| gartral | found a fix, run/add to ~/.profile the line: export DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS="unix:path=$XDG_RUNTIME_DIR/bus" | 00:07 |
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| Umeaboy | Hi! Is there anyone here that can push updates to a certain pypi project ? | 01:17 |
| Umeaboy | https://pypi.org/project/apt/ is very out of date. | 01:17 |
| Umeaboy | There is newer source here for it: https://salsa.debian.org/apt-team/python-apt | 01:18 |
| Umeaboy | If you try to build snapcraft in any other distro by trying to use pip install -r requirements.txt it fails due to the package called apt. | 01:19 |
| Umeaboy | So that needs to be resolved ASAP. | 01:20 |
| arraybolt3 | Umeaboy: Your best bet may be to request that the Debian maintainers do so if they have the ability to. | 01:28 |
| arraybolt3 | Though, actually, juliank might be able to do that. | 01:28 |
| arraybolt3 | Umeaboy: Would you mind repeating your request in #ubuntu-devel, and pinging a uesr named "juliank" about it? They may have the privileges to do that. | 01:29 |
| Umeaboy | OK. | 01:29 |
| Umeaboy | Will do. | 01:29 |
| TORNYCORE | hello | 01:56 |
| sarnold | hi | 01:58 |
| megumi2 | hi. is ubuntu now charging for some package upgrades? | 02:04 |
| sarnold | it depends how many computers you've got; there are two free tiers, but if you've got more machines than that you can buy licenses as needed https://ubuntu.com/pricing/pro | 02:06 |
| megumi2 | What is the FSF's position on this? | 02:09 |
| zykotick9 | LOL | 02:09 |
| arraybolt3 | megumi2: There are a bunch of packages that usually don't get updates at all (or only rarely), that Ubuntu Pro now gives updates for. It's a *lot* of extra work, and even if software is free, work isn't. | 02:10 |
| megumi2 | I see. Ok, I'll have nothing to do with this and will be converting all my Linux hosts to other operating systems. Ciao! | 02:11 |
| arraybolt3 | Heh. And when you find out that they just don't offer those tons of extra updates *at all*, maybe you'll come back. :) | 02:11 |
| leftyfb | um | 02:44 |
| leftyfb | why didn't anyone mention Ubuntu doesn't charge for package updates but only charges for ESM beyond type typical 5 years? | 02:45 |
| sarnold | leftyfb: I mentioned that there are two free tiers -- and pro provides universe security updates from day zero, you don't have to wait five years | 02:47 |
| zykotick9 | leftyfb: ah thanks. I'm actually gonna share your quote to #fsf, cause I'd pastebin'd the entire old exchange. Good to know, thanks. | 02:59 |
| sarnold | FSF never said software had to be gratis. They understand that people make a living from selling support. FSF is big on software being Libre, instead. | 03:01 |
| leftyfb | FSF is extremism, period | 03:05 |
| sarnold | sure, there's a lot about ubuntu they wouldn't care for | 03:05 |
| sarnold | but "charging money for support" is probably not the highest concern | 03:06 |
| zykotick9 | leftyfb: 100% agree BTW. Though I have some friends in that camp. | 03:08 |
| zykotick9 | sarnold: A serious free software guy, who I respect a lot, directed me to https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html | 03:09 |
| leftyfb | zykotick9: feel free to continue the discussion in #ubuntu-offtopic | 03:10 |
| sarnold | zykotick9: nice, such a pity megumi2 didn't stick around to see it :) | 03:10 |
| leftyfb | I already messaged them | 03:10 |
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| elias_a | leftyfb: Bugger off. Period. | 09:43 |
| ice9 | why bluetooth headsets cannot be used as stereo for calls too on Linux? it's too annoying to switch between profiles for every use | 10:21 |
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| Ders | hello | 12:33 |
| Ders | Warning: apt-key is deprecated. Manage keyring files in trusted.gpg.d instead (see apt-key(8)). | 12:33 |
| Ders | gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. | 12:33 |
| Ders | how can we fix this? | 12:34 |
| ogra | Ders, it tells you in the message ? | 12:37 |
| Ders | yes | 12:38 |
| Ders | when i try to do yarn install | 12:38 |
| ogra | well, did you read it ? | 12:38 |
| ogra | (there is a tutorial in it) | 12:38 |
| ogra | look for the "DEPRECATION" section ... | 12:38 |
| pickanick | Hi is there a way to apt install emacs 28 in Ubuntu 22.04? | 12:43 |
