[00:20] hi all ! i accidentally removed libgcr-base-3-1 when it was uninstalling my graphical session crashed. I rebooted into terminal mode and reinstalled libgcr-base-3-1. Now when i reboot again it keeps going to terminal. How can i get my desktop back ? [00:22] what does sudo systemctl get-default ? [00:22] hey, should installing libc6-{dev,dbg} be sufficient to get a _statically linked_ binary to have debug info in 18.04? in the ubuntu:latest it seems to work, but dwarfdump isn't seeing anything in 18.04 [00:23] ph88, what does "sudo systemctl get-default" give? [00:24] esv, graphical-target [00:26] gdm3 is not installed anymore for some reason [00:26] removing the library must have removed the rest of the graphical environment [00:27] how do i reinstall the graphical environment i had before ? [00:27] like the default ubuntu deskopt ... not the vanilla gnome [00:27] try: sudo apt install ubuntu-desktop [00:28] evening everyone [00:28] evening [00:28] does anyone know how to find the config file netplan is *actually* using? [00:28] jilocasin: I mis-read your nickname as a drug, jilocaine === wilson is now known as Guest4104 [00:28] jilocasin: hello o/ [00:28] ;> [00:28] :D [00:29] what do you have in /etc/netplan ? [00:29] thank you esv you saved me <3 [00:29] phew, it worked!! [00:30] just a mishmash, same nameserver a dozen times, same two search domain repeated a half dozen times that's it. [00:30] esv: was looking to revert MTU form 9000 back to 1500, but there's no MTU value in this at all. [00:31] my desktop is running NetworkManager ... interesting [00:33] esv: normally it would be set in the netplan yaml file, which means someone thought they were being clever. :/ [00:33] esv: running server here [00:34] do you have NM up? does "nmcli con show" give you anything interesting [00:34] esv: found it, it's in the interfaces file [00:36] in /etc/netplan ? [00:38] it amuses me the multiple ways a distro behaves [00:39] for example, my Ubuntu 22.04 is running NM. why? don't recall ever dealing with NM in Ubuntu. [00:40] Gnome comes with network manager it get's installed. But if you installed a ubuntu server then in the upper right corner the network will say unmanaged [00:40] How can i fix this during apt update? N: Skipping acquisition of configured file 'main/binary-i386/Packages', as repository 'https://mkvtoolnix.download/ubuntu jammy InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'i386' [00:41] I meant if you installed Ubuntu server then installed gnome, your default network will not be managed by network manager. [00:41] that's for 32 bits processors right ? [00:41] gogofc_, thx [00:42] * esv really needs to brush up on Ubuntu support. I suck @ it. [00:43] ph88: you can edit the 'deb' line for that repo to use 'deb [ arch=amd64 ]' .. https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/272916/7064 [00:43] ph88, do you have any references for it in /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* ? [00:44] esv, yes mkvtoolnix.download.list [00:44] sarnold, thx ill have a look [00:46] great that worked [00:46] What about this ? https://debian.neo4j.com/dists/stable/InRelease: Key is stored in legacy trusted.gpg keyring (/etc/apt/trusted.gpg), see the DEPRECATION section in apt-key(8) for details. Neo4j database ubuntu installation still mentions apt-key [00:46] ugh. untangling that is a pain. [00:47] ok no worries [00:47] ill figure it out [00:47] thanks for all the help guys [00:47] see ya ! [00:47] ph88: best of luck :) [00:49] 'nite [00:59] Is there any way to downgrade from 22.04 to 20.04 without losing all my files? I have a 20.04 USB stick. [01:00] !downgrade [01:00] Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported and may break your system. [01:05] Don't downgrade. Do backup your files to another disk if you have one [01:15] Hello bro [01:15] ngopi === chris14_ is now known as chris14 [02:45] Why is ubuntu 20.04lts apt upgrade showing me a bunch of packages with the title string: The following security updates require Ubuntu Pro with 'esm-apps' enabled: [02:45] Can i ignore it? Can I supress it? [02:47] Is there a window manager that displays previews of other desktop environments on the side [02:47] Like in permanence [02:50] pycurious1: you can get a free token on https://ubuntu.com/pro that'll give you free universe updates on up to five machines [02:51] sarnold: If I dont get that free token - ubuntu 20.04LTS is no longer safe? supported for security updates? [02:53] pycurious1: "no longer safe" isn't quite right -- ubuntu pro is universe updates [02:53] pycurious1: universe was always community supported, which didn't work great. mariadb was kept in pretty good shape by otto, but beyond that it was pretty poor [02:53] pycurious1: now there's updates for universe available through ubuntu pro [02:55] sarnold: I see the page you linked, I cant seem to get free anything there - what combination of selections get free tokens? I seem to get either $2500 or $1125 pricing? [02:55] pycurious1: there are two free tiers [02:55] pycurious1: one free tier, available to all, is five machines; the second free tier is open to ubuntu members, that's fifty machines [02:57] I'm selecting "Physical servers" for Q1. 