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sakrecoer[bpist]<Eickmeyer> "Settoshi (UTC+1): #ubuntu:libera..." <- so it's not a bug. it's a change that was introduced a couple days ago...10:19
sakrecoer[bpist]they told me it delivers security fixes to packages that haven't seen any in many years...10:19
sakrecoer[bpist]but to get them i need to get one of those keys (5 are free for individuals and 100 for community members)10:20
sakrecoer[bpist]one of the packages is imagemagick-6-common10:20
sakrecoer[bpist]i'm not entirely convinced about this approach tbh, but it is what it is i guess.. and there's always the option to migrate. :) 10:22
oerheksi had that imagemagick issue too, yesterday10:23
oerheksthese packages were held back; software-properties-gtk update-notifier update-notifier-common python3-software-properties software-properties-common 10:23
oerheksafter that, and a reboot, i got this new screen, and could enable aps https://imgur.com/gallery/JrSO8zh .. and the imagemagick packages could be updated.10:24
sakrecoer[bpist]were you able to that without a ID key oerheks ?10:25
sakrecoer[bpist]i don't mind having to configure stuff, but i can see why people would get upset to have a their package list tied to an identifier...10:26
oerheksno, i have the ID enabled, for livepatch, not for ESM 10 year support10:29
sakrecoer[bpist]where do i find that window in KDE?10:29
sakrecoer[bpist]i found the window, but i don't have the tab...10:30
oerheksoh, this is gnome10:30
sakrecoer[bpist]never mind, i know how to do it in cli... was just curious10:31
sakrecoer[bpist]I'm not super happy about this change tbh 😅 And the lingo on the website made it really hard to find the free tier. Not to mention that the unfree tier are way beyond my budget :D 10:31
sakrecoer[bpist]i mean gratis tier, as in "free beer".10:33
legrandtech[m]Good Morning, Afternoon, Evening.11:30
legrandtech[m]I had a very simple question, how do I enable the wireless card on my MacBook pro. On Linux mint I just go to the driver section and then enable it but I can't find an equivalent here on Ubuntu studio.15:32
Eickmeyerlegrandtech[m]: Macbook pro needs a special driver. Go to System Settings > Hardware Drivers (or something to that effect, don't have that system on right now).15:34
Eickmeyersakrecoer[bpist]: Nothing has changed. Apparently, it's a new place you can enable that allows those packages to be updated, but it costs money to pay people to update those packages. Free for up to 5 machines, up to 50 for Ubuntu members. You can remove the message by removing 'ubuntu-advantage-tools'.15:36
Eickmeyeroerheks: ^15:36
EickmeyerReason: Python 2 packages are EOL and full of security holes, so they're not updated (nor in the repository for 22.04 anyhow).15:37
legrandtech[m]<Eickmeyer> "legrandtech: Macbook pro needs a..." <- I don't have Hardware Drivers as an option. Maybe I'll try reinstalling the OS 15:39
Eickmeyerlegrandtech[m]: That doesn't seem right. I don't have the exact name. Look in the column on the left, there should be something that says drivers.15:40
OvenWerkslegrandtech[m]: you can find them with muon.15:41
OvenWerkslegrandtech[m]: muon ->settings->configure software sources15:42
OvenWerksa window pops up look in the aditional drivers tab15:42
Eickmeyer[m]legrandtech: System Settings > Driver Manager is what I meant15:43
legrandtech[m]Muon has it, testing now15:43
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OvenWerksI am sure I have seen it in the settings ap as well but I can never find it when I want it.15:43
Eickmeyer[m]OvenWerks: You're going to have to stop pointing people to Muon, it's going to be removed from future releases.15:44
legrandtech[m]Looking for it the other way too15:44
OvenWerks:P bad news as there is nothing worth while to replace it yet15:44
Eickmeyer[m]That said, Additional drivers will be available directly in the menu in future releases.15:44
Eickmeyer[m]We'll have to seed Synaptic again.15:45
legrandtech[m]Eickmeyer[m]: Driver Manager is not available, I found the other manually.15:46
OvenWerkssynaptic has the same-ish menu15:46
Eickmeyer[m]legrandtech: That's not right then. What version are you on?15:46
legrandtech[m]* Driver Manager is not available, I found the other settings manually.15:46
legrandtech[m]Ubuntu Studio 22.0415:47
Eickmeyer[m]Looks like I have a couple things to look at. Ran into a couple of bug reports this morning. >_<15:48
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legrandtech[m]Okay, this is what shows for me. 15:50
Eickmeyer[m]legrandtech: NOOOO, the system settings application, not the menu.15:50
Eickmeyer[m]Think control panel.15:50
