[00:08] <pconst167> my question is
[00:08] <pconst167> why is GNOME so good?
[00:10] <pconst167> what males GNOME
[00:10] <pconst167> the greatest desktop ever?
[00:10] <pconst167> what makes GNOME
[00:10] <pconst167> the dream of Richard Stallman
[00:49] <jhutchins> Yet another reason to avoid all things gnome.
[01:41] <Delemas> Anyone know how to "Try to install the GTK+ look and feel" on Ubuntu 22.04? I'm trying to figure out how to get the Qoppa PDF Viewer to scale better: https://kbpdfstudio.qoppa.com/4k-on-linux/
[01:44] <oerheks> an article from 2016...
[01:45] <guiverc> GTK+ implies it's old; the current way of writing that is just GTK (the GIMP+GNOME history forgotten in history)
[01:46] <oerheks> and it talks about studio 2020.2.0.. is it still valid?
[01:46] <oerheks> wait.. commercial blob
[01:58] <Delemas> Yes unfortunately their support still keeps referencing it....
[01:58] <Delemas> Ah ok so the article is as useless as I thought.
[03:06] <amazoniantoad> Hey guys! I'm trying to set a javascript webpage to my wallpaper. Is this possible?
[03:10] <sarnold> that's an interesting question :) I know IE4 could do that in windows 95 or something.. :)
[03:10] <sarnold> I can't find a command line option to make firefox display in a specific window, I had hoped.. :(
[03:11] <amazoniantoad> D:
[03:16] <sarnold> man, I wish ffmpeg docs were easier..
[03:16] <sarnold> I know mplayer can emit to the root window, but I don't know if it can capture
[03:16] <sarnold> I know ffmpeg can capture X11, but I do'nt know if you can capture specific windows or just regions of X11, and I can't figure out if you can display to the root window :(
[03:16] <sarnold> it feels like all the pieces are right here..
[05:06] <plt2> To install ununtu net installer I am using amd professor where can I find the correct net installer
[05:07] <oerheks> mini iso is no more, factoid !mini is old
[05:07] <oerheks> !mini
[05:07] <oerheks> use the server installer
[05:08] <toddc> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[05:09] <toddc> mini is not a official iso any longer
[05:09] <oerheks> jups, there is an old version, unsupported, probably with bugs .. http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/installer-amd64/current/legacy-images/netboot/
[05:10] <oerheks> so; server it is
[05:10] <plt2> This one https://ubuntu.com/download/server
[05:11] <oerheks> have fun!
[05:11] <plt2> That did not answer my question
[05:11] <oerheks> that is the right ubuntu site.
[05:11] <toddc> hhm I thought is was no longet but http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/netboot/ shows 22.04 but then it says use the server so oerheks is correct
[05:12] <oerheks> seriously, is it so hard?
[05:12] <plt2> The server is kinda of over kill
[05:12] <plt2> I will try the mini.iso
[05:12] <oerheks> there is no mini iso ..
[05:13] <plt2> There is http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/focal/main/installer-amd64/current/legacy-images/netboot/
[05:13] <oerheks> i stated; unsupported, maybe with bugs.
[05:19] <plt2> VMware Player unrecoverable error: (vcpu-1)
[05:19] <plt2> Exception 0xc0000005 (access violation) has occurred.
[05:20] <plt2> Nice
[05:20] <plt2> A log file is available in "C:\Users\PLT.LAPTOP-PNQTGFJD\OneDrive\Documents\Virtual Machines\Ubuntu 64-bit\vmware.log".
[05:21] <oerheks> so; server it is
[05:22] <plt2> Its failing to run
[06:49] <mei> hey, how do i know if snap on my server is useful?
[06:49] <mei> i mean, it's there since install, but i'm not aware is doing anything
[06:49] <mei> core20, lxd and snapd is the output of list
[06:56] <mei> based on this https://snapcraft.io/docs/installing-snapd it is pre-installed. but i think it's just there in case you need it...
[06:57] <mei> also it's probably doing more on desktop, this is a server
[07:57] <Eber> which flavor is better for the soul?