5 for question 2, 20.04lts for question 3. - no free tiers shown here - or I am missing something [02:57] I only see "Free trial avaiable" [02:59] since I've already got ubuntu pro on my ubuntu one account I can't follow along very far; but from https://ubuntu.com/pro you should be able to click the "register" button next to the "Free for personal use" line, and get from there to a screen that kind of looks like the screenshot I added to https://github.com/canonical/ubuntu.com/issues/12453 [02:59] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 12453 in canonical/ubuntu.com "Free Pro personal token incorrect count for community members" [Open] [03:02] multifractal; you can re-install another release over a newer one.. and not impact your data files, but there can be consequences to this meaning a fair amount of homework is required if you value your data & go backwards... (the older apps may not be able to deal correctly with data modified by newer versions of the apps; this isn't release specific but application/package specific) [03:09] pycurious1: I just got there a bit ago, it's not quite that intuitive though it's easy once you know where to click. [03:09] pycurious1: You don't even have to sign up if you already have an Ubuntu One account (their single-sign-on service for most Ubuntu websites). [03:09] The button is on ubuntu.com/pro - click the "Your subscriptions" button. [03:10] Which links to this if you just want a one-click solution: https://ubuntu.com/pro/dashboard [03:10] It should show you the free personal token for 5 machines by default. [03:10] (At least it does for me.) [03:25] How do i fix this apt update problem: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B53DC80D13EDEF05 [03:25] coming from: https://packages.cloud.google.com/apt cloud-sdk InRelease [03:26] apt-key adv .. —recv-keys doesnt work for this one [03:29] hopefully google publishes their key someplace for users to download it and save it in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ [03:31] sarnold: found it —> curl https://packages.cloud.google.com/apt/doc/apt-key.gpg | sudo apt-key --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/cloud.google.gpg add - [03:31] woot [03:40] sarnold: what happens if one doesnt upgrade from LTS to PRO - the universe packages have less security? [03:41] pycurious1: yes [03:42] sarnold: where is a good place to install nvidia drivers from on LTS machines? (20.04 in particular) [03:43] pycurious1: 'ubuntu-drivers install' should know how to get the supported nvidia drivers [03:44] pycurious1: i'm headed out for the night :) have a good night, day, etc :) [04:51] how to troubleshoot that my ethernet adapter is disabled when I start my VM, and even if I enable it with ifconfig up internet doesn't work. ip r returns nothing... the adapter has only an ipv6 ip but not an ipv4 one [04:56] Is there a better file manager for Ubuntu--the default one is useless for so many reasons. [04:57] What do people use? It can't be that thing. [04:58] solifugus: I share your pain... [05:01] unclear how to sort by a column... it's not be clicking on the top... unclear if there is any way to create a new folder.... these things are so basic and yet... how/where?? the obvious ways are not there. [05:02] There is a checkbox selector when right-clicking that looks like it wants to be sorting by... but.. not sure what it's doing, actually [05:02] oh, i c... selecting the attributes to show [05:04] Also... how to refresh... pretty sure I added more files I am not seeing.... being able to sort by time would help there.. [05:11] F5 to reload [05:12] Right click "Modified" to sort by file modification time. [05:12] Sorry, left click. [05:12] Right click will let you choose which columns to display. [05:14] Are you using Nautilus file manager? [05:45] A.K.A "Files", "Simple file manager for GNOME" [05:54] anyone knows any linux gui app that shows total internet data usage and other related stuff? [05:58] In a very weird turn out of events, I found a post that suggested suspending and resume the VM, and that actually did fix the internet O_O.... [05:58] i was going to say Stacer to guest but he left [06:39] hello, looking for help with pam.d modules in 22.04 [06:44] i guess a follow up question is, for the manual here [06:44] https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jammy/man8/basic_pam_auth.8.html [06:44] how do i better navigate, is there any follow up materials to the manuals? reading