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| sakrecoer[bpist] | <Eickmeyer> "Settoshi (UTC+1): #ubuntu:libera..." <- so it's not a bug. it's a change that was introduced a couple days ago... | 10:19 |
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| sakrecoer[bpist] | they told me it delivers security fixes to packages that haven't seen any in many years... | 10:19 |
| sakrecoer[bpist] | but to get them i need to get one of those keys (5 are free for individuals and 100 for community members) | 10:20 |
| sakrecoer[bpist] | one of the packages is imagemagick-6-common | 10:20 |
| sakrecoer[bpist] | i'm not entirely convinced about this approach tbh, but it is what it is i guess.. and there's always the option to migrate. :) | 10:22 |
| oerheks | i had that imagemagick issue too, yesterday | 10:23 |
| oerheks | these packages were held back; software-properties-gtk update-notifier update-notifier-common python3-software-properties software-properties-common | 10:23 |
| oerheks | after that, and a reboot, i got this new screen, and could enable aps https://imgur.com/gallery/JrSO8zh .. and the imagemagick packages could be updated. | 10:24 |
| sakrecoer[bpist] | were you able to that without a ID key oerheks ? | 10:25 |
| sakrecoer[bpist] | i don't mind having to configure stuff, but i can see why people would get upset to have a their package list tied to an identifier... | 10:26 |
| oerheks | no, i have the ID enabled, for livepatch, not for ESM 10 year support | 10:29 |
| sakrecoer[bpist] | where do i find that window in KDE? | 10:29 |
| sakrecoer[bpist] | i found the window, but i don't have the tab... | 10:30 |
| oerheks | oh, this is gnome | 10:30 |
| sakrecoer[bpist] | never mind, i know how to do it in cli... was just curious | 10:31 |
| sakrecoer[bpist] | I'm not super happy about this change tbh 😅 And the lingo on the website made it really hard to find the free tier. Not to mention that the unfree tier are way beyond my budget :D | 10:31 |
| sakrecoer[bpist] | i mean gratis tier, as in "free beer". | 10:33 |
| legrandtech[m] | Good Morning, Afternoon, Evening. | 11:30 |
| legrandtech[m] | I had a very simple question, how do I enable the wireless card on my MacBook pro. On Linux mint I just go to the driver section and then enable it but I can't find an equivalent here on Ubuntu studio. | 15:32 |
| Eickmeyer | legrandtech[m]: Macbook pro needs a special driver. Go to System Settings > Hardware Drivers (or something to that effect, don't have that system on right now). | 15:34 |
| Eickmeyer | sakrecoer[bpist]: Nothing has changed. Apparently, it's a new place you can enable that allows those packages to be updated, but it costs money to pay people to update those packages. Free for up to 5 machines, up to 50 for Ubuntu members. You can remove the message by removing 'ubuntu-advantage-tools'. | 15:36 |
| Eickmeyer | oerheks: ^ | 15:36 |
| Eickmeyer | Reason: Python 2 packages are EOL and full of security holes, so they're not updated (nor in the repository for 22.04 anyhow). | 15:37 |
| legrandtech[m] | <Eickmeyer> "legrandtech: Macbook pro needs a..." <- I don't have Hardware Drivers as an option. Maybe I'll try reinstalling the OS | 15:39 |
| Eickmeyer | legrandtech[m]: That doesn't seem right. I don't have the exact name. Look in the column on the left, there should be something that says drivers. | 15:40 |
| OvenWerks | legrandtech[m]: you can find them with muon. | 15:41 |
| OvenWerks | legrandtech[m]: muon ->settings->configure software sources | 15:42 |
| OvenWerks | a window pops up look in the aditional drivers tab | 15:42 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | legrandtech: System Settings > Driver Manager is what I meant | 15:43 |
| legrandtech[m] | Genius | 15:43 |
| legrandtech[m] | Muon has it, testing now | 15:43 |
| * Eickmeyer[m] uploaded an image: (7KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/DwAfMqWfnJiBxEfcmYNpaKei/clipboard.png > | 15:43 | |
| OvenWerks | I am sure I have seen it in the settings ap as well but I can never find it when I want it. | 15:43 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | OvenWerks: You're going to have to stop pointing people to Muon, it's going to be removed from future releases. | 15:44 |
| legrandtech[m] | Looking for it the other way too | 15:44 |
| OvenWerks | :P bad news as there is nothing worth while to replace it yet | 15:44 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | That said, Additional drivers will be available directly in the menu in future releases. | 15:44 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | We'll have to seed Synaptic again. | 15:45 |
| legrandtech[m] | Eickmeyer[m]: Driver Manager is not available, I found the other manually. | 15:46 |
| OvenWerks | synaptic has the same-ish menu | 15:46 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | legrandtech: That's not right then. What version are you on? | 15:46 |
| legrandtech[m] | * Driver Manager is not available, I found the other settings manually. | 15:46 |
| legrandtech[m] | Ubuntu Studio 22.04 | 15:47 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | Looks like I have a couple things to look at. Ran into a couple of bug reports this morning. >_< | 15:48 |
| * legrandtech[m] uploaded an image: (106KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/vLCMpQmDgJKmmMwFlilXwpwz/PXL_20230207_154856673.jpg > | 15:50 | |
| * legrandtech[m] uploaded an image: (87KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/LiPPzUhbGAicUdHZmyRaZVtN/PXL_20230207_154848717.jpg > | 15:50 | |
