[01:39] <konrad> Hey, I've just installed Ubuntu v. 22.04 - I noticed, that Firefox is installed via Snap - I'm a bit lost, is this something new, or I missed something before? Why is that so? BTW, I don't even have Firefox in the Application Launcher. It's KDE (Kubuntu) if this matters.
[01:41] <sarnold> new-ish
[01:42] <sarnold> with snaps, eventually there'll be one version of firefox compiled per architecture, and mozilla can update them when they want
[01:43] <sarnold> with debs we had five or six packages built per architecture and there might be differences in performance, behaviour, bugs, etc
[01:43] <sarnold> and providing updates was getting harder as it meant bringing back new versions of the rust compiler to old releases
[01:47] <konrad> ok, I think I got it, thanks sarnold !
[01:49] <sarnold> yay :D
[02:03] <pycurious> how do i log cpu/gpu temps in a file in ubuntu 20.04lts?
[02:05] <sarnold> heya pycurious :)
[02:06] <pycurious> hope you had a good day sarnold?
[02:07] <sarnold> pycurious: yeah, not bad :)
[02:08] <pycurious> Still trying to figure out why my GPU desktop crashes at a certain point in time - I was thinking of recording the temps - perhaps they could give a blue
[02:10] <sarnold> pycurious: there's a bunch of temp files in /sys/devices/ that have temperatures, here's my thinkpad https://termbin.com/g1x0
[02:10] <sarnold> pycurious: ugh :( that's frustrating :(
[02:11] <pycurious> sarnold: I want to record those temps so that i can look at them at the time of freeze
[02:12] <sarnold> pycurious: I got those paths by looking through find /sys/devices -name '*temp*' -- your system will probably have some similar, some different, etc
[02:13] <sarnold> pycurious: once you've found them, you can do something like: while true ; do sleep 10 ; grep . /sys/devices/....  >> ~/temps ; done
[02:13] <pycurious> sarnold: will give that a try, thanks
[02:22] <pycurious> sarnold: was also looking at telegraf/grafana/promethius - they look painful to setup
[02:22] <sarnold> pycurious: yeah
[02:22] <sarnold> pycurious: this thing is packaged in the archives and people who run it seem to really like it, but i've never set it up myself :( https://github.com/netdata/netdata
[02:24] <pycurious> sarnold: looking - looks promising so far
[03:00] <squarecircle> qemu-nbd: Disconnect client, due to: Failed to read request: Unexpected end-of-file before all bytes were read
[03:00] <squarecircle> qemu-nbd: Disconnect client, due to: Failed to read request: Unexpected end-of-file before all bytes were read
[03:02] <squarecircle> hyeo
[03:03] <squarecircle> qemu-nbd: Disconnect client, due to: Failed to read request: Unexpected end-of-file before all bytes were read
[03:03] <squarecircle> heyo. Anyone had this stupid error with qemu-nbd?
[03:18] <squarecircle> oh yeah, not being stupid
[03:19] <squarecircle> helps a lot with debugging. There was an old modified image still connected and could not be disconnected because it contained a mounted crypt volume.
[03:23] <pycurious> sarnold: how do i fix this - The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY AA16FCBCA621E701 - and i do have another one of these having issues
[03:23] <pycurious> sarnold: And I tried to do netdata - and i got into this one : GPG error: http://repo.netdata.cloud/repos/edge/ubuntu focal/ Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG F9177B5265F56346 Netdata
[03:26] <pycurious> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys AA16FCBCA621E701 - not sure why this is failing
[03:26] <arraybolt3> pycurious: What repository is failing?
[03:27] <arraybolt3> Oh, wait, I see it.
[03:27] <pycurious> arraybolt3: I've two failing at this point. No matter what i try - cant fix those
[03:28] <arraybolt3> pycurious: apt will look in two places for keys - a trusted.gpg.d folder, which are keys that are trusted for any repo (these are being deprecated). Then there are repo-specific keys that I believe are stored under /etc/apt/keyrings and that are assigned to particular repos. The trick is finding the right key and putting it in the right place.
[03:29] <arraybolt3> Usually the repo setup directions for each third-party repo you set up have the key setup as part of the instructions, though.
[03:29] <pycurious> arraybolt3: what i dont understand is - one one system - this command "sudo apt-key adv --keyserver http://keyserver.ubuntu.com/ --recv-keys AA16FCBCA621E701" fixed the issue. On another one - it wont. Says: gpg: keyserver receive failed: No such file or directory
[03:30] <arraybolt3> THat key appears to be in the Ubuntu keyserver.
[03:30] <arraybolt3> https://keyserver.ubuntu.com/pks/lookup?search=AA16FCBCA621E701&fingerprint=on&op=index
[03:30] <arraybolt3> So, perhaps there's a different way you can do this, one moment while I do some experimenting...
[03:31] <arraybolt3> pycurious: Really, though, the right way to do this isn't to just blindly accept whatever key the package claims it needs, the right way would be to figure out the key from the distributor and import that key. Otherwise you defeat the security of the key setup and risk installing malicious packages.
[03:32] <pycurious> arraybolt3: how do i do it the right way - I dont even know what package is being installed using that key
[03:32] <arraybolt3> pycurious: I think I can see the key here: http://repo.netdata.cloud/repos/repoconfig/ubuntu/focal/
[03:32] <arraybolt3> It's probably the Release.gpg file.
[03:33] <arraybolt3> Though... there's .deb files in there that look like they'll probably automate the process.
[03:33] <arraybolt3> And I'm realizing that file might not be the right file after all.
