[00:04] <FKAShinobi> What would be the recommended application to backup a workstation/server at home? I've used Amanda in the past, but it seemed old. Bacula seems nice, but I've never used it and may be overkill. To be clear, this would be a full sytem backup, not just my home directory.
[00:04] <Habbie> i use restic; this is not specifically a recommendation; it's not really an -application- anyway
[00:05] <Habbie> but it works for me
[00:08] <ogra> if you know amanda, why not stick with it ?
[00:09] <ogra> (i might be old, but it surely is reliable)
[00:10] <FKAShinobi> ogra: I wouldn't say I know it. I implemented it at one point, but that was 20 years ago. I wasn't sure if there was a better piece of software out there these days.
[00:10] <Habbie> also, "overkill" - think about what you mean by it. it's an overused word
[00:11] <FKAShinobi> Habbie: Bacula seems to have a lot of great features for the enterprise. I will probably not use much of them, but if it's easy to backup and restore from then I may be ok with that. It can't take up that much space.
[00:11] <Habbie> indeed
[00:11] <Habbie> you can often just ignore features you don't need
[00:17] <FKAShinobi> Let me ask a different question: Aside from DD, what backup utility offers quick bare metal recovery?
[00:18] <Habbie> FKAShinobi, the problem with that question is that dd doesn't offer that
[00:21] <Macwinner> is there a way to get netplan to spit out what the merged effective configuration is?
[00:22] <FKAShinobi> Habbie: Can you just write the drive image(s) back to new drives, assuming they are the same size?
[00:22] <Habbie> FKAShinobi, what images?
[00:22] <FKAShinobi> Habbie: the ones created if one used DD to backup the machine?
[00:23] <Habbie> did you shut down the machine to run dd externally?
[00:42] <morpheuz> thanks for the explanation Jeremy31
[01:20] <pycurious> Anyone knows how to fix this in my dmesg -> https://dpaste.org/vNjUR - it keeps happening forever...
[01:21] <sarnold> there's nothing to fix
[01:25] <sem> Is there any PDF program in ubuntu that allows scrolling with swipe gestures on touch screen. Okular does not seem to do that
[01:25] <sem> ubuntu/kubuntu etc
[01:30] <duuude> how to make all realtek dongles work on ubuntu?
[01:31] <sarnold> it might be easier to buy one specific type that you have success with
[01:36] <raub> Does anyone know why doing apt dist-upgrade packages such as grub-efi-amd64-signed python3-software-properties are being kept back?
[01:37] <sarnold> raub: just the usual phasing https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/phased-updates.html
[01:41] <duuude> sarnold: someone else bought one, with the packaging stating that it works on linux
[01:41] <Bashing-om> raub: For disclosure on terminal - for instance - ' apt policy python3-software-properties ' .
[02:46] <bancroft> is there a way to make apt upgrade non-interactive?
[02:46] <bancroft> like just take the package maintainers always or something
[02:47] <sarnold> try: DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get install -y whatever
[02:47] <bancroft> sarnold: thanks
[02:47] <bancroft> I had a typo in there
[03:08] <webchat1> hi, I need help, I want to get the boot menu to change OS but it doesn't show up.
[03:10] <sarnold> are you looking to get to your UEFI boot menu supplied by the bios? or the grub boot menu?
[03:10] <sarnold> do you have windows installed? is the windows fast boot thing enabled?
[03:12] <webchat1> i have Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS installed
[03:12] <webchat1> and I want to reinstall ubuntu
[03:12] <webchat1> I have an external drive with balena etcher and ubuntu to reinstall it
[03:12] <webchat1> but i cant seem to access the boot menu
[03:12] <webchat1> can you help me?
[03:13] <sarnold> to get to the grub boot menu you can probably hold down the left shift key while booting
[03:14] <webchat1> yh it doesn't work
[03:14] <webchat1> the fact that i have it installed in a macbook pro does it affect it in anyway?
[03:15] <sarnold> oh good question. it's been twenty years since I used apple hardware, but it was pretty different back then :)
[03:15] <leftyfb> webchat1: you're trying to boot off an ubuntu installer usb using a mac?
[03:15] <webchat1> i've tried pressing the cmd key while booting, the crtl key, the left shit, the right shift
[03:15] <leftyfb> webchat1: https://gist.github.com/cjonesy/2e2d8ca5e50ee1811f70
[03:16] <leftyfb> not sure if that is still relevant
[03:16] <webchat1> I have an old macbook, I then changed the OS to Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS, and now I have been having problems so I want to reinstall the Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS using an external harddrive and balena etcher to have a fresh start again.
[03:17] <webchat1> the problem is that I can't open the boot menu
[03:17] <webchat1> :D
[03:18] <webchat1> any ideas? :P
[03:18] <leftyfb> webchat1: I think you might be better off asking for help in an apple or mac IRC channel
[03:19] <webchat1> ok
[03:19] <webchat1> thank you anyways
[03:20] <lotuspsychje> webchat1: old macbook means wich model?
[03:20] <webchat1> 2015
[03:20] <webchat1> jan 2015
[03:20] <webchat1> this are the specs:
[03:21] <webchat1> Intel® Core™ i5-5257U CPU @ 2.70GHz × 4
[03:21] <webchat1> graphics: Mesa Intel® Iris(R) Graphics 6100 (BDW GT3)
[03:21] <lotuspsychje> webchat1: that model should be running ubuntu just fine
[03:21] <leftyfb> lotuspsychje: they are trying to boot a usb installer
[03:22] <lotuspsychje> mac can bootup just the same live or setup
[03:22] <leftyfb> lotuspsychje: can you walk them through how?