| EriC^^ | pickanick: it looks like snap has an emacs 28 version | 12:44 |
| ogra | yeah, only via snap | 12:44 |
| pickanick | oh snap | 12:44 |
| ogra | (maintained by a member of the ubuntu security team) | 12:45 |
| ogra | ... so should be good quality | 12:46 |
| pickanick | who's that? | 12:47 |
| ogra | snap info emacs .... | 12:47 |
| ogra | (see the publisher entry, people with yellow start are well known verified maintainers that have proved good quality to get that star) | 12:48 |
| ogra | *yellow star | 12:48 |
| pickanick | The star system is ruled by ubuntu or by snapcraft ? | 12:50 |
| ogra | by snapcraft, you have to apply in public on forum.snapcraft.io and people can vote on the qualit of the snaps you did in the past | 12:51 |
| ogra | if you get enugh votes and no denials, you get the star | 12:51 |
| ogra | https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/star-developers/30714 | 12:53 |
| Nitrigaur | Is there a way to script the initial installation of Ubuntu so that I don't have to wait until a certain stage has been finished before issuing custom commands? | 12:59 |
| Nitrigaur | I'm trying to fully script https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019 | 12:59 |
| BluesKaj | Hi all | 13:09 |
| MrSassyPants | Why is Dolphin constantly locking up? | 13:18 |
| MrSassyPants | it uses 100% cpu and doesn't respond | 13:19 |
| Nitrigaur | MrSassyPants, maybe there is a plugin hard at work. Perhaps you could log associated process activity? You can see in the /proc path which files a process has opened. Maybe that can give you a clue to what' s happening? | 13:23 |
| MrSassyPants | which /proc/pid/ subpath would that be? | 13:24 |
| MrSassyPants | I'm guessing it's trying to access some networking resource that it can't reach | 13:25 |
| MrSassyPants | the problem is how unreliably it happens | 13:25 |
| Nitrigaur | MrSassyPants, the fd subdir should list all opened files per process. | 13:33 |
| MrSassyPants | the only interesting part is that .xsession-errors is opened | 13:34 |
| Nitrigaur | MrSassyPants, ah, and did you look into that file? | 13:34 |
| MrSassyPants | spam of X Error of failed request: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) | 13:35 |
| Nitrigaur | MrSassyPants, you say it's spam, but is any process associated with those error lines? | 13:38 |
| MrSassyPants | It doesn't say so | 13:38 |
| MrSassyPants | I have NWN open | 13:38 |
| MrSassyPants | which may cause it | 13:39 |
| Nitrigaur | MrSassyPants, and NWN stands for? | 13:39 |
| MrSassyPants | Neverwinter Nights | 13:39 |
| MrSassyPants | i.e. an ancient game | 13:39 |
| MrSassyPants | ok, closed the game | 13:39 |
| Nitrigaur | MrSassyPants, I know that game, played it for many hours. Are you running it through wine? | 13:39 |
| MrSassyPants | and I get 1 of those errors each time I open/close dolphin | 13:39 |
| MrSassyPants | No, native EE version on steam | 13:40 |
| MrSassyPants | ... and now X failed which caused the plasma bar to shut down and restart | 13:40 |
| Nitrigaur | MrSassyPants, I see... What X-server are you running? Xorg, or Wayland? | 13:40 |
| MrSassyPants | command bar? control bar? forgot what it's called | 13:41 |
| MrSassyPants | whichever comes with kubuntu | 13:41 |
| Nitrigaur | MrSassyPants, it should be visible in your process list | 13:41 |
| Nitrigaur | Just try pgrep | 13:41 |
| MrSassyPants | it's xorg | 13:41 |
| Nitrigaur | MrSassyPants, what version of Kubuntu are you running? | 13:42 |
| MrSassyPants | 22.04 | 13:42 |
| MrSassyPants | so yeah it might be an xorg related problem rather than a dolphin problem | 13:43 |
| MrSassyPants | but it only seems to be dolphin what is locking up periodically | 13:43 |
| Nitrigaur | MrSassyPants, perhaps you can start Dolphin in a debug mode and look through the logs? Btw, I don't have intimate knowledge of Dolphin, since I mainly use Gnnome | 13:52 |
| MrSassyPants | how do you start dolphin in debug mode? | 13:53 |
| Nitrigaur | MrSassyPants, rtfm | 13:53 |
| MrSassyPants | No manual entry for dolphin | 13:53 |
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| Nitrigaur | MrSassyPants, perhaps on the Kubuntu forums/ channel? | 13:54 |
| ogra | yeah, he people in #kubuntu are likely more familiar with dolphin | 14:02 |
