=== Guest5181 is now known as andrewlol [00:00] this gives me nostalgic vibes [00:56] hello, I have this circa-2009 laptop that I'm installing Kubuntu 22.10 on and would like to set it up with BTRFS on top of LUKS. I tried insalling using Automatic Partitioning, but it creates these EFI/GPT partitions that the laptop can't boot from. So I am trying to manually partition, and would like the installer to work off of those. Can anyone help me out here? Much thanks. [01:03] it doesnt matter what it creates, what matters does your 2009 laptop support efi or just bios, can you confirm in BIOS settings? [01:05] it does not support efi [01:05] if the installer booted fine then whatever it created it can boot from, installers dont just create stuff they cant boot from. so what exactly happened? do you have a screenshot uploaded somwwhere [01:05] the installer booted from a DVD [01:05] it could not off the USB stick for some reason (same error, "no operatnig system found") [01:06] so then it booted in bios mode, the partition it created doesnt hurt anything and it wont stop ubuntu from booting, so what broke? [01:07] oh ok so usb is broken, maybe burn it again, but since the dvd works you can use that... so after you install with dvd what happens [01:07] did you install grub on the disk? /dev/sda [01:09] also rufus.ie is good.for burning usb sticks. [01:12] only one partition will be btrfs , others will be ext4 etc. root partition will be btrfs [01:15] so then it booted in bios mode, the partition it created doesnt hurt anything and it wont stop ubuntu from booting, so what broke? <-= it booted into BIOS mode nad said "Operatni gsystme not found" [01:15] *Operating system not found [01:15] " [01:16] gogofc: hmm, now that yo mention it, I'm not sure tha grub installed on that partition. [01:16] or at leastl, on any of hte partitions that it should have installed to. [01:17] OS not found was after installation on disk correct? im not sure if kubuntu installer asks you where to put grub. debian installer does [01:17] gogofc: After I installed from DVD, and took it out and rebooted, I got "operating systme not found". Booted again to a LiveCD and found that the partition tables look like Ubiquity thought this mihgt have been a UEFI-based system as it had the EFI/GPT partitions created for it. [01:17] gogofc: correct [01:18] gogofc: the automated partitioning certainly did not ask me [01:18] put grub on a disk device , dev/sda not /dev/sda1 [01:18] also, I would like to use BTRFS for hte filesystme and am not sure if the uaotmated partitioning had that [01:18] at the end it miggt ask not sure [01:18] *allowed me to specify BTRFS [01:19] gogofc: so that's certainly something i can do, is to install again from livecd with automatic partitioning, and make sure to plop down grub manually on the disk [01:19] device. [01:19] you're right [01:19] im also not sure.about kubhntu , i use btrfs on fedora and it has 3 partitions, only one is btrfs [01:19] ok [01:19] oh, so I would like to have an encrypted /boot on btrfs, but apparenlty this causes issues for kubuntu. [01:19] it won't boot like that. [01:19] so I had to make it unencrypted [01:20] well . you gonna try again? i have to sleep. :) [01:20] and for / and /home, I would like to have those as subvolumes in one btrfs partition [01:20] gogofc: ahhhh ok :) [01:20] so I was working with arraybolt3 on this [01:21] hmm i would have to try myself, i dont use luks , and in top of my head with btrfs im not sure [01:22] gogofc: aye [01:23] Ill be back tomorrow, its 2AM here [01:26] gogofc: oh gosh, get some rest!!! [01:26] have a good night :) and thank you :) [02:06] hi how would I add a directory to PATH for all users? === chris14_ is now known as chris14 [02:19] For security updates, do regular LTS Ubuntu and Ubuntu Pro differ? [02:25] pycurious: Only for software in the Universe repository. Main gets the same updates either way from what I understand, for the first five years of support. [02:25] nevermind [02:25] (After five years, Ubuntu Pro also provides an *extra* five years of support beyond that.) [02:30] however the support is just for security updates and not feature updates [02:31] but i dont think lts gets much feature updates anyway [02:42] When one does a LUKS file system with a password - how do I make it work across reboots? what is a good way? [02:48] how many servers on IRC? [02:57] arraybolt3, let's re-group tomorrow? [02:57] I just want to get kubuntu installed on this laptp [02:57] laptop* [03:00] Roey: Sadly, I have an important meeting tomorrow and might still be unable to do that. I'm really sorry to have had to leave