[03:35] <arraybolt3> pycurious: Yep, just found out by digging through the .apt package in that folder.
[03:35] <arraybolt3> pycurious: Download this: http://repo.netdata.cloud/repos/repoconfig/ubuntu/focal/netdata-repo_2-1+ubuntu20.04_all.deb and install it with "sudo apt install ./netdata-repo_2-1+ubuntu20.04_all.deb".
[03:35] <arraybolt3> That will install the keys.
[03:35] <arraybolt3> (I checked inside the file, it contains the keys and puts them under trusted.gpg.d.)
[03:36] <pycurious> arraybolt3: The following packages will be REMOVED:
[03:36] <pycurious>   netdata-repo-edge
[03:36] <pycurious> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[03:36] <pycurious>   netdata-repo
[03:36] <pycurious> that probably was not the correct deb?
[03:37] <arraybolt3> You already have the edge repo isntalled then.
[03:37] <arraybolt3> What's "ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d" show? Pastebin, please.
[03:37] <pycurious> After that deb install - I still get - W: GPG error: http://repo.netdata.cloud/repos/edge/ubuntu focal/ Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG F9177B5265F56346 Netdatabot <bot@netdata.cloud>
[03:38] <arraybolt3> BADSIG means that the signature the package has and the signature provided by the distributor are mismatched. That either means that something on either your end or their end is misconfigured, or you have an attempted man in the middle attack on your hands.
[03:38] <pycurious> arraybolt3: https://dpaste.org/wX4WN
[03:39] <arraybolt3> I see you have netdata-edge and netdata repos both installed... that might be our fault from what we just did just now, but that may be the problem.
[03:39] <arraybolt3> I'd unstainll both netdata-repo and netdata-repo-edge, then remove both of their .list files from /etc/apt/sources.list.d, then install only the repo package for the version you actually want.
[03:40] <pycurious> let me try
[03:40] <arraybolt3> Also, do you have a proxy server involved?
[03:41]  * arraybolt3 has to go afk suddenly, sorry and good luck!
[04:58] <arraybolt3> OK, here's a silly question for you. Is there a way to get Linux to make /dev/mmcblk0 actually be named /dev/sda, in such a way that the partitions behave the same, i.e. /dev/mmcblk0p1 becomes /dev/sda1?
[04:59] <arraybolt3> (Background - I'm trying to use WoeUSB to make a Windows installation drive... BUT... I'm trying to flash the Windows ISO to an SD card reader. Apparently the way that Linux presents an SD card to the system is confusing WoeUSB.)
[04:59] <arraybolt3> I suspect this is probably futile, and I need to just find a USB SD card reader rather than using the SD card slot in the side of my laptop.
[05:01] <arraybolt3> (And if you're wondering why I'm trying to make a Windows installation drive, it's not for me - my dad got himself hacked and needs his laptop reinstalled.)
[05:03] <darth_tux> arraybolt3: its ok I am getting a win laptop just to game and nothing else. I wont do a thing on it off gaming because I hate windows with a seething passion but it is good for games
[05:05] <arraybolt3> Gah, cheap USB SD card reader died on me. The card itself is still OK though :P
[05:05] <arraybolt3> Anyway, I'm realizing I can use a VM to do this if I get desperate, and also I have other USB card readers, so nevermind about the above question.
[05:22] <cats3d> morning! I have a problem that I don't know how to describe well: sometimes some applications lose connection with their window. The visual part of the window stops responding, but the application is still running
[05:23] <cats3d> it happens only to windows on my 2nd monitor
[05:23] <cats3d> Is there anything I can do about it, other than not using a 2nd monitor?
[06:58] <blahboybaz> I see this message when updating my system `The following security updates require Ubuntu Pro with 'esm-apps' enabled:` What, are security updates being held back unless you pay?
[06:59] <lotuspsychje> !ubuntupro | blahboybaz
[07:02] <blahboybaz> lotuspsychje: What is the difference if you use it or don't use it? You still will get the updates listed in that section but not until later?
[07:03] <blahboybaz> Am I accepting a security deficiency by not doing it?
[07:03] <blahboybaz> deficit
[07:08] <Apachez> any of you who noticed that the new texteditor in 22.10 always opens in small window? How to make it to always open in fullscreen just like gedit?
[10:24] <brkcore> I have installed libcab-dev:amd64, can I safelly remove 'libcab-dev'? also removing 'libssl-dev:amd64' ? anything I should be aware of before removing these?
[10:26] <brkcore> apt-cache rdepends libcab-dev doesnt show any
[11:17] <m15k> I'm looking for a ui where I can backup my home folder but deselect some folders from these backups.
[11:19] <lotuspsychje> !backup | m15k
[11:21] <m15k> When I'm using rsync in archive mode and want to move it to an ssh location I need to be root in the remote location?
[11:30] <ravage> m15k: simple answer is yes. details: https://superuser.com/questions/605425/rsync-root-files-between-systems-without-specifying-password/889313#889313
[11:30] <ravage> if you want to preserve all rights
[11:34] <m15k> ravage: I see. Damn.
[12:52] <RaimondRaj> i been faceing this problem since a long. could anyone help me on this ( https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xS76pMfSVm/ )
[13:12] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:12] <RaimondRaj> please help me to fix my postfix / sendmail issue
[15:00] <jhutchins> RaimondRaj: What guide did you use to set it up?
[15:20] <Guest639> Hi. I'm trying to install Ubuntu 22.04.1  on my Asus R500 laptop, and I just get a black screen after booting the USB stick... there are a bunch of text messages first, but then it just goes black. I'm not sure where to go from here. Any suggestions?