[03:23] <webchat1> but im not using mac os, im using ubuntu
[03:23] <lotuspsychje> just need that startup screen where all the usb/media icons showup to pick usb
[03:23] <leftyfb> lotuspsychje: right, how do you get to that screen?
[03:23] <webchat1> how yes i get that
[03:23] <leftyfb> we know the goal, just not how to achieve it
[03:23] <webchat1> correct
[03:23] <arraybolt3> webchat1: Have you tried turning the thing off, then pressing and holding the power button until the Options screen appears?
[03:24] <webchat1> the power button?
[03:24] <arraybolt3> Meh, that's for Apple Silicon macs, nvm...
[03:24] <webchat1> for mac os to bring up the boot menu is pressing the cmd button, but it doesn't work
[03:24] <lotuspsychje> webchat1: https://ubuntucommunity.s3.dualstack.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/original/2X/6/63e0ff00c2583eda7b91572a939fe05695d6afc7.png
[03:24] <lotuspsychje> think it was ctrl +f to get that screen
[03:24] <arraybolt3> webchat1: It looks like you didn't try the Option or alt key yet.
[03:25] <arraybolt3> Have you tried pressing and holding that key during poweron?
[03:25] <webchat1> no
[03:25] <arraybolt3> Do that, I think that's the key for the boot menu.
[03:25] <arraybolt3> (Source: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201255)
[03:25] <webchat1> ok
[03:26] <webchat1> if i don't come back its because it worked
[03:26] <webchat1> thanks
[03:27] <lotuspsychje> 20.04 is pretty solid for a lot of mac models
[03:27] <arraybolt3> (Off-topic, but am I the only one who's horrified that the HDDs portrayed by the Mac boot menu appear to have air inlets on them?)
[03:27] <sarnold> curious
[03:28] <sarnold> diceLibrarian: any chance you can fix your connection?
[03:33] <webchat1> im back, it didnt work
[03:33] <lotuspsychje> webchat1: what happened
[03:33] <webchat1> nothing
[03:33] <webchat1> just turned on
[03:33] <webchat1> turn of
[03:34] <webchat1> turn on*
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> did you see that screen and slect your usb?
[03:34] <webchat1> no
[03:34] <lotuspsychje> then you didnt find the right combo yet
[03:34] <webchat1> that screen did not appear
[03:34] <webchat1> its turning on and then press alt
[03:34] <webchat1> thats the combo
[03:34] <webchat1> i did it when i changed from mac os to ubuntu
[03:35] <sarnold> are you using a built-in keyboard or an external keyboard?
[03:35] <lotuspsychje> webchat1: 'If your Mac just boots to the login screen and you don’t see the boot options menu, reboot your Mac again and hold down the Option key earlier in the boot process.'
[03:36] <arraybolt3> webchat1: Just to be clear, you are: 1. Pressing the power button. 2. Immediately after the system starts to come on, pressing and holding Option/Alt. 3. Holding the key until you see the menu or login screen.
[03:36] <arraybolt3> Is that right?
[03:36] <webchat1> sarnold: built-in keyboard
[03:36] <arraybolt3> If not, try doing things just like that (sometimes systems are *very* finicky about when they will accept the keypress to get into a special menu).
[03:36] <webchat1> ok
[03:37] <arraybolt3> If that doesn't work, try variants of that (a lot of times I'm able to hammer a special key *before* starting a boot, then press the Power button and just keep hammering it until I get the menu).
[03:37] <webchat1> ok
[03:37] <webchat1> ima gonna try it
[03:37] <webchat1> again, if i dont come baack, thanks
[03:37] <arraybolt3> OK. Good luck!
[03:38] <arraybolt3> Hmm. "If you're using Boot Camp to start up from Microsoft Windows, set Startup Disk preferences to start up from macOS instead. Then shut down or restart and try again." That's worrying - maybe the boot menu is something from macOS itself?
[03:38] <arraybolt3> I hope not.
[03:50] <fireallpixels> My Bios had a 'special' option for Linux and now it boots blank. American Megatrends jan 2021 bios on Hyundai model HT14CCIC81EG
[03:59] <fireallpixels> Is this a secureboot or SGX issue with UEFI. Any magic buttons I can press before yanking out the CMOS battery?
[04:01] <arraybolt3> Yikes, there's no way to get to the BIOS menu again?
[04:02] <fireallpixels> arraybolt3: BIOS menu won't come up. It just powers on to a blank screen. I just got this machine and it came with windows preinstalled.
[04:03] <arraybolt3> So, to be clear, did you try to install Ubuntu before using this option, or did you just switch it to see what would happen while it was still using Windows?
[04:03] <fireallpixels> I switched and booted ubuntu from a usb.
[04:04] <arraybolt3> OK, so, you switched it and then it did successfully boot once to boot Ubuntu?
[04:04] <fireallpixels> nope, maybe I should remove the hard drive?
[04:04] <sarnold> "blank screen" sounds kinda vaguely afmiliar
[04:04] <sarnold> I'm probably thikning of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-oem-5.17/+bug/2002467
[04:04] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2002467 in linux-oem-5.17 (Ubuntu Jammy) "ThinkPad L14 Gen 3 blank laptop screen on bootup" [Undecided, Fix Committed]
[04:05] <arraybolt3> fireallpixels: Yeah, removing the hard drive might be worth a shot.
[04:05] <arraybolt3> Currently though I'm just guessing - there shouldn't have to be any special Linux option in a computer's BIOS (and I have never encountered such a thing), so I have *no clue* what that option does or is supposed to do.
