| gwaily | hello? | 03:22 |
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| gwaily | anybody here? | 03:22 |
| arraybolt3 | o/ | 03:24 |
| porquilho | yes | 03:28 |
| * Bashing-om Sometimes thinks I am a body | 03:28 | |
| guiverc | gwaily, if you have a Xubuntu support question, please just ask it (be patient, people respond when they can). For general discussion, #xubuntu-offtopic is more appropriate | 03:36 |
| gwaily | what is this thing used for? I'm new to linux | 03:40 |
| arraybolt3 | IRC is a chat protocol that's kinda like Discord, only it's a lot older. This particular chat room (or channel, in IRC terms) is for Xubuntu technical support. | 03:42 |
| arraybolt3 | Basically, if something goes wrong with your computers, there's a bunch of volunteers here who might be able to help you fix it. | 03:42 |
| arraybolt3 | (Heh, "computers" was a typo, though still accurate :P) | 03:43 |
| arraybolt3 | There's also channels for just chatting with people (#ubuntu-offtopic being one of the most popular), channels for discussing a particular topic (#ubuntu-discuss and #linux for instance), etc. | 03:45 |
| guiverc | this room is specifically for Xubuntu questions (supported releases only) | 03:46 |
| AlanSmith425 | Hi, I have a very strange problem with Xubuntu 22.04.1, can someone please help? I have a PC that I need to autologin (it's running a graphical program unattended as an appliance), but randomly I will still get a login prompt on boot. On certain hardware I get a login prompt 99% of the time, on certain other hardware (with a cloned disk image) | 05:41 |
| AlanSmith425 | I'll get a login prompt 10% of the time. I've already followed some online suggestions to create the autologin group and add the user to that, it doesn't solve the issue. How can I troubleshoot what's going on? Is there a way to nuke PAM or the greeter or something, so it's literally impossible to get a login prompt? | 05:41 |
| arraybolt3 | Silly question, but are you sure it's the login prompt you're seeing and not the screen locker? | 05:46 |
| AlanSmith425 | Thanks for your reply. I am not sure. How can I tell the difference? I have configured power options to not sleep nor lock, though. This is the first screen that appears on boot. | 05:47 |
| AlanSmith425 | As part of trying to fix the problem, I had also put the user into the group nopasswd login. At which point the login prompt doesn't require a password anymore, instead you had to just click the login button. I've removed the user from that group. | 05:50 |
| arraybolt3 | Sorry, got distracted, back now. | 05:55 |
| arraybolt3 | There's two possible ways to tell the difference. | 05:55 |
| arraybolt3 | For one, a login screen *should* let you attempt to shut the computer down. A lock screen usually won't provide that option. | 05:55 |
| arraybolt3 | For two, a login screen will take a while to log into, whereas a lock screen will come unlocked almost instantly when you provide your password and hit Enter. | 05:56 |
| arraybolt3 | If the screen is impeding your ability for the app to work, though, it's probably a login screen. | 05:56 |
| AlanSmith425 | Ok. I have the power icon on the top right, which allows me to shutdown/restart the machine. So that mean's it's a login screen? | 05:57 |
| arraybolt3 | Yeah. | 05:57 |
| AlanSmith425 | The tricky thing is, the problem occurs intermittently. I can reboot over and over, and it will autologin half of the time sometimes. | 05:57 |
| arraybolt3 | I'm sadly not too familiar with how autologin works without a greeter, and if autologin with a greeter doesn't work, then I don't really know how to proceed here. What you might be able to do is uninstall the greeter (which will make the system boot into a terminal, I believe), then enable autologin on the console and add a "startx" line to $HOME/.profile to start the X session. | 05:58 |
| arraybolt3 | You'll definitely want to test that before actually doing it in production. | 05:58 |
| arraybolt3 | Also the GUI might end up looking wonky - it may be possible to rectify that by making a change to $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS just before running startx, but I don't know if that will work on Xubuntu or not. | 05:59 |
| AlanSmith425 | Ok, I will try that, thanks. Also, I'm not too familiar with the deep guts of linux. Can you point me to a log file where I might look for errors and such? Would it be var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log? | 06:00 |