[07:58] <lotuspsychj3> Eber: we dont take polls here Eber
[07:58] <lotuspsychj3> !flavours | Eber choose one instead that fits with your lifestyle
[08:01] <mei> any hint about snap?
[08:01] <mei> everyone has snap in ubuntu. do you know if it's needed?
[08:02] <mei> on server
[08:03] <mei> i would not bother on a normal machine, but it's a raspberry pi, so resources are very limited
[08:08] <mei> well i will try a simple 'systemctl disable snapd' and reboot
[08:21] <alkisg> mei: I've removed snapd from my servers without any issues
[08:25] <SwedeMike> 1/win 31
[08:25] <SwedeMike> oops
[09:04] <mei> alkisg: how?
[09:04] <mei> disable snapd and snapd.socket did not made it
[09:04] <alkisg> mei: sudo apt purge snapd
[09:04] <mei> oh
[09:05] <mei> it seems i also need to disable snapd.seeded
[09:05] <lotuspsychj3> on -server lxd was a snap right?
[09:05] <mei> yes?
[09:06] <mei> i mean, i have lxd as snap package
[09:06] <lotuspsychj3> ok just to make sure you're aware mei
[09:06] <mei> what could go wrong?
[09:06] <lotuspsychj3> didnt test myself
[09:07] <mei> i hope this thing do not require lxd by default
[09:07] <mei> or it will fail to boot
[09:08] <lotuspsychj3> if alkisg says it purged without any issues, im sure it will be good to go
[09:08] <mei> ahah it's still there...
[09:08] <mei> i did, systemctl disable snapd snapd.socket snapd.seeded
[09:08] <mei> but it's still loading
[09:09] <mei> i have some *.mount snap things and apparmor snap
[09:09] <mei> maybe i should really just purge the package...
[09:12] <alkisg> mei: are you using lxd on a raspberry pi?!
[09:12] <alkisg> I assume "no", so you can just go ahead and purge the package
[09:12] <mei> no, it was just conservative to only disable
[09:12] <mei> since if it's disabled, no resources are used
[09:13] <mei> and less issues when new ubuntu come out maybe
[09:13] <mei> and upgrade
[09:13] <mei> i think it's not running though... i don't see any snap thing in ps
[09:14] <alkisg> Well, snapd isn't yet an apt dependency, so we're not required to keep it installed
[09:14] <mei> well, i'm pretty sur that if you start to remove packages around
[09:14] <alkisg> If they end up requiring it, that'll show up in apt; and it'll be automatically pulled on updates or upgrades
[09:14] <alkisg> So it'll reinstall itself in that case
[09:14] <mei> it's not going great for ugprades
[09:14] <alkisg> Why do you say that?
[09:15] <mei> well lot of apt upgrades failing in the wild
[09:15] <alkisg> ...that doesn't mean anything at all
[09:15] <mei> anyway, i don't want snap to use cpu/ram
[09:15] <alkisg> Do you have a specific case where you removed a non-dependency, and something went wrong?
[09:16] <mei> so disabling was the first thought
[09:16] <mei> well, if snap is not a dependency why is even there?
[09:16] <mei> something pulled it
[09:16] <alkisg> No
[09:16] <alkisg> CDs are created from seeds, not from apt dependencies
[09:16] <mei> not sure about that
[09:17] <mei> there are meta packages and tasks
[09:17] <mei> that pull things
[09:17] <alkisg> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/
[09:17] <alkisg> Have a read
[09:21] <mei> so? it's pulled by server task
[09:21] <mei> maybe what you are saying is that is not a dependency of some other package
[09:21] <mei> but just a root dependency of the task
[09:21] <alkisg> Tasks and seeds have no dependencies
[09:21] <alkisg> Deb packages have dependencies
[09:22] <mei> okay so it's like you manually install things on their own
[09:22] <alkisg> Right
[09:23] <alkisg> So if you install the lamp task, and you don't need mysql, you can remove it
[09:23] <mei> nice
[09:24] <mei> well it's not always true since
[09:24] <mei> https://packages.ubuntu.com/jammy/ubuntu-server
[09:24] <mei> there is a meta package installed
[09:24] <mei> but snapd is a green dependency
[09:24] <mei> try to remove tmux
[09:24] <mei> i feel like apt will complain
[09:25] <alkisg> mei: see the "legend" above
[09:25] <alkisg> green = recommends, red = depends
[09:25] <mei> so?