the manuals is like not the easiest thing in the world... [06:48] Hello. I have join the Ubuntu pro program when I have seen the message that I should join it to use PhpMyAdmin. I have made the upgrade, and now PhpMyAdmin display a lot of warnings. I can not use it because they always display again. Someone here to copy these line in a private message? [06:49] Neal87: Libraries have tons of books on Linux paper and E-Books [06:51] rofl [06:51] anything online? [06:51] excuse me for being old and still enjoying books to read. As for online goolge or duckduckgo what you want to know [06:52] ok well im here [06:52] https://askubuntu.com/questions/1403438/how-do-i-set-up-pam-faillock [06:52] when i su, it seems to not be locking out [06:54] im trying to find more information on how to make sense of common-auth, common-account [06:54] floown, (I like to use postgres, but that's another story), are you trying to add tables and such to mysql? [06:54] the manual doesnt seem very clear [06:54] jim, no, I just had yesterday control if all works well after the installation [06:55] like even now im trying to find the man pages for the other parts for common-auth/common-account [06:55] i found it earlier but cant find it now ughh [06:55] Neal87: duckduckgo this common-auth, common-account in ubuntu tons of hits [06:55] flown: I suggest you copy and paste the errors you are seeing into a pastebin. [06:56] ok [06:56] s/flown/floown [06:56] ok ill try... my initial results on google are like older versions of ubuntu [06:57] try duckduckgo its been good to me for a while now [06:58] actually this guy had a good quesiton thats pretty much the question i have [06:58] https://askubuntu.com/questions/574845/what-is-the-correct-way-to-modify-etc-pam-d-common-auth [06:58] have successfully been modifying the above file appending auth required pam_exec.so expose_authtok /path/to/some/script [06:58] I'm reviewing whether the above is the recommended way of modifying PAM or if I should be creating a PAM-config in /usr/share/pam-configs/my-custom-thing. [06:58] Is creating a PAM-config the proper way to make my required change to PAM? [06:59] Eh, faillock was indeed problematic; I had to create 3 separate pam config files to make it work properly with pam-auth-update; and that information was nowhere in the internet [06:59] here is the pastebin for my PhpMyAdmin warnings: https://pastebin.com/APZeQkS5 [06:59] alkisg THANK YOU FOR THE VALIDATION ughh, im in the same boat right now [06:59] Neal87: yes, but faillock would require 3 files there; unfortunately I didn't spend any time documenting it [06:59] * darth_tux knows nothing about PAM just knows some SQL [06:59] we are getting ready to migrate to 22.04 and pam_tally is one of the tings that are deprecated [07:00] darth_tux well thanks for the duckduckgo suggesiton.. looks like the google results werent as good as the duckduckgo ones [07:01] floown: That sorta looks like maybe a configuration file is set up incorrectly. [07:01] no problem Neal87 [07:01] alkisg where did u go? i feel like im just typing random things into common-auth, common-account, and the /etc/ and then blindly seeing if it works or not [07:01] a few times i had to restart the VM in recovery mode and reset the file to original backup [07:01] floown: do you have a configuration file that sets or changes things related to open_basedir? [07:02] Neal87: faillock-authfail:Auth-Type: Primary, faillock-authsucc:Auth-Type: Additional, faillock-preauth:Auth-Type: Primary [07:02] (I've only barely used phpMyAdmin once a looooong time ago so I probably won't be a lot of help here, but I can try to help based on what I'm reading at least.) [07:02] Neal87: I had to create these 3 files. Unfortunately they're part of a production setup, I can't take them out and give them to you without proper review [07:03] After creating 3 files in pam-configs, you run pam-auth-update and it updates /etc/pam.d; you're not supposed to touch pam.d manually [07:03] your good, do you remember what you googled or searched to find more information on this [07:03] i see [07:03] yes i know the manual says its preferred to create a profile [07:03] arraybolt3, how can I know it? I use HestiaCP (a opensource CP) [07:03] Neal87: that information was nowhere on the internet, I had previous experience with programming pam [07:03] but the manual doesnt really give good examples on how to do this [07:04] arraybolt3, I think it's a stantard installation [07:05] i see [07:06] alkisg yeah, it seems like you are correct, someone posted a question on askubuntu, but no answers sadly [07:06] https://askubuntu.com/questions/1444024/how-to-configure-pam-faillock-in-common [07:07] I think it took me more than 10 hours to do all that, both the failed searching and the implementation/testing afterwards [07:07] i see... well thank you