| ogra | *the | 14:02 |
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| Nitrigaur | MrSassyPants, if you know the process ID of Dolphin, you can use fswatch (after installing it) to monitor the fd subdir of that process in /proc | 14:11 |
| Nitrigaur | That way, you can see what files are accessed by Dolphin when the processor spikes. To avoid forks of Dolphin, run it with the --nofork parameter | 14:12 |
| Nitrigaur | Is there a way to automate the Ubuntu installer in such a way that you can execute custom commands after a specific phase of the installer has finished? | 14:14 |
| Nitrigaur | The "late-commands" that the autonistaller provides doesn't offer enough control in my case. | 14:16 |
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| itai | hello | 15:23 |
| itai | how to copy the firefox profile from one machine to another? I thoguht it is enough to copy the profile directory. | 15:30 |
| BluesKaj | itai: just use sync in FF if you have a FF acct | 15:32 |
| itai | BluesKaj: thanks. I do not have an account. sync would be the best option. | 15:32 |
| BluesKaj | yup | 15:33 |
| itai | is there a way of copying the profile directory? firefox complains about version issues. | 15:33 |
| itai | I care about authentication passwords and sessions | 15:35 |
| itai | can we just copy firefox sessions, passwords, auth data from one profile to another (2 different computers)? | 15:42 |
| itai | without syn | 15:42 |
| itai | without sync | 15:42 |
| ogra | itai, take a look at "snap help save" ... should be possible to use it with the firsefox snap to then restore it on another machine (see "snap help" for the other snap commands around user data snapshots) | 15:50 |
| ogra | *firefox | 15:51 |
| BluesKaj | I'm not using the FF snap version so I forgot about the snap save option | 15:52 |
| tanul1989 | Hello, | 16:17 |
| tanul1989 | We have Azure kubernetes with nodes of ubuntu 22.04.1 jammy jelly fish OS... The nodes are consuming lot of memory can anyone suggest the procedure troubleshoot this memory consumption in ubuntu.. Thank you | 16:17 |
| tanul1989 | The output of free -m is | 16:18 |
| tanul1989 | total used free shared buff/cache available | 16:18 |
| tanul1989 | Mem: 3925 1258 245 6 2421 2370 | 16:18 |
| tanul1989 | Swap: 0 0 0 | 16:18 |
| ogra | tanul1989, i'd install htop and look at (sort by) the RES value ... that pretty much represents physical memory in use by an app | 16:19 |
| ogra | (htop is a bit more user friendly to read than top itself) | 16:19 |
| tanul1989 | actually its the manage kubernetes.. Installing htop is a problem | 16:19 |
| tanul1989 | ogra I can login to node and check the only. Installing any other app is a bit risky | 16:20 |
| ogra | well, top might be pre-installed ... just less easy to read ... | 16:21 |
| tanul1989 | hey htop is also there I just checked | 16:21 |
| ogra | hah | 16:21 |
| tanul1989 | @ogra | 16:21 |
| tanul1989 | What should I check | 16:21 |
| ogra | RES | 16:21 |
| ogra | sort by RES, then yu see the biggest rm cnsumers | 16:22 |
| ogra | *consumers | 16:22 |
| tanul1989 | ogra Ok I pressed shift+M key.. and this is coming.. at the top.. https://github.com/smartaquarius10/AnsiblePlaybooks/blob/master/image.png | 16:28 |
| tanul1989 | could you please suggest the issue here.. | 16:29 |
| ogra | looks like some mon👋dotnet/windows based thing that is shoveling data around ... | 16:29 |
| ogra | bah, srry for the rogue emoji plugin of my IRC client | 16:30 |
| ogra | *mono,dotnet,windows | 16:30 |
| tanul1989 | means.. sorry didn't get | 16:30 |
| ogra | well, *you* should know what you are running there 🙂 | 16:30 |
| ogra | some dotnet app you are running seems to eat your ram by moving data around | 16:31 |
| ogra | ... or by converting data | 16:32 |
| tanul1989 | Oh ok.. this is the pod we are running in kubernetes.. We have only one pod.. of dotnet datamigration.dll | 16:32 |
| ogra | (or importing ... no idea) | 16:32 |
| tanul1989 | ogra I dont know why so many processes of the same | 16:32 |
| ogra | thats a htop design issue, it shows all runing threads by default | 16:32 |
| ogra | you can turn that off in the display settings of htop | 16:33 |
| ogra | (F2 -> display options -> hide userland process threads) | 16:33 |