[09:25] <mei> proving my point
[09:25] <mei> you can not remove packages around
[09:26] <alkisg> apt won't complain if you remove a recommendation
[09:26] <mei> snap is a special case
[09:26] <alkisg> OK ok anyway my point wasn't to argue with you. If you need help, I can help, if we're just trying to convince each other, I'm not interested.
[09:26] <mei> lol
[09:27] <alkisg> All of this information is contained in the debian policy, if you want to read it
[09:29] <mei> not sure what are you talking about
[09:29] <mei> but if you remove a package and apt doesn't complain could be fine
[09:30] <alkisg> The debian policy explains what depends and recommends in debian packages mean, exactly
[09:30] <mei> seems a random information
[09:30] <alkisg> No, it's what us developers need to read when implementing our packages
[09:31] <alkisg> This chain of recommendations and dependencies is mandated by debian policy, it's not a random thing
[09:31] <mei> it's just not related to thid discussion
[09:31] <mei> s
[09:31] <tomreyn> mei: there's #ubuntu-discuss, in case you'd like to have a quality (i.e. after reading up) ubuntu discussion
[09:31] <alkisg> THEN apt will decide to complain or not, based on what we told it to do
[09:32] <alkisg> So as long as apt purge snapd doesn't make apt complain, this means that the snap developers didn't declare it in their debian/control file, which means they ensure us that things don't break
[09:36] <mei> tomreyn: thanks but there is no discussion
[09:40] <tomreyn> mei: the above looks like more than just a support question to me - which is what defines the limits of this channel, as you know. after all, it's not the first time that you're crossing this border and were told so.
[09:42] <mei> ???
[09:42] <mei> where did i cross a border?
[09:44] <mei> you are confusing me with someone else
[09:49] <tomreyn> mei: i just re-read the whole conversation. maybe i was a bit harsh there, but i've previously seen you bringing up quite the meta discussions here, and this one *you* also labeled as a discussion. please let's not have those here. and if you would like to discuss this statement of mine, let's please do it in #ubuntu-ops, not here.
[09:49] <tomreyn> thank you.
[09:50] <mei> it's fine, no need
[10:37] <pconst167> hi
[10:38] <pconst167> gnome is draining all battery in suspend mode. is there a way to fix this?
[10:49] <tomreyn> pconst167: bios upgrade, HWE kernel, ubuntu upgrade, don't suspend.
[13:30] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:37] <Guest65> Hello, I installed ubuntu recently to try and play video games. Unfortunately I unplugged my head phones and the sound stopped working, even after I plugged them back in.
[13:37] <Guest65> I had to reboot the computer, and after doing so the nvidia drivers are gone. Also I have to make the wifi driver every time I reboot the computer.
[13:37] <Guest65> What would cause the nvidia drivers to be gone after a reboot?
[13:37] <Guest65> How may I have the wifi function automatically?
[13:37] <Guest65> In the event that I unplug my headphones again, how I may get the sound to work without rebooting my computer?
[13:37] <Guest65> I clicked 'install third party drivers' during install, which made the nvidia driver appear. It did not work for the wifi however.
[13:40] <Guest65> I am not sure what that flood means sorry am I not allowed to ask more than one question?
[13:41] <lotuspsychj3> Guest65: its because your lines are too many at once
[13:41] <respawn> use dpaste for more than 3 lines
[13:42] <Guest65> so I can write more than one question provided I do not use the carriage return, okay
[13:43] <Guest65> so why has everything broken after I reboot computer?
[13:46] <mei> well, how do you install nvidia drivers?
[13:47] <mei> about the wifi driver, it seems you load it from somewhere, but not really installing it so it get loaded every boot
[13:48] <Guest65> the nvidia drivers were installed when I installed ubuntu mei, does that mean I have to install ubuntu again?
