| pconst167 | my question is | 00:08 |
|---|---|---|
| pconst167 | why is GNOME so good? | 00:08 |
| pconst167 | what males GNOME | 00:10 |
| pconst167 | the greatest desktop ever? | 00:10 |
| pconst167 | what makes GNOME | 00:10 |
| pconst167 | the dream of Richard Stallman | 00:10 |
| jhutchins | Yet another reason to avoid all things gnome. | 00:49 |
| Delemas | Anyone know how to "Try to install the GTK+ look and feel" on Ubuntu 22.04? I'm trying to figure out how to get the Qoppa PDF Viewer to scale better: https://kbpdfstudio.qoppa.com/4k-on-linux/ | 01:41 |
| oerheks | an article from 2016... | 01:44 |
| guiverc | GTK+ implies it's old; the current way of writing that is just GTK (the GIMP+GNOME history forgotten in history) | 01:45 |
| oerheks | and it talks about studio 2020.2.0.. is it still valid? | 01:46 |
| oerheks | wait.. commercial blob | 01:46 |
| Delemas | Yes unfortunately their support still keeps referencing it.... | 01:58 |
| Delemas | Ah ok so the article is as useless as I thought. | 01:58 |
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| amazoniantoad | Hey guys! I'm trying to set a javascript webpage to my wallpaper. Is this possible? | 03:06 |
| sarnold | that's an interesting question :) I know IE4 could do that in windows 95 or something.. :) | 03:10 |
| sarnold | I can't find a command line option to make firefox display in a specific window, I had hoped.. :( | 03:10 |
| amazoniantoad | D: | 03:11 |
| sarnold | man, I wish ffmpeg docs were easier.. | 03:16 |
| sarnold | I know mplayer can emit to the root window, but I don't know if it can capture | 03:16 |
| sarnold | I know ffmpeg can capture X11, but I do'nt know if you can capture specific windows or just regions of X11, and I can't figure out if you can display to the root window :( | 03:16 |
| sarnold | it feels like all the pieces are right here.. | 03:16 |
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| plt2 | To install ununtu net installer I am using amd professor where can I find the correct net installer | 05:06 |
| oerheks | mini iso is no more, factoid !mini is old | 05:07 |
| oerheks | !mini | 05:07 |
| ubottu | The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want. The installer is text based (rather than graphical as used on the Desktop DVD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD | 05:07 |
| oerheks | use the server installer | 05:07 |
| toddc | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD | 05:08 |
| toddc | mini is not a official iso any longer | 05:09 |
| oerheks | jups, there is an old version, unsupported, probably with bugs .. http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/installer-amd64/current/legacy-images/netboot/ | 05:09 |
| oerheks | so; server it is | 05:10 |
| plt2 | This one https://ubuntu.com/download/server | 05:10 |
| oerheks | have fun! | 05:11 |
| plt2 | That did not answer my question | 05:11 |
| oerheks | that is the right ubuntu site. | 05:11 |
| toddc | hhm I thought is was no longet but http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/netboot/ shows 22.04 but then it says use the server so oerheks is correct | 05:11 |
| oerheks | seriously, is it so hard? | 05:12 |
| plt2 | The server is kinda of over kill | 05:12 |
| plt2 | I will try the mini.iso | 05:12 |
| oerheks | there is no mini iso .. | 05:12 |
| plt2 | There is http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/installer-amd64/current/legacy-images/netboot/ | 05:13 |
| oerheks | i stated; unsupported, maybe with bugs. | 05:13 |
| plt2 | VMware Player unrecoverable error: (vcpu-1) | 05:19 |
| plt2 | Exception 0xc0000005 (access violation) has occurred. | 05:19 |
| plt2 | Nice | 05:20 |
| plt2 | A log file is available in "C:\Users\PLT.LAPTOP-PNQTGFJD\OneDrive\Documents\Virtual Machines\Ubuntu 64-bit\vmware.log". | 05:20 |
| oerheks | so; server it is | 05:21 |
| plt2 | Its failing to run | 05:22 |
| mei | hey, how do i know if snap on my server is useful? | 06:49 |
| mei | i mean, it's there since install, but i'm not aware is doing anything | 06:49 |
| mei | core20, lxd and snapd is the output of list | 06:49 |
| mei | based on this https://snapcraft.io/docs/installing-snapd it is pre-installed. but i think it's just there in case you need it... | 06:56 |
| mei | also it's probably doing more on desktop, this is a server | 06:57 |