| tanul1989 | Thanks.. We have total 8 nodes.. I am checking on another node. Here this process is the one taking maximum memory https://github.com/smartaquarius10/AnsiblePlaybooks/blob/master/image.png | 16:36 |
| tanul1989 | free-m | 16:37 |
| tanul1989 | total used free shared buff/cache available | 16:37 |
| tanul1989 | Mem: 3925 1377 161 6 2386 2248 | 16:38 |
| tanul1989 | Swap: 0 0 0 | 16:38 |
| ogra | tanul1989, well, that is the logging process ... perhaps it is time to take a look at your log with journalctl ... your worker process might do some extensive logging or some such | 16:38 |
| tanul1989 | Till Azure kubernetes 1.24.9 version, everything was working fine... The moment we upgraded to 1.25.2 version. Ubuntu Nodes started facing extreme memory pressure | 16:40 |
| ogra | well, i'm not a k8s user, not sure what could be the issue ... perhaps the people in #ubuntu-server know more (they are most likely more familiar with cloud stuff) | 16:41 |
| tanul1989 | ok.. Will ask in that channel. Thank you so much.. I don't know how to troubleshoot the exact problem behind such extreme pressure on nodes. Its showing 140% consumption memory | 16:44 |
| ogra | yeah, that is definitely weird | 16:44 |
| digz | fuck | 16:51 |
| Nitrigaur | Is there a way to automate the Ubuntu installer in such a way that you can execute custom commands after a specific phase of the installer has finished? | 16:52 |
| Nitrigaur | The "late-commands" that the autonistaller provides doesn't offer enough control in my case. | 16:52 |
| jhutchins | Nitrigaur: What commands are you trying to issue? | 16:54 |
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| Nitrigaur | jhutchins, I want to create encrypted LUKS volumes for the / and /home mountpoints (LUKS1 and LUKS2 respectively) as described in: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019 | 16:56 |
| tanul1989 | ogra Let see I have asked there.. This is the situation of every node | 16:56 |
| tanul1989 | 137% | 16:56 |
| tanul1989 | 142% | 16:56 |
| tanul1989 | 133% | 16:56 |
| tanul1989 | 141% | 16:56 |
| tanul1989 | 136% | 16:56 |
| tanul1989 | 137%, 141%, 133%, 142%, 141%, 136%, 144%, 139% | 16:58 |
| leftyfb | !paste | tanul1989 | 17:02 |
| ubottu | tanul1989: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://dpaste.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 17:02 |
| Nitrigaur | jhutchins, The reason for this is to be able to create a laptop installer that will provide an security-team acceptable solution for company laptops. The result of this is that I can offer my colleagues a different choice for installed OS next to Windows and MacOSX. | 17:07 |
| leftyfb | Nitrigaur: I would look into utilizing something like ansible post-install | 17:08 |
| Nitrigaur | leftyfb, I was also looking at ansible for a solution, but I could not find suitable modules that would enable me to have the bootloader encrypted as well. The desirable situation would be to get an input at turning on the computer in order to reach the grub loader and chain-load any OS after that. | 17:11 |
| leftyfb | Nitrigaur: you'll want to encrypt the boot partition at install, not post-install | 17:12 |
| Nitrigaur | leftyfb, indeed. | 17:12 |
| Nitrigaur | leftyfb, if at all possible *without human intervention* during the install process ofter kick off. | 17:13 |
| Nitrigaur | ofter -> after ^ | 17:13 |
| leftyfb | Nitrigaur: https://askubuntu.com/a/1271624 | 17:15 |
| Nitrigaur | leftyb, Thank you so much!, this might cover what I want. I'll test this shortly | 17:16 |
| leftyfb | Nitrigaur: you should be able to do and install manually the way you want, and then use the files in /var/log/installer to automate subsequent installs | 17:17 |
| leftyfb | and/an | 17:17 |
| Nitrigaur | leftyb, I have to cook now, thanks again and have a nice weekend! | 17:17 |
| blackop | hi | 18:04 |
| blackop | i am trying to insall ubuntu 22.10 on a macbook pro 2019 - intel i5 x64 machine | 18:04 |
| blackop | i could boot from bootable micro sd card but now it is delaying at ubuntu install/boot screen | 18:05 |
| blackop | at ubuntu logo | 18:05 |
| blackop | circle is turning and turning | 18:05 |
| theorem | blackop: press "esc" to see the boot messages | 18:09 |
| theorem | blackop: could be that the disk is scanning for the first time (fsck) | 18:10 |