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> fireallpixels: no underscores in left upper corner?
[04:06] <lotuspsychje> some brands do have a secret option to block installing linux
[04:06] <fireallpixels> lotuspsychje: its lit up but entirely blank and unresponsive to any button presses
[04:07] <lotuspsychje> intel something
[04:07] <fireallpixels> lotuspsychje: yeah intel
[04:07] <arraybolt3> Hyundai's website doesn't appear to have documentation on it so I can't even learn what the option does.
[04:08] <fireallpixels> The Bios had a lot of options available, doubt the machine supports half of it.
[04:08] <arraybolt3> Personally, I would remove the BIOS battery for a while and then try plugging it back in, but since I don't know how this system behaves, I don't know if that will cause problems or result in critical information being lost, so if you choose to do that, do so at your own risk.
[04:09] <lotuspsychje> fireallpixels: make sure secureboot is disabled and fastboot, if that doesnt help you might dig deeper for another option or the link sarnold proposed
[04:09] <fireallpixels> arraybolt3: I thought of that but cmos battery is glued in there... shoddy craftsmanship
[04:09] <arraybolt3> I don't know of any special shortcuts for getting around secure boot, SGX, etc. And if you can't boot or get into the BIOS or anything, then...
[04:09] <arraybolt3> fireallpixels: Oh wow.
[04:09] <arraybolt3> Did your system come with a manual?
[04:11] <arraybolt3> You might also try just leaving it at the black screen for a while.
[04:11] <arraybolt3> fireallpixels: ^
[04:11] <fireallpixels> arraybolt3: it was purchased new, but not much of a manual
[04:11] <arraybolt3> Sometimes a system will "freeze" at a black screen for longer than normal and then suddenly start working.
[04:11] <arraybolt3> I've had this happen after flashing the BIOS on a Chromebook.
[04:11] <fireallpixels> I was thinking of running the battery down since its not removeable and has no pinhole reset.
[04:12] <arraybolt3> Also possibly worth a shot if it doesn't just come out of it after a while.
[04:12] <arraybolt3> Did the system give you any description of what the option did before you activated it?
[04:13] <fireallpixels> None, but it had other options like Android
[04:13] <arraybolt3> Sheesh.
[04:13] <arraybolt3> OK, well then maybe we can experiment around with bootable drives.
[04:13] <arraybolt3> Perhaps the Linux mode tries to load a Linux kernel and ramdisk directly or something.
[04:14] <fireallpixels> like one of those tiny toram images?
[04:14] <arraybolt3> Maybe. If it has other operating system options, that might be waht it's doing.
[04:14] <arraybolt3> Perhaps the Linux mode switched it to some weird bootloader.
[04:14] <arraybolt3> In that event, you know what? Lemme see if Hyundai has any special Linux distros of their own.
[04:15] <arraybolt3> Maybe the option is designed to boot just that.
[04:17] <arraybolt3> Sigh. I can't find one. I thought there was some sort of weird OS that Hyundai made specifically for some of their laptops, but I can't find it.
[04:20] <fireallpixels> arraybolt3: they do a lot of dashboard installs for cars.
[07:47] <oerheks>  
[08:21] <ducasse> arraybolt3: n a lot of systems selecting 'linux' in the firmware just disables secure boot
[08:32] <arraybolt3> ducasse: Odd. I haven't ever run into a single system with an option like that. Equally odd that doing so would lock a user out of their OS and the BIOS...
[08:33] <arraybolt3> Maybe Hyundai is just a bad brand of computer :P
[08:33] <ducasse> my desktop has an option like that, not sure about this laptop
[09:03] <rdz> hey all. I've switched laptop models and would like to configure the shortcut for opening gnome-control-center as it was before. On the old model, the F9 key had a gear wheel printed on it and it would launch gnome-control-center. New laptop lacks a key with gear wheel, so I would like to repurpose F9 to launch gnome-control-center. However, It seems i can only configure short-cuts as F keys, but
[09:03] <rdz> not as Fn keys (with Fn implicitly pressed).
[09:04] <rdz> What works: Fn + F9 to launch gnome-control-center. Is there a way to make F9 (without Fn) launch it?
[09:11] <NickH> I'd check what the key is called by running wev and pressing it.
[09:11] <NickH> Then bind that to launch it.
[09:12] <NickH> Alternativly, perhaps your laptop has a "Fn Lock" key.
[09:39] <ogra> rdz, most laptops have a setting the the UEFI/BIOS settings to flip the behavior of the fn+F* keys, i'd take a look ...
[09:54] <Fravialis> Hi, does /usr/bin/pro config set apt_news=false no longer get rid of the stupid spam in apt?
[09:54] <Fravialis> I get this nonsense pro commericial crap when I'm logging into a VM via ssh
[09:54] <Fravialis> Why?
[09:54] <Fravialis> commercial*
[09:54] <Fravialis> I explicitly told this to stop, as explained above
[09:56] <Fravialis> Does Ubuntu truly want to lose their entire professional userbase?
[09:56] <Fravialis> You cannot possibly get people like me, who've been around for decades using Debian and Debian derivatives, any angrier
[09:56] <ogra> Fravialis, are you an enterprise ?
[09:57] <Fravialis> Nope
[09:57] <ogra> then it is completely free for you
[09:57] <Fravialis> Errr
[09:57] <ogra> and dont you like to know that there are free security updates that have not existed before ? ... ones that canonical makes enterprises pay for to provide tem to you for free
[09:58] <Fravialis> Are you aware that Ubuntu lives off of the hard volunteer work of tens of thousands of Debian volunteers as well?
