=== mello is now known as JHfinally === JHfinally is now known as JHMfinally === user|14 is now known as Specstorm [00:35] Hello everyone [00:36] I'm trying to update and keep getting error messages, was wondering if anyone could help [00:36] Specstorm: Sure, what's the error? [00:37] "Package Download Failed" [00:38] Specstorm: What application are you trying to update with? [00:38] Discover? [00:38] yeah [00:38] Specstorm: OK, can you open a terminal (Konsole), and run "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade"? [00:38] I'm pretty new to all this so apologies if I'm not up to date [00:38] sure [00:38] This will attempt to update your system and will probably give more meaningful error data. [00:39] thank you so much for your help I'll do that now [00:39] Sure thing, glad to help! [00:40] E: The repository 'http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu impish-security Release' no longer has a Release file. [00:40] N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default. [00:40] N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details. [00:40] E: The repository 'http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu impish-updates Release' no longer has a Release file. [00:40] N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default. [00:40] N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details. [00:40] Specstorm: Oy. Usually you should paste output like that into a pastebin website like dpaste.com. [00:41] THere's an anti-flooding bot that will have muted you for 60 seconds, sorry for the inconvenience. [00:41] Specstorm: However, I do see the problem here. Ubuntu 21.10 (Impish) has gone end-of-life and no longer receives updates. The best solution is to update to a supported version of Kubuntu like 22.04 LTS. [00:42] Since you're using the version of Kubuntu immediately before a supported version, there's two ways to do this. You can either install from scratch, or you can upgrade the system without reinstalling. [00:42] If you want to do an upgrade to 22.04, back up your data, and then follow the instructions ubottu is about to link to: [00:42] !eolupgrades [00:42] End-Of-Life is when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop. Make sure to update Ubuntu before it goes EOL so you get updates promptly for newly-discovered security vulnerabilities. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOL and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more info. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades [00:42] (ubottu is a bot that has useful info like that.) [00:43] gotcha. thanks for all that [00:43] by back up my data you mean on an external [00:43] Yes. [00:43] is there a way to preserve my shortcuts/bookmarks etc? [00:43] Make sure that you're viewing all hidden files, and copy those too, then you can import them into Firefox (or whatever browser you use) if you end up having to reinstall. [00:44] If the upgrade goes well, you shouldn't have to restore anything, you just want to have the data backed up so that you can recover if things go south. [00:44] so the backup is just in case [00:44] got it [00:44] i haven't been using this machine that long, so it's really just the bookmarks mostly [00:44] What browser are you using? [00:45] I can make sure there's a documented bookmark restore procedure for it. [00:45] mozilla at the moment [00:45] Perfect, I've restored bookmarks before, it's easy. Just make sure that you copy all of the files in your home folder, including hidden ones. [00:45] *all of the files and folders [00:46] You should be able to open Dolphin, click the button in the upper-right corenr of the screen that has three horizontal lines, then click Show Hidden Files. [00:46] Then you can just select all, copy, then paste to your backup drive. [00:48] perfect [00:48] which screen should i do select all from [00:48] desktop? [00:48] In Dolphin, the file manager. [00:48] again, pardon my ignorance, I'm used to Windows/Mac [00:49] :) We've all been there. You should have seen my first experiments with Linux :P [00:49] right but i mean under "Places" [00:49] it's got Home, Desktop, etc [00:49] i clicked to show hidden files [00:50] You want to be in the folder where you can see 'Documents', 'Pictures', etc. [00:50] There should be a ton of weird-looking folders that have a . at the start of their name too. [00:50] That's called your home folder. [00:51] Once you're in that folder, then you can select all and copy. [00:51] You can probably get to that folder by clicking "Home" under "Places". [00:52] i think i got it [00:52] copied to external [00:53] Nice. Now you should be able to follow the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades procedure and be good to go. [00:53] i'm on that page now [00:54] it's a little confusing [00:54] Hmm... it does assume a lot of knowledge, I see :P [00:54] *facepalm* [00:54] Specstorm: OK, so, first, can you run in Konsole "cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999" and share the link that outputs? [00:55] (Sorry, I didn't realize it was as obscure as it was when I first linked to it, I'm looking at it and am now like "oh wow they left a lot out".) [00:55] yeah you were like "...and you should be good to go!" [00:56] I looked at it and was like "ehhhhh *sweats profusely* [00:56] http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes [00:56] is the link that it produced [00:56] hello, I have this circa-2009 laptop that I'm installing Kubuntu 22.10 on and would like to set it up with BTRFS on top of LUKS. I tried insalling using Automatic Partitioning, but it creates these EFI/GPT partitions that the laptop can't boot from. So I am trying to manually partition, and would like the installer to work off of those. Can anyone help me out here? Much thanks. [00:56] The command above? I think you probably pasted the wrong link, I expected a termbin.com link. [00:57] oh hey Specstorm & arraybolt3 o/ [00:57] Roey: o/ [00:57] arraybolt3: if you have time, I'd like to pick up where we left off [00:57] Roey: Hang tight a bit, currently trying to do an EOL release upgrade. [00:58] aye, sure [00:58] hmm [00:58] Specstorm: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999 [00:59] This system was installed using small removable media (e.g. netinst, live or single CD). The matching "deb cdrom" entries were disabled at the end of the installation process. [00:59] For information about how to configure apt package sources, [00:59] see the sources.list(5) manual. [00:59] that's what it says at the end if that's relevant [00:59] Specstorm: I really need to see the whole file, the above command will produce a link that will show it to me. [00:59] ok [00:59] is that a vertical slash in there [01:00] Bar character, should be on the same key as the backslash. [01:00] (The exact contents that the file should have may vary, so I'd like to make sure I don't accidentally provide wrong instructions.) [01:00] https://termbin.com/qff5 [01:01] i think that's what you were looking for correct [01:01] Yep, perfect. [01:01] *ahem* what *WE were looking for [01:01] OK, next, run "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list", and enter your password, that will open a text editor so we can modify the file. [01:02] ok got it [01:02] yes it opened up a bunch pf colorful text [01:02] OK, one moment... [01:02] a series of blue links appeared [01:03] Specstorm: OK, press and hold Ctrl+K until the entire file is empty. The old contents were useful for knowing what the new contents should be, but they're not needed anymore. [01:04] Then copy this text and paste it into the file: https://dpaste.com/GRYHP2LXN That will point your system to use the repository where the old software is located. [01:04] ok [01:04] done [01:05] i pasted that exact link in there [01:05] Oy... no, open the link, it's a pastebin link to the text the file should contain. [01:06] oof [01:06] ok [01:06] ok yeah this looks like it makes a lot more sense [01:07] OK, once that's done, press Ctrl+S to save, then Ctrl+X to exit. [01:07] do i hit enter after i've pasted it in? [01:07] got it ok [01:07] Shouldn't need to press Enter. [01:07] ok saved and exited [01:08] OK, next, run "sudo apt update && sudo apt install kubuntu-desktop", this will make sure that the Kubuntu desktop metapackage is installed (it should be installed by default but sometimes it can get uninstalled), which will help with the update. [01:08] ok [01:08] when you say && that means type them separately right [01:08] or do i literally type that with && in the middle [01:08] You can type them separately, or you can type the && literally and it will execute both. [01:09] (The && basically says "if the previous command succeeded, execute the next one". It also lets me put multiple commands on one line.) [01:09] ok [01:09] it's running it [01:10] 2 of them got 404 not founds [01:10] but the rest look pretty good [01:10] certainly better than before when it couldn't get any packages at all [01:10] Hmm, can you run "ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d | nc termbin.com 9999"? [01:10] That will let me see if you have PPAs enabled that may interfere. [01:11] it outputted a link [01:11] If you could paste the link into the chat that will let me look at it. [01:11] https://termbin.com/sxy1v [01:12] OK, so there *are* PPAs enabled. Let me make sure that 22.04 has those same repositories available real quick... [01:12] gotcha [01:13] Specstorm: Just to make sure, you did enable the Lutris PPA from this link, right? https://launchpad.net/~lutris-team/+archive/ubuntu/lutris [01:13] I think so [01:14] yeah I definitely recall doing something with Lutris [01:14] but i don't think I really need it [01:14] Lutris, I mean [01:15] We should probably either uninstall it or make sure it gets updated, not leave an out-of-date version on the system. [01:15] i'm fine with