[13:48] <mei> oh, how you can tell they are gone?
[13:49] <Guest65> the screen resolution is lower, and when I type nvidia-smi it says it has failed because it can not communicate with the driver
[13:50] <Guest65> to get the wifi to work, I must go to the directory where I have downloaded the driver from github, then type make, sudo make install, sudo modprobe 88x2bu
[13:51] <lotuspsychj3> Guest65: what gives; sudo lshw -C video ? (use a !paste)
[13:52] <Guest65> !paste
[13:53] <Jeremy31> Guest65: How many times have you rebooted?
[13:53] <Guest65> just once so far jeremy, I had to because the sound stopped working.
[13:53] <Guest65> lotus, here is the result of running the command https://dpaste.com/87F6BTEBX
[13:54] <Jeremy31> Guest65: Ubuntu 22.04?
[13:54] <Guest65> Yes, that is correct
[13:54] <Jeremy31> Check what kernel with>  uname -r
[13:55] <Guest65> 5.15.0-58-generic
[13:55] <mei> i think you have to add the wifi driver in /etc/modules
[13:56] <lotuspsychj3> Guest65: yep 'unclaimed' means the graphics driver is not loaded, we would need your dmesg to see what happening exactly
[14:02] <Jeremy31> Guest65: does this show any nvidia>  dkms status
[14:03] <Guest65> lotuspsychj3, here is the contents of dmesg https://dpaste.com/5RZWHERRD
[14:04] <Guest65> Jeremy31, dkms is not installed
[14:04] <Jeremy31> Guest65: Where is the Nvidia driver from?
[14:04] <Guest65> I am not sure, I clicked 'install third party drivers' during the installation process
[14:05] <Guest65> That appears to have installed a driver, but it is gone now
[14:06] <Jeremy31> Guest65: I am guessing that a new kernel was installed during the install and that since a dkms version of the driver wasn't used, you have to reinstall after every kernel update
[14:07] <Guest65> So if I understand correctly, after an update it has removed the driver? I am not sure how to get a new one, or how to cancel these update
[14:07] <Jeremy31> Guest65: Check the Driver Manager for a Nvidia driver with dkms
[14:10] <Guest65> I am not sure what you mean by 'Driver Manager' is that software present in ubuntu? I have something called 'Additional Drivers' which shows a few nvidia drivers, I do not see any mention of 'dkms'
[14:11] <Jeremy31> Guest65: The drivers in additional drivers should be dkms
[14:11] <Guest65> Well, one is already selected
[14:11] <lotuspsychj3> lshw showed it was unclaimed, so doesnt work well
[14:11] <Guest65> It states that one proprietary driver is in use, and the checkbox is ticked
[14:12] <lotuspsychj3> try to switch a driver Guest65 see what it does
[14:12] <Guest65> I guess I must run the software as root? It says Failed to obtain authentication
[14:13] <lotuspsychj3> software & updates shouldnt need authentication
[14:14] <lotuspsychj3> unless you changing apt sources or so
[14:14] <Guest65> well, I have run it as root and the change is applying now.
[14:18] <Jeremy31> Guest65: Where is the wifi driver from?
[14:18] <Guest65> Jeremy31, it is from github. I can find the link if you wish
[14:18] <Jeremy31> Guest65: Do that, there is a chance it can use dkms
[14:19] <Guest65> Here it is jeremy, https://github.com/RinCat/RTL88x2BU-Linux-Driver
[14:20] <Guest65> There seems to be some commands listed there about DKMS but I do not appear to have it installed
[14:26] <Guest65> I would like to report that the nvidia driver appears to be functioning after a reboot, and the dkms steps outlined in the github page worked. Thank you all for your assistance
[14:29] <Jeremy31> Good
[14:51] <ajay> hi
[14:51] <ajay> hi
[14:51] <ajay> hello
[14:51] <ajay> any person is online ?