| Eber | which flavor is better for the soul? | 07:57 |
| lotuspsychj3 | Eber: we dont take polls here Eber | 07:58 |
| lotuspsychj3 | !flavours | Eber choose one instead that fits with your lifestyle | 07:58 |
| ubottu | Eber choose one instead that fits with your lifestyle: Recognized Ubuntu flavors build on Ubuntu and provide a different user experience out of the box. They are supported both in #ubuntu and in their flavor channel. For a list, see https://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu-flavours | 07:58 |
| mei | any hint about snap? | 08:01 |
| mei | everyone has snap in ubuntu. do you know if it's needed? | 08:01 |
| mei | on server | 08:02 |
| mei | i would not bother on a normal machine, but it's a raspberry pi, so resources are very limited | 08:03 |
| mei | well i will try a simple 'systemctl disable snapd' and reboot | 08:08 |
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| alkisg | mei: I've removed snapd from my servers without any issues | 08:21 |
| SwedeMike | 1/win 31 | 08:25 |
| SwedeMike | oops | 08:25 |
| mei | alkisg: how? | 09:04 |
| mei | disable snapd and snapd.socket did not made it | 09:04 |
| alkisg | mei: sudo apt purge snapd | 09:04 |
| mei | oh | 09:04 |
| mei | it seems i also need to disable snapd.seeded | 09:05 |
| lotuspsychj3 | on -server lxd was a snap right? | 09:05 |
| mei | yes? | 09:05 |
| mei | i mean, i have lxd as snap package | 09:06 |
| lotuspsychj3 | ok just to make sure you're aware mei | 09:06 |
| mei | what could go wrong? | 09:06 |
| lotuspsychj3 | didnt test myself | 09:06 |
| mei | i hope this thing do not require lxd by default | 09:07 |
| mei | or it will fail to boot | 09:07 |
| lotuspsychj3 | if alkisg says it purged without any issues, im sure it will be good to go | 09:08 |
| mei | ahah it's still there... | 09:08 |
| mei | i did, systemctl disable snapd snapd.socket snapd.seeded | 09:08 |
| mei | but it's still loading | 09:08 |
| mei | i have some *.mount snap things and apparmor snap | 09:09 |
| mei | maybe i should really just purge the package... | 09:09 |
| alkisg | mei: are you using lxd on a raspberry pi?! | 09:12 |
| alkisg | I assume "no", so you can just go ahead and purge the package | 09:12 |
| mei | no, it was just conservative to only disable | 09:12 |
| mei | since if it's disabled, no resources are used | 09:12 |
| mei | and less issues when new ubuntu come out maybe | 09:13 |
| mei | and upgrade | 09:13 |
| mei | i think it's not running though... i don't see any snap thing in ps | 09:13 |
| alkisg | Well, snapd isn't yet an apt dependency, so we're not required to keep it installed | 09:14 |
| mei | well, i'm pretty sur that if you start to remove packages around | 09:14 |
| alkisg | If they end up requiring it, that'll show up in apt; and it'll be automatically pulled on updates or upgrades | 09:14 |
| alkisg | So it'll reinstall itself in that case | 09:14 |
| mei | it's not going great for ugprades | 09:14 |
| alkisg | Why do you say that? | 09:14 |
| mei | well lot of apt upgrades failing in the wild | 09:15 |
| alkisg | ...that doesn't mean anything at all | 09:15 |
| mei | anyway, i don't want snap to use cpu/ram | 09:15 |
| alkisg | Do you have a specific case where you removed a non-dependency, and something went wrong? | 09:15 |
| mei | so disabling was the first thought | 09:16 |
| mei | well, if snap is not a dependency why is even there? | 09:16 |
| mei | something pulled it | 09:16 |
| alkisg | No | 09:16 |
| alkisg | CDs are created from seeds, not from apt dependencies | 09:16 |
| mei | not sure about that | 09:16 |
| mei | there are meta packages and tasks | 09:17 |
| mei | that pull things | 09:17 |
| alkisg | https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ | 09:17 |
| alkisg | Have a read | 09:17 |
| mei | so? it's pulled by server task | 09:21 |
| mei | maybe what you are saying is that is not a dependency of some other package | 09:21 |
| mei | but just a root dependency of the task | 09:21 |
| alkisg | Tasks and seeds have no dependencies | 09:21 |
| alkisg | Deb packages have dependencies | 09:21 |
| mei | okay so it's like you manually install things on their own | 09:22 |
| alkisg | Right | 09:22 |
| alkisg | So if you install the lamp task, and you don't need mysql, you can remove it | 09:23 |
| mei | nice | 09:23 |