[15:47] <fury> proposal: never show the user a button called "Partial Upgrade", ever, it seems far more likely to break stuff than not
[15:47] <fury> ask me how i know :D
[15:48] <fury> sitting here wiping and reinstalling as we speak
[15:48] <leftyfb> !bug | fury
[15:49] <fury> i'll try to keep that in mind next time i run into that :D though i don't know which package it came down to. all i know is this morning i clicked "partial upgrade", and then the system ceased to be able to boot
[15:49] <fury> it's already wiped now tho
[15:58] <Guest34> https://dpaste.org/VYgn8 what am I doing wrong? I want to set my tablet's tracking mode to relative. Now it's absolute.
[16:03] <dsc_> fury: having to reinstall Ubuntu every $X months is part of the linux experience, altho must say that since a few years things have improved (Linux has truly come to the desktop ;))
[16:04] <fury> funny thing is i had just wiped and installed a fresh copy of 22.04.1 within the last week :D so i'm not sure what there was to upgrade to
[16:07] <ArmouredHeart> Hello, I have just freshly installed ubuntu to my N550Jx laptop and seem to be having difficulty with the wifi suddenly being disabled a few minutes after boot. I am a gentoo user so I am used to just using ifconfig to bring up my network interfaces, however it seems ifconfig is depreciated in ubuntu? Also, I have no idea what is default in ubuntu so I also don't know where to start looking to diagnose the wifi adapter being randomly turned off. Any
[16:07] <ArmouredHeart> help would be greatly appreciated
[16:10] <ogra> ArmouredHeart, on non desktop systems ubuntu uses netplan by default ... documentation is at netplan.io ... (FWIW, ifconfig was deprecated in debian, ubuntu just had to follow suit here, if you need a commandline tool to i.e. look up addresses use "ip")
[16:17] <ogra> ArmouredHeart, "a few minutes after boot" sounds like your WIFI device goes into some power saving mode, there might be a driver option you need to set or some such
[16:49] <dakotakae> Hey all! I'm looking for a little help with `landscape-config`. Just signed up for Ubuntu Pro Desktop and it included Landscape. Trying to configure with `sudo landscape-config --computer-title "name" --account-name my-name` gives me the following Python error: `AttributeError: module 'lib' has no attribute 'OpenSSL_add_all_algorithms'`. I use PyEnv, so I thought it may have been an issue with my custom version of Python3 and
[16:49] <dakotakae> I switched my global interpreter to the system one, still no luck.
[17:07] <Guest9185> hello all
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> welcome Guest9185
[17:09] <Guest9185> I'm currently running Ubuntu Server 21.04 as a file-/media server at home. As there is no longer any support on 21.04 I want to upgrade to 22.04 LTS. However, this is the first time I am upgrading Ubuntu on a system that is not "vanilla" and I could use some input on the process and things I should consider (if I have understood correctly I need to
[17:09] <Guest9185> upgrade first to 21.10?)
[17:10] <Guest9185> Зараз я використовую Ubuntu Server 21.04 як файловий/медійний сервер вдома. Оскільки 21.04 більше не підтримується, я хочу оновити до 22.04 LTS. Однак це перший раз, коли я оновлю Ubuntu на системі, яка не є
[17:10] <Guest9185> "ванільною", і я міг би використати деяку інформацію щодо процесу та речей, які я повинен розглянути (якщо я правильно зрозумів, мені потрібно спочатку оновити до 21.10?)
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> Guest9185: if your server is connected to the internet, i would for for a fresh install 22.04
[17:12] <Guest9185> yes but wont that corrupt the EFI bootloader
[17:12] <Guest9185> так, але це не пошкодить завантажувач EFI
[17:13] <lotuspsychje> english only here in this channel Guest9185
[17:13] <Guest9185> I was told there would be Ukraine to assist
[17:15] <lotuspsychje> !ru | Guest9185 see also
[17:15] <Guest9185> thank
[17:19] <pi_> hi chat
[17:20] <pi_> anyone here
[17:20] <pi_> in 2023
[17:20] <pi_> ?
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> pi_: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[17:22] <pi_> yes , is there a way to customize ubuntu
[17:22] <pi_> ?
[17:23] <lotuspsychje> pi_: can you elaborate, what would you like to customize exactly?
[17:24] <ArmouredHeart> ogra: The ip command fails to bring up my wifi interface. The "nmcli d" command still shows its status as "down" and "dormant"
[17:24] <pi_> i want to customize it to run windows softwares flawlessly?
[17:28] <pi_> is there any methods other than wine
[17:28] <pi_> wine is not even working for that software
[17:28] <pi_> i want to install robo analyzer
[17:29] <tomreyn> pi_: you can run any windows software in a windows VM
[17:30] <ArmouredHeart> pi_: Windows software will rarely work flawlessly on linux because it depends on windows-only libraries. The WINE system can provide "hooks" and a C drive where windows programs can be installed, and many windows programs run decently well using it. WINE itself is highly customizable, but takes a lot of work and understanding to get a profile set up for a specific program. There is the PROTON versoin of WINE which is tailored to games, for example. It
[17:30] <ArmouredHeart> can also run other graphically intensive software.