| blackop | theorem: i had to wait longer than i expected | 18:12 |
| blackop | it later got on to the installation screen | 18:12 |
| blackop | but now i have another problem: i cant use keyboard/mouse | 18:12 |
| blackop | do i need unofficial ISO with T2 support as mentioned here? https://wiki.t2linux.org/guides/preinstall/ | 18:15 |
| ghvggh | hi | 18:16 |
| jhutchins | blackop: Looks like t2linux is on Discord, not IRC. | 18:22 |
| jhutchins | blackop: Yeah, could be an fsck. | 18:22 |
| evit1 | Anyone familiar with how Ubuntu Pro will work with Ubuntu Universe packages? Will the security packages eventually be available to the regular LTS version at some point? | 18:24 |
| blackop | jhutchins: my question was if i need unofficial t2 iso | 18:25 |
| blackop | or can i handle those driver issues with official ubuntu? | 18:25 |
| blackop | thanks for your great help as usual | 18:31 |
| crankharder | following this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates - I | 19:04 |
| crankharder | I ran, sudo dpkg-reconfigure --priority=low unattended-upgrades, selected yes, verified the contents of /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades and for funsies, rebooted. I did this weeks ago. Today I log in and see "29 updates can be applied immediately" | 19:05 |
| crankharder | I'd expect to not see that message, see a lower number, or see that number change (but typically be a small number) all that might indicate updates are being applied and at any given time that's maybe a handful of updates that would be applied later that night. | 19:06 |
| crankharder | Is that a bad assumption or am I doing something wrong? | 19:06 |
| Delemas | Things can get in the road of that running. I would try and run the process manually to see it is configured properly. | 19:07 |
| crankharder | how do I run unattended upgrades manually? | 19:10 |
| crankharder | apt-get update/upgrade work | 19:11 |
| tomreyn | crankharder: --dry-run --debug | 19:15 |
| tomreyn | (see man page) | 19:15 |
| crankharder | "No packages found that can be upgraded unattended and no pending auto-removals" | 19:17 |
| crankharder | I promise you I can type "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y upgrade" and walk away from the computer and they'll install themselves "unattendedly" :) | 19:17 |
| crankharder | joking aside... i guess, what makes this process different? | 19:17 |
| crankharder | why does it think these 29 packages can't be installed without me? | 19:18 |
| Delemas | Unattended may be using different repositories perhaps? | 19:18 |
| crankharder | ^^ that'd be a severe security thing, no? | 19:18 |
| tomreyn | crankharder: your unattended-upgrades configuration may not consider the same apt repositories as a normal upgrade would | 19:18 |
| crankharder | random process runs and installs packages from elsewhere | 19:18 |
| Delemas | you have to configure it. | 19:19 |
| tomreyn | see Allowed-Origins on the very top of /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades | 19:20 |
| crankharder | got it - it's only auto installing security updates. not normal updates | 19:22 |
| crankharder | that seems to be the difference | 19:22 |
| wizard1 | hi | 19:29 |
| wizard1 | hi | 19:30 |
| wizard1 | is there anybody | 19:30 |
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| wurzel | https://open.spotify.com/artist/11kLGHaCxLcdMbIfadQWOy?si=v0P-D1R0S0GPq6soAEbEbA | 19:50 |
| wurzel | hallo | 19:50 |
| arraybolt3 | wurzel: Random links without explanation are generally considered spammy, especially when you post them in multiple channels. | 19:52 |
| wurzel | Sorry.. I want listen your my music project. I am friend | 19:58 |
| pconst167 | hi | 20:00 |
| pconst167 | why is gnome so good? | 20:00 |
| pconst167 | !gnome | 20:01 |
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| pconst167 | !sudo apt-get install gnome-shell | 20:01 |
| pconst167 | !sudo | 20:02 |
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| beastwick | Hello! Trying to understand Ubuntu package cadence. Interrim releases I am guessing branch off of Debian sid. Then those are worked on for 9 months or so. However than doesn't align with the LTS releases. Does the work done in the interrim releases eventually become the next LTS? | 21:18 |