| mei | well it's not always true since | 09:24 |
| mei | https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/ubuntu-server | 09:24 |
| mei | there is a meta package installed | 09:24 |
| mei | but snapd is a green dependency | 09:24 |
| mei | try to remove tmux | 09:24 |
| mei | i feel like apt will complain | 09:24 |
| alkisg | mei: see the "legend" above | 09:25 |
| alkisg | green = recommends, red = depends | 09:25 |
| mei | so? | 09:25 |
| mei | proving my point | 09:25 |
| mei | you can not remove packages around | 09:25 |
| alkisg | apt won't complain if you remove a recommendation | 09:26 |
| mei | snap is a special case | 09:26 |
| alkisg | OK ok anyway my point wasn't to argue with you. If you need help, I can help, if we're just trying to convince each other, I'm not interested. | 09:26 |
| mei | lol | 09:26 |
| alkisg | All of this information is contained in the debian policy, if you want to read it | 09:27 |
| mei | not sure what are you talking about | 09:29 |
| mei | but if you remove a package and apt doesn't complain could be fine | 09:29 |
| alkisg | The debian policy explains what depends and recommends in debian packages mean, exactly | 09:30 |
| mei | seems a random information | 09:30 |
| alkisg | No, it's what us developers need to read when implementing our packages | 09:30 |
| alkisg | This chain of recommendations and dependencies is mandated by debian policy, it's not a random thing | 09:31 |
| mei | it's just not related to thid discussion | 09:31 |
| mei | s | 09:31 |
| tomreyn | mei: there's #ubuntu-discuss, in case you'd like to have a quality (i.e. after reading up) ubuntu discussion | 09:31 |
| alkisg | THEN apt will decide to complain or not, based on what we told it to do | 09:31 |
| alkisg | So as long as apt purge snapd doesn't make apt complain, this means that the snap developers didn't declare it in their debian/control file, which means they ensure us that things don't break | 09:32 |
| mei | tomreyn: thanks but there is no discussion | 09:36 |
| tomreyn | mei: the above looks like more than just a support question to me - which is what defines the limits of this channel, as you know. after all, it's not the first time that you're crossing this border and were told so. | 09:40 |
| mei | ??? | 09:42 |
| mei | where did i cross a border? | 09:42 |
| mei | you are confusing me with someone else | 09:44 |
| tomreyn | mei: i just re-read the whole conversation. maybe i was a bit harsh there, but i've previously seen you bringing up quite the meta discussions here, and this one *you* also labeled as a discussion. please let's not have those here. and if you would like to discuss this statement of mine, let's please do it in #ubuntu-ops, not here. | 09:49 |
| tomreyn | thank you. | 09:49 |
| mei | it's fine, no need | 09:50 |
| pconst167 | hi | 10:37 |
| pconst167 | gnome is draining all battery in suspend mode. is there a way to fix this? | 10:38 |
| tomreyn | pconst167: bios upgrade, HWE kernel, ubuntu upgrade, don't suspend. | 10:49 |
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| BluesKaj | Hi all | 13:30 |
| Guest65 | Hello, I installed ubuntu recently to try and play video games. Unfortunately I unplugged my head phones and the sound stopped working, even after I plugged them back in. | 13:37 |
| Guest65 | I had to reboot the computer, and after doing so the nvidia drivers are gone. Also I have to make the wifi driver every time I reboot the computer. | 13:37 |
| Guest65 | What would cause the nvidia drivers to be gone after a reboot? | 13:37 |
| Guest65 | How may I have the wifi function automatically? | 13:37 |
| Guest65 | In the event that I unplug my headphones again, how I may get the sound to work without rebooting my computer? | 13:37 |
| Guest65 | I clicked 'install third party drivers' during install, which made the nvidia driver appear. It did not work for the wifi however. | 13:37 |
| Guest65 | I am not sure what that flood means sorry am I not allowed to ask more than one question? | 13:40 |
| lotuspsychj3 | Guest65: its because your lines are too many at once | 13:41 |
| respawn | use dpaste for more than 3 lines | 13:41 |
| Guest65 | so I can write more than one question provided I do not use the carriage return, okay | 13:42 |
| Guest65 | so why has everything broken after I reboot computer? | 13:43 |