[09:58] <Fravialis> Just so you know
[09:58] <ogra> i surely do ... but how does that matter ?
[09:59] <Fravialis> Okay, so I gather the promise to get rid of this through pro config was rescindedf?
[09:59] <ogra> canonical pays an additional team to provide security updates for 20000+ packages tat not even debian provides security updates for
[10:00] <ogra> they are tw completely different things
[10:00] <ogra> *two
[10:00] <Fravialis> ogra: yeah, that is an assertion. An assertion that heavily implies Ubuntu actually *produces* security updates at this volume. A very unproven assertion that anybody could make to assert authority over the FOSS landscape.
[10:01] <Fravialis> Look, I've been around since about '99 in the FOSS world
[10:01] <Fravialis> You can't snowball me on this stuff
[10:01] <Fravialis> But ok
[10:01] <ogra> ne is "anouncements in apt" ... the other is a standard apt feature (telling about available security fixes) that apt has always done
[10:01] <Fravialis> I accept that this is the new reality for Ubuntu
[10:01] <Fravialis> Now I'll hack my way out of this stuff and publish my work.
[10:01] <ogra> you can turn off the announcement ...
[10:01] <Fravialis> That's how it works with FOSS, so challenge accepted.
[10:02] <Fravialis> I tried pro config set apt_news=false, it no longer works
[10:02] <Fravialis> Or the definition of "works" has changed again
[10:02] <ogra> ?? it clearly turns off the "news" stuff
[10:02] <ogra> it does not hide apts notices about available security updates
[10:03] <ogra> two different features on two different levels of apt
[10:04] <Fravialis> You mean, message like this:
[10:04] <Fravialis>  * Introducing Expanded Security Maintenance for Applications.
[10:04] <Fravialis>    Receive updates to over 25,000 software packages with your
[10:04] <Fravialis>    Ubuntu Pro subscription. Free for personal use.
[10:05] <Fravialis> And I'll refrain from posting the Kubernetes promotion/spam, I might trigger a flood warning/bot
[10:05] <ogra> with a list of packages following (or prefixed, i forgot)
[10:06] <ogra> would you prefer it showed you security updates witout telling you how to actually get them ?
[10:10] <sakrecoer[bpist]> hi! i'm running 2 22.04 boxes and they both recently started tell me i need ESM to get security upgrades. I don't understand why. From the website i gather this should not apply for the current LTS?
[10:11] <sakrecoer[bpist]> running two* 22.04 boxes
[10:11] <ravage> !ubuntupro
[10:11] <ravage> It is available for 22.04
[10:12] <ogra> for 20.04 too 😉
[10:12] <ravage> And 18.04
[10:12] <sakrecoer[bpist]> I read those links ravage , what i gather from it is that it should only start telling me about it that on 22.04 in 2027
[10:13] <Fravialis> sakrecoer[bpist]: I'm looking into it, just as annoyed as you are
[10:13] <Fravialis> sakrecoer[bpist]: check /run/motd.dynamic
[10:13] <ravage> No. You already get security updates for universe packages now
[10:13] <Fravialis> That's a start
[10:13] <ogra> sakrecoer[bpist], it is new security support for 23000 packages in universe that did not exist until two weeks ago
[10:13] <ogra> it applies to all supprted LTS releases
[10:13] <sakrecoer[bpist]> wow, are you saying imagemagick-6-common did not recieve security upgrades?
[10:14] <ogra> yes
[10:14] <ogra> never
[10:14] <Fravialis> Uh
[10:14] <ogra> universe was always best effort
[10:14] <Fravialis> Except those through upstream.
[10:14] <ogra> so it might have seen one or the other in the past ... but usually no reliable
[10:14] <Fravialis> Unless they were explicitly filtered out.
[10:14] <sakrecoer[bpist]> i can see how people would be upset to have package list tied to an identifier...
[10:14] <Fravialis> Honestly, what the hell is going on here?
[10:15] <ogra> Fravialis, filtered out ?
[10:15] <ravage> Fravialis: https://pod.haxxors.com/posts/4660df808535013b45920d656c5dc7a3
[10:15] <ravage> That disables everything if you don't want security
[10:15] <ogra> security updates to universe packages always only happened if someone from the community stepped up to do them ... which was a very rare case
[10:15] <Fravialis> "If I don't want security" - lol - this is pure blackmail
[10:15] <ogra> ... and which is the reason why canonical decided to inverst into it ... by making thers pay for them for you
[10:16] <ogra> *others
[10:16] <Fravialis> Listen, I get security whether you like it or not, from upstream, from Debian if I'd like
[10:16] <ogra> if you just ignore the message, nothign changes for you compared to the last 18 years
[10:16] <Fravialis> You can't stop that no matter the corporate threats
[10:16] <ogra> Fravialis, how exactly ?
[10:16] <sakrecoer[bpist]> tough nut to crack. I'm not entirely convinced by the method employed, but neither am i in a position to propose any alternatives.
[10:17] <ogra> i.e. how d they arrive on your machine ?
[10:17] <ogra> *how would
[10:17] <sakrecoer[bpist]> well, thanks for the info anyways!