| beastwick | and also, can the work against the interrims be compared to the QA that goes into Debian Testing? | 21:19 |
| beastwick | and also also, do package maintainers between debian and ubuntu do redundant work? If Ubuntu branches from Debian and does its own support, I feel two camps are doing the same work twice? | 21:22 |
| beastwick | :) | 21:22 |
| sarnold | beastwick: here's the release schedule for the next release https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/lunar-lobster-release-schedule/27284 | 21:23 |
| sarnold | beastwick: there's no marker on this thing about when exactly imports from debian unstable were turned on, but it'll be somewhere around early november | 21:24 |
| sarnold | beastwick: we stop the autoimports feb 23; between those two times we're just bringing in all the new unstable packages along the way | 21:24 |
| sarnold | beastwick: the different teams have their own roadmap items of things they want done, and plan out how to get them done, do transitions as needed, etc. as they find and fix things they'll either leave the fixes in ubuntu or push them to debian or upstream or whatever feels appropriate for the thing inquestion | 21:25 |
| sarnold | beastwick: part of the 'open' process is taking ubuntu deltas from previous releases and applying them to the imports -- where we've got changes, those packages don't automatically migrate from debian | 21:26 |
| sarnold | https://merges.ubuntu.com/ | 21:26 |
| sarnold | https://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html?showProposed=true&showMergeNeeded=true | 21:26 |
| sarnold | (there's three more like that one :) | 21:26 |
| sarnold | there's some duplication, yeah; I know it's happened before that people debug a problem in one release or the other and then find the same conclusion in the other's bugtracker, once they've figured out what exactly is wrong | 21:27 |
| ash_worksi | is there a package (or something) that makes it so that you can focus any region of a dialog (such as file selection dialog or ok/cancel prompt) with a shortcut key? | 21:28 |
| sarnold | security updates are probably the closest source of overlapping work, and while there's no direct coordination between the two teams all the time, there's a certain amount of checking each other's work, letting each know when we spot things the other have missed, etc | 21:28 |
| ash_worksi | like, <super>-f to overlay focusible controls (basically, anything where clicking would do something) | 21:30 |
| beastwick | sarnold thank you for all the info | 21:30 |
| beastwick | so in that vain, the sometimes overlapping work and communication between the two is one way Ubuntu gives back to Debian? | 21:32 |
| beastwick | vein* | 21:32 |
| beastwick | I guess they give to each other | 21:32 |
| beastwick | as I know some debian maintainers are also ubuntu maintainers | 21:32 |
| sarnold | yes, there's a fair amount of overlap there; some things are easier done in one place vs the other | 21:32 |
| sarnold | or only make sense in one place and not the other | 21:33 |
| sarnold | it feels very symbiotic to me but some of the debian developers disagree | 21:33 |
| MinusSeven | I'm having an issue with VMWare and Ubuntu where I have a shared folder setup using VMWare, but when I reboot ubuntu, it's not automatically mounted | 22:03 |
| MinusSeven | i have to run vmhgfs-fuse again | 22:03 |
| MinusSeven | it never did that before, but I set up a new virtual machine and it's happening now | 22:03 |
| ash_worksi | would my question fit more up the window-manager alley? | 22:06 |
| sarnold | ash_worksi: dunno, a window manager could focus a specific dialog pretty easy, but wouldn't help at all with selecting specific elements within the dialog | 22:06 |
| sarnold | ash_worksi: that's a bit more accessiblity I think, and that depends upon which widget set the dialog is programmed in | 22:06 |
| ash_worksi | sarnold: so, if such a thing did exist, it would be some application that leverages ubuntu's underlying accessibility settings? | 22:07 |
| sarnold | ash_worksi: that's my guess; I don't know accessibility world real well (I'm not very familiar with gui things) so I hoped someone else would have had an idea :( | 22:08 |
| ash_worksi | sarnold: you're the only one who has ideas :) | 22:09 |