| mei | well, how do you install nvidia drivers? | 13:46 |
| mei | about the wifi driver, it seems you load it from somewhere, but not really installing it so it get loaded every boot | 13:47 |
| Guest65 | the nvidia drivers were installed when I installed ubuntu mei, does that mean I have to install ubuntu again? | 13:48 |
| mei | oh, how you can tell they are gone? | 13:48 |
| Guest65 | the screen resolution is lower, and when I type nvidia-smi it says it has failed because it can not communicate with the driver | 13:49 |
| Guest65 | to get the wifi to work, I must go to the directory where I have downloaded the driver from github, then type make, sudo make install, sudo modprobe 88x2bu | 13:50 |
| lotuspsychj3 | Guest65: what gives; sudo lshw -C video ? (use a !paste) | 13:51 |
| Guest65 | !paste | 13:52 |
| ubottu | For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://dpaste.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 13:52 |
| Jeremy31 | Guest65: How many times have you rebooted? | 13:53 |
| Guest65 | just once so far jeremy, I had to because the sound stopped working. | 13:53 |
| Guest65 | lotus, here is the result of running the command https://dpaste.com/87F6BTEBX | 13:53 |
| Jeremy31 | Guest65: Ubuntu 22.04? | 13:54 |
| Guest65 | Yes, that is correct | 13:54 |
| Jeremy31 | Check what kernel with> uname -r | 13:54 |
| Guest65 | 5.15.0-58-generic | 13:55 |
| mei | i think you have to add the wifi driver in /etc/modules | 13:55 |
| lotuspsychj3 | Guest65: yep 'unclaimed' means the graphics driver is not loaded, we would need your dmesg to see what happening exactly | 13:56 |
| Jeremy31 | Guest65: does this show any nvidia> dkms status | 14:02 |
| Guest65 | lotuspsychj3, here is the contents of dmesg https://dpaste.com/5RZWHERRD | 14:03 |
| Guest65 | Jeremy31, dkms is not installed | 14:04 |
| Jeremy31 | Guest65: Where is the Nvidia driver from? | 14:04 |
| Guest65 | I am not sure, I clicked 'install third party drivers' during the installation process | 14:04 |
| Guest65 | That appears to have installed a driver, but it is gone now | 14:05 |
| Jeremy31 | Guest65: I am guessing that a new kernel was installed during the install and that since a dkms version of the driver wasn't used, you have to reinstall after every kernel update | 14:06 |
| Guest65 | So if I understand correctly, after an update it has removed the driver? I am not sure how to get a new one, or how to cancel these update | 14:07 |
| Jeremy31 | Guest65: Check the Driver Manager for a Nvidia driver with dkms | 14:07 |
| Guest65 | I am not sure what you mean by 'Driver Manager' is that software present in ubuntu? I have something called 'Additional Drivers' which shows a few nvidia drivers, I do not see any mention of 'dkms' | 14:10 |
| Jeremy31 | Guest65: The drivers in additional drivers should be dkms | 14:11 |
| Guest65 | Well, one is already selected | 14:11 |
| lotuspsychj3 | lshw showed it was unclaimed, so doesnt work well | 14:11 |
| Guest65 | It states that one proprietary driver is in use, and the checkbox is ticked | 14:11 |
| lotuspsychj3 | try to switch a driver Guest65 see what it does | 14:12 |
| Guest65 | I guess I must run the software as root? It says Failed to obtain authentication | 14:12 |
| lotuspsychj3 | software & updates shouldnt need authentication | 14:13 |
| lotuspsychj3 | unless you changing apt sources or so | 14:14 |
| Guest65 | well, I have run it as root and the change is applying now. | 14:14 |
| Jeremy31 | Guest65: Where is the wifi driver from? | 14:18 |
| Guest65 | Jeremy31, it is from github. I can find the link if you wish | 14:18 |
| Jeremy31 | Guest65: Do that, there is a chance it can use dkms | 14:18 |
| Guest65 | Here it is jeremy, https://github.com/RinCat/RTL88x2BU-Linux-Driver | 14:19 |
| Guest65 | There seems to be some commands listed there about DKMS but I do not appear to have it installed | 14:20 |
| Guest65 | I would like to report that the nvidia driver appears to be functioning after a reboot, and the dkms steps outlined in the github page worked. Thank you all for your assistance | 14:26 |
| Jeremy31 | Good | 14:29 |
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| ajay | hi | 14:51 |
| ajay | hi | 14:51 |
| ajay | hello | 14:51 |
| ajay | any person is online ? | 14:51 |
| respawn | ajay: this is ubuntu help channel if you need help ask here | 14:52 |