[10:17] <Fravialis> ogra: it can run the gamut from transparently proxying the apt repository and superimposing package overrides to entire solutions like Orcharhino, but you're ignoring th efact that security fixes also come from upstream
[10:18] <Fravialis> There are literally infinite options
[10:18] <Fravialis> That's FOSS, and Canonical doesn't control it
[10:18] <ogra> Fravialis, again ... how would these be turned into deb packages that are compatible with the ubuntu archive ... packaging does not just "magically appear"
[10:19] <ogra> packages need to be built from source against the libs in the archive, using the same compiler flags used everywhere in ubuntu, being tested against all their dependencies
[10:19] <Fravialis> I know what packaging is ogra, I've been around two decades, I've read the Debian policy document front to back. I've built packages, yes. I've maintained packages
[10:19] <ogra> that is non-trivial amount of work
[10:19] <ravage> This really is a discussion and not a support request anymore
[10:19] <Fravialis> Ah, and now the power play
[10:20] <ogra> Fravialis, well, if you want to maintain the universe packages yourself, and ignore the ubuntu arcive, thats totally up to you
[10:20] <ogra> wht power play?
[10:20] <ogra> it is a *new* featur that has neve existed in ubuntu
[10:20] <ogra> it is offered to you for free ... tak it or not, as you like
[10:21] <Fravialis> It's a bit like "It's always sunny" - you can continue to voice your opposition to this nonsense, but it is now no longer a "question" but a "discussion", so take note of the implication.
[10:21] <Fravialis> Sure, I've seen enough.
[10:21] <rdz> ogra: thanks re UEFI Fn keys. I don't want to change the default. I would like to repurpose an Fn key to launch gnome-control-center.
[10:22] <rdz> ogra: but it seems those functions are not exposed as key presses. Like 'xev' doesn't show anything when I change the volume. So, maybe it is not possible
[10:22] <ogra> rdz, https://askubuntu.com/a/818421 perhaps ?
[10:23] <Fravialis> One more thing: go to /etc/pam.d/sshd and: #session    optional     pam_motd.so  motd=/run/motd.dynamic
[10:23] <Fravialis> :-)
[11:18] <tuxick> anyone happen to know which package/postinst runs update-alternatives --config php-fpm.sock? to my suprise it's not in php8.x-fpm
[11:37] <athos> tuxick: check php-defaults
[11:41] <nomicon_> Howdy.
[11:44] <nomicon_> I'm trying to figure out why my Ubuntu machines is not setting up their transient hostnames as I would expect. My lab environment has an ISC dhcpd server that offers an internal subnet which has PTR records. I.e lab-${IP}.somedomain. On systems that uses NetworkManager (such as RHEL) this works fine, NetworkManager will successfully set the transient hostname to lab-123.somedomain, while the Ubuntu
[11:44] <nomicon_> servers that uses networkd defaults to 'localhost' as transient hostname
[12:00] <oerheks> nomicon_, you need the avahi deamon for that
[12:00] <oerheks> !info avahi-deamon
[12:01] <oerheks> !info avahi
[12:01] <oerheks> oh
[12:02] <oerheks> !info avahi jammy
[12:02] <oerheks> !find avahi
[12:02] <oerheks> !info avahi-daemon
[12:02] <oerheks> it was a typo
[12:03] <pertho> is there a good, idempotent way of updating /etc/pam.d/common-auth to add 'auth  required  pam_group.so use_first_pass'? One of the dpkg-reconfigure commands? Or maybe a pam command to run?
[12:03] <pertho> does pam-auth-update do it?
[12:12] <pertho> ahh fixed it.. never mind
[12:47] <TESTX> Hi
[12:49] <Bigsista> hey all
[12:50] <bittin_work> hi
[12:52] <Bigsista> I'vo got a stock Ubuntu 20.04 box. eth0 is DHCP and I get 3 nameservers from DHCP which end up in /etc/resolv.conf -> /run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf. what do i need to edit to force _only_ `nameserver 127.0.0.1`
[12:53] <Bigsista> TBH i don't get which part (networkmanager, netplan, dhcpclient, whuteva) changes the resolv.conf in the end.
[12:54] <ravage> is this a desktop or a server install?
[12:55] <Bigsista> desktop
[12:55] <ravage> then networkmanager does it. but even on a desktop install your systemd-resolvd should only include 127.0.0.1
[12:57] <Bigsista> So somebody already messed it up, you think?
[12:57] <ravage> possibly
[12:57] <ravage> if you enter 127.0.0.1 and reboot it changes again?
[12:57] <Bigsista> yes
[12:57] <ravage> that should not happen at all
[12:58] <Bigsista> "Rhis file is managed by man:systemd-resolved(8). Do not edit."
[12:58] <ravage> The resolver can be configured by editing /etc/systemd/resolved.conf and/or drop-in .conf files in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf.d
[12:58] <ravage> maybe something is in there?
[12:58] <Bigsista> will check
[12:59] <Bigsista> Finding "DNSStubListener = no" here...
[12:59] <ravage> my config only has comments
[13:00] <ravage> so try the same
[13:00] <ravage> the only line is [Resolve] really
[13:01] <Bigsista> trying right now.
[13:02] <tuxick> athos: sorry, check what for php-defaults?
[13:03] <BluesKaj> Hi ajj
[13:09] <TESTX> hi
[13:09] <NeEM0002> hi
[13:57] <Guest21> Any ideas when I suspend my ubuntu live usb why my PC turns back on by itself?
[14:00] <Yasser> hi
[14:02] <Yasser> i have a problem with steam, it gives an fatal error everytime i try to launch it, Fatal error: steam needs to be online to be updated
[14:02] <Yasser> but i am connected to the wifi
[14:02] <Yasser> tried every solution i could find online and nothing helped
[14:05] <ravage> and how did you install steam?
[14:05] <ravage> which ubutu version?