for sort of poiting me in the correct direction [07:07] 👍️ [07:08] in the common-* files in the pam.d directory it implies it needs to be added to another block elsewhere [07:08] but its as clear as mud [07:25] arraybolt3, do you have any idea of the problem? [07:28] floown: I'm sorry, I don't know enough to know what to do at this point. [07:32] ok i found the pam page [07:32] https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/jammy/en/man8/pam_faillock.8.html [07:32] Ok, thanks [07:32] i understand the faillock.conf file example [07:33] how do i make a config file in pam.d? === [[R]] is now known as rbox [08:05] I have just updated to 22.10, and I can no longer VNC into my machine? [08:25] noelgrandin: Do you still have a way to SSH in? Also, what VNC server are you using? [08:36] arraybolt3, I'm enabling screen sharing, so as used to work in 22.04 [08:36] same as used to work in 22.04 [09:08] I'm considering moving back to Ubuntu because Ubuntu officially supports ZFS. [09:09] So I'm guessing that Ubuntu won't ever ship a kernel that doesn't work with the current latest ZFS package? [09:11] Assuming that I want to run interim releases. [09:12] I'm looking at the Ubuntu releases chart https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle [09:12] It shows that Imperish Indri support ends before Kinetic Kudu support starts? [09:13] So there's a period between interim releases where the Interim release isn't supported? [09:13] You're supposed to jump to lts in the meantime [09:13] alkisg, that means reinstalling though? [09:13] Then continue normally with the next interim [09:13] Can you upgrade from interim release to another interim release? [09:13] or upgrade from interim release to LTS release? [09:14] Lope: no, just do-release-upgrade [09:14] Yes, you can upgrade between all these, [09:14] what you cannot do, is jump versions [09:14] The only jump allowed is from lts to lts [09:14] So e.g. 20.10 => 21.04 => 21.10 => 22.04 => 22.10 => 23.04 etc [09:14] But not 20.10 => 21.10 [09:15] Ok so this works? 20.10 => 21.04 => 21.10 => 22.04 => 22.10 => 23.04 etc [09:15] yeah [09:16] So when you say you cannot jump versions, you mean you can't upgrade from one LTS to another LTS? [09:16] no, that's the only jump you can do [09:16] 20.04 to 22.04 [09:16] ohm you can't skip a version. [09:16] I see. [09:16] That's fair, debian has the same requirement. [09:16] yeah consecutive lts releases [09:17] So can I assume that Interim releases will never give me a kernel (when I apt upgrade) that is not compatible with the ZFS package offered? [09:18] i [09:18] i'd assume so [09:18] That's the problem that I have on Debian Testing. Sometimes they give me a kernel that's incompatible with the ZFS that they give me. And then my system can't boot. [09:18] Imagine being away and needing to work on your laptop and it doesn't boot. [09:18] So much fun. [09:19] no personal experience with zfs but i dont imagine ubuntu releasing an incompatible kernel in the non-lts ones [09:19] you should be good [09:19] Lope: is that while using the stock https://packages.debian.org/zfs-dkms version? [09:20] alkisg, yes [09:20] That does sound weird, is there a bug report filed about it? [09:20] yes, it's happened a few times and they've taken note a few times. [09:20] But because ZFS isn't officially supported, the debian testing people don't care about ZFS [09:20] With or without backports? [09:21] you can't run backports on Debian Testing. [09:21] What I find weird is that they upload new versions of that package [09:21] backports are for stable debian releases. [09:21] Eh, testing isn't appropriate for production [09:21] And there are barely any backport packages. [09:21] If you run ubuntu devel, you'll have the same issues [09:21] alkisg, Testing is a requirement to not be in the stone age though. [09:21] Sometimes debian releases are 2 years apart. [09:22] Lope: there's a bullseye backport in the page I linked [09:22] Same as Ubuntu LTS releases [09:22] (and non LTS Ubuntu releases aren't really server material; they're OK for homes though) [09:22] alkisg, Ubuntu devel isn't as stable as Debian Testing though. [09:22] Debian Testing is actually mature stuff. [09:22] Debian sid is where the unstable stuff is. [09:23] OK anyway, you do know your requirements, and testing isn't guaranteed to work at all [09:23] You can use whatever you prefer, no argument there [09:23] Debian testing is so reliable because Debian stable is so old that so many people use testing. [09:23] I just though you were talking about debian stable, that's why I found it weird that zfs wouldn't work [09:23] I guess that's how they encourage people to use testing. [09:23] Let stable rot. [09:23] No, testing is where we developers upload test packages [09:23] That's not true. [09:23] You're thinking of sid. [09:24] Stuff goes into