in the middle last time, and I do want to try and help complete things later, I just have a *lot* to do. [03:01] Roey: If I'm available after that tomorrow, I might be able to help with that. So we'll see. [03:02] arraybolt3: ok, much thanks [03:02] I appreciate it === ericus0 is now known as ericus [03:31] hello. I put in a cd and all I see is track 1 track 2. Sometime ago (on whatever system) I would get the album name, the tracks names and the album art. How can I do that now and on ubuntu? === morgan-u2 is now known as morgan-u2204 [03:34] morgan-u2204: the ripping software was checking an online database you just need to point it there where ever that is now a days [03:40] Is the Backports feature only for LTS releases? I'm trying to decide if I should use 22.10 or 23.04 nightly. [03:46] Press_F1_For: I believe the backports feature works on non-LTS releases also. Do be warned, while there are many who use the development builds, it is quite dangerous, and I have stopped doing it because sometimes security updates are prioritized for stable releases and can take longer to get into the development release. [03:47] (It's not quite dangerous due to the security problems, though that is a consideration, but because the development process is loaded with trip-ups and problems that can sometimes make things go haywire.) [03:48] [i]"sometimes security updates are prioritized for stable releases and can take longer to get into the development release."[/i] that's good to know [03:49] *sigh* yeah I'll probably just install 22.10 I guess [04:01] hello === hillsdale5 is now known as tepples [04:02] hello my fgriend [04:02] what's your opinion on minorities [04:05] tepples: We generally keep this room for Ubuntu support questions only, however #ubuntu-offtopic is available for general chat. [04:13] arraybolt3: I doubt he had anything constructive in mind. [04:14] jhutchins: I didn't say the room was available for *arbitrary* chat :P [04:16] fortnite [05:18] ok here it goes I actually have no idea how to play a DVD in Ubuntu === remy_ is now known as Remy [05:22] Playing dvd IS HARD [05:22] vlc [05:22] you need some codecs [05:22] maybe vlc has all that [05:23] assuming it is a dvd and not a blurray [05:29] its a DVD it opens just fine I just cant play it [05:31] darth_tux: You're probably missing libdvdcss, which isn't included in Ubuntu and is somewhat difficult to install due to the fact that it is potentially illegal in some areas of the world as it arguably is a DRM bypass system. [05:32] arraybolt3: that answered that question thanks [05:32] DVDs have a layer of encryption on them that supposedly helps prevent piracy - all it really does is make it tricky to play them on Linux :P [05:33] darth_tux: If you're in an area where libdvdcss is legal, you can install it with "sudo dpkg-reconfigure libdvd-pkg", I believe. [05:34] Or possibly just "sudo apt install libdvd-pkg" and then follow the included instructions to download and install libdvdcss. [05:36] arraybolt3: ok that worked now to check the DVD to see if it plays thanls [05:36] thanks [05:36] vlc has a open disc option [05:41] well that almost worked lol === ravanan is now known as Guest7635 === ravanan46 is now known as ravanan [05:53] My internet (Ethernet) is very slow on Kubuntu compared to Windows. I have tried changing the Link Speed options to remove any bottlenecks on that end. Any idea on how I can fix this? [06:26] ravanan: how do you benchmark, with iperf? [07:09] hi. In the login screen, I can choose the desktop session ("Ubuntu (Wayland)", "Ubuntu on Wayland (Wayland)" and a bunch more). Most of them do not work (this is a question for later), where can I see and edit this list, and maybe tweak or romeve some of the options? [07:19] The xorg sessions are provided by desktop files under /usr/share/xsessions. Wayland has another directory, but I don't have a wayland system handy to tell you exactly which one [07:23] cats3d:the grub menu is just a list and path to desktop managers very small wayland and gnome are included by default there are several programs and frivers that do not work with the newer smaller faster wayland [07:25] cats3d: some remote desktop and invidia drivers are the two I have found I recommend keeping both as you may need to swap at some point for some older programs [07:26] wayland is the smallest but neither are very big not much space to save [07:27] drivers not frivers [07:28] toddc1: not the grub menu, in the ubuntu login menu (next to where you select keyboard layout) [07:30] alkisg: I guess I also do not have wayland, because none of them work. Under /usr/share/xsessions