[14:06] <leftyfb> my guess is snap which is lacking a connector
[14:07] <happymeal> Yasser: have you tried these first couple ideas: https://askubuntu.com/questions/227956/steam-fatal-error-steam-needs-to-be-online-to-update-but-was-set-to-offline-mo ?
[14:07] <leftyfb> or https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/5neu72/comment/dcdblvu/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
[14:11] <ravage> he already tried everything. how can we top that? :)
[14:13] <ogra> leftyfb, gven how much the steam snap is under active testing currently, that would be surprising (the snap network plug auto-connects)
[14:14] <ravage> dbus doesnt i learned. pending review :P
[14:14] <ravage> or it does but requires manual review
[14:14] <ogra> it does ...
[14:15] <ogra> but if the snap made it to the store it has been reviewed ...
[14:15] <ravage> yep
[14:15] <ogra> (reviews happen on upload)
[14:15] <ravage> waiting patiently
[14:17] <ravage> but gave me time to clean up the yaml a little
[14:17] <Bigsista> ravage: got it figured out and truth is sad.
[14:19] <Bigsista> ubuntu 20.04 is using netplan.io for dhcpclient stuff by default. there is a documented way to overrride dns servers from dhcp. BUT in fact it does not work as expected.
[14:20] <ogra> well, netplan only configures systemd-networkd after all ...
[14:20] <Bigsista> nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx from DHCP will always be added to /etc/resolv.conf - no matter what you try
[14:20] <ogra> (i.e. it does not talk to or touch dhclient)
[14:21] <ogra> tere should be ways to override a DHCP provided DNS via netplan config and i think that is even in the examples on netplan.io
[14:21] <ogra> *there
[14:21] <Ishytha> Hello guys. Kinetic disabled Livepatch. Does that mean that there is no reason to keep my Ubuntu Pro subscription?
[14:21] <ravage> livepatch is for LTS releases
[14:21] <Yasser> happymeal yes i have
[14:21] <Bigsista>     eth0:
[14:21] <Bigsista>       dhcp4: yes
[14:21] <Bigsista>       dhcp4-overrides:
[14:21] <Bigsista>         use-dns: false
[14:21] <Bigsista>       nameservers:
[14:21] <Bigsista>         addresses: [127.0.0.1]
[14:21] <ogra> like ubuntu pro is
[14:22] <Ishytha> Thank you!
[14:23] <ogra> Bigsista, use a pastebin or even better: termbin.com  ... your indendation looks wrong on first sight (indendation is essential in yaml)
[14:23] <Bigsista> sorry. IRC... yes... too used to mattermost, slack and stuff, my bad.
[14:23] <Ishytha> Hm. 22.04 is LTS
[14:24] <ravage> but thats jammy. not kinetic
[14:24] <Ishytha> Blimey. Right, you are. Thanks guys.
[14:25] <Bigsista> ogra: indetation is fine. i'll get my configured nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf. they are last and on top i get those from DHCP
[14:26] <Bigsista> no way to prevent netplan from putting them into resolv.conf
[14:26] <ogra> Bigsista, perhaps someone in #netplan could help ?
[14:31] <Ishytha> I will need to revert to Jammy from Kinetic. Any recommendations of the best way to do that please?
[14:33] <ravage> backup your files and reinstall
[14:33] <ravage> there is no downgrade procedure
[14:34] <Ishytha> Roger that, thank you!
[14:39] <cyberwolf> hi, after updating the ubuntu-advantage-tools package, what does the configuration file "/etc/ubuntu-advantage/uaclient.conf" look like
[14:39] <ravage> you should have it on your system?
[14:40] <oerheks> cyberwolf, why do you ask?
[14:42] <cyberwolf> well it looks different
[14:43] <ravage> its called an update. that happens
[14:43] <ravage> but i would say 99,9% of users dont care about that file
[14:43] <oerheks> after the update it looks like this; https://imgur.com/gallery/JrSO8zh
[14:44] <ogra> unless you had disabled phasing and did hit https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+bug/2003977
[14:44] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 2003977 in ubuntu-advantage-tools (Ubuntu Lunar) "Disabling apt spam results in a conffile prompt on upgrade" [Critical, Fix Released]
[14:44] <ogra> (rude title ...)
[14:45] <cyberwolf> https://paste.systemli.org/?2717e2844e615d0e#59HJGtGdFynHg5eLBfWHJp9CvNBpCHesCun49CT1fFJa
[14:46] <nomicon_> oerheks: Hmm ok. My servers (Default installation of 22.04) do have avahi-daemon running though.
[14:48] <cyberwolf> should i change the file by hand?
[14:49] <ogra> what do you want to change ?
[14:49] <oerheks> did you already change it?
[14:51] <ogra> and no, you should not touch it, instead use the "pro config ..." command
[14:52] <cyberwolf> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/canonical/ubuntu-advantage-client/main/uaclient.conf
[14:53] <cyberwolf> configuration file "/etc/ubuntu-advantage/uaclient.conf"
[14:54] <cyberwolf> https://paste.systemli.org/?2717e2844e615d0e#59HJGtGdFynHg5eLBfWHJp9CvNBpCHesCun49CT1fFJa
[14:55] <cyberwolf> How does the file look like for you?
[14:55] <ogra> cyberwolf, any reason you post the same thing over and over ?
[14:55] <ogra> and why do you care how the file looks ? it is managed by the "pro config ..." commands
[14:56] <ogra> so it might look different for everyone who ever called a pro config command to change anything
[14:58] <cyberwolf> okay, I'll go virtualka up
[14:58] <nomicon_> gah.. banging my head against the wall for to many hours now. I can't seem to understand what's required for systemd-networkd to set the transient hostname to whatever the PTR would be for the ipaddress my isc dhdcpd is assigning my Ubuntu clients.