| arraybolt3 | That sounds likely. | 06:05 |
| arraybolt3 | Maybe also look at the output of "journalctl". | 06:05 |
| AlanSmith425 | kk Thanks. If anyone else has any insights, please help? | 06:06 |
| AlanSmith425 | Hmm, /var/log/lightdm/seat0-greeter.log has these lines: | 06:12 |
| AlanSmith425 | ** Message: 16:35:27.836: [Configuration] Reading file: /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf | 06:12 |
| AlanSmith425 | Excess arguments. | 06:12 |
| AlanSmith425 | (lightdm-gtk-greeter:879): Gtk-WARNING **: 16:35:28.417: Drawing a gadget with negative dimensions. Did you forget to allocate a size? (node menubar owner GreeterMenuBar) | 06:12 |
| AlanSmith425 | Is this normal? | 06:12 |
| AlanSmith425 | There's nothing in lightdm.log that indicates it was trying to autologin, would it normally say something if so? | 06:15 |
| arraybolt3 | I actually don't know :P | 06:21 |
| arraybolt3 | Sorry, I've never had autologin fail on me, so I'm giving somewhat general troubleshooting advice and ideas that are mostly shots in the dark. | 06:21 |
| AlanSmith425 | It's very mysterious. It works perfectly 100% in a VM. Just on actual hardware does it act oddly. | 06:23 |
| arraybolt3 | If sometimes autologin works and sometimes it doesn't, and especially if it's hardware-dependent, I'm guessing this is a race condition bug in LightDM itself. | 06:24 |
| arraybolt3 | Might be worth filing a bug report on. | 06:24 |
| arraybolt3 | But in the mean time, you just need the system to work. | 06:24 |
| arraybolt3 | So, here's a possibly helpful question. Is the GUI actually used? Or is it just part of the app but you never interact with it? | 06:25 |
| arraybolt3 | Meh, that's still going to lead to complicated answers though. | 06:25 |
| arraybolt3 | hmm... | 06:25 |
| AlanSmith425 | This is for a digital signage system. So I need to be able to display MPV at least. Also the other staff onsite aren't familiar with Linux so having a GUI kinda helps them if they need to change IP address or whatever. | 06:26 |
| arraybolt3 | "Further investigation on what I was seeing showed this to be a race between X starting and the intel i915 graphics kernel module being loaded (because it's not built into the kernel)." Drat. | 06:27 |
| arraybolt3 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1250875 Looks like you're running into this bug. | 06:27 |
| -ubottu:#xubuntu- Launchpad bug 1250875 in lightdm (Ubuntu) "Lightdm sometimes fails to auto login" [Undecided, Confirmed] | 06:27 | |
| arraybolt3 | I don't know if that comment is accurate or not, but it looks like this is something that's happened to other peopel. | 06:28 |
| arraybolt3 | *people | 06:28 |
| AlanSmith425 | Ah, nice find, thanks. Hmm, I already jumped ship on this system from Kubuntu to Xubuntu due to running into some obscure bug. Maybe it's time to jump to Lubuntu -_-; | 06:30 |
| arraybolt3 | What was the bug on Kubuntu? | 06:30 |
| arraybolt3 | Was it also with the greeter? | 06:30 |
| arraybolt3 | Because you should be aware that Kubuntu and Lubuntu both use the same greeter, SDDM. | 06:31 |
| arraybolt3 | (Xubuntu uses LightDM, which is different.) | 06:31 |
| arraybolt3 | AlanSmith425: OK, I found some interesting info. | 06:31 |
| arraybolt3 | Is there a ~/.dmrc file? | 06:32 |
| AlanSmith425 | No, with Kubuntu the problem was, if the system was booted when the screen was turned off, then turning the screen on wouldn't display an image. | 06:32 |
| AlanSmith425 | Yes, I have tried some troubleshooting around the ~/.dmrc file. I have tried having it, deleting it, and also changing the session name to "xfce" | 06:33 |
| arraybolt3 | Do you have an /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf file or /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d directory? | 06:33 |
| AlanSmith425 | Deleting the ~/.dmrc file sometimes causes the next boot to autologin correctly. But I couldn't get it to be fixed permanently. | 06:33 |
| AlanSmith425 | I have the lightdm.conf file. I also have the directory, but it seems to be empty. | 06:35 |
| arraybolt3 | Try opening the lightdm.conf file with nano or whatever. | 06:35 |
| arraybolt3 | (You'll need to open it as root, e.g. sudo nano /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf) | 06:35 |