none of the files have "wayland" text in them [07:30] cats3d: that's expected, as I said, the wayland sessions are in another directory [07:31] i see, I thought a subdirectory, which I do not have [07:31] cats3d: you are correct its been a while since I had to switch check settings-about-windowing system [08:19] honestly, is there a trend to turn all packages into snap and deprecate apt at some point? [08:20] never used snap === ravanan is now known as Guest1823 === ravanan3 is now known as ravanan [08:20] among the first things I remove on a new install [08:20] :P [08:20] What's been turned into a snap now? [08:21] chromium, firefox, lxd... === PeGaSuS is now known as Guest9064 [09:20] so the list of desktop sessions comes from the union of /usr/share/xsessions and /usr/share/wayland-sessions thanks alkisg! after 3 updates I had to cleanup 3 versions of each option [09:21] cats3d: note that if you manually change these files, they'll be restored on package updates [09:21] Files in /etc are preserved, package files in /usr get overwritten [09:22] I removed duplicates with slightly different names. Might have to clean it when I upgrade to 24.04 [09:24] Howdie! Yesterday I ran an apt upgrade and suddenly a bunch of packages were said to be security updates but only for Ubuntu pro, but this is 22.04 lts. Is this becoming a red hat distro? Should I consider switching? [09:25] I mean rhat-like, where you only get updates if you register and/or pay [09:46] HI [09:46] i want help [09:47] xrdp not working === elastic_dog is now known as Guest5516 [10:09] hi there === nulldoot2k__ is now known as nulldoot2k [11:15] Hey guys, which Ubuntu - based distros can I switch to other than mint? Can I just change a few lines in the apt sources and switch to pop!os, ferrel, etc? [11:15] 0o [11:27] ia42, ubuntu pro is a free service for normal end-users, not like RH were you have to pay to get access at all... security updates for universe packages are a new thing since last week [11:29] ia42, regarding mint/popos/ferrel you have to ask in the respective communities, neither of them works in any way with the ubuntu developers to create their forks [11:30] (unlike the official flavours or even re-spins) [12:23] Ogra: what if I have more than 5 Ubuntu machines? Free registration is still a limit on Free Software I not willing to agree to. I have been using Linux 30 years now, this is not a welcome demand [12:25] ia42, well, *soeone* has to pay for this, adding 20000+ extra packages to the workload of the ubuntu security team is a non-trivial amount of work... canonical finances it through making big commercial companies pay, so it can be provided to you for free ... if you decide you dont wat it, you can always remove the ubuntu-advantage-tools package and will simply not get the new feature [12:26] ... the distro will then just behave like before and not offer you extra universe security updates ... [12:27] if you want more than 5 you could do some contribution to ubuntu (help with some documentation, with support etc if you can not/do not want to code) and become an ubuntu member 😉 they get 50 for free === darth_tux_ is now known as darth_tux [12:54] hello there I am trying to post a new topic on ubuntu discourse but I am not getting new topic option.. am I missing something here [12:55] a new topic option [12:55] coolbhavi: did you register? [12:55] yes I did do [12:56] but there is no new topic option [13:01] lotuspsychj3: Znevna here is the screenshot https://paste.pics/c1a8a65fec9be06bc5f2641b21467e00 [13:02] coolbhavi, i think to protect from spam bots you need to be registered for a certain amount of time and have browsed around a while before being allowed your first post [13:05] ogra: ah ok then :) that explains it.. :) whats the normal procedure and browsing time before the first post? [13:06] coolbhavi, https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/limiting-brand-new-user-accounts/10687 [13:07] ogra: thanks a lot :) [13:08] (no really sure what the actual time limit is though ... it doesnt say it in the thread ...) [13:09] ah got it now got to level 1 and I can post a new topic [13:09] thanks for the pointers [13:10] 👍 [13:30] Ogra, these are not new features. This is an upgrade to software I already have installed. [13:32] Ogra: if I try to uninstall ubuntu-advantage, I will lose nautilus, gnome, Ubuntu desktop, update-manager, gnome-software and more. I had to just turn off the service. [13:34] Ogra: I went another route, removed all the packages it refused to update without registration. You wanna guess what dependency got removed? Calibre, gimp, gnome-photos, digikam, darktable, blender