| respawn | ajay: for general chat go to #ubuntu-offtopic | 14:52 |
| yolo | in older ubuntu tty7 is the GUI, now it's tty2? is there a way for me to find out which tty is for GUI | 15:56 |
| yolo | 22.04 has tty2 for gui, it also shows a GUI login on tty1, then tty3-6 are text consoles, then tty7 and tty8 are blank | 15:57 |
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| SuperLag | Is there any way in Ubuntu to be able to tell when a box was first set up? | 16:11 |
| yolo | totally lost in your question | 16:11 |
| SuperLag | really? 🤔 | 16:13 |
| jhutchins | SuperLag: Not sure this is definitive, but check the dates of files in /var/log/installer | 16:13 |
| SuperLag | jhutchins: SUP?! :D | 16:13 |
| leftyfb | SuperLag: sudo dumpe2fs $(df /|awk '/dev/ {print $1}') | grep create | 16:14 |
| oerheks | sudo ls -alct /|tail -1|awk '{print $6, $7, $8}' | 16:15 |
| oerheks | that would be filesystem created? | 16:16 |
| leftyfb | the one I posted is | 16:16 |
| leftyfb | along with the time | 16:16 |
| leftyfb | oerheks: yours just shows the oldest file/directory in root. Which could verywell not give the information they're looking for | 16:17 |
| SuperLag | the ~/.bashrc from root is from 2018 | 16:18 |
| SuperLag | the one from oerheks was 2019 | 16:18 |
| leftyfb | SuperLag: sudo dumpe2fs $(df /|awk '/dev/ {print $1}') | grep create | 16:18 |
| SuperLag | hmm... that says 2019 | 16:19 |
| leftyfb | then that is when your system was installed | 16:20 |
| mario_ | how is going | 16:20 |
| jhutchins | SuperLag: Just out of curiosity, what about the files in /var/log/installer? (Do you even have those?) | 16:26 |
| ogra | SuperLag, /var/log/installer/media-info has at least info about the iso it was installed from ... as jhutchins says, the timestamps of the other logs should tell you something about install date | 16:39 |
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| alkisg | head -n1 /etc/apt/sources.list also helps sometimes | 17:07 |
| alkisg | (e.g. in case we want to know that someone installed 20.04 in 2023, then upgraded to 22.04) | 17:07 |
| jhutchins | alkisg: I tend to clean up my sources.list after any changes. I sometimes merge the .d files into the main list if they're not maintained by the source. | 17:16 |
| jhutchins | Does Ubuntu comment out the source entries? (Mine is off-line for repairs.) | 17:17 |
| alkisg | The first line shows the installation media. On do-release-upgrades, the old series is replaced with the new one, and most things in sources.list.d gets commented out | 17:17 |
| leftyfb | like jhutchins rewriting my sources.list is one of the very first things I do to my machine on a new install | 17:18 |
| leftyfb | the best way to determine when ubuntu was originally installed is to look at the filesystem creation date of your root partition | 17:19 |
| alkisg | I usually move * to /srv/old-installation, then install on the existing partition, so that wouldn't work for me :D | 17:20 |
| leftyfb | that is a very non-standard way to go about installing ubuntu :) | 17:21 |
| alkisg | It helps me locate and migrate local changes from the old to the new clean installation even weeks after I've installed it | 17:21 |
| leftyfb | that's what I have backups for | 17:21 |
| leftyfb | and ansible | 17:21 |
| alkisg | And for schools, it also preserves /home (mine is on a different partition, theirs isn't) | 17:21 |
| alkisg | Backups need time; mv needs 1 second | 17:21 |
| alkisg | Eh, ansible for managing a single pc is overkill | 17:22 |
| leftyfb | I just rsync from my backups if needed | 17:22 |
| alkisg | E.g. meld /etc /srv/old-installation/etc is a very efficient way to locate changes in etc | 17:22 |
| leftyfb | alkisg: oh, I verymuch disagree. I can build my daily driver to 90% in less than an hour just using a fresh install and an ansible playbook | 17:23 |
| alkisg | But learning ansible requires time, and that knowledge isn't reusable | 17:23 |
| alkisg | While e.g. plain shell knowledge is; and customizing things with an ltsp.conf file is much more simple than ansible | 17:23 |
| alkisg | Anyway that's a -discuss topic, I guess :) | 17:24 |
| jhutchins | alkisg: I would say that ansible knowledge is highly re-usable, especially if computers and linux are more than a hobby (or you'd like them to be). | 17:29 |