uninstalling it [01:15] it's been nothing but trouble anyhow [01:15] OK, do that (probably something like "sudo apt purge lutris*") and then we can remove the Lutris PPA. [01:16] As for Wine, you almost certainly *do* want to keep that, so we'll make sure it won't present a hangup and then get it to update too. [01:16] ok [01:16] done [01:16] looks like it removed Lutris [01:16] OK, next do "sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/lutris-team-ubuntu-lutris-impish.list". That will remove the PPA. [01:17] After that, do you know what variant of Wine you installed? Stable, Development, or Staging? If not, we can use commands to find out. [01:17] i'm not sure [01:18] OK, do "apt list --installed | grep wine | nc termbin.com 9999". (This will print a warning about "avoid using this in scripts" or something similar, that's normal.) [01:18] ok done [01:18] it output a link [01:19] https://termbin.com/eqiw [01:19] Interesting, looks like you installed Wine from the Ubuntu repositories even though the WineHQ repos were added. That will actually simplify things. [01:20] OK, we can just do "sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/winehq-impish.sources". [01:20] hmm [01:21] it says no such file or directory [01:22] i think it may have removed it already [01:22] is that possible? [01:22] Maybe, if you do "ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d", do you see the winehq-impish.sources file in there? [01:23] that command isn't working for some reason [01:23] but it said earlier "the following application will be removed:: --Lutris" [01:24] That's odd. Are you sure you're not makes a typo? [01:24] ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d [01:24] that's what i typed [01:24] Hmm. OK, can you run "ls /etc/apt | nc termbin.com 9999" and share the link from that? [01:25] (I really hope there wasn't a bug or something in Lutris that deleted the whole sources.list.d folder.) [01:26] it's saying ls command not found [01:26] ls as in LS, right [01:26] first letter L [01:26] Yes. [01:26] hmm yeah [01:26] That's extremely odd. Try closing this Konsole window and opening a new one. [01:26] Then just run "ls" all on its own (I don't need to see the output from that). [01:27] ok that worked [01:27] Whew. Not sure what got scrambled with the old terminal. OK, try "ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d" again and see if the winehq file is in there. [01:27] yeah for some reason that one doesn't work [01:28] i just retyped it [01:28] it doesn't return anything for that whole command [01:28] Does "ls /etc/apt" show anything? [01:29] yeah a bunch of blue text [01:29] but "sources.list" is in white [01:29] If it's actually just showing no results when you run "ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d", then we shoulld be good (the previous rm command probably did what it was supposed to). If it's saying that it can't find the folder, then there's a problem. [01:29] ls /etc/apt works [01:29] And just to verify, when you run "ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d", it outputs nothing, not even an error message, correct? [01:29] yes [01:29] that's correct [01:29] OK, then we're OK. [01:30] That's what we want to end up with. [01:30] sweet [01:30] OK, next, "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade". [01:30] ok done [01:30] let's see [01:31] That will get your system ready for the final update procedure. [01:31] (full-upgrade, confusingly, doesn't upgrade to the next release, it just makes sure all your software is up-to-date for this release.) [01:31] (The actual "upgrade to a new release of Ubuntu" command is "sudo do-release-upgrade", which is hopefully the next command to run.) [01:31] gotcha [01:32] what should it say in response to the previous comman [01:32] 8command [01:32] **command [01:32] It should finish without errors, and it may have installed some stuff. [01:32] Err:2 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu impish Release [01:32] 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.91.39 80] [01:32] that was the only error [01:33] ...why is it still trying... can you do "cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999" and share the link again? [01:33] E: The repository 'http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu impish Release' no longer has a Release file. [01:33] N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default. [01:33] It shouldn't be trying to access us.archive.ubuntu.com right now. [01:33] sure 1 sec [01:33] https://termbin.com/rte5 [01:34] Ah, I see. There's still some lines at the top of the file that shouldn't be there. [01:34] the file you told me to replace? [01:34] Do "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" again, and delete everything before the first "old-releases" line (Ctrl+K to remove lines). [01:35] Specstorm: Yes. It looks like you may have not deleted everything that was in the file