and a few others. Most of them I found as snaps and flatpack but not all. [13:37] Ogra: registration means I'm limited, tracked, can't use a local mirror, this has absolutely no positive side. I don't mind donating, I mind being forced to register. Like I said, I have been in Foss for 30 years, I have some expectations, and Ubuntu just broke a contract. Therefore, I am looking for a technical solution, but you keep giving me moral and financial explanations irrelevant to my problem. === ia4286 is now known as ia42 [13:44] if you dont like the ubuntu pro package infos remove/rename /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20apt-esm-hook.conf [13:44] and everything will be like it was before [13:46] ia42: ^ === jesopo is now known as jess [13:51] ravage lotuspsychj3 : and then what? I get the imagemagick security patch without registering, or will I not be told about the CVE at all? [13:51] you will get the same updates in universe as before [13:52] i think you just have to wait a bit longer, but i might be wrong [13:52] universe only has patches from the community [13:52] so if someone provides a patch there you will get it like before [13:53] when I got "The following packages have been kept back", is there a way to 'debug' it and see what's blocking the update? [13:54] my kept-back list keeps getting longer for reasons I have no clue [13:54] !phasedupdates | yolo [13:54] Hi all [13:54] yolo: Since Ubuntu 21.04, APT now implements phased updates. This can hold back updates on some systems while they are being phased in. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PhasedUpdates for more info. [13:54] (probably) [13:55] you mean they will be updated later when all parts are ready for the party? [13:55] right [13:55] I see. Thanks. [13:59] This is the Ubuntu Pro spam I was greeted with yesterday. I didn't know python, maven, imagemagick and gimp where "universe" but here we are. https://cdn.masto.host/tooot/media_attachments/files/109/768/358/688/543/144/original/4038e03c1a92896f.png [14:07] I am looking around, and I don't like any of the Ubuntu based options much (Ubuntu spins don't count, I will have the same Ubuntu Pro ads and issues there). Time to decide if I fall back on my good old pals Debian or get a larger system disk and switch to Arch, Manjaro, Gentoo or whatever the cool kids are using these days... [14:07] good luck [14:10] ravage thanks. damn, just when the nVidia drivers and the kernel (for Stable Diffusion) finally started getting along. uff. [14:11] ia42, you are not "tracked" and if you can suggest a different method to filter by "big commercial company" through requiring registration, beyond making it a fully closed service you should suggest that in a bug report, i'm sure the commercial team at canonical would love to hear better ways to make businesses pay for free community services [14:24] I messed up little bit with my windows manager in ubuntu 22.04 desktop. Is it possible to load the default windows manager on ubuntu 22.04? [14:33] What? [14:37] Angs: ubuntu-tweaks has a reset (gnome) back to defaults if you like === smith is now known as dnsmirnov [15:28] I'm troubleshooting trying to be able to ping "Desktop.local". It used to work on another linux system but recently setup a new version of Ubuntu server and I'm just learning things such as netplan. [15:29] matt__, netplan is unrelated to MDNS ... thats all done via the avahi daemon ... [15:29] (netplan is just a fronted to configure network devices transparently) [15:30] ogra: So where do I start? [15:30] check if avahi-daemon is running, make sure your hostname is correct ... [15:30] (capitalization matters !) [15:31] and that all the devices in question are running avahi/mDNS [15:31] indeed, both sides need to support it [15:31] ogra: That fixed it, had to install avahi-daemon [15:31] (on a server you at least need the libs and the client) [15:32] awesome ! [15:32] ogra: Thank you. All is well again :D [15:32] 😄 === Rahoul3 is now known as Rahoul [15:58] What is the difference between 22.04 jellyfish and 22.04 focal fossa [15:59] 22.04 focal fossa does not exist [15:59] Oh [15:59] What if you prefer fossa.to jelly fish? [16:00] focal fossa was the release name of 20.04 ... jammy jellyfish is the release name of 22.04 [16:00] marcopolo1: if you dont have a support question please use #ubuntu-discuss [16:01] Hi all. Is there a way for me to set an environment variable for a snap application so that it is set every time the application runs? I want to set the env var MOZ_USE_XINPUT2=1 every time firefox is run. === Nicklificent is now