[17:32] <pi_> PROTON , ill check it ! ArmouredHeart  thanks , is it easy to use
[17:33] <pi_> i used wine. but it was hard to use , i mean to customize
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> pi_: there's playonlinux too if you want it easier
[17:36] <ArmouredHeart> pi_: A really cheap trick you could use is to install Steam, add your program to steam library, and then enable "forced windows compatability" in the management menu, and try running it as if it were a game. I know I managed to get things to work that way back when I still used windows stuff
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> pi_: there are also a few snaps available for robot software on ubuntu
[17:43] <pi_> lotuspsychje, Thanks
[17:44] <pi_> ArmouredHeart, wow man that genius
[17:44] <pi_> ill install steam
[17:45] <tomreyn> or you could use ROS, if you don't depend on the specific software
[17:45] <ArmouredHeart> Yeah, the "sudo ip link set [interface] up" command doesn't bring the wifi backup. What is the package called so I can rip out the default networking and install something that works?
[17:46] <tomreyn> are you asking "which package provides the 'ip' command"?
[17:47] <pi_> tomreyn, have you used ros
[17:47] <tomreyn> pi_: no. i bet alis can help you find a channel where there are folks who did, though
[17:47] <tomreyn> !alis
[17:48] <pi_> tomreyn, Thanks for the suggestion;
[17:48] <pi_> ubottu, you tooo!
[17:49] <ogra> ArmouredHeart, ip alone can not handle wifi ... if you want to configure it with NM anyway (sorry, i thought you'd run a server install) just use the "nmtui" command
[17:49] <ArmouredHeart> tomreyn: Ah, yes. Sorry. Frustration has eroded my manners
[17:50] <ogra> nmtui gives you an easy to mnager commandline UI
[17:50] <ogra> *manage
[17:50] <ArmouredHeart> Yes, but it can't turn on the interfaces
[17:51] <tomreyn> ArmouredHeart: dpkg -S $(which ip)    # but i very much doubt this is going to make anything better
[17:51] <ArmouredHeart> The problem is not the connection, it is that the network device has been turned off and I can't get it to turn back on
[17:51] <ogra> well, did you check if your driver has a power management feature  ?
[17:51] <tomreyn> and did you check rfkill
[17:52] <ArmouredHeart> Ah! No I did not. I have never needed before. Thank you
[17:52] <ogra> ArmouredHeart, try: "iw dev wlan0 get power_save"
[17:53] <ogra> (or however your network card is named indeed)
[17:53] <pconst167> hi all
[17:53] <pconst167> why is gnome so good?
[17:53] <ogra> because it removed all evil
[17:53] <pconst167> why is gnome so good indeed?
[17:53] <pconst167> what evil
[17:54] <ogra> no idea
[17:54] <ogra> bu if it is good there must be less evil
[17:54] <pconst167> you better explain yourself boy
[17:54] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | pconst167
[17:55] <pconst167> !ubuntu
[17:55] <pconst167> !lubuntu
[17:55] <pconst167> !gubuntu
[17:55] <pconst167> I want GUBUNTU
[18:34] <ArmouredHeart> I used iwconfig [interface] power off to turn off the power management. However, using ip to try and bring up the interface throws "RTNETLINK answers: Input/output error". The driver in use is iwlwifi
[18:40] <ArmouredHeart> recovery mode the wifi works fine
[18:40] <ArmouredHeart> it is only in "normal" mode that there are problems
[18:41] <ArmouredHeart> Ubuntu LTS 22.04
[18:59] <tortal> anybody running wsl noticing strange copy-paste behavior between host-OS and ubuntu (running in terminal)
[19:00] <leftyfb> !wsl | tortal
[19:01] <leftyfb> hm
[19:01] <leftyfb> that needs to be fixed
[19:02] <leftyfb> tortal: /join #windows-wsl for support with WSL
[19:02] <tortal> ah, thanks leftyfb
[19:02] <tortal> looked at #wsl first was empty
[19:06] <fooman2011> Hello, is there a way to use apt to install deb files from a local repository located on my HD ? I'm looking for a way without adding my local repository in /etc/apt/source.list
[19:09] <leftyfb> fooman2011: you can use dpkg to install the .deb files. Otherwise, if you want your repository to be referred to as a repository, you need to add it to the repository lists in /etc/apt/sources.list or /apt/sources.list.d/*
[19:12] <tortal> are there any demands for a deb repo to have http links or can they have file uri _
[19:12] <peirik> Anyone know how to sort the output from "ag -c"?
[19:12] <fooman2011> thanks you leftyfb. For instance in RedHat you can passe a repo file to yum using the -c option. There is no option like that for apt ?
[19:13] <leftyfb> peirik: pipe to sort?
[19:24] <tortal> what's ag
[19:24] <tortal> ah, grep like
[19:28] <jhutchins> fooman2011: Pretty sure you can pass a URL to dpkg.  Clean up missing dependencies with apt -f install.
[21:25] <villas> hi
[21:29] <robottidude> Hello there
[21:29] <sarnold> hi robottidude
[21:30] <robottidude> I have problem with my keyboard. when I press my cursor keys. it will send different key press. Meaning that they are mapped to different keys
[21:31] <robottidude> like left cursor key is working like Home
[21:31] <robottidude> and right is End
[21:31] <robottidude> how I can configure my keyboard layout? like reconfigure?
[21:32] <robottidude> my cursor keys are behind fn+wsad
[21:32] <robottidude> those work fine on grub and windows
[21:32] <sarnold> it might be worth looking around a little bit to see if your keyboard has a fn button or something similar that changes the meanings of the keys; i've seen more than one person try to change in software something that could be fixed by pushing a button
[21:33] <robottidude> how about those work fine on grub?
[21:34] <robottidude> KeyCode: =/+/ 0x73  115 0163
[21:34] <robottidude> KeySym: End NoSymbol End
[21:34] <robottidude> it should be left. but sends end
[21:34] <robottidude> so it might be right
[21:35] <robottidude> but I dont know what to do.
