can't copy paste
[13:28] <keiserr> i will be going through that doc and still nothing, then i will check back here
[13:30] <ogra> 👍
[13:34] <ogra> keiserr, i guess that page isnt helpful to work around the issue (you should file a bug as it suggests though) ... see https://askubuntu.com/a/1201038 for a workaround
[13:44] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:17] <throwthecheese> How do I get Ubuntu to detect my ES8336 audio card?
[14:18] <lotuspsychj3> throwthecheese: ubuntu should load modules for hardware automatic at boot, if not check on your dmesg
[14:18] <throwthecheese> I had to reinstall Ubuntu as I had to reinstall Windows and my previous Ubuntu partition got shredded in the process
[14:20] <throwthecheese> I upgraded my kernel to 6.1-rc1 (stock kernel doesn't have complete support for my device) and grabbed the relevant firmware from here: https://github.com/yangxiaohua2009/custom-kernel, but I get a dummy input in my audio settings
[14:22] <lotuspsychj3> throwthecheese: stock kernel of wich ubuntu release is not picking it up?
[14:22] <throwthecheese> I checked my dmesg and I found something about the respective tplg not being loaded
[14:23] <throwthecheese> 22.04 for your last question
[14:26] <WaV> Did you upgrade the kernel because of the audio card or because your hardware is newer?
[14:27] <throwthecheese> I upgraded my kernel to get my tablet stylus work as intended
[14:27] <WaV> Ok did it work in another kernel?
[14:27] <WaV> the audio that is
[14:29] <throwthecheese> I managed to get audio working after installing 6.1-rc1 and changing a configuration but this was before my Ubuntu partition was destroyed
[14:30] <WaV> Did you run the shell script that came in that repository that you linked that installs firmware/tplg and ucm?
[14:31] <throwthecheese> I could get my device detected under a previous kernel version but I couldn't get playback working back then
[14:31] <throwthecheese> And yes, I did run the shell script
[14:33] <lotuspsychj3> throwthecheese: did you file a bug on the stock kernel yet?
[14:33] <WaV> I'm not sure. Maybe pastebin the output of dmesg and paste a link here and someone can help walk you through the next steps towards resolution.
[14:33] <throwthecheese> I followed this guide before gaining knowledge of the new kernel that supposedly has full support for ES8336: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Vj58wxd7aR8J:https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/07/fix-no-sound-issue-ubuntu-22-04-essx8336/&cd=1&hl=hu&ct=clnk&gl=hu&client=ubuntu
[14:36] <throwthecheese> For clarification, I'm on 6.1-rc1 at this moment
[14:37] <throwthecheese> Playback did work under this kernel
[14:37] <lotuspsychj3> throwthecheese: there seems to be a bug on https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=215119
[14:37] -ubottu:#ubuntu- bugzilla.kernel.org bug 215119 in Drivers "ES8336 and AMD Renoir: no sound from speakers/jack" [High, New]
[14:40] <throwthecheese> brb
[14:41] <throwthecheese> Back
[14:43] <throwthecheese> Tried to disable pulseaudio (as I have pipewire installed) but my audio hardware still doesn't get detected
[14:44] <lotuspsychj3> throwthecheese: another idea could be testing a higher kernel or ubuntu release as a test, see if your audio gets picked up there
[14:45] <lotuspsychj3> throwthecheese: unless you already tryed a 5.19 kernel?
[14:45] <throwthecheese> Point is that I could get it work on my previous installation and I can't quite remember how I did it
[14:46] <lotuspsychj3> throwthecheese: well, your device should work out of the box, if not i would file a bug about it and work from there as base
[14:46] <lotuspsychj3> throwthecheese: once your bug exist, you can start testing with kernels and !mainline kernels
[14:50] <throwthecheese> It didn't work out of the box when I first installed Ubuntu on this device
[14:51] <lotuspsychj3> throwthecheese: you could boot back into your kernel that came with your install, then file a bug; ubuntu-bug linux
[14:52] <throwthecheese> However, I could get my device detected on my previous installation
[14:54] <lotuspsychj3> throwthecheese: previous install wich ubuntu release/kernel?