known as Millicent [16:03] canurabus, you can copy /var/lib/snapd/desktop/applications/firefox_firefox.desktop into ~/.local/share/applications/ and then edit it ... [16:04] just make sure to check reguary if the originally shipped file changed [16:06] thanks. So there's a risk of that file changing every time the snap is updated, right? [16:07] it is re-generated on every snap update from snap metadata ... is that changes, the file changes too ... (but i think actual changes are not that often) [16:10] sis that changes/if that changes/ [16:25] I need to link with libclang, but I'm getting "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lclang: No such file or directory" even after installib libclang-dev [16:25] I see "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libclang-14.so.14.0.0" present on my system [16:27] arkanoid, are you sure that is the version your app wants ? note that libclang-dev only depends on he latest ... the archive usually has way more libclang header packages ... [16:27] *on the latest [16:28] (i.e. 22.04 has the headers from 11-14 ... but libclang-dev nly installs 14) [16:29] mmm, I see. Maybe I have to edit the config to lclang-14 [16:42] ciao [16:42] !it | m_ [16:42] m_: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette) [16:43] im surprised he didnt do "!list" [16:43] and then leave :0 [16:45] exit [16:51] Hi. [17:25] is there any documentation on update-manager-core ? i'm not really finding any official documentation on how to upgrade a system from an old LTS, just some blog posts [17:26] bancroft: you cant skip LTS releases on an upgrade. and only upgrades from version still in support work [17:26] for EOL releases see [17:26] !eolupgrades | bancroft [17:26] bancroft: End-Of-Life is when security updates and support for an Ubuntu release stop. Make sure to update Ubuntu before it goes EOL so you get updates promptly for newly-discovered security vulnerabilities. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOL and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for more info. Looking to upgrade from an EOL release? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades [17:27] ah ok, I want to go from 18 to 22 so I should be good if I do it soon [17:27] definitely :) [17:29] is there a way to specify I would like 22.04 instead of 22.10? and is that true, that I'll need to move to 20.04 first? [17:30] you need to go thrugh 20.04 and 22.04 regardless ... *then* you can go from 22.04 to 22.10 if you desire [17:30] keep in mind support for 22.10 will end in July 2023 [17:31] 22.04 will be supported April 2027 and even longer with ESM [17:31] yeah, I like to stick with the .04s for longer support :) [17:31] so the way do-release-upgrade works is that it will go up by one major version? [17:31] LTS to LTS is supported [17:32] and from there you can go to the current non-lts if you want [17:32] and yes, only one version at a time [17:37] So will they make another version of focal fossa when lts is over [17:39] marcopolo1: Ubuntu releases a new LTS every 2 years. Ubuntu 22.04 (Jammy Jellyfish) is the latest LTS. 24.04(no codename announced for that yet) will be the next LTS. [17:39] !lts | marcopolo1 [17:39] marcopolo1: LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions are supported for 5 years on the desktop and server. The latest LTS version of Ubuntu is !Jammy (Jammy Jellyfish 22.04). Ubuntu !flavors may have different support durations, check their release notes for information. [17:39] !release | marcopolo1 [17:39] marcopolo1: Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 9 months (non-LTS) or 5 years (LTS). More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases [18:25] Hello, I'm facing a problem with APT and a custom repository. APT complain about "The certificate issuer is unknown". While curl to the same repo doesn't complains. The URL use letencrypt certificate. Here the repository: deb [arch=amd64 signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/minarca-keyring.gpg] https://nexus.ikus-soft.com/repository/apt-release-jammy/ jammy main [18:44] ikus060, where did you get that key and have all the Packages files actually been signed with it ? [18:45] ogra: The key come from `curl -L https://www.ikus-soft.com/archive/minarca/public.key` [18:45] But I think APT complait about the HTTPS not about the GPG key. [18:45] ikus060: I get 404s for all of the sub-directories. [18:45] "The certificate issuer is unknown" sounds more like a HTTPS / X.509 issue, though? [18:46] ikus060: Chrome thinks the site is secure though. [18:47] https://nexus.ikus-soft.com/repository/apt-release-jammy/dists/jammy/Release