[14:52] <respawn> ajay: this is ubuntu help channel if you need help ask here
[14:52] <respawn> ajay: for general chat go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:56] <yolo> in older ubuntu tty7 is the GUI, now it's tty2? is there a way for me to find out which tty is for GUI
[15:57] <yolo> 22.04 has tty2 for gui, it also shows a GUI login on tty1, then tty3-6 are text consoles, then tty7 and tty8 are blank
[16:11] <SuperLag> Is there any way in Ubuntu to be able to tell when a box was first set up?
[16:11] <yolo> totally lost in your question
[16:13] <SuperLag> really? 🤔
[16:13] <jhutchins> SuperLag: Not sure this is definitive, but check the dates of files in /var/log/installer
[16:13] <SuperLag> jhutchins: SUP?! :D
[16:14] <leftyfb> SuperLag: sudo dumpe2fs $(df /|awk '/dev/ {print $1}') | grep create
[16:15] <oerheks> sudo ls -alct /|tail -1|awk '{print $6, $7, $8}'
[16:16] <oerheks> that would be filesystem created?
[16:16] <leftyfb> the one I posted is
[16:16] <leftyfb> along with the time
[16:17] <leftyfb> oerheks: yours just shows the oldest file/directory in root. Which could verywell not give the information they're looking for
[16:18] <SuperLag> the ~/.bashrc from root is from 2018
[16:18] <SuperLag> the one from oerheks was 2019
[16:18] <leftyfb> SuperLag: sudo dumpe2fs $(df /|awk '/dev/ {print $1}') | grep create
[16:19] <SuperLag> hmm... that says 2019
[16:20] <leftyfb> then that is when your system was installed
[16:20] <mario_> how is going
[16:26] <jhutchins> SuperLag: Just out of curiosity, what about the files in /var/log/installer?  (Do you even have those?)
[16:39] <ogra> SuperLag, /var/log/installer/media-info has at least info about the iso it was installed from ... as jhutchins says, the timestamps of the other logs should tell you something about install date
[17:07] <alkisg> head -n1 /etc/apt/sources.list also helps sometimes
[17:07] <alkisg> (e.g. in case we want to know that someone installed 20.04 in 2023, then upgraded to 22.04)
[17:16] <jhutchins> alkisg: I tend to clean up my sources.list after any changes.  I sometimes merge the .d files into the main list if they're not maintained by the source.
[17:17] <jhutchins> Does Ubuntu comment out the source entries?  (Mine is off-line for repairs.)
[17:17] <alkisg> The first line shows the installation media. On do-release-upgrades, the old series is replaced with the new one, and most things in sources.list.d gets commented out
[17:18] <leftyfb>  like jhutchins rewriting my sources.list is one of the very first things I do to my machine on a new install
[17:19] <leftyfb> the best way to determine when ubuntu was originally installed is to look at the filesystem creation date of your root partition
[17:20] <alkisg> I usually move * to /srv/old-installation, then install on the existing partition, so that wouldn't work for me :D
[17:21] <leftyfb> that is a very non-standard way to go about installing ubuntu :)
[17:21] <alkisg> It helps me locate and migrate local changes from the old to the new clean installation even weeks after I've installed it
[17:21] <leftyfb> that's what I have backups for
[17:21] <leftyfb> and ansible
[17:21] <alkisg> And for schools, it also preserves /home (mine is on a different partition, theirs isn't)
[17:21] <alkisg> Backups need time; mv needs 1 second
[17:22] <alkisg> Eh, ansible for managing a single pc is overkill
[17:22] <leftyfb> I just rsync from my backups if needed
[17:22] <alkisg> E.g. meld /etc /srv/old-installation/etc is a very efficient way to locate changes in etc
[17:23] <leftyfb> alkisg: oh, I verymuch disagree. I can build my daily driver to 90% in less than an hour just using a fresh install and an ansible playbook
[17:23] <alkisg> But learning ansible requires time, and that knowledge isn't reusable
[17:23] <alkisg> While e.g. plain shell knowledge is; and customizing things with an ltsp.conf file is much more simple than ansible
[17:24] <alkisg> Anyway that's a -discuss topic, I guess :)
[17:29] <jhutchins> alkisg: I would say that ansible knowledge is highly re-usable, especially if computers and linux are more than a hobby (or you'd like them to be).