originally. [01:35] ok yeah [01:35] it left a few lines last time [01:35] wait was i supposed to leave something [01:35] Only the old-releases lines. [01:36] If those are gone too, no problem, we can put those back. :) [01:36] ok [01:36] file's empty right now [01:36] https://dpaste.com/GRYHP2LXN <-- the contents the file should have [01:37] ok, all set [01:37] save and exit like before right [01:38] Yep. [01:38] ok [01:38] file contents should be what they're supposed to be now [01:39] Nice. OK, let's do "sudo apt update && sudo apt install kubuntu-desktop" one more time, then "sudo apt full-upgrade". [01:39] (The previous times we used those commands, they probably didn't do anything since the "sudo apt update" step kept failing.) [01:40] ok yeah [01:40] this time it did a bunch of stuff [01:40] Nice, that's hopeful! [01:41] now it says "122 packages can be upgraded" [01:41] no errors [01:42] Woot! "sudo apt full-upgrade" [01:43] ok [01:43] looks good, i'm gonna hit Y to continue [01:43] it's working [01:43] +1 [01:44] is this the actual upgrade happening now? i won't need to reinstall anything? [01:44] This is just the update to make the upgrade possible. [01:45] All of the software has to be the latest version *for the current release* in order for the upgrade to the next release to go smoothly. [01:45] ok so far so good [01:46] Hello [01:46] Specstorm: Nice. Is it done? [01:46] constancies: o. [01:46] *o/ [01:46] so far the only kink was [01:46] dpkg: warning: unable to delete old directory '/var/lib/fwupd': Directory not empty [01:47] it appears to be paused at 53% [01:47] Just wait for it, stalls are normal. [01:47] ok cool [01:47] Also the warning doesn't look worrisome to me. [01:47] agreed [01:47] (not that my opinion is significat but) [01:48] Thanks again for being by my side through all this, it is hugely appreciated [01:48] Glad to be able to help! [01:48] consider my faith in humanity renewed afresh [01:48] by this interaction [01:49] ok 97% [01:49] 99 [01:49] :) [01:50] A lot of times that last percent takes the longest :P [01:50] (Especially if the kernel was updated and it's generating new initramfs files) [01:51] yup [01:51] hovering at 99 [01:52] oik [01:52] looks like it's done [01:53] So I was wondering, though I'm sure you get this a lot: has there been consideration towards making a Kubuntu matrix room? Perhaps bridging it to IRC? [01:53] Specstorm: Woot! [01:53] Specstorm: Alright, now for the moment of truth. "sudo do-release-upgrade" [01:54] it's saying to reboot before upgrading [01:54] Specstorm: Makes sense. [01:55] wait sowhat should it have said [01:55] when i ran that^ [01:55] Normally it should give you prompts to start upgrading, but if it needs a reboot first, that sounds reasonable, so I'd go ahead and reboot. [01:56] ok cool so reboot my machine then and retry the sudo do-release-upgrade command? [01:56] Yep. [01:56] alrighty, I'll do that now [01:57] I'll pop back into the chat once I'm done and rebooted, if that's ok [01:57] Sounds good! [01:57] *thumbs up* thank you! [01:57] see you on the upgrade / flipside [02:01] specstorm1: Welcome back! [02:01] huzzah! [02:01] i ran sudo do-release-upgrade [02:02] Working? [02:02] i think so [02:02] continue y/n [02:02] i'm gonna continue [02:02] Woot! Everything else should be straightforward from here. [02:03] It will probably want to remove packages at some point, it is safe to allow it to do that. [02:03] nice [02:03] it says updates available! [02:03] can i update through dolphin now? [02:03] ? [02:03] If it wants to apply pudates, press "y" and then Enter to let it do it. [02:04] oh wait yeah nevermind *facepalm* [02:04] (You won't be able to update the system with Discover until after the upgrade is complete, and the upgrade will take a while.) [02:04] that's what it's saying [02:04] i'm gonna pull the trigger [02:04] alright it's doing its thing [02:05] Woot! [02:05] it says the process may take several hours (the download itself it says 5 mins) [02:05] Quick question. Can I create a partition under home during installation? Something like ~/work. [02:05] It says that, but it's unlikely to take that long. [02:05] great [02:05] Unless you're on a 1Mbps connection or something :P [02:06] I'm not sure why they left it saying that some steps could take hours, but, they did, and stuff usually goes way faster. [02:07] nah I think I'm a bit faster than that haha [02:07] at halfway [02:08] or no it was halfway on that particular part i think [02:08] either way everything seems to be going smoothyl [02:08] *smoothly [02:24] specstorm1: Still going good? [02:35] yup [02:35] i had to step away for a moment [02:36] it's configuring the firefox snap now [02:36] *installing [02:40] Nice. It dawns on me, that *might* end up needing a bookmark restore even though this wasn't a full reinstall, but that's quite easy. [02:47] hmm [02:48] it's asking [02:48] Configuration file '/usr/share/sddm/scripts/Xsetup' [02:48] ==> File on system created by you or by a script. [02:48] ==> File also in package provided by package maintainer. [02:48] What would you like to do about it ? Your options are: [02:48] Y or I : install the package maintainer's version [02:48] N or O : keep your currently-installed version [02:50] hope i'm not interrupting anything [02:51] !paste | specstorm [02:51] specstorm: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://dpaste.