[14:54] <throwthecheese> Now that I had to start over from square one, I can't even get rid of the dummy output issue
[14:54] <throwthecheese> 22.04
[14:54] <throwthecheese> With stock kernel
[14:55] <lotuspsychj3> throwthecheese: if 22.04 was your previous working install, wich release is your current broken install?
[14:56] <throwthecheese> Also 22.04
[14:56] <lotuspsychj3> throwthecheese: you just mean its not working on kernel 6.1-rc1 then?
[14:57] <throwthecheese> I already had 6.1-rc1 installed when I finally got playback working on my previous installation
[15:00] <throwthecheese> brb
[15:02] <throwthecheese> Switched back to my stock kernel; still have the dummy input issue
[15:03] <squarecircle> Ok. stupid question: why can I access my vdisk, if I attach it via virt-manager (GUI) but it fails, if I do `virsh attach-disk <stuff>`?
[15:04] <lotuspsychj3> throwthecheese: ok, create your bug from there with; ubuntu-bug linux
[15:04] <WaV> throwthecheese: file a bug as per lotuspsychj3 suggestion
[15:04] <squarecircle> If I attach it via virsh, it only shows as 1.1GB, if I do it via GUI, I can access the whole 1000GB
[15:06] <squarecircle> is there a way, that I can see, which command virt-manager sends to the vhost?
[15:57] <v8camel> !cloakme
[17:02] <Chunkyz> Afternoon all ❣️❤️
[17:40] <p3lim> hi, I'm trying to give a different group access to libvirt, but I'm having trouble getting the polkit to work out, this is my current rule: https://pastebin.com/LKryrqVM
[17:40] <alocer> Anyone knows where can i get my hands on Lunar testing iso?
[17:41] <WaV> https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/pending/
[17:41] <alocer> p3lim: appologies for my newb question. but should you limit the access to command itself and not he libvirt?
[17:42] <alocer> WaV: Thanks
[17:42] <p3lim> alocer: I'm not intending for the group to use `virsh` locally on the machine, they'd use virt-manager on their workstation over ssh
[17:42] <p3lim> which is why I need to use polkit, otherwise it'd be a sudo rule
[17:43] <p3lim> and no, adding every single user to the libvirt group is not ok
[17:43] <WaV> alocer: Np. If you have other support questions, I encourage you to join #ubuntu-next.
[17:44] <WaV> (for lunar support specifically)
[17:48] <alocer> p3lim: i don't have the answer to your problem but lets say that virsh command has the permission of '0777' how can polkit prevent it from execution? so they are always running virsh behind sudo or else polkit is pointless! did i understand correctly?
[17:55] <zasalamel> pruzenn tap in your keyboard [sudo==restart==main==serverX==youtube.com==server==last==save]
[17:59] <zasalamel> pruzenn you install in your game some game cheats
[17:59] <arraybolt3> zasalamel: Excuse me?
[18:12] <zasalamel> pruzeen tap with your keyboard [ inode==scan==your==(conputer==name)]
[18:13] <arraybolt3> zasalamel: Do you have an Ubuntu support question?
[18:13] <zasalamel> pruzenntap with your keyboard [ inode==erase==all==virus]
[18:13] <arraybolt3> zasalamel: Please stop.
[18:39] <tesseract> guys, ubuntu officially supports for universe repo now?
[18:40] <tesseract> "Every Ubuntu LTS release comes with 5 years of free security patching for Ubuntu main, the primary repository for the Ubuntu OS. With Ubuntu Pro that support is expanded to 10 years and now covers Ubuntu Universe which includes over 23,000 software packages."
[18:40] <tesseract> in ubuntu blog
[18:40] <tesseract> was it supporting universe repo before in first 5 years?
[18:40] <tesseract> as far as i remember they weren't
[18:41] <tesseract> anyone has knowledge about this?
[18:41] <Sarkozi> oi
[18:41] <Sarkozi> gostaria de saber qual o canal oficial do linux mint
[18:41] <tesseract> so, for example VLC will get security updates for 10 years?
[18:41] <tomreyn> !mint | Sarkozi
[18:42] <tomreyn> tesseract: i don't know what you are referring to, using URLs can help
[18:42] <Sarkozi> tanks
[18:42] <tomreyn> tesseract: there is https://ubuntu.com/pro
[18:42] <tesseract> tomreyn: https://ubuntu.com/blog/ubuntu-pro-enhanced-security-and-manageability-for-linux-desktop
[18:43] <tesseract> tomreyn: were ubuntu supporting officially universe repo before?