[17:30] <jhutchins> It's also useful if you want to learn preseed, kickstart, puppet, or other scripted management systems.
[17:31] <alkisg> jhutchins: I launch my template VM; install programs, make policy settings, whatever, I'm maintaining a single PC. Then I run `ltsp image` and it's available to boot 500 PCs. Why would I prefer ansible over that?
[17:32] <alkisg> And for my own PC, I have an install-my-programs-and-apply-my-settings shell script that does whatever ansible would do, without any metadata overhead. I can't use ansible even for my own PC
[17:32] <alkisg> I can see ansible being useful to those that don't use ltsp or don't know shell, but no matter how many times I tried to use it, I didn't find any use of ansible for me
[17:34] <jhutchins> I think it's especially useful if you have categories of systems, as opposed to each one being either identical or one-off.
[17:34] <jhutchins> I'm not saying it's the only way, only that the knowledge isn't single-use.
[17:35] <alkisg> I mean the "reusable" word in a different way. For example, I can use shell to run a few commands in my pc, or to write scripts, or to maintain a lot of systems. While ansible as you said is for sysadmins with a lot of pcs of different categories.
[17:35] <jhutchins> It's also useful to make sure each build is fully standardized, for doing multiple builds at the same time, and for applying updates across a number of similar systems
[17:36] <alkisg> E.g. if I want to set the desktop background to a lot of PCs, ansible doesn't help
[17:36] <alkisg> I first need to spend a couple of days creating the shell script that would run the appropriate command per desktop environment
[17:36] <jhutchins> alkisg: It could for Linux, no idea for Mac or Windows.
[17:37] <jhutchins> alkisg: The modules offer a lot of shortcuts to step-by-step scripts.
[17:37] <alkisg> After spending these couple of days, well, instead of just running the shell script, I'd write an ansible playbook or however is called, to call my script
[17:37] <alkisg> So... it seems useless to me...
[17:37] <jhutchins> Anyway, we're drifting off-topic here.
[17:37] <alkisg> Yeh
[17:37] <jhutchins> I can't say I use it on my own.
[17:37] <alkisg> I did try to find some way to use ansible many times; I wasn't able to find a use case where it would actually help me...
[17:38] <jhutchins> It's also one of those things that is a lot easier to learn if it's already in use (even if you have to re-write every stupid thing the last guy did).
[17:39] <alkisg> Ah and another thing, creating a .deb package that would drop a /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/ for the background, is a lot easier and more policy compliant than trying to do the same thing with ansible
[17:39] <alkisg> And shipping / updating the .deb with a repository, is also a lot more maintainable than ansible
[17:40] <alkisg> (I forgot to say that I'm maintaining a repository of .deb packages for customizations as well)
[17:40] <alkisg> debhelper has a lot of hooks that properly update stuff when shipping configs
[17:41] <jhutchins> You could install the deb package using ansible's apt utilities...
[17:41] <alkisg> All my PCs have the repository in their sources, so they receive updates normally via apt
[17:42] <jhutchins> Automated updates on production machines?
[17:42] <jhutchins> Unattended?
[17:42] <alkisg> Never! These cause a lot of problems
[17:43] <alkisg> For big companies, we run monthly updates, attended, first on backup servers etc, then we deploy them to primary servers
[17:43] <alkisg> For schools, the update dialog pops up, and we also have a dialog to do updates + shut down on fridays
[17:46]  * alkisg would love it if ubuntu had a single exit button, that would show all the logout/reboot/shutdown options, including a "[x] apply the updates" preselected check box
[17:47] <jhutchins> Ah yes, waiting for the updates to complete before you can power off and go home, never knowing how long it's supposed to take, or if something froze half-way.  Good times!
[17:48] <iconoclasthero> what is the proper way to install qemu on 22.10?
[17:49] <jhutchins> !qemu
[17:50] <iconoclasthero> uhh
[17:50] <iconoclasthero> that is well over a decade old
[17:50] <iconoclasthero> Jaunty is the last version that applies to
[17:50] <iconoclasthero> WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo (last edited 2011-05-16 15:37:58 by jengelh)
[17:51] <jhutchins> iconoclasthero: Don't blame me, blame whoever has maintenance rights to the bot.