does exist [18:47] ikus060: which ubuntu release are you on there? [18:48] This repository is for Ubuntu Jammy. [18:48] i can tell that by the url, but it doesn't tell me what ubuntu version you're running [18:48] Jammy [18:48] :D [18:49] is it fully updated? [18:49] !uptodate [18:49] To ensure you have all the latest known patches and security updates for your ubuntu installation, please update with the following command: `sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade`. See also !upgrades and !security; you may also need to run `apt full-upgrade`. [18:49] i.e. try full-upgrade [18:49] ikus060: also check the date/time of your machine [18:49] you may be missing an update to the ca-certificates package [18:51] Thanks for the tips. This system is fully up-to-date === jesopo is now known as jess [18:51] and ca-certificates is install on that system [18:52] I feel it's related to the certificate chain that cannot be validated, Is teir a way to debug that within APT ? [18:53] Yes, "Issuer unknown" points to a bad chain of certificates. [18:54] the chain seems fine https://www.sslshopper.com/ssl-checker.html#hostname=nexus.ikus-soft.com [18:54] oh, actually not [18:55] incorrect certificate order [18:56] tomreyn: Could you explain a bit more ? [18:57] the server certificate is sent twice. you can see the same certificate sent as certificate #1 and certificate #2 in the chain https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=nexus.ikus%2dsoft.com&latest [18:57] certificate #2 should have been omitted. [18:57] Ho, I see that with openssl command line too: openssl s_client -showcerts -servername nexus.ikus-soft.com -connect nexus.ikus-soft.com:443 === BrianG61UK_ is now known as BrianG61UK [18:58] Let me check my apache config [19:02] Wow, that was the issue ! Well spotted [19:03] we'll send the bill in a timely manner 😉 [19:04] hey hey, totally worth it ! [19:05] (we accept cookies, chocolate or beer, to be paid to tomreyn at an ubuntu summit of your choice) === Rahoul1 is now known as Rahoul [20:20] hello... there was a distro (i think it was ubuntu based--or maybe its the base ubuntu one has this future during install) where it showed a list of a lot of common home services that you can enable -- plex, dns, ad block, etc. -- do you guys know what I'm talking about? sorry for being extra vague [20:21] or rather there is a distro... i ran into it half a year ago... but didn't need it then but now I do [20:22] context too broad [20:22] need something more specific to identify [20:23] That sounds like the Ubuntu Server installer maybe? [20:23] iniazi: ^ [20:23] I've seen something very much like that when doing Ubuntu Server installations, I think it's at one of the last screens of the installer. [20:25] You might also be thinking of the last screen of the setup wizard when you finish an Ubuntu Desktop installation, but that's a list of suggested software, not a "click to enable this" thing. [20:25] Wait... I'm wrong, clicking one of those does pop up an installation screen! [20:25] arraybolt3: yeah that may be. yeah sorry for the very vague. I just remember the distro it was more geared for users that want to run lot of the different popular services... like adguard, or nginxpm, plex, dns etc. I know normal os distributions allow you to install packages in boot, but it seemed more geared to home power users maybe that want to setup a quick vm for the diff ones [20:27] I'd try the Ubuntu Server installer and see if it does what you need. If not, then sadly I've not seen what you're mentioning. [20:28] Er, I mean I'd try Ubuntu Server and see if it does what you want. [20:28] well nevermind for now. I'm going to try to google more. i just keep getting results for specific package sites (i.e. adguard, or plex.tv etc.). [20:30] yeah i'll pop open the ubuntu server install on my xcp-ng box and see what option it gives. [20:30] I haven't heard of distros having Plex on them like that, i have heard Truenas and Synology having an plugin you install, Plex, but you can install Plex and Qbittorrent-nox yourself anyway on any Ubuntu. [20:31] What services or apps do you actually want. If you want pihole you should run that on a separate VM and point your router's dns to the pihole so it can block ads if you want. === paradox is now known as Guest3666 [20:34] right now i only need dns (because my new internet router is limited -- won't let me create multiple entries to same IP for example) + pihole (not sure if thats a configurable dns server or just augments a dns server)... also have a nginxproxx/phpmyadmin containers on another vm... want