[21:35] <sarnold> oh heh, so it's not just an easy button somewhere :(
[21:36] <robottidude> yeah. it just works on grub and windows. but after booted it is borked :D
[21:36] <ogra> how about in the terminal
[21:37] <robottidude> I did try it also in virtual consoles ctrl+alt+f2
[21:37] <robottidude> and it is same there.
[21:37] <ogra> okay ... then you might need a different keyboard layout ... assuming that is a laptop, did you google for it yet
[21:37] <robottidude> I did try to use history by cursor keys. but they work like end
[21:37] <robottidude> this is desktop
[21:38] <ogra> with Fn key ?
[21:38] <robottidude> yeh
[21:38] <ogra> interesting
[21:38] <robottidude> this is usb keyboard with bluetooth too.
[21:38] <robottidude> problem is same with bluetooth
[21:39] <ogra> do you know the brand/model of the keyboard ?
[21:40] <robottidude> https://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/698252/Blackstorm-RGB-Mech-2021-60-Dual-Mode-pelinappaimisto-Outemu
[21:40] <robottidude> it is this
[21:40] <robottidude> there is also picture of that keyboard
[21:40] <robottidude> I have pink one
[21:42] <robottidude> Blackstorm RGB Mech 2021 60% Dual Mode
[21:44] <sarnold> it has 'end' and 'hm' printed on the right side of the keyboard
[21:44] <ogra> very finnish ...
[21:44] <sarnold> so much for my guess that maybe you needed to hold down two keys or something..
[21:44]  * ogra is overwhelmed by all the vowels in his face
[21:44] <sarnold> yes it's very finnish :)
[21:45] <robottidude> :D
[21:45] <ogra> what does "dual mode" mean and did you try switching modes ?
[21:45] <ogra> perhaps it is in the wrong "mode"
[21:45] <sarnold> my guess is usb and bluetooth
[21:45] <robottidude> yeah. usb and bluetooth
[21:45] <ogra> ah
[21:46] <ogra> not any "extra layer of mappings" mode
[21:46]  * ogra has a few 60% kbds, but there are self-built so i have ful control over the firmware and keymapping in them
[21:46] <ogra> *they are
[21:46] <robottidude> I dont know if there is something like that.
[21:47] <robottidude> it is quite basic in Windows
[21:47] <robottidude> and on Grub
[21:47] <robottidude> yes. this normally costs 60€. but I got this for 15€
[21:47] <sarnold> I wonder if there's windows drivers to configure things?
[21:48] <robottidude> so that why I have this. but I did desided today use it linux and noticed that no cursor keys.
[21:48] <robottidude> I dont know. It just works on WIndows
[21:48] <robottidude> after boot
[21:48] <robottidude> normal keyboard drivers
[21:49] <ogra> well, i'm pretty sure you'd need a custom keymap for it ... but no clue how one does that nowadays (i tink i did that the last time around 2012 and the whole kbd handing has changed since
[21:49] <robottidude> everything else works here. but not this
[21:49] <robottidude> maybe there is some odd fn-mode
[21:49] <sarnold> setxkbmap  /usr/share/X11/xkb/  stuff is the newer Xorg keyboard map things, but it's not very fun
[21:49] <robottidude> that changes those cursor keys to end, home and other keys
[21:49] <ogra> is xmodmap still a thing ?
[21:50] <sarnold> yeah
[21:50] <sarnold> I'm not sure which one is easier to work with
[21:50] <sarnold> my old four-line ~/.Xmodmap can be replaced by this one line though setxkbmap -option caps:escape
[21:50] <ogra> i think xmodmap is great for ad-hoc stuff but not so much for permanent
[21:50] <sarnold> so I've vastly preferred setxkbmap for a while :)
[21:51] <sarnold> hmm
[21:51] <robottidude> I did install xkeycaps
[21:51] <robottidude> and it seems old
[21:51] <ogra> yeah, thats ancient
[21:51] <ogra> here is a description of the old way https://superuser.com/questions/2194/remap-keys-in-linux ...
[21:52] <robottidude> I am using 22.04 and I think I am using Wayland.
[21:53] <ogra> so you'd grab "showkey" to actually find the keycode the kbd sends when you press the desired button ... and then use xmodmap to point that keycode to the resulting action you want
[21:54] <sarnold> I can't find any buttons on that thing for controlling numlock
[21:54] <robottidude> I think I am going to try that.
[21:54] <sarnold> I wonder if numlock is turned on ..
[21:54] <ogra> oh !
[21:54] <ogra> i think sarnold is onto something
[21:55] <ogra> robottidude, can you try toggling numlock ?
[21:55] <robottidude> it is off now
[21:55] <robottidude> no difference
[21:55] <sarnold> dang :( I really liked that idea
[21:56] <ogra> yeah
[21:56] <robottidude> *+§
[21:57] <robottidude> I did have secondary keyboard connected to my computer
[21:57] <robottidude> and it did have numlock on
[21:57] <robottidude> I just turned it off.
[21:58] <robottidude> can secondary keyboard break things?
[21:58] <ogra> nah, they are separate things
[21:58] <ogra> (at least normally 😛 )
[21:58] <robottidude> is there possiblity that keyboard works better with other computer?
[21:59] <ogra> hard to tell
[21:59] <robottidude> I have raspberry pi with raspbian os
[21:59] <robottidude> should I test this?