[17:51] <jhutchins> Probably hasn't changed much.
[17:51] <iconoclasthero> i'm not blaming anyone, it doesn't address why i can't install it in 22.10
[17:51] <iconoclasthero> with apt
[17:51] <jhutchins> Ah, now we get to the real question.
[17:53] <iconoclasthero> https://pastebin.com/0vL0SLbC
[17:53] <alkisg> iconoclasthero: try: sudo add-apt-repository universe
[17:54] <alkisg> Hmm no, it's missing from 22.10, it has probably been renamed
[17:55] <alkisg> Maybe sudo apt install qemu-kvm
[17:56] <moha> Does Ubuntu Landscape have such a feature for reverting to the previously frozen state?
[17:56] <jhutchins> Writing inode tables:  2913/14905 - 2.5 hrs so far.
[17:57] <jhutchins> Oops.
[18:11] <iconoclasthero> $ qemu
[18:11] <iconoclasthero> Command 'qemu' not found, did you mean:
[18:11] <iconoclasthero>   command 'aqemu' from deb aqemu (0.9.2-3)
[18:11] <iconoclasthero> Try: sudo apt install <deb name>
[18:11] <iconoclasthero> sorry
[18:12] <iconoclasthero> https://pastebin.com/hTePzLLg
[18:12] <iconoclasthero> forgot to copy the pastebin link...
[18:12] <iconoclasthero> it appears that it does not have a gui
[18:12] <rbox> is there a question?
[18:15] <iconoclasthero> jhutchins suggested qemu-kvm and that doesn't seem to want to install either (though it looks familiar).  is there some way to install a gui front end f/qemu-system-86?
[18:20] <jhutchins> iconoclasthero: That was alkisg, but at that level things are best handled without a GUI.
[18:24] <iconoclasthero> sorry...
[18:30] <Ishytha> Hello all. I'm having a rather unresearched issue. Who can I talk to about it?
[18:32] <toddc> Ishytha: just post the question and someone will skill in that area will respond
[18:32] <Ishytha> Oh I see. Thank you.
[18:32] <alkisg> !ask
[18:33] <Ishytha> I understand. Thank you.
[18:36] <Ishytha> Softwares on my Kinetic randomly stall for about 60 seconds and then go back to business. I mostly notice that with Chrome but others also. I have searched for possible solutions on the internet but nothing good so far.
[18:37] <jhutchins> Ishytha: This is just a wild guess, but that sounds like a disk drive problem.
[18:37] <jhutchins> !smartmontools
[18:37] <jhutchins> !info smartmontools
[18:38] <jhutchins> Ishytha: You might want to install and enable that.
[18:38] <jhutchins> (Disk monitoring software.)
[18:38] <alkisg> Also try dmesg and journalctl -fb -pwarning to see the latest reported errors
[18:39] <Ishytha> Thank you all I'll look into that.
[18:43] <cousteau> Hi, I haven't done a system upgrade in forever.  I have 18.04 LTS.  Is it recommended to upgrade directly to 22.04 or to do a progressive 18 -> 20 -> 22 upgrade?
[18:43] <cousteau> (also, what are the chances of lots of stuff in my PC getting messed up?  Hopefully not many...)
[18:44] <alkisg> It's recommended to do 18 -> 20 -> 22
[18:44] <cousteau> OK, thanks!
[18:44] <alkisg> Verify that dpkg --print-architecture is amd64 and not i386
[18:44] <cousteau> I'll probably stay at 20 for a few weeks before upgrading to 22
[18:44] <alkisg> Getting messed up -> it depends a lot on how "vanilla" your system is, or if you've added a lot of third party repositories, software, ppas...
[18:45] <cousteau> alkisg: why?  was support for x86 dropped?