| legrandtech[m] | Okay, this is what shows for me. | 15:50 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | legrandtech: NOOOO, the system settings application, not the menu. | 15:50 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | Think control panel. | 15:50 |
| legrandtech[m] | <Eickmeyer[m]> "legrandtech: NOOOO, the system..." <- Got it, it took me the same route as Muon but much faster, thanks. I now ran into another issue where it says this device is not working. | 15:57 |
| * legrandtech[m] uploaded an image: (135KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/fPIYElcCYNfPDprcZjgTEsnP/PXL_20230207_155700112.jpg > | 15:57 | |
| Eickmeyer[m] | You need to reboot after the driver has been installed. | 15:57 |
| legrandtech[m] | Okay | 15:58 |
| legrandtech[m] | Something's not right because I switched to it under muon and I tapped apply changes but could not tap restart from the button so I restarted manually. I tried it again from the settings menu the do not use device was highlighted, now apply changes is greyed out. Maybe a fresh OS setup will get this fixed? | 16:17 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | Are you saying you just can't restart? | 16:23 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | (a fresh install isn't always the answer) | 16:23 |
| legrandtech[m] | I was able to restart manually but after the restart the WiFi radio was not enabled. I then followed the way you showed me and saw that the Wi-Fi card was not selected. I selected the Wi-Fi card but now I do not get the option to apply changes. That button is now greyed out. | 16:26 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | That's because the driver is already installed. | 16:27 |
| * Eickmeyer[m] has to go afk | 16:28 | |
| Eickmeyer[m] | !morehelp | legrandtech, append :libera.chat to these to find other places for help, this isn't your only option: | 16:28 |
| ubottu | legrandtech, append :libera.chat to these to find other places for help, this isn't your only option:: #ubuntustudio sometimes cannot answer your questions in a timely matter, or simply lacks the capacity. For additional sources of help, try #ubuntu if your issue is of a technical nature, or #lau (Linux Audio Users) or #opensourcemusicians if it has to do with the audio stack. | 16:28 |
| legrandtech[m] | So it's normal for the additional drivers menu to revert back to not use the device? | 16:29 |
| * legrandtech[m] uploaded an image: (131KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/EzvkgFSKHkkigHITIcUWYElH/PXL_20230207_162817199.jpg > | 16:29 | |
| Eickmeyer[m] | No, that's not normal. Seek help in #ubuntu:libera.chat for now. | 16:29 |
| * Eickmeyer[m] afk | 16:30 | |
| legrandtech[m] | Okay, thanks. | 16:30 |
| sakrecoer[bpist] | <Eickmeyer> "Settoshi (UTC+1): Nothing has..." <- i realize it's the narrative canonical gas chosen, but i really wouldn't say "nothing has changed" that is going to trigger a lot of foss people. especially the pedantic ones. but as i said, not much i can do about it except migrate. | 16:40 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | <sakrecoer[bpist]> "i realize it's the narrative..." <- FOSS doesn't mean "free as in beer" so their argument is invalid. | 16:55 |
| sakrecoer[bpist] | i would go for owning it instead: "yes we have made fundamental changes to our monetization strategy: beyond 5 personal devices you are considered an enterprise. unless you go through the process of becoming a community member" | 16:55 |
| sakrecoer[bpist] | that might actually bring more members | 16:55 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | I mean, the packages listed weren't even in 22.04 to begin with, tbh. | 16:57 |
| sakrecoer[bpist] | Eickmeyer[m]: i never said it does and it's not the issue i am raising | 16:57 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | I believe there's a whole discussion about this on discourse.ubuntu.com | 16:59 |
| sakrecoer[bpist] | i think the way this change is comunicated is very flawed and i think what will happen is a surge in fake launchpad accounts | 16:59 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | Settoshi (UTC+1): I stand corrected, there's a bug report about the messaging: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+bug/1992026 | 17:01 |
| -ubottu:#ubuntustudio- Launchpad bug 1992026 in ubuntu-advantage-tools (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Pro APT integration is a bit much" [Critical, In Progress] | 17:01 | |
| Eickmeyer[m] | And it has the Community Council's attention, at least teward's attention. | 17:02 |
| sakrecoer[bpist] | That's great news! \o/ i'm relieved. there was such a big discrepancy between the UX and the actual change (which, is a debatable change in many ways, but in reality not really suited for this channel) | 17:37 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | Right. I don't like the messaging either. It's heavy-handed and a scare tactic. Goes completely against the philosophy of "Ubuntu", so if it doesn't change soon, I'm taking it up with the CC. | 17:39 |
| OvenWerks | many people use Linux to remain somewhat anonymous. I can not see how any such idea can remain that way and count number of machines at the same time. | 17:46 |
| teward | my attention is not hte CC's attention | 19:14 |
| teward | but I get to weigh in with my CC hat | 19:14 |
| teward | *smacks Eickmeyer[m] from here to /dev/null and back for pinging him* | 19:14 |
| arraybolt3 | (Not to mention the fact that some users don't even have an email address and without one, you can't sign up for Ubuntu One, and therefore Ubuntu Pro at all.) | 19:23 |
| Eickmeyer[m] | Joke's on him, /dev/null isn't that far. | 19:44 |
| arraybolt3 | lol | 19:47 |
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