| ash_worksi | in any event... there are 2 thoughts that I had which were affiliated with it, (1) does the application control what things are focusable by say, Alt+key? like when a dialog is presented to you and you see the 'O' in OK is underlined, you know you can use Alt-O to "select(?)" it. If I get an upload-form by hitting an upload link on firefox... that asks ubuntu to open up whatever native dialog | 22:12 |
| MinusSeven | I figured it out. Thanks for that magic help method called silence. Works every time | 22:12 |
| ash_worksi | application to handle that, right? | 22:12 |
| sarnold | MinusSeven :D | 22:13 |
| sarnold | MinusSeven: what was it? | 22:13 |
| sarnold | ash_worksi: yeah, typically applications can control what gets focus | 22:14 |
| MinusSeven | i just had to add vmhgfs-fuse into fstab | 22:14 |
| ash_worksi | so, in that case, it would be firefox which controls it? or something else? | 22:14 |
| sarnold | ash_worksi: mozilla uses this for something in firefox, when downloading, it'll disable a 'run' or 'save' button or something like that for two seconds, so you don't just accidentally hit it when typing in another application | 22:14 |
| MinusSeven | .host:/ /mnt/hgfs fuse.vmhgfs-fuse allow_other 0 0 | 22:14 |
| MinusSeven | just that | 22:14 |
| sarnold | MinusSeven: aha! nice | 22:14 |
| MinusSeven | apparently it should mount at boot, but it's a bug that's existed for a while | 22:14 |
| sarnold | not the easiest thing to discover, I'm a bit surprised the guest additions didn't provide a daemon or udev rules or something | 22:15 |
| ash_worksi | but but, the dialog itself is determined by firefox? it's not just asking ubuntu to xdg-open whatever rudimentary application handles file uploads? | 22:16 |
| MinusSeven | I just looked at some backups, and in fstab in my previous virtual machine I even put in a comment with the website to go to. | 22:16 |
| sarnold | ash_worksi: file *uploads* is a gtk dialog box, probably provided by a desktop portal or similar.. | 22:16 |
| sarnold | MinusSeven: *oh man* you even tried :) | 22:16 |
| MinusSeven | My bad memory makes me think there's another me sometimes | 22:16 |
| sarnold | MinusSeven: well, maybe having written it down there, once upon a time, is why you got it at all today :) | 22:17 |
| ash_worksi | (2) there's a program that draws a target on your screen which can move your mouse for you by arrow key (you move 1/2 regons at a time)... considering something like that exists, is it too far-fetched to think of an application tagging regions on your screen that are clickable? (like "hint-mode" of vimperator on google chrome) | 22:17 |
| MinusSeven | I need to use OneNote and keep proper notes | 22:17 |
| ash_worksi | sarnold: are all things that pop-up on my screen 'gtk dialog's ? | 22:17 |
| ash_worksi | like notifications or settings menus? | 22:18 |
| sarnold | ash_worksi: it depends upon what you've got installed | 22:18 |
| ash_worksi | in a default env | 22:18 |
| sarnold | ash_worksi: ubuntu does prefer a bunch of gtk-based gui things, so probably yes, but that's not guaranteed | 22:18 |
| ash_worksi | is there something that could extend gtk to hint everywhere? | 22:18 |
| sarnold | hmm, there's apparently a built in way to move the mouse pointer around, but it doesn't document warping the pointer via regions https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/mouse-mousekeys.html.en | 22:19 |
| sarnold | ash_worksi: check this out! https://github.com/rvaiya/warpd/ | 22:20 |
| ash_worksi | well, I know such a thing exists, but I don't remember what it's called. Your mouse starts in the middle of the screen and you can move it (for example) to the middle of the left-half by pressing the left-arrow. Then to the top quarter by pressing the up arrow, and so on... | 22:21 |
| ash_worksi | great to move vast distances early, but miopic movement becomes tedious | 22:21 |
| ash_worksi | sarnold: gridmode was what I was talking about... idk if that was the application, but yeah, very similar in concept | 22:23 |
| ash_worksi | in any event, moving the mouse is just making life hard on myself. if it could (somehow... pipedream?) detect clickable things then we'd be in business | 22:25 |
| n9sgg | wtf | 22:31 |
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