| jhutchins | It's also useful if you want to learn preseed, kickstart, puppet, or other scripted management systems. | 17:30 |
| alkisg | jhutchins: I launch my template VM; install programs, make policy settings, whatever, I'm maintaining a single PC. Then I run `ltsp image` and it's available to boot 500 PCs. Why would I prefer ansible over that? | 17:31 |
| alkisg | And for my own PC, I have an install-my-programs-and-apply-my-settings shell script that does whatever ansible would do, without any metadata overhead. I can't use ansible even for my own PC | 17:32 |
| alkisg | I can see ansible being useful to those that don't use ltsp or don't know shell, but no matter how many times I tried to use it, I didn't find any use of ansible for me | 17:32 |
| jhutchins | I think it's especially useful if you have categories of systems, as opposed to each one being either identical or one-off. | 17:34 |
| jhutchins | I'm not saying it's the only way, only that the knowledge isn't single-use. | 17:34 |
| alkisg | I mean the "reusable" word in a different way. For example, I can use shell to run a few commands in my pc, or to write scripts, or to maintain a lot of systems. While ansible as you said is for sysadmins with a lot of pcs of different categories. | 17:35 |
| jhutchins | It's also useful to make sure each build is fully standardized, for doing multiple builds at the same time, and for applying updates across a number of similar systems | 17:35 |
| alkisg | E.g. if I want to set the desktop background to a lot of PCs, ansible doesn't help | 17:36 |
| alkisg | I first need to spend a couple of days creating the shell script that would run the appropriate command per desktop environment | 17:36 |
| jhutchins | alkisg: It could for Linux, no idea for Mac or Windows. | 17:36 |
| jhutchins | alkisg: The modules offer a lot of shortcuts to step-by-step scripts. | 17:37 |
| alkisg | After spending these couple of days, well, instead of just running the shell script, I'd write an ansible playbook or however is called, to call my script | 17:37 |
| alkisg | So... it seems useless to me... | 17:37 |
| jhutchins | Anyway, we're drifting off-topic here. | 17:37 |
| alkisg | Yeh | 17:37 |
| jhutchins | I can't say I use it on my own. | 17:37 |
| alkisg | I did try to find some way to use ansible many times; I wasn't able to find a use case where it would actually help me... | 17:37 |
| jhutchins | It's also one of those things that is a lot easier to learn if it's already in use (even if you have to re-write every stupid thing the last guy did). | 17:38 |
| alkisg | Ah and another thing, creating a .deb package that would drop a /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/ for the background, is a lot easier and more policy compliant than trying to do the same thing with ansible | 17:39 |
| alkisg | And shipping / updating the .deb with a repository, is also a lot more maintainable than ansible | 17:39 |
| alkisg | (I forgot to say that I'm maintaining a repository of .deb packages for customizations as well) | 17:40 |
| alkisg | debhelper has a lot of hooks that properly update stuff when shipping configs | 17:40 |
| jhutchins | You could install the deb package using ansible's apt utilities... | 17:41 |
| alkisg | All my PCs have the repository in their sources, so they receive updates normally via apt | 17:41 |
| jhutchins | Automated updates on production machines? | 17:42 |
| jhutchins | Unattended? | 17:42 |
| alkisg | Never! These cause a lot of problems | 17:42 |
| alkisg | For big companies, we run monthly updates, attended, first on backup servers etc, then we deploy them to primary servers | 17:43 |
| alkisg | For schools, the update dialog pops up, and we also have a dialog to do updates + shut down on fridays | 17:43 |
| * alkisg would love it if ubuntu had a single exit button, that would show all the logout/reboot/shutdown options, including a "[x] apply the updates" preselected check box | 17:46 | |
| jhutchins | Ah yes, waiting for the updates to complete before you can power off and go home, never knowing how long it's supposed to take, or if something froze half-way. Good times! | 17:47 |
| iconoclasthero | what is the proper way to install qemu on 22.10? | 17:48 |
| jhutchins | !qemu | 17:49 |