to just consolidate into one vm and not have to manually install everything [20:35] have truenas for my storage... i guess I could just enable the dns as a plugin on it... didn['t think about that [20:36] I have Plex on Truenas on a Dell Optiplex, it runs fine. My new Plex is in a VM with 8 cpu and it doesn't run as good. Although when I say not good I mean I can't play 4K Avatar movie [20:37] or setup a jail & setup pihole/dns on it [20:37] gogofc_, yeah, I run plex server as a jail on my truenas. probably wioth vm is you would need to share the storage over nfs etc. which can add some lag [20:38] although I would think 4k movie isn't much throughput so shouldn't cause an issue [20:39] I think the player is unable to decode so the Plex server is transcoding, which is generally highly inefficient (CPU based). [20:39] I'm running truenas on esxi (oops, I said xcp-ng earlier... forgot, i'm running esxi at home) and have VMs on esxi shared network. the vms have decent speed... but obviously over a shared virtual network [20:40] yeah probably. stick a gpu in it if you have the money and let the hardware transcoder work [20:40] Yeah jail with pihole works, better than a full VM, uses less resources. [20:41] what is the player though? Even cheap Chromecasts can esily decode 4k [20:41] I don't think it's a throughput issue, it uses full 8 Cores, I didn't try and give it 16 though. There is no gpu only cpu, but on the Optiplex I guess it shared the gpu with truenas, but i didn't test 4K there either, it just seemed more responsive, I can not confirm. [20:42] gogofc_: what is the player? [20:42] player is Plex on a Samsung TV [20:42] and in plex's activity display you can check if it says "Direct play" [20:42] hmm, actually let me try on my Browser now, but I only have 1080 on my Laptop, so it won't be a real test. [20:43] let me check direct play [20:43] it is ok to transcode audio, but never video [20:43] the server should have almost zero cpu load [20:44] where is direct play, is it in the transcoder section of settings ? [20:45] ok so disable video stream transcoding? [20:45] on the top right of the plex web ui, there is a heartbeat icon which shows activity when something is playing [20:45] first check if it is transcoding [20:46] it should not if the player supports the codec, by default [20:46] first check with a plain h264 file as a baseline [20:46] it also shows it is transcoding what to what [20:47] you can of course also check the detailed logs; the ui is just very handy :) [20:47] OK so I disabled Video Transcoding and it wouldn't play in the browser, It said not enough cpu for conversion. [20:47] no leave those enabled [20:47] ok one sec, i just read the rest of the messages [20:47] it is only used as fallback [20:48] and test with your tv [20:49] yeah it says 264 on the activity heart beat icon [20:49] leave all transcoding settings to factory; I never have to touch those usually as Plex has sane defaults. [20:49] does it say direct play? [20:49] no, says transcoding [20:49] player is tv? [20:49] i couldn't find direct play, is it called that? [20:49] player is now the browser for checking the activity [20:50] but i can play on both [20:50] try tv [20:50] https://support.plex.tv/articles/200250387-streaming-media-direct-play-and-direct-stream/ [20:51] your browser might not be correctly set up for hardware decoding [20:51] (which is another non-trivial topic) [20:53] ok so Samsung also says 4K h264 transcode. It is going at 62mbps, works fine, but every 30 seconds it stops to catch up [20:53] gonna go read that article now [20:53] how about a 1080p h264 file? [20:54] if you have any? [20:54] 1080 p is just fine [20:54] it uses like 1 cpu [20:54] 4K uses 600% [20:54] does it say direct play/stream for 1080p. If not it is the same issue [20:54] it looks like it is always transcoding - bad [20:55] oohh ok it says direct play hevc [20:55] but that's 265, let me try 264 [20:55] finally :D [20:55] if it does not then that is bad [20:55] also when direct playing check cpu load on server; should be nothing [20:55] that's your goal [20:56] yeah 1080 is direct play 264 also. hmm so this upscaled avatar 4K movie might be weird? [20:56] what is the output of `ffprobe` on it? Please post. [20:56] yeah it's 60% of cpu, where as 4K was 600%, all 8 were at 80% [20:57] hmm how do i ffprobe [20:57] from ubuntu ? or inside plex? [20:57] from the shell: `ffprobe file.avi` [20:57] from ubuntu [20:57] ok one sec [20:57] run this command [20:58] installing ffmepeg now [20:59] run this command: `ffprobe file.avi |& curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st` and post