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [02:52] And, yes is the answer. That's due to a bugfix that I uploaded myself. [02:56] noted for future reference^ [02:56] thanks [02:57] it's running it now === mello is now known as ZeDoHolmes [03:45] looks like everything went well [03:45] just removing obsolete packages now [03:46] it's saying "upgrade available" in the top right corner now [03:46] konsole says upgrade complete! [04:28] huge thank you to arraybolt3 and Erichmeyer [04:28] *Eickmeyer [04:28] for all the help [04:29] you guys are awesome [04:29] Mostly arraybolt3, I just helped with one thing. [04:29] !cookie | arraybolt3 [04:29] arraybolt3: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie! [04:29] maybe an entire sleeve of cookies methinks [04:30] specstorm: Glad to help! [04:30] Congrats on a successful upgrade! [04:30] *praying hands emoji* [04:30] Eickmeyer: :) [04:30] i'm thrilled [04:30] specstorm: Oh hey... [04:30] ...do your bookmarks still work in Firefox? [04:30] If not, we should import them now. [04:31] let's take a look [04:31] Hopefully they'll just work though. [04:31] hmm [04:31] it [04:31] OK, so they're not there. The Import Bookmarks button may or may not work, but that's OK, there's a different way to import them. [04:32] it's not showing any but to be honest i may not have had any bookmarks on this machine '=D [04:32] my firefox history is all there [04:32] I pretty much expected that, one moment while I find the exact right file... [04:32] it basically just rebooted with the upgrades and kept my session open [04:33] specstorm: OK, so to make the bookmarks work, click the hamburger menu in the upper-right corner of the screen, then Bookmarks, then Manage Bookmarks. [04:34] (Even if this isn't strictly necessary now, you'll probably want to know how to do this later.) [04:34] ok [04:34] Hmm... actually if it loaded your session and your history is there, then it probably autodetected things and you might be right that there were never any bookmarks, but lets find out anyway. [04:35] yup [04:35] ok i'm in manage bookmarks [04:35] OK, see the Import and Backup button? Click that, then hover over Restore, and click Choose File. [04:35] In the window that pops up, right-click, and click "Show hidden files". [04:36] hmm ok [04:36] i don't see any files [04:36] Click your Home folder then. [04:36] Then double-click ".mozilla". [04:36] there's a restore file [04:36] when i hover [04:36] that says jan 29th [04:36] maybe i just click that? [04:36] We're probably not there yet. [04:37] The file is a bit buried. [04:37] hmm [04:37] Once you're in ".mozilla", double-click "firefox". There should be three folders inside this. [04:37] One of them will have a very weird name like "243bb87x4.default" - double-click that one. [04:38] Then there should be a folder in that called "bookmarkbackups", and inside that, there should be a file you can open to restore the bookmarks. [04:39] i opened the one with the weird name ending in default [04:39] i don't see a bookmarkbackups folder though [04:39] just one that says times.json [04:40] It's not at the very top of the list? [04:40] There should be a ton of stuff in there. If there's not, then I guess the system probably imported stuff properly. [04:41] it must have [04:41] all i see is times.json [04:41] In which case there likely weren't any bookmarks there. But anyway, for in the future, that's where the bookmarks can be found in my experience. [04:41] gotcha [04:41] yep looks like there weren't any [11:57] Quick question from a non-Kubuntu user: I assume the backports for plasma are done in a way where an upgrade to the next release of Kubuntu remains possible. Non-LTS version. Would that be a correct assumption? [12:05] Just posted a question before identifying accidentally. Not sure if it arrived. Can someone let me know if it did? Apologies for that! [12:22] You asked about backports not blocking a release upgrade. [12:23] Yep. Thanks. Won't repost then :-) [12:25] Not a real answer, but I would assume so as well. But I would never release upgrade without being confident in my backups of my personal data. Backups are always important, but especially before a release upgrade. [12:26] Fully agree on the backups. As I said I am not a Kubuntu user so just trying to figure out how things work over here. I am Debian on the server and Gentoo on the Desktop - not that it matters. === ljh is now known as leonheld [13:54] Hi all === morin is now known as spaceUnicorn [16:04]