[21:59] <sarnold> hmm, there's one numlock setting at any given moment, I've heard of folks having a second keyboard plugged in just to have the numlock key once in a while
[21:59] <sarnold> so if the other keyboard showed numlock on, it would have been on for all the keyboards at once
[22:00] <ogra> h, yu mean on a kernel level on boot ?
[22:00] <ogra> *you
[22:00] <ogra> hmm
[22:01] <nothingman> hey
[22:01] <ogra> robottidude, wel, why not ...
[22:01] <ogra> *well
[22:01] <ogra> damn ... my laptop kbd is slowly giving up 😞
[22:01] <robottidude> I must try something soon
[22:01] <robottidude> like when I am ready
[22:02] <sarnold> ogra: I know where you can get a good deal on neat looking finnish keyboards :)
[22:03] <ogra> sarnold, lol, for my XPS13
[22:03] <ogra> ?
[22:04] <sarnold> ogra: it's not quite per-kernel sort of thing, each virtual console has its own numlock setting; but there's one per context
[22:05] <ogra> well, i remember there was a numlock=on kernel cmdline once in the past
[22:05] <sarnold> xkbvleds can show the status of the leds graphically, holy cow that's ugly looking today :)
[22:05] <ogra> lol
[22:05] <ogra> we'Re just old farts ...
[22:05]  * sarnold nods
[22:05] <robottidude> I am going to try it first for my laptop
[22:05] <robottidude> after that with my raspberry pi
[22:08] <nothingman> hi. i have ubuntu server, i want buy a new domain, but i dont have a fix ip.
[22:09] <nothingman> how can i do it right?
[22:10] <ogra> you will need to buy an IP at your internet provider
[22:10] <ogra> (or change to a provider that offers one along with the access)
[22:10] <nothingman> yes i want but the provider say they cant give me a fix ip
[22:10] <nothingman> :(
[22:11] <toddc> nothingman: or use a dynamic dns that is availible free and for a small price fron a lot of places
[22:11] <sarnold> there's a bunch of different things interacting at once; domain names are separate from dns names. you can buy domain names from registrars such as gandi or namecheap. ips can often be leased from cloud providers, or other isps
[22:11] <sarnold> sigh I hate being stupid
[22:11] <nothingman> now i use a dynamic dns, but i want build a mail server
[22:11] <sarnold> domain names are separate from ip addresses  <<--- fixed
[22:13] <nothingman> maybe i change the provider
[22:13] <ogra> or buy a cloud instance and do it there ...
[22:14] <sarnold> that'll definitelygive far better results
[22:14] <nothingman> nope. i want my home server, easier.
[22:14] <nothingman> i work with too much data.
[22:14] <sarnold> most mail servers drop email from residential networks
[22:15] <ogra> yep
[22:15] <nothingman> im a photographer, i give the photos the cotumers from my home server. this is safety.
[22:15] <robottidude> yes
[22:16] <robottidude> same problem with raspberry pi
[22:16] <robottidude> no cursor keys on command line
[22:16] <robottidude> and nowhere else
[22:16] <nothingman> apt-get install cursor
[22:16] <nothingman> :D
[22:16] <robottidude> :D
[22:16] <nothingman> reboot, reinstall?
[22:16] <nothingman> not possible?
[22:16] <robottidude> can I globally new keyboard layout? for my system? for that keyboard?
[22:17] <ogra> well, try the xkbmap or setxkbmap way
[22:17] <robottidude> does xkbmap work also on framebuffer console and wayland?
[22:17] <sarnold> no and unknown
[22:17] <sarnold> well, someone knows, I don't know ;( heh
[22:18] <Bert> Hi guys, I'm running 18.04 which is afaik still supported until april 2023, however I'm already getting "The following security updates require Ubuntu Pro with 'esm-apps' enabled:". Did I miss something and was the EOL date moved up?
[22:19] <sarnold> Bert: missed something, yeah, but not eol; we're now offering securiity updates for universe packages, too
[22:19] <ogra> robottidude, yu can also first try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[22:19] <sarnold> https://ubuntu.com/pro has some more details
[22:19] <sarnold> ogra: OH!
[22:19] <ogra> and hope that you find a layout that matches your kbd somehow
[22:19] <sarnold> ogra: nice idea. I'm not sure what I'd recommend once running, but that's a good start :)
[22:20] <ogra> well, it comes up wih 100 layouts or so
[22:20] <ogra> but it is like gambling to find one that works i guess
[22:21] <robottidude> https://cdn-a.verkkokauppa.com/files/608fc/ee13c/bfb64/7757f/19d3.pdf <-- I did find manual.
[22:21] <Bert> sarnold: oh ok, so this is marketing injection into apt? :/
[22:22] <ogra> Bert, it is canonical security team now maintaining 23000 packages in universe ... which did not happen until last week
[22:22] <sarnold> Bert: more or less; not everybody reads UWN or ubuntu blogs
[22:23] <Bert> I see, just feels a bit scummy to be honest. The way it's phrased looks more like you're missing out on something that's now been turned into a paid service, instead of something being added (even though it seems to be the latter)
[22:23] <robottidude> ogra, I am little bit sceptic. I did try most finnish layouts.
[22:23] <robottidude> I think there is just something nasty with this keyboard
[22:23] <ogra> robottidude, well, the first page is for the model
[22:24] <ogra> i meant you should play with the different models and find one that is close to yours
[22:24] <ravage> Bert: that discussion already happened in #ubuntu-discuss and I'm sure not for the last time
[22:24] <ravage> But there is where it should stay :)
[22:25] <Bert> ravage: I have nothing more to discuss, no worries, I was just honestly thinking I basically lost support due to EOL 3 months earlier than expected :P
[22:25] <ravage> Ok. You did not lose anything:)
[22:25] <Bert> I'll disable the ESM stuff and get on with things :)
[22:25] <ogra> Bert, well, where else would you expect security updates to be shown if not in apt 🙂
[22:25] <sarnold> Bert: nope! :) just that you could be getting a bunch more security updates with a few commands
[22:25] <ogra> ... for free ...