[18:43] <tesseract> was*
[18:44] <tomreyn> universe previously depended on commnuity support. there was the occasional security patch by the ubuntu security team
[18:44] <tesseract> tomreyn: so, now fully supported? when did it happen?
[18:44] <tomreyn> now, as ubuntu pro was updated, as you can read on the page i posted, there is free "best effort" support for "Over 23,000 packages in Ubuntu Universe repository"
[18:45] <tesseract> "best effort" kills the hype i guess
[18:45] <tomreyn> i'd say "best effort" and "fully supported" are not the same thing
[18:47] <arraybolt3> tesseract: Also important to note that 23,000 packages in Universe is not the same as "the entirety of Universe".
[18:47] <tesseract> i see
[18:47] <arraybolt3> It's definitely a very good new feature, though.
[19:36] <jhutchins> p3lim: How many systems do you know of that are actually multi-user systems?
[19:39] <WaV> Its required to have Ubuntu Pro now for security updates? Will they eventually be phased in if Pro is not enabled?
[19:40] <tomreyn> there's no change to security updates in main/restricted
[19:41] <Habbie> security updates are never phased, as far as i know
[19:42] <WaV> I see. I was just notified of a package I installed from the universe repository that has an available security update. It is only available with Ubuntu Pro though.
[19:43] <arraybolt3> WaV: The Main and Restricted repos always have (and to my awareness always will) get reliable security updates. Universe packages have only gotten what the community could do, which hasn't been much in some instances.
[19:43] <arraybolt3> Ubuntu Pro fixes that for a lot of the packages (though not all).
[20:25] <Macwinner> hi, I was wondering what the default 'sysctl net.core.default_qdisc'  and 'sysctl net.ipv4.tcp_congestion_control' are on ubuntu 22.04 servers.  They have been modified by our ansible build script on production servers. just trying to see what they would normally be.
[20:28] <ravage> start a VM and see for yourself
[21:23] <burton`> Has anybody in here had any success with Live Build (lb) to build a custom installable ISO for Ubuntu?
[21:23] <burton`> I've been trying for weeks but it always seems to fail in some way or another.  I can get it to work on Debian, but I need an ubuntu image.
[21:28] <kikkoman> Late good evening.
[21:31] <kikkoman> So. I'm about to ask something, that has most likely been asked a thousand or more times..  The stuttering on Ubuntu 22.04, Windows stuttering while dragging them, CPU spiking, System dead hanging on simple renders, to the point, where i have to hard shutdown..  Whats up with this?
[21:31] <kikkoman> I see report on report, about the symptoms. But do we have any idea where the issue is ?
[21:33] <kikkoman> I had no issues on 18.04
[21:36] <arraybolt3> kikkoman: Do you know what's consuming the CPU? gnome-shell, perhaps?
[21:36] <tomreyn> kikkoman: this is most likely not a universal thing, but something which is specific to the graphics server you're using (Xorg or wayland), the graphics hardware and drivers you're using, the gnome extensions you may be using etc.
[21:36] <arraybolt3> It might be related to the transition from X to Wayland, in which case logging in with "Ubuntu on Xorg" mode may resolve the problem.
[21:37] <kikkoman> I am yet to actually try with Xorg. Was just about to say, i can't say for sure, but i think it's Wayland.
[21:38] <kikkoman> No extensions.
[21:38] <kikkoman> Using recommended driver for an old Nvidia card too.
[21:40] <kikkoman> Even grabbing a .gif is impossible, or recording anything for that matter.
[21:40] <kikkoman> I'm 98% sure, i am down the same path, as so many others seem to be.
[21:40] <arraybolt3> kikkoman: Oh. Your older version of Ubuntu might have been giving you Nvidia proprietary drivers that no longer are supported, and so you probably are using Nouveau now.
[21:40] <arraybolt3> That would possibly cause these symptoms.
[21:41] <arraybolt3> Plus Wayland and NVIDIA don't work very well together.