testing when it's already relatively reliable and proven. [09:24] No. We upload to unstable, they get migrated to testing, and they only reach stable after bugs are ironed out [09:24] Sid is where the unstable software is in debian. [09:24] There's also a repo called unstable in Debian as well. [09:24] The migration happens automatically if package conflicts aren't seen [09:24] Which is sometimes newer than sid. [09:25] So even sid isn't the most cutting edge. [09:25] (not always anyway) [09:25] There's no guaranteed user testing in the migration from unstable to testing [09:25] alkisg, no ZFS on Debian stable should be fine. [09:26] I'm saying ZFS on Debian testing has broken a few times. [09:26] OK that's completely understandable, stuff is allowed to break on testing [09:26] We can continue the ubuntu discussion now :) [09:28] Can you confirm that Interim Ubuntu releases won't give updated kernels that are incompatible with ZFS? === JeremyD is now known as SleePy [09:37] Lope: personally I can't officially confirm anything, but since interim ubuntu releases don't get newer kernel versions, I imagine that's the case [09:37] They only get security updates etc, not new major releases [09:38] I see the Ubuntu Kernel team have a ZFS reference guide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/ZFS [09:38] Yes, it seems like I can rely on interim releases being able to boot reliably. === nykma8 is now known as nykma [11:21] hi. Where does the list of input sources (list of languages/kb layouts)? From the language indicator I have only 2 languages, but when I switch with the keyboard shortcut it cycles through 3 of them. How can I know where the 3rd one is coming from? === Bocaneri is now known as Sauvin === Bocaneri is now known as Guest4854 === Guest4854 is now known as Sauvin [11:57] any of you who noticed that the new texteditor in 22.10 always opens in small window? How to make it to always open in fullscreen just like gedit? [11:57] does anyone know how nautilus decides which frames to use when generating video thumbnails? [12:20] hi [12:21] i want to install remmina in armbian OS [12:22] so ask in an armbian forum or IRC channel then [12:22] ok [12:23] how to configure firewall in ubuntu [12:27] hey - I'm having problem with a thirdparty repo, /usr/lib/apt/methods/gpgv says "InRelease: At least one invalid signature was encountered." [12:28] but when I try gpg --verify manually, it is happy that InRelease is signed with the correct key. how can I debug this better? [12:34] is the protocol to gpgv documented anywhere? [12:38] Has anyone encountered strange permission issues when running a VM in hyper-V? === keypushe- is now known as keypusher [13:31] Hi all [13:35] hi [13:52] heya I am having some problems with snap [13:52] I had certbot installed via apt and i'm trying to switch to using snap as they recommend [13:52] following this guide [13:52] https://certbot.eff.org/instructions?ws=apache&os=ubuntubionic [13:53] anyway after removing it with apt [13:53] and adding with snap went ok [13:53] but then when I do `certbot renew --apache` it says; [13:53] permanently dropping privs did not work: File exists [13:54] from google this is apparently a snap error before certbot can even run [13:54] but the fix appears unclear [13:58] yaleb, have you tried with 'using a standard user account with SUDO privileges' ? [13:59] yes that's how i'm doing it/have always used it since certbot requires root anyway [13:59] or, well, you know what I mean [14:00] im wondering what file it's even complaining about [14:00] like for all I know it might be doing some low level check before it runs itself to see if there are certs or a lockfile or something? [14:10] i'm just trying removing snapd as I dont use it already for anything [14:10] and reinstalling [14:10] and did --purge and autoclean etc [14:14] ok confirmed snap is working now with `sudo snap install hello-world` [14:14] yaleb, well, did you use a proper user and sudo to run certbot ? [14:14] (i dont see sudo on your command above) [14:14] ioria: yes as per ioria's comment [14:14] yeah I left it off in irc my mistake [14:14] so you do not run anything as the root user [14:15] "This revision of snap "certbot" was published using classic confinement and thus may perform [14:15] arbitrary system changes outside of the security sandbox that snaps are usually confined to, [14:15] which may put your system at risk." [14:15] eep [14:15] I accidentally tried that time without --classic in the command heh [14:15] sounds dodgy as i'm on ubuntu 22 maybe? [14:16] nah, the host OS doesnt mater [14:16] its a snap [14:16] (you could even install it on gentoo ...) [14:16] well it says in docs past 20 it's an integral part of the distro? [14:16] or atleast that its included and used [14:16] "it" ?? [14:17] certbot ? snapd ? what is "it" ? [14:17] snapd. [14:17] I was discussing this in my comments above [14:17] snapd is installed by default in ubuntu since 16.04 [14:17] anyway, it's reinstalled and reinstalled it's core after purging everything [14:18] no need to do anything about it ... just "sudo snap install certbot --classic" [14:18] `mjcd@dev:~$ sudo certbot --apache` [14:18] permanently dropping privs did not work: File exists [14:18] yes, it isn't optional to use classic but accidentally trying without gave me that error which sounds like it could be [14:19] also worth noting i've stopped apache [14:19] classic is never optional [14:19] I meant it's unrelated heh [14:20] just trying to provide as much info as I can [14:20] well, google suggests logging ut and back in again might help [14:20] *out [14:20] above is concisely the issue copy/pasted here [14:20] yeah and trying with other user accounts, with/without sudo (ie as root) etc [14:20] nah [14:20] dont use root [14:20] feels like stabbing in the dark but ill try relogging [14:20] infact [14:20] ill restart the whole server heh [14:21] apache2 stopped again... [14:21] is that a standard ubuntu install on bare metal ? (and using a default ubuntu kernel) [14:22] same result [14:22] it's ubuntu-server admittedly 😊 but beyond that stock u22 [14:23] well, i wonder if certbot tries to talk to a running apache when it does what it does there [14:23] wait [14:23] could there be apt certbot apache2 modules or something [14:23] also the "file exists" is suspicious [14:24] as far as says for the error ^^ it is snap giving it not certbot [14:24] are yu sure there isnt an old cert flying around somewhere in your apache setup ? [14:24] there likely is, which is why I also tried certbot with the `renew` option which would surely work [14:24] atleast beyond file exists [14:24] "file exists" doesnt sound like a snap error ... [14:24] well that's what google says [14:25] (the text before it does, but the actual error is the last bit) [14:25] and why the same error comes up for a bunch of different stuff also using snap [14:25] but it's far from definite [14:25] just what I found [14:25] renew mode shouldn't care about anything existing realistically [14:25] because that's the entirety of the job, to replace said file [14:26] im going to see if there's any apache integration docs for certbot [14:26] whats the output of "id" for your user ? [14:26] like if it IS "communicating" via a module that got left behind or something [14:26] uid=1000(mjcd) gid=1000(mjcd) groups=1000(mjcd),4(adm),24(cdrom),27(sudo),30(dip),46(plugdev),116(lxd) [14:26] hmm, looks all fine [14:27] python3-certbot-apache [14:27] hmmmmm [14:27] suspicious [14:28] it removed all that stuff when I removed certbot from apt [14:28] as far as I saw atleast [14:28] omg [14:28] I installed that package [14:29] error went away [14:29] .... ;/ [14:29] replaced with actual problems lol [14:30] but wonder why... shouldn't the snap package /include/ that package? [14:30] isn't that kinda the whole point? [14:30] well, the snap is for certbot, not for apache [14:30] you removed an apache piece [14:30] no it's a python lib [14:31] which apache2 doesn't explicitly require [14:31] well, an apache focused python lib [14:31] right right [14:31] (which likely provides the API that certbot uses to talk to apache) [14:31] but then, again, shouldn't snap make sure the snap image thing has the ability to access that? [14:31] and if it is required for --apache to work [14:32] then shouldn't it be inside the snap not manually installed at the system level as a requirement of nothing? [14:32] (formerly a requirement of apt's certbot ofc) [14:32] it should prehaps give yu a suggestion ... [14:32] yeah "file exists" is cryptic as heck [14:32] but the package you removed is clearly part of the apache side [14:33] but not required, so it got removed as only certbot natively required it, but now it's natively running/installed [14:33] certbot cant ship that bit since it needs to be a systemwide module attached to the local apache installation [14:33] this seems nightmarish [14:33] i've literally never used snap [14:33] but it's like, blending native and containerized or something [14:33] ;/ [14:33] classic is ... yeah [14:33] ohhhhhhhhhhhhh [14:33] classic snaps are rare though [14:33] that, makes a lottt of sense [14:33] as that error message implied [14:34] ok [14:34] (because really hard to package ... you need to make sure nothing leaks into te other side) [14:34] putting that behind me then haha, i'll remember for next time or maybe they'll update the certbot snap [14:34] snaps update themselves automagically [14:34] yeah I mean that's what I was expecting haha [14:34] if you are not familiar with snaps yet i recommend to at least read "snap help" [14:35] it's meant to make life easier not harder [14:35] but now it makes sense [14:35]