| ubottu | qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo | 17:49 |
| iconoclasthero | uhh | 17:50 |
| iconoclasthero | that is well over a decade old | 17:50 |
| iconoclasthero | Jaunty is the last version that applies to | 17:50 |
| iconoclasthero | WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo (last edited 2011-05-16 15:37:58 by jengelh) | 17:50 |
| jhutchins | iconoclasthero: Don't blame me, blame whoever has maintenance rights to the bot. | 17:51 |
| jhutchins | Probably hasn't changed much. | 17:51 |
| iconoclasthero | i'm not blaming anyone, it doesn't address why i can't install it in 22.10 | 17:51 |
| iconoclasthero | with apt | 17:51 |
| jhutchins | Ah, now we get to the real question. | 17:51 |
| iconoclasthero | https://pastebin.com/0vL0SLbC | 17:53 |
| alkisg | iconoclasthero: try: sudo add-apt-repository universe | 17:53 |
| alkisg | Hmm no, it's missing from 22.10, it has probably been renamed | 17:54 |
| alkisg | Maybe sudo apt install qemu-kvm | 17:55 |
| moha | Does Ubuntu Landscape have such a feature for reverting to the previously frozen state? | 17:56 |
| jhutchins | Writing inode tables: 2913/14905 - 2.5 hrs so far. | 17:56 |
| jhutchins | Oops. | 17:57 |
| iconoclasthero | $ qemu | 18:11 |
| iconoclasthero | Command 'qemu' not found, did you mean: | 18:11 |
| iconoclasthero | command 'aqemu' from deb aqemu (0.9.2-3) | 18:11 |
| iconoclasthero | Try: sudo apt install <deb name> | 18:11 |
| iconoclasthero | sorry | 18:11 |
| iconoclasthero | https://pastebin.com/hTePzLLg | 18:12 |
| iconoclasthero | forgot to copy the pastebin link... | 18:12 |
| iconoclasthero | it appears that it does not have a gui | 18:12 |
| rbox | is there a question? | 18:12 |
| iconoclasthero | jhutchins suggested qemu-kvm and that doesn't seem to want to install either (though it looks familiar). is there some way to install a gui front end f/qemu-system-86? | 18:15 |
| jhutchins | iconoclasthero: That was alkisg, but at that level things are best handled without a GUI. | 18:20 |
| iconoclasthero | sorry... | 18:24 |
| Ishytha | Hello all. I'm having a rather unresearched issue. Who can I talk to about it? | 18:30 |
| toddc | Ishytha: just post the question and someone will skill in that area will respond | 18:32 |
| Ishytha | Oh I see. Thank you. | 18:32 |
| alkisg | !ask | 18:32 |
| ubottu | Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience | 18:32 |
| Ishytha | I understand. Thank you. | 18:33 |
| Ishytha | Softwares on my Kinetic randomly stall for about 60 seconds and then go back to business. I mostly notice that with Chrome but others also. I have searched for possible solutions on the internet but nothing good so far. | 18:36 |
| jhutchins | Ishytha: This is just a wild guess, but that sounds like a disk drive problem. | 18:37 |
| jhutchins | !smartmontools | 18:37 |
| jhutchins | !info smartmontools | 18:37 |
| ubottu | smartmontools (7.3-1, kinetic): control and monitor storage systems using S.M.A.R.T.. In component main, is optional. Built by smartmontools. Size 605 kB / 2,045 kB | 18:37 |
| jhutchins | Ishytha: You might want to install and enable that. | 18:38 |
| jhutchins | (Disk monitoring software.) | 18:38 |
| alkisg | Also try dmesg and journalctl -fb -pwarning to see the latest reported errors | 18:38 |
| Ishytha | Thank you all I'll look into that. | 18:39 |
| cousteau | Hi, I haven't done a system upgrade in forever. I have 18.04 LTS. Is it recommended to upgrade directly to 22.04 or to do a progressive 18 -> 20 -> 22 upgrade? | 18:43 |
| cousteau | (also, what are the chances of lots of stuff in my PC getting messed up? Hopefully not many...) | 18:43 |
| alkisg | It's recommended to do 18 -> 20 -> 22 | 18:44 |
| cousteau | OK, thanks! | 18:44 |
| alkisg | Verify that dpkg --print-architecture is amd64 and not i386 | 18:44 |
| cousteau | I'll probably stay at 20 for a few weeks before upgrading to 22 | 18:44 |
| alkisg | Getting messed up -> it depends a lot on how "vanilla" your system is, or if you've added a lot of third party repositories, software, ppas... | 18:44 |
| cousteau | alkisg: why? was support for x86 dropped? | 18:45 |
| cousteau | (it's amd64 for the record, but I'm curious) | 18:45 |
| alkisg | For 32bit, yes, the last version that supports it is 18.04 | 18:45 |
| cousteau | aww :( | 18:45 |