| AlanSmith425 | [Seat:*] | 06:35 |
| AlanSmith425 | autologin-guest=false | 06:35 |
| AlanSmith425 | autologin-user=build | 06:35 |
| AlanSmith425 | autologin-user-timeout=0 | 06:35 |
| AlanSmith425 | (build is the correct username) | 06:36 |
| arraybolt3 | So you already did this. | 06:36 |
| AlanSmith425 | The autologin-user thing? Yeah. | 06:36 |
| arraybolt3 | Maybe the timeout field should be removed, or possibly set to -1? | 06:37 |
| arraybolt3 | (Sometimes 0 means "instant" and -1 means "indefinite".) | 06:38 |
| arraybolt3 | (I don't know if it will act that way here, but it might.) | 06:38 |
| AlanSmith425 | I have also been able to reproduce on a fresh install of xubuntu using the "login automatically" option in the installer, on this hardware. Hmm, how do I show what graphics kernel module I am using? (To check if I am running into the Intel race condition in that bug you linked to me.) | 06:38 |
| arraybolt3 | If your system has an Intel CPU and no discrete graphics card, then it's almost certainly using the i915 driver. | 06:39 |
| arraybolt3 | `lspci -k` should show you what drivers are used for what hardware. | 06:39 |
| arraybolt3 | (For at least some hardware in the system.) | 06:39 |
| AlanSmith425 | Ok, yeah, it's a small form factor corporate machine with an intel CPU. So highly likely. | 06:39 |
| AlanSmith425 | Yup, i915 | 06:40 |
| arraybolt3 | Bah. I don't have a Xubuntu ISO on my system at the moment for testing. | 06:41 |
| AlanSmith425 | Hmm, so the bug is "Confirmed" and 10 years old. I guess there's zero chance of anyone bothering to fix this anytime soon...? | 06:42 |
| arraybolt3 | Probably more like "almost no one else can reproduce the bug so it's impossible to fix". | 06:43 |
| arraybolt3 | Oh wow. My Internet is horribly slow, I won't be able to test things locally to see how to work around the bug. | 06:43 |
| arraybolt3 | Yeah, you might try Lubuntu and see if it gives you better results. I have yet to hear of Lubuntu's autologin failing to work. | 06:43 |
| AlanSmith425 | Ok, I'll give it a try. By finding that bug, you've at least saved me a few days of bashing my head against a wall :) Thanks so much. | 06:44 |
| arraybolt3 | Glad to at least try to help! :) | 06:46 |
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| simone46 | hi, I'minstalling xubuntu right now and I'm wondering about the button "skip" ... what does it skip? | 17:23 |
| xubuntu46i | Hi | 19:31 |
| xubuntu46i | I am installing Xubuntu, the last version | 19:31 |
| xubuntu46i | I am installing it in a pendrive | 19:31 |
| xubuntu46i | I want to use windows when I don't insert my pendrive in my computer | 19:33 |
| xubuntu46i | I hope I can do the boot correctly | 19:33 |
| xubuntu46i | I did the partition in my pendrive whit the root partition with a default setting | 19:34 |
| xubuntu46i | and an ESI or something called like that because it was reiquiered | 19:34 |
| xubuntu46i | I hope everything will be okay | 19:35 |
| xubuntu46i | any suggestions or opinions? | 19:35 |
| xubuntu46i | thank you | 19:35 |
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| porquilho | what are these loop2 loop18 disks when you do sudo fdisk -l | 22:40 |
| rfm | porquilho, they're artifacts of installed snaps, it's how the squashfs that holds the snap gets mounted. | 22:53 |
| porquilho | thanks | 22:53 |
| porquilho | im going to delet eit | 22:53 |
| porquilho | den | 22:53 |
| rfm | porquilho, "lsblk" will show you which loop is connected to which snap | 22:54 |
| rfm | porquilho, in general you should just ignore them | 22:54 |
| porquilho | https://i.imgur.com/RTJ4rHc.png | 22:55 |
| porquilho | is this normal | 22:55 |
| porquilho | gtk? | 22:55 |
| porquilho | i have xubuntu i dont need gtk | 22:55 |
| porquilho | what is gtk | 22:56 |
| rfm | porquilho, gtk is a graphic toolkit used by many apps, mainly GNOME related but some apps running on Xubuntu would use them. firefox may need them, I forget how to display dependencies... | 23:01 |
| porquilho | its okay | 23:01 |
| porquilho | thank yoiu | 23:01 |
| rfm | porquilho, it's "snap connections | grep firefox" and indeed firefox depends on gtk-common-themes and gnome-3-38 | 23:03 |
| porquilho | ill check then | 23:04 |
| porquilho | https://i.imgur.com/hPPCc7a.png | 23:04 |
| porquilho | rfm: | 23:05 |
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