[14:58] <nomicon_> This works without any additional configuration/modification with NetworkManager
[15:01] <ogra> nomicon_, i'd try asking in #netplan
[15:03] <nomicon_> Ok ogra, thank you.
[15:30] <fireallpixels> arraybolt3: still trying to get this laptop's bios out of "Linux" mode! ᕦ(ò_óˇ)
[17:19] <Muligan> has anybody some directions/article to reference for nfs4 multipathing (client ubuntu 20.04/22.04, server: truenas core)
[18:23] <kali__> hello, guys
[18:34] <legrandtech[m]> Hello I was directed here by Ubuntu Studio Support. What channel would I go for help with an unrecognized wireless card. I've tried different flavors of Linux but Ubuntu I have problems with. I tested the wireless card with MacOS and it works.
[19:14] <pagios>   make_connection_snum: canonicalize_connect_path failed for service visualstudio, path /home/kali/ browseable = yes  << samba error cant connectto share why
[19:15] <leftyfb> !kali | pagios
[19:23]  * legrandtech[m] uploaded an image: (105KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/rvMmOqicgDkDwWotsNwDzKta/PXL_20230207_171708470.MP.jpg >
[19:24] <legrandtech[m]> I tested the wireless card with MacOS and it works. When I go back to Ubuntu studio I get to this menu and when I press restart nothing happens. If I manually restart the additional drivers does not stay on broadcom and goes back to do not use the device
[19:31] <tomreyn> legrandtech[m]: if you have secureboot on, try disabling that and retry the process you described above.
[19:35] <tomreyn> other than that, all i can think of is that the proprietary driver does not work for your wireless chipset for some reason.
[19:40] <toddc> legrandtech[m]: this may help and at least help to identify what the card is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[20:06]  * bougyman shakes fist at pipewire.
[20:07] <bougyman> Is there a drop-in replacement for pacmd?
[20:07] <bougyman> Trying to follow the instructions on https://antlionaudio.com/blogs/news/real-time-microphone-noise-reduction-linux-guide but unfortunately pacmd tells me there's no pulse server.
[20:07] <bougyman> I didn't even know ubuntu had shoved pipewire onto my system :(
[20:08] <TaxHaywon> I am seeing this message while updating ...
[20:08] <TaxHaywon> 7 additional security updates can be applied with ESM Apps.
[20:08] <TaxHaywon> Learn more about enabling ESM Apps service at https://ubuntu.com/esm
[20:08] <TaxHaywon> The following security updates require Ubuntu Pro with 'esm-apps' enabled:
[20:08] <TaxHaywon>   imagemagick libopenexr25 libmagickcore-6.q16-6-extra libmagickwand-6.q16-6
[20:08] <TaxHaywon>   imagemagick-6.q16 libmagickcore-6.q16-6 imagemagick-6-common
[20:09] <bougyman> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pipewire/pipewire/-/issues/357 gah. no pacmd equivalent in pipewire.
[20:09] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 357 in pipewire/pipewire "What is missing for pacmd to work with pipewire?" [Closed]
[20:09] <bougyman> _this_ must be my zoom never works for me anymore, too.
[20:09] <sarnold> TaxHaywon: it's better to use a pastebin site like paste.debian.org or paste.ubuntu.com
[20:09] <bougyman> Gah. Any way to rip pipewire out and get pulse back in, unobstrusively?
[20:09] <sarnold> !pro
[20:09] <sarnold> !ubuntu pro
[20:09] <TaxHaywon> Sorry about that chaps
[20:09] <sarnold> cmon bot
[20:10] <ravage> !ubuntupro
[20:10] <bougyman> Any doc would be appreciated. I hate using youtube videos for tech stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tsW6RNhFv4
[20:10] <TaxHaywon> I did not see any free option. It shows USD 25 yearly fee.
[20:10] <sarnold> TaxHaywon: anyway, there's new universe updates available via an ubuntu pro subscription; there's two free tiers available, too, so it's not just for big spenders https://ubuntu.com/pro
[20:10] <sarnold> bougyman: isn't 'pacmd' just a tool to control the pulse audio daemon?
[20:11] <sarnold> bougyman: you'll want to figure out what purpose is being served by the various commands and see if there's a reason to run them, or how else to configure that specific thing, in pipewire
[20:12] <bougyman> sarnold: or I can just go back to pulse.
[20:12] <bougyman> Since I can't control how 3rd parties (like zoom and slack) are going to interface with it.
[20:12] <bougyman> Both verified to use pacmd, as well.
[20:12] <bougyman> I'm not saying they should, but reality is reality.
[20:13] <bougyman> They're doing it, and I can't use my noise cancelling mic because of it.
[20:13] <bougyman> Works great in google hangouts and on some other services.
[20:13] <sarnold> bougyman: interesting; it's probably worth a bug report for both zoom and slack in the meantime
[20:14] <bougyman> Like I have time to follow up on _that_! Haha. I see it's already on Zoom's issue list. I'll +1 it and make sure slack has the same.
[20:14] <sarnold> yeah :/
[20:15] <sarnold> none of these instructions are right, but the config file might be handy, and it might be a good source of hints to follow https://medium.com/@gamunu/linux-noise-cancellation-b9f997f6764d
[20:15] <bougyman> pipewire isn't very friendly with OBS, either.
[20:15] <bougyman> In fact I keep a mac around specifically to run OBS on since it's so fragile on pipewire.
