[00:10] <npm> any suggestions on getting my kup & bup based backup on kubuntu working again. I get this error from "bup index" --"File "/usr/lib/bup/cmd/../bup/hlinkdb.py", line 10, in pickle_load return pickle.load(f, encoding='bytes')" .... "_pickle.UnpicklingError: pickle data was truncated"
[00:30] <npm> why do my updates now say "The following security updates require Ubuntu Pro with 'esm-apps' enabled: libzmq5 python2.7-minimal libmagickwand-6.q16-6 python2.7 imagemagick-6.q16hdri libmagickcore-6.q16hdri-6-extra libmagickcore-6.q16hdri-6 libmagickwand-6.q16hdri-6 libopenexr24 libsdl2-2.0-0 libmysofa1 libmagickcore-6.q16-6 libpython2.7-minimal libpython2.7-stdlib imagemagick-6-common"
[00:31] <npm> how come these updates aren't part of regular ubuntu?
[00:43] <tomreyn> npm: which kubuntu release is this?
[00:45] <shadowhawk> hello!
[00:45] <shadowhawk> I am trying to get COMPIZ to work. Wobbly windows. I applied the settings but now I cant MOVE the windows or ressize htem
[00:45] <shadowhawk> them*
[00:49] <tomreyn> i don't think compiz is meant to work with the kde / plasma / qt world - but could be wrong
[00:51] <user|60> czesc
[00:51] <user|60> pleaase help me
[00:51] <tomreyn> hi user|60, please ask your kubuntu support question
[00:51] <user|60> ok
[00:52] <user|60> i would like to install linux on my laptop
[00:53] <tomreyn> have you decided on a distribution, yet?
[00:53] <tomreyn> this channel is just about the kubuntu linux distribution
[00:53] <user|60> write now i have debian distro
[00:54] <tomreyn> i think you mean "right now"
[00:54] <user|60> yes
[00:54] <user|60> sory
[00:55] <tomreyn> if you want to replace your debian installation by a kubuntu installation, looosing all data / after backing up all data, you can just download the kubuntu installer, write it to a usb stick (using e.g. balena etcher) and then boot off that and install
[00:55] <user|60> but i have multi problem
[00:56] <user|60> i dont have any importand data
[00:56] <npm> @tomreyn Ubuntu 20.04.5 LTS
[00:57] <tomreyn> npm: there's #ubuntu for ubuntu support, probably the better place then
[00:57] <npm> I'm running kubuntu
[00:58] <tomreyn> oh, you just said "Ubuntu"
[00:58] <npm> which is based on 20.04.5LTS
[00:58] <npm> becaause i cut/paste /etc/issue
[00:58] <tomreyn> i see :)
[00:58] <user|60> there is a problem whit it i have downloaded kubuntu and when i try to boot i have file is missing and else problemws
[00:58] <npm> but i'm sure the problem would exist for regular ubuntu as well
[01:01] <user|60> anyone can tel me step by step whot shoul i do
[01:01] <tomreyn> npm: so, you have packages from universe installed, which have "best effort" support level unless you have an ubuntu pro subscription, which i think is what this message is saying. on a side note, kubuntu 20.04 LTS is supported until april this year.
[01:02] <tomreyn> user|60: this sounds like either the downloaded iso file may be corrupt, or it was not properly written to the installation media
[01:02] <user|60> aha
[01:02] <tomreyn> user|60: using balena etcher you can prevent either, or at least get to know when it happens.
[01:02] <user|60> what is balena etcher
[01:03] <tomreyn> a cross-platform  / multiple OS software for downloading and writing installation iso images to installation media
[01:04] <user|60> nice
[01:04] <user|60> one more question
[01:05] <user|60> what linux shoud i chose
[01:05] <user|60> my laptop acer aspire 5720g
[01:05] <tomreyn> well, this channel is only about kubuntu, so the obvious answer is kubuntu
[01:05] <user|60> its very old
[01:05] <tomreyn> there is also #linux
[01:06] <user|60> thank you and good night
[01:08] <npm> @tomreyn -- 20.04.5 is supported till 2025 https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
[01:11] <npm> but yes per "comm -12 <(apt-cache dumpavail | grep-dctrl -nsPackage -FSection universe/ |sort) <(dpkg --get-selections | awk '$2 == "install" { print $1 }' |sort)" i have many packages installed from "universe"
[01:13] <tomreyn> npm: note that i was referring to kubuntu, not ubuntu. this is #kubuntu
[01:14] <tomreyn> "pro security-status" might be the easier command
[01:15] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu#Support_lifespan
[01:16] <npm> oh i see "This machine is receiving security patching for Ubuntu Main/Restricted repository until 2025." ... "Ubuntu Pro with 'esm-apps' enabled provides security updates for Universe/Multiverse packages until 2030 and has 15 pending security updates."
[01:17] <npm> i guess i should try out my "Ubuntu Pro with a free personal subscription on up to 5 machines." and get on with it....
 tomreyn beat me! Was about to say Ubuntu flavours have different life span support. I did the same mistake a month or so ago. Hehe!
[01:19] <tomreyn> npm: and not that many of kubuntu's packages are not in main/restricted (but universe)
[01:19] <tomreyn> *notE
[01:20] <npm> so because the KDE packages are part of "universe" is why you're saying that Kubuntu ends support in April 2023?
 npm: be in mind these are Ubuntu related and not Kubuntu. So I'm still not sure if you are using Ubuntu, has a Ubuntu server somewhere or have a mix of Ubuntu with KDE package
[01:21] <npm> i'm using Kubuntu .
 Kubuntu is a distro, with its own schedule and life time. (re @IrcsomeBot: <npm> so because the KDE packages are part of "universe" is why you're saying that Kubuntu ends support in April 2023?)
 They have no support from canonical in general, so they can't keep up for too long
[01:22] <npm> ok well thanks for clearing up my confusion. (but i really really don't want to upgrade to 22.04)
[01:25] <tomreyn> npm: ubuntu and kubuntu share the same foundation (base packages), but many if not most of the GUI packages in ubuntu (gnome-shell/mutter) are in main and receive 5 years of security support, whereas most of those of kubuntu are in universe and receive community support - good community support for 3 years, then none, i guess, or just if someone gets around to it.
[01:25] <tomreyn> and that boils down to saying, simplified, Kubuntu LTS gets security support for 3 years, Ubuntu LTS for 5 years
[01:26] <npm> ok thanks for making that clear.
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[14:03] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:03] <shadowhawk> hey
[14:05] <cbc> Yo
[14:08] <shadowhawk> cbc: sup
[14:23] <cbc> anyone else checking out ChatGTP this morning?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> !supportt
[14:35] <BluesKaj> !support
[15:09] <romain331> Bonjour, J'ai installé Kubuntu sur un PC asus X102b et je me rends compte que le câble HDMI n'est pas reconnu. J'y branche une TV de l'autre côté. Auriez-vous une idée de la cause racine svp?
[15:12] <BluesKaj> !Fr | romain331
[15:18] <BluesKaj> faites ARC  connection sur TV, romain331
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[17:48] <Roey> mmikowski: o/