[18:45] <cousteau> (it's amd64 for the record, but I'm curious)
[18:45] <alkisg> For 32bit, yes, the last version that supports it is 18.04
[18:45] <cousteau> aww :(
[18:46] <cousteau> well yeah I might have a few ppa's and third-party packages... not sure how to check how many exactly
[18:47] <alkisg> Make sure to read the do-release-upgrade output and warnings
[18:48] <cousteau> most prominently I think I have... steam, discord, skype, MS teams... I just found out I also have Zoom...
[18:48] <cousteau> thanks!
[18:48] <cousteau> alkisg: specifically, is there a way to know which packages / applications are no longer in the repos?
[18:49] <cousteau> (for example, I use FreeMind, which I think got dropped out of the repos, but there's FreePlane around which is a viable replacement)
[18:49] <alkisg> Yes there are many commands for that, but you'll need to google a bit to find the one you want
[18:49] <cousteau> thanks :)
[18:49] <alkisg> E.g. zoom may be in the repositories, but not in ubuntu repositories; but even so, it might not affect anything
[18:50] <alkisg> Usually, PPAs and other repositories of "newer software versions" cause issues. Not the "non-ubuntu software" repositories
[18:50] <cousteau> I suspect that precisely third-party applications will be the ones that will give me the least trouble.  They probably use the same package build for any version anyway
[18:50] <alkisg> So e.g. if you had installed libreoffice from some PPA, it'd be more likely to cause an issue
[18:51] <cousteau> I see
[18:51] <cousteau> good to know
[19:41] <Gallomimia> having some real latency issues in my UI these days. and even fresh after a reboot my netflix is running choppy. it's gotten worse after an upgrade in GPU. at first it was better and now it's degraded. some kind of.... interrupt conflict i think. what can i do to discover the cause? (i suspect iommu=amd is a problem)
[19:42] <avi441> hi
[20:23] <wantom> Client: HexChat 2.16.1 • OS: Ubuntu "kinetic" 22.10 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4570T CPU @ 2.90GHz (3.42GHz) • Memory: Physical: 6.3 GiB Total (3.5 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (2.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 81.6 GB / 245.0 GB (163.4 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor DRAM Controller •
[20:23] <wantom> Uptime: 19m 44s
[20:30] <jhutchins> Gallomimia: It's hard to benchmark something against a streamed source.  See how it runs on a local file.
[20:38] <Gallomimia> just... everything is sluggish. firefox is slow to respond. playing a game, also slow. all apps in general very sluggish
[20:38] <Gallomimia> top shows relatively low loads on the system
[20:39] <leftyfb> Gallomimia: do you have the vendor drivers installed for your GPU?
[20:39] <Gallomimia> nothing else has changed in my system except a new GPU and driver version upgrade
[20:39] <Gallomimia> i do. nvidia 525
[20:39] <Gallomimia> the old was 350 or something dumb. it had its problems but things were pretty snappy. 2 months passed and so we got new kernels also
[20:40] <Gallomimia> open source drivers were abyssmal so i run the proprietary
[20:40] <Gallomimia> for reference the old card was a 780Ti and the new is a 2060. this is ubuntu 22.04
[21:39] <gogofc> does anyone know if this error is an actual error as the bond works just fine in 802.3ad mode, this is a dmesg
[21:39] <gogofc>  [   22.208809] Public_Bond: (slave ens1f0): invalid new link 3 on slave
[21:40] <gogofc> network manager
[22:02] <Adam_> jklkl
[22:43] <jhutchins> gogofc: Test it.
[22:43] <jhutchins> (Sorry for the hour lag, it's Saturday.
[23:03] <Guest76> Hi... im trying to install Kubuntu onto a lenovo T470s.... having trouble with it now boot looping
[23:07] <nsh> that's just what ubuntu does now. we all got bored with the old experience so it's been streamlined.
[23:07] <nsh> after 31337 boot loops there's a hidden easter egg. it's well worth the wait
[23:08] <Guest76> lol
[23:39] <jhutchins> Guest76: How far does it get?
[23:39] <jhutchins> Guest76: Did you validate the checksum of the downloaded install image?
[23:46] <Guest76> yes i validated it
[23:47] <Guest76> It gets to the lenovo splash screen... and then reboots
[23:47] <Guest76> jhutchins