| cousteau | well yeah I might have a few ppa's and third-party packages... not sure how to check how many exactly | 18:46 |
| alkisg | Make sure to read the do-release-upgrade output and warnings | 18:47 |
| cousteau | most prominently I think I have... steam, discord, skype, MS teams... I just found out I also have Zoom... | 18:48 |
| cousteau | thanks! | 18:48 |
| cousteau | alkisg: specifically, is there a way to know which packages / applications are no longer in the repos? | 18:48 |
| cousteau | (for example, I use FreeMind, which I think got dropped out of the repos, but there's FreePlane around which is a viable replacement) | 18:49 |
| alkisg | Yes there are many commands for that, but you'll need to google a bit to find the one you want | 18:49 |
| cousteau | thanks :) | 18:49 |
| alkisg | E.g. zoom may be in the repositories, but not in ubuntu repositories; but even so, it might not affect anything | 18:49 |
| alkisg | Usually, PPAs and other repositories of "newer software versions" cause issues. Not the "non-ubuntu software" repositories | 18:50 |
| cousteau | I suspect that precisely third-party applications will be the ones that will give me the least trouble. They probably use the same package build for any version anyway | 18:50 |
| alkisg | So e.g. if you had installed libreoffice from some PPA, it'd be more likely to cause an issue | 18:50 |
| cousteau | I see | 18:51 |
| cousteau | good to know | 18:51 |
| Gallomimia | having some real latency issues in my UI these days. and even fresh after a reboot my netflix is running choppy. it's gotten worse after an upgrade in GPU. at first it was better and now it's degraded. some kind of.... interrupt conflict i think. what can i do to discover the cause? (i suspect iommu=amd is a problem) | 19:41 |
| avi441 | hi | 19:42 |
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| wantom | Client: HexChat 2.16.1 • OS: Ubuntu "kinetic" 22.10 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4570T CPU @ 2.90GHz (3.42GHz) • Memory: Physical: 6.3 GiB Total (3.5 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (2.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 81.6 GB / 245.0 GB (163.4 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor DRAM Controller • | 20:23 |
| wantom | Uptime: 19m 44s | 20:23 |
| jhutchins | Gallomimia: It's hard to benchmark something against a streamed source. See how it runs on a local file. | 20:30 |
| Gallomimia | just... everything is sluggish. firefox is slow to respond. playing a game, also slow. all apps in general very sluggish | 20:38 |
| Gallomimia | top shows relatively low loads on the system | 20:38 |
| leftyfb | Gallomimia: do you have the vendor drivers installed for your GPU? | 20:39 |
| Gallomimia | nothing else has changed in my system except a new GPU and driver version upgrade | 20:39 |
| Gallomimia | i do. nvidia 525 | 20:39 |
| Gallomimia | the old was 350 or something dumb. it had its problems but things were pretty snappy. 2 months passed and so we got new kernels also | 20:39 |
| Gallomimia | open source drivers were abyssmal so i run the proprietary | 20:40 |
| Gallomimia | for reference the old card was a 780Ti and the new is a 2060. this is ubuntu 22.04 | 20:40 |
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| gogofc | does anyone know if this error is an actual error as the bond works just fine in 802.3ad mode, this is a dmesg | 21:39 |
| gogofc | [ 22.208809] Public_Bond: (slave ens1f0): invalid new link 3 on slave | 21:39 |
| gogofc | network manager | 21:40 |
| Adam_ | jklkl | 22:02 |
| jhutchins | gogofc: Test it. | 22:43 |
| jhutchins | (Sorry for the hour lag, it's Saturday. | 22:43 |
| Guest76 | Hi... im trying to install Kubuntu onto a lenovo T470s.... having trouble with it now boot looping | 23:03 |
| nsh | that's just what ubuntu does now. we all got bored with the old experience so it's been streamlined. | 23:07 |
| nsh | after 31337 boot loops there's a hidden easter egg. it's well worth the wait | 23:07 |
| Guest76 | lol | 23:08 |
| jhutchins | Guest76: How far does it get? | 23:39 |
| jhutchins | Guest76: Did you validate the checksum of the downloaded install image? | 23:39 |
| Guest76 | yes i validated it | 23:46 |
| Guest76 | It gets to the lenovo splash screen... and then reboots | 23:47 |
| Guest76 | jhutchins | 23:47 |
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