[22:26] <Bert> I use EOL as a reason to force myself to upgrade
[22:26] <Bert> otherwise I would still be on 14.04
[22:26] <Bert> I miss 14.04 totem though :(
[22:26] <sarnold> lol, I know how that goes
[22:26] <sarnold> Release:        16.04
[22:26] <sarnold> irssi host ..
[22:26] <sarnold> robottidude: well dang, I was hoping that manual would be twice as long. instead, it's in two languages!
[22:26] <ravage> And for my fellow volunteers there is !ubuntupro now too. Tom approved it :)
[22:27] <sarnold> robottidude: I can't read either one! but it doesn't look like it has answers :(
[22:27] <Bert> !ubuntupro
[22:27] <robottidude> sarnold, I suppose that firmware is just broken with this keyboard on linux.
[22:28] <robottidude> something is fishy with this keyboard.
[22:28] <robottidude> Bus 001 Device 006: ID 05ac:024f Apple, Inc. Aluminium Keyboard (ANSI)
[22:28] <robottidude> like this
[22:28] <robottidude> :D
[22:28] <sarnold> lol
[22:29] <nothingman> sarnold: tehat leteznek meg kockak akik folyamat gep elott ulnek :D
[22:29] <sarnold> buuuuuut maybe that's a hint on how to try to fix it? maybe select a finnish *apple* keyboard?
[22:29] <emz229> not to totally derail the conversation but does anyone know if the "BindsTo" property in a systemd service can have an XOR operation?
[22:29] <ogra> full encryption !
[22:29] <robottidude> is there possiblity that linux does have different layout because it believes it is apple keyboard?
[22:29] <robottidude> and it is broken because of that?
[22:29] <sarnold> nothingman: I *also* don't speak hungarian (but it's a nice place to visit :)
[22:30] <ravage> full bit encryption!
[22:30] <robottidude> sarnold, I did try that also. no difference
[22:30] <sarnold> robottidude: yeah, I use an apple aluminum keyboard on a server system somewhere, and when it was new it was very very annoying
[22:30] <ogra> robottidude, it is likely broken because the kernel detects it wrongly, yes
[22:30] <nothingman> oh, i just see whois you logged in from budapest.
[22:31] <robottidude> ogra, can I just fake this device?
[22:31] <ogra> i dont think so, since the kernel will likely not know your device at all
[22:31] <robottidude> hid                   151552  5 usbhid,hid_apple,hid_generic,hid_logitech_dj,hid_logitech_hidpp
[22:31] <robottidude> hid_apple
[22:32] <ogra> the issue is "ID 05ac:024f" ...
[22:32] <ogra> that is what yur kbd reports to the kernel
[22:32] <robottidude> damn
[22:32] <sarnold> nothingman: weird. This is a VM in us-west-1 or us-west-2, I forget..
[22:32] <ogra> and the kernel has that ID mapped to apple kbds
[22:32] <Bert> ogra sarnold: thx for your help guys! good luck with many people asking this same question, and in case you are going: have fun at FOSDEM :)
[22:33] <ogra> i wont 😞
[22:33] <sarnold> bye Bert :)
[22:33] <ravage> Why not ogra?
[22:33] <sarnold> alas, I've never even seen fosdem :(
[22:33] <ogra> ravage, business sprint ... i'll be in denmark
[22:33] <robottidude> would it help if blacklist that apple hid module?
[22:33] <robottidude> If I
[22:33] <ravage> I will be there Friday evening in case someone needs a beer buddy
[22:33] <M9nx[m]> In layout **PT** the **Keyboard Shortcut** for "**€**" is "**Altgr + E**".
[22:33] <M9nx[m]> Anyone knows what's the keyboard shortcut in US layout?
[22:33] <M9nx[m]> Tried many ways as recommended in google searches but so far just can't get it to work!
[22:34] <ravage> :( ogra
[22:34] <Bert> sarnold ogra: I live in Brussels, so I'm cheating :P
[22:34] <ogra> Bert, hah !
[22:34] <ravage> See you there then Bert
[22:34] <ogra> M9nx[m], i suspect american keyboards simply dont have a € key ..
[22:34] <robottidude> ogra, should I blacklist that apple_hid module?
[22:34] <robottidude> it might fix it?
[22:34] <Bert> ravage: will be hard to find each other with 5-6k people participating xD
[22:35] <ogra> robottidude, you can try
[22:35] <ravage> Ping me here ;)
[22:35] <sarnold> Bert: oo you've reminded me of frites and beer :) enjoy :)
[22:36]  * ogra has some delirium tremens "non memories" of brussels and fosdem 🙂
[22:36] <FKAShinobi> do you really need to add x-gvfs-show to show a file system in Gnome files?  / does not have it specified, but I can view it in Gnome Files.
[22:36] <M9nx[m]> ogra: Yes. But there must be a way to map it!
[22:36] <M9nx[m]> I can do it with the layout in Portuguese!