[21:41] <kikkoman> No, i installed drivers separately.
[21:42] <kikkoman> I just waited long, before seeking my way here :)
[21:42] <kikkoman> It's been a while, since i took the step, from 18.04
[21:44] <kikkoman> Well, i have to try with Xorg instead. Because i ain't getting anything creative done, like it is now. If i'm lucky, i get a crash in style, with getting logged out.. But if i am unlucky, like i usually am haha. The whole system freezes, to the point, where even the cursor gets stuck.
[21:55] <tomreyn> kikkoman: maybe the hardware you're using is so old that it's only supported by legacy nvidia driver series, which haven't seen an update - such as for wayland compatibility, or other parts of the graphics stack which does continue developing.
[21:55] <tomreyn> ... in a long time
[21:58] <kikkoman> It might be, I'm running a Gtx 680 Card.
[22:00] <kikkoman> It's not like stoneage old. But it's nothing by todays standards :)
[22:00] <toddc1> GTX 680 launched on March 22nd, 2012.
[22:00] <kikkoman> But it works.. And well, before these issues, it served me good 98% of the time still :)
[22:02] <toddc1> may be a issue of nvidia's support on modern linux but you could test it on a live disk
[22:02] <kikkoman> From what i have read, about the similar issues other have, i think i picked up, that most live sessions, were ok.
[22:03] <tomreyn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_600_series#Discontinued_support
[22:04] <tomreyn> https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3142/ also has a statement on Kepler GPUs
[22:05] <ravage> https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/FeatureMatrix.html
[22:06] <kikkoman> Great.. So do i need a new GPU now then too.
[22:06] <kikkoman> Not saying it's not about time or anything but :)
[22:06] <ravage> Kepler (GTX 600 series) looks fully supported. NVE0 in the matrix
[22:07] <tomreyn> so it should continue to be useable with nouveau, and for now it's also still usable with the properitary nvidia-470 series
[22:07] <tomreyn> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?exact=1&keywords=nvidia-driver-470
[22:08] <kikkoman> I'm using the 470 series.. Alright, so there is hope still. I suppose Xorg test it is then. To begin with.
[22:11] <kikkoman> Alrighty, thanks everyone for the info. The rest is up to me now then. Have a good weekend :)
[22:12] <tomreyn> you, too
[23:38] <yin846> hello. im on a desktop and i have a nvidia gpu(rtx 3060) and intel graphics(UHD 630). i installed the proprietary driver(nvidia-driver-525), which is the correct one according to their website. whenever i connect my 1 monitor to the nvidia gpu i get no signal. my gpu has hdmi(2) and displayport(2) but i can only use hdmi. i tried both ports. im also using xorg not wayland. what else should i try?
[23:39] <yin846> what i meant by only being able to use hdmi, is that i can only use the hdmi port on the motherbaord(intel graphics)
[23:42] <tomreyn> yin846: i probably won't be able to support you there, but for others it will be relevant to know how you installed the drivers (using the ones provided by ubuntu? or downloaded from nvidia.com?) and which ubuntu version you have there.
[23:42] <yin846> provided by ubuntu. 22.04
[23:43] <tomreyn> if this rtx 3060 is very new (i have not checked), you may want to use the "graphics-drivers" !PPA
[23:43] <tomreyn> !ppa
[23:44] <tomreyn> https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[23:44] <yin846> okay. thank you. i will give that a try.
[23:47] <tomreyn> yin846: actually, the driver version there is the same that's also in ubuntu 22.04 lts
[23:48] <tomreyn> 22.04 "jammy" package in ubuntu proper https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=jammy-updates&exact=1&keywords=nvidia-driver-525 and this ppa https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=jammy
[23:49] <tomreyn> yin846: something else you may want to try is to use Xorg rather than wayland (select on login screen using the "settings" icon)
[23:50] <yin846> yep. im already using xorg. im going to try blacklisting the intel graphics drivers. i found a post saying there could be a conflict between the modules.
[23:51] <yin846> thanks
[23:52] <tomreyn> if you would instead like to try to upgrade the free (for the intel GPU) graphics driver stack, you could use https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers
[23:52] <tomreyn> i would not combine the two PPAs, though
[23:53] <tomreyn> oh, gone