the url [21:00] y ffmpeg is handy to have. I use it all the time to make mkv files which Samsung tvs can natively play [21:01] so you can bundle multiple audio and subtitle tracks in one neat container, but I digress :) [21:02] ok so ffprobe is done, there's a lot of text, what's relevant? [21:02] run this command: `ffprobe file.avi |& curl -F file=@- https://0x0.st` and post the url [21:02] everything [21:02] ok one sec, i didn't see the rest of the command [21:02] the part in ``s [21:05] https://0x0.st/oFgK.txt [21:05] I'm more happy about this 0x0 website you can curl stuff onto :) [21:06] :) [21:06] can you also post the same for the 1080p file which direct plays? [21:07] yeah [21:08] https://0x0.st/oFgP.txt [21:10] 1 sec [21:10] the lady beckons, sorry, brb [21:12] haha I had to google beckons :) [21:12] lol back [21:13] I guess now googling this, original Avatar was never released in 4K and someone upscaled this and probably added lots of, non understandable to me, artifacts that arent' there at all. So I'll delete the 4K, 1080 is better anyway. [21:13] so it seems the samsung has an issue with the bt709 colorspace, which the 1080p file does not have [21:13] so 4k is not the issue [21:13] BTW I would very much recommend a google tv device; they are awesome. [21:14] it's basically a chromecast with remote. I have one and it can hardware decode anything. [21:15] I have a chromecast but it's a 1080p one [21:15] if your tv does not support it (looks like) then you're out of luck unfortunately [21:15] however, it seems like your server and plex setup is fine [21:16] I'm sorry I could not solve your issue, but hopefully you understand it better now. [21:17] How in the world do you even know what bt709 is? :) I assume it's a color coding owned by google and samsung can't properly read it? [21:17] too much free time lol [21:17] Yeah no problem you showed me something more important, to paste stuff on 0x0 with curl :) [21:18] Allmost all of the documents for video encoding and compression are on-line somewhere. [21:18] there is also termbin (requires nc) [21:18] almost all human knowledge is online; just go and read :) [21:19] I am a huge movie and home theatre buff so I NEED to know all this :) [21:20] i found one of those annoying cool wanna be youtubers to explain what 709 color gamut is :) his name is Waqas Qazi [21:21] Well thank you for this Rabbit Hole, I have to finish my assignment at some point tonight :) [21:22] if you're watching on laptop then consider sharing the folder or copying the file and using mpv --hwdec=auto (or vlc equivalent). mpv will definitely decode if the gpu supports it (most likely). [21:23] (warning: vaapi and vdpau rabbithole) [21:29] hey all. I was annoyed by firefox delivered as snap package and switched to mozilla ppa. I'm hearing more and more reports from other people that they are similarly annoyed. Is there any chance, Ubuntu will switch back to deb? I don't see the point of the Snap package's overhead when the work of packaging it as deb is done anyway. [21:29] I think I heard of those vaapi few years back when I couldn't get Netflix to play on Chromium or something like that, I can't remember [21:30] rdz: Mozilla requested that we change the package from an apt package to a Snap. Unless they change their minds, I find it unlikely that the package will be changed back to a deb. [21:30] You can install Firefox-esr on Ubuntu, get their repo [21:30] rdz: That being said, Mozilla offers a binary Firefox tarball that is non-Snapped and automatically updates itself. [21:30] That's the option I would use. [21:31] arraybolt3 .. hmm, I'm not a developer or a politician in dev world.... How does something like that come about and why, why do they request deb to snap and viceversa? [21:31] gogofc_: that's what i did.. i just think ubunutu is doing a disservice to its user, when i hear people are getting annoyed who usually don't care too much about such details [21:31] gogofc_: yeah.. good question.. i thought firefox is opensource [21:32] gogofc_: I'm not familiar with the details behind why this is, however I suspect it is related to security, as web browsers have to deal with large amounts of untrusted code from the Web which they run automatically, so sandboxing the browser with Snap makes it more safe to use. [21:32] how is anyone in any position to request someone else to ship in a specified format [21:32] I'm one of the people who don't care much :), I use snaps on Fedora because otherwise Viber will never work as a pacakge, they tried for many years. Signal Whatsapp and those apps like that, which I like, I use snaps for [21:32]