legrandtech[m]<Eickmeyer[m]> "legrandtech: NOOOO, the system..." <- Got it, it took me the same route as Muon but much faster, thanks. I now ran into another issue where it says this device is not working. 15:57
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Eickmeyer[m]You need to reboot after the driver has been installed.15:57
legrandtech[m]Something's not right because I switched to it under muon and I tapped apply changes but could not tap restart from the button so I restarted manually. I tried it again from the settings menu the do not use device was highlighted, now apply changes is greyed out. Maybe a fresh OS setup will get this fixed?16:17
Eickmeyer[m]Are you saying you just can't restart?16:23
Eickmeyer[m](a fresh install isn't always the answer)16:23
legrandtech[m]I was able to restart manually but after the restart the WiFi radio was not enabled. I then followed the way you showed me and saw that the Wi-Fi card was not selected. I selected the Wi-Fi card but now I do not get the option to apply changes. That button is now greyed out.16:26
Eickmeyer[m]That's because the driver is already installed.16:27
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Eickmeyer[m]!morehelp | legrandtech, append :libera.chat to these to find other places for help, this isn't your only option:16:28
ubottulegrandtech, append :libera.chat to these to find other places for help, this isn't your only option:: #ubuntustudio sometimes cannot answer your questions in a timely matter, or simply lacks the capacity. For additional sources of help, try #ubuntu if your issue is of a technical nature, or #lau (Linux Audio Users) or #opensourcemusicians if it has to do with the audio stack.16:28
legrandtech[m]So it's normal for the additional drivers menu to revert back to not use the device? 16:29
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Eickmeyer[m]No, that's not normal. Seek help in #ubuntu:libera.chat for now.16:29
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legrandtech[m]Okay, thanks.16:30
sakrecoer[bpist]<Eickmeyer> "Settoshi (UTC+1): Nothing has..." <- i realize it's the narrative canonical gas chosen, but i really wouldn't say "nothing has changed" that is going to trigger a lot of foss people. especially the pedantic ones. but as i said, not much i can do about it except migrate.16:40
Eickmeyer[m]<sakrecoer[bpist]> "i realize it's the narrative..." <- FOSS doesn't mean "free as in beer" so their argument is invalid.16:55
sakrecoer[bpist]i would go for owning it instead: "yes we have made fundamental changes to our monetization strategy: beyond 5 personal devices you are considered an enterprise. unless you go through the process of becoming a community member"16:55
sakrecoer[bpist]that might actually bring more members16:55
Eickmeyer[m]I mean, the packages listed weren't even in 22.04 to begin with, tbh.16:57
sakrecoer[bpist]Eickmeyer[m]: i never said it does and it's not the issue i am raising16:57
Eickmeyer[m]I believe there's a whole discussion about this on discourse.ubuntu.com16:59
sakrecoer[bpist]i think the way this change is comunicated is very flawed and i think what will happen is a surge in fake launchpad accounts 16:59
Eickmeyer[m]Settoshi (UTC+1): I stand corrected, there's a bug report about the messaging: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+bug/199202617:01
-ubottu:#ubuntustudio- Launchpad bug 1992026 in ubuntu-advantage-tools (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Pro APT integration is a bit much" [Critical, In Progress]17:01
Eickmeyer[m]And it has the Community Council's attention, at least teward's attention.17:02
sakrecoer[bpist]That's great news! \o/ i'm relieved. there was such a big discrepancy between the UX and the actual change (which, is a debatable change in many ways, but in reality not really suited for this channel)17:37
Eickmeyer[m]Right. I don't like the messaging either. It's heavy-handed and a scare tactic. Goes completely against the philosophy of "Ubuntu", so if it doesn't change soon, I'm taking it up with the CC.17:39
OvenWerksmany people use Linux to remain somewhat anonymous. I can not see how any such idea can remain that way and count number of machines at the same time.17:46
tewardmy attention is not hte CC's attention19:14
tewardbut I get to weigh in with my CC hat19:14
teward*smacks Eickmeyer[m] from here to /dev/null and back for pinging him*19:14
arraybolt3(Not to mention the fact that some users don't even have an email address and without one, you can't sign up for Ubuntu One, and therefore Ubuntu Pro at all.)19:23
Eickmeyer[m]Joke's on him, /dev/null isn't that far.19:44

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