[22:36] <M9nx[m]> It's algr + E
[22:37] <M9nx[m]> s/algr/altgr/
[22:37] <sarnold> you can use xmodmap to add new bindings if you wish; it might be possible to configure deadkeys to let you type it, I never understood that one
[22:37] <ogra> M9nx[m], like in german (or oher european kbds) ... you might need a compose key to write it on a US ANSI kbd
[22:38] <ogra> .oO( seems it is keyboard day today )
[22:38] <M9nx[m]> ogra: 😂
[22:38] <M9nx[m]> ogra: let me google compose key 😁
[22:40] <ravage> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComposeKey
[22:40] <ravage> The instructions for 20.04 should still work for 22.04
[22:41] <M9nx[m]> ravage: i ma checking for kde plasma
[22:41] <M9nx[m]> > <@ravage:libera.chat> The instructions for 20.04 should still work for 22.04
[22:41] <M9nx[m]>  * i ma checking for kde plasma
[22:41] <M9nx[m]> https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/zmesc1/completely_lost_with_eurosign_in_us_layout/
[22:42] <robottidude> ogra, damn. now keyboard dont work on boot :D
[22:42] <ravage> I think my last kubuntu release was 16.04 or so. Sorry :)
[22:42] <robottidude> but it works fine with bluetooth
[22:42] <robottidude> cursor keys works fine
[22:42] <robottidude> but I think it is because that driver :D
[22:42] <ogra> oh, so now they work ?
[22:43] <robottidude> keyboard does not work with usb now
[22:43] <robottidude> with module blaclistted
[22:43] <robottidude> blacklisted
[22:43] <ogra> yeah
[22:43] <ogra> did the cursor keys work with bluetooth before ?
[22:43] <M9nx[m]> ravage: it comes down to kde version. but should be similar...
[22:44] <robottidude> ogra, I am not sure anymore.
[22:45] <robottidude> ogra, but this keyboard is absolutely badly designed
[22:46] <M9nx[m]> ravage: ogra... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/4d6c2b28b28fcacf514181cbda62a24ce5842b52>)
[22:46] <M9nx[m]>  * ravage: ogra... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/ae364c815f572fb65c46b50e42dead6c0ed03a6f>)
[22:46] <ogra> robottidude, i have a fre vortex pok3r 60% ones that work really well
[22:47] <ogra> *few
[22:47] <robottidude> ogra, is there anyway to load some other usb hid module for this device?
[22:47] <robottidude> any way
[22:47] <ogra> i doubt it since everything will be tied to the USB ID
[22:48] <ogra> and that reports as apple
[22:48] <robottidude> I am going to visit tomorrow that store and ask them what they are thinking :D
[22:48] <robottidude> it is their own brand
[22:48] <robottidude> :D
[22:48] <ogra> perhaps they can actually help you then
[22:49] <ogra> if they designed it ...
[22:49] <nothingman> i just ask... anybody know what does the fix say?
[22:49] <robottidude> I think they just ordered this from china with some asked specs and manufacturer did make many stupid shortcuts.
[22:50] <robottidude> and they printed stores own branding.
[22:51] <robottidude> I am totally mad because of this keyboard :D
[22:54] <robottidude> could I make this work with some other usb hid or is there any way to hack it work with different driver?
[22:54] <nothingman> robottidude: use mouse for everything. put your kexboard to trash
[22:54] <ogra> well, use it with bluetooth ...
[22:55] <robottidude> nothingman, great idea.
[22:55] <robottidude> :))
[22:55] <nothingman> yes i know :D
[22:57] <nothingman> robottidude: you tried reconfigure?
[22:58] <nothingman> locales
[22:58] <nothingman> dpkg-reconfigure locales
[22:59] <ogra> nothingman, what would that help ?
[23:00] <ogra> sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[23:00] <ogra> that is what might help ... if he finds a atching kbd in the ist
[23:00] <ogra> *list
[23:00] <ogra> *matching
[23:01] <nothingman> thats generate local settings, maybe fix the problem
[23:01] <ogra> that wont change the keyboard mapping
[23:01] <ogra> only the system language
[23:02] <nothingman> okay. i agree.
[23:04] <nothingman> and what are you see on your /etc/default/keyboard ?
[23:18] <robottidude> moi
[23:19] <robottidude> actually. Can I really map those hardware keys to different mappings?
[23:21] <robottidude> does it mean that I cannot use anymore my end and other keys on my keyboard
[23:24] <robottidude> XKBMODEL="pc105"
[23:24] <robottidude> XKBLAYOUT="fi"
[23:24] <robottidude> XKBVARIANT=""
[23:24] <robottidude> XKBOPTIONS=""
[23:24] <robottidude> BACKSPACE="guess"
[23:44] <mint> hello, what can I do? https://i.postimg.cc/C1kf3wqz/SSD.png
[23:46] <bankai_> use words
[23:46] <neilbags> Hi, I'm on Xubuntu 22.10. I installed plex-desktop from the snap store, but my screen turns off while watching a movie. Not an issue with Chrome or VLC, which were installed via apt, so guessing its a snap problem. Can anyone help me debug this?
[23:49] <mint> I am trying to install linux, I get this error: "Partition(s) 2, 4 on /dev/sda have been written, but we have been unable to inform the kernel of the change, probably because it/they are in use. As a result, the old partition(s) will remain in use. You should reboot now before making further changes." What can I do, I already tried reboot...?
[23:50] <leftyfb> mint: what version of linux are you trying to install?
[23:51] <mint> Linux Mint 21.1 "Vera" Cinnamon Edition
[23:51] <leftyfb> !mint | mint
[23:52] <mint> I did, nobody can help me out
[23:52] <leftyfb> mint: We cannot help with installing Linux Mint here.