[20:16] <sarnold> ouch :(
[20:17] <sarnold> I had so far heard mostly good things about pipewire :( this is a bummer
[20:17] <TaxHaywon> can someone share the nmap command to detailed scan and list ssh vulnerabilities? my ssh box, running internally, is on port 2222
[20:20] <bougyman> Nice, thanks sarnold !
[20:20] <bougyman> I don't think it's a failure in pipewire, rather some tight coupling in the software (Zoom, OBS, etc) to pulseaudio they did on the software side.
[20:21] <bougyman> That's obviously the case with the ones who call out to pacmd.
[20:21] <bougyman> OBS is ancient and a beast of a codebase.
[20:21] <bougyman> So who knows what dragons lie in wait there.
[20:28] <sarnold> TaxHaywon: sorry, got distracted .. load up https://ubuntu.com/pro and search for "free"
[20:29] <sarnold> bougyman: yeah -- but those programs need to understand that change is coming, and if they want to work on fedora today, ubuntu and debian soon, they'll need to adapt to the changing landscape :(
[20:32] <TaxHaywon> Sorry sarnold, I'm blind as a bat, cannot find the freebie link.
[20:33] <sarnold> TaxHaywon: argh :(
[20:34] <oerheks> nmap command to detailed scan and list ssh vulnerabilities ,, such tasks are available in Kali, i guess, or easy to find bing; https://geekflare.com/nmap-vulnerability-scan/
[20:34] <oerheks> https://github.com/vulnersCom/nmap-vulners.git
[20:34] <sarnold> hmm I can see the "Anyone can use Ubuntu Pro for free on up to 5 machines, or 50 if you are an official Ubuntu Community member." text both when logged in and when using a private firefox window
[20:35] <arraybolt3> TaxHaywon: Lemme find it...
[20:35] <TaxHaywon> Many thanks!
[20:36] <arraybolt3> It's the "Your Subscriptions" button - if you have an Ubuntu One account, you'll just automatically have 5 free licenses there. Link: https://ubuntu.com/pro/dashboard
[20:36] <arraybolt3> Note that you don't *have* to enable Ubuntu Pro.
[20:36] <arraybolt3> The updates being mentioned there are things that are in the Universe repo and haven't usually gotten security updates in the past - Ubuntu Pro is a new thing for getting even those packages updated. Your system will still be as secure as it was in the past without Ubuntu Pro.
[20:37] <sarnold> *nod* only if you want universe security updates
[20:37] <arraybolt3> Personally, unless you have a good reason to enable it, I'd ignore the message and just go about the rest of your life as always.
[20:41] <TaxHaywon> Makes more sense. Thanks for the clarification that I don't need Pro to keep my box secure.
[20:42] <oerheks> openssl update..
[20:43] <TaxHaywon> Just ran the standard "sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade -y" to update all.
[20:48] <arraybolt3> +1
[20:48] <arraybolt3> Out of curiosity, what are the differences between full-upgrade and dist-upgrade, or are they the same thing?
[20:50] <ravage> manpage for apt says "full-upgrade performs the function of upgrade but will remove currently installed packages if this is needed to upgrade the system as a whole."
[20:51] <ravage> and for apt-get it still shows dist-upgrade. with different functionality
[20:51] <ravage> but i guess at some point apt-get added full-upgrade to as an alias(?)
[20:53] <oerheks> apt dist-upgrade does not remove packages?
[20:54] <sarnold> it does
[20:54] <sarnold> I've seen more than one bug report from completely hosed systems because a dist-upgrade removed something important
[20:55] <arraybolt3> I've only ever nuked one system with a full-upgrade and that was a Debian Sid VM that I wasn't paying attention with.
[20:56] <arraybolt3> Still it's probably wise to pay attention even on Ubuntu, since people make mistakes.
[22:04] <BinarySavior> I think my GPU pulls too much power for my power supply, when running gpu intesnive operations my computer turns off, is there a way to confirm if this is the case?
[22:08] <sarnold> BinarySavior: I can't think of anything software wise that could help; maybe someone in #hardware would have a suggestion on how to firm that up?
[22:08] <sarnold> BinarySavior: it sure seems like a plausible guess to me, though; it might be worth just buying a much bigger powersupply and testing?
[22:09] <BinarySavior> sarnold, thanks, I just checked my specs and my power supply does not meet the requirements for my vcard
[22:09] <BinarySavior> I just ordered a new one, gonna walk the dogs then go pick it up :D
[22:09] <sarnold> BinarySavior: awesome :D have fun :D
[22:20] <theorem> yasss
[22:32] <bougyman> sarnold: thanks for that medium article. I have noise cancelling in pipewire filter now, _and_ that noise cancelled device appears to work in zoom! (but not slack)
[22:32] <bougyman> Haven't gotten to the bottom of that, but I don't use slack huddles much, so not a huge deal.
[23:09] <Rodeo> is there any ubuntu IRC channel where one could report potentially inappropriate content on an ubuntu wiki page? or is there an email/contact form for said wiki?
[23:16] <sarnold> bougyman: oh sweet! halfway there, yay :) thanks
[23:17] <sarnold> Rodeo: rt@ubuntu.com if it doesn't need to be handled right away; rt@ubuntu.com and #canonical-sysadmin if it must be handled quickly
[23:23] <arraybolt3> Rodeo: Link me the page, I have Wiki editor permission and can fix it.
[23:23] <arraybolt3> (In a private message please.)
[23:24] <arraybolt3> I also know who to talk to about the user who made the offending change if necessary.
[23:29] <arraybolt3> I have to go away from the computer for a bit, but I can take a look at it when I get back.