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[10:19] <sakrecoer[bpist]> <Eickmeyer> "Settoshi (UTC+1): #ubuntu:libera..." <- so it's not a bug. it's a change that was introduced a couple days ago...
[10:19] <sakrecoer[bpist]> they told me it delivers security fixes to packages that haven't seen any in many years...
[10:20] <sakrecoer[bpist]> but to get them i need to get one of those keys (5 are free for individuals and 100 for community members)
[10:20] <sakrecoer[bpist]> one of the packages is imagemagick-6-common
[10:22] <sakrecoer[bpist]> i'm not entirely convinced about this approach tbh, but it is what it is i guess.. and there's always the option to migrate. :) 
[10:23] <oerheks> i had that imagemagick issue too, yesterday
[10:23] <oerheks> these packages were held back; software-properties-gtk update-notifier update-notifier-common python3-software-properties software-properties-common 
[10:24] <oerheks> after that, and a reboot, i got this new screen, and could enable aps https://imgur.com/gallery/JrSO8zh .. and the imagemagick packages could be updated.
[10:25] <sakrecoer[bpist]> were you able to that without a ID key oerheks ?
[10:26] <sakrecoer[bpist]> i don't mind having to configure stuff, but i can see why people would get upset to have a their package list tied to an identifier...
[10:29] <oerheks> no, i have the ID enabled, for livepatch, not for ESM 10 year support
[10:29] <sakrecoer[bpist]> where do i find that window in KDE?
[10:30] <sakrecoer[bpist]> i found the window, but i don't have the tab...
[10:30] <oerheks> oh, this is gnome
[10:31] <sakrecoer[bpist]> never mind, i know how to do it in cli... was just curious
[10:31] <sakrecoer[bpist]> I'm not super happy about this change tbh 😅 And the lingo on the website made it really hard to find the free tier. Not to mention that the unfree tier are way beyond my budget :D 
[10:33] <sakrecoer[bpist]> i mean gratis tier, as in "free beer".
[11:30] <legrandtech[m]> Good Morning, Afternoon, Evening.
[15:32] <legrandtech[m]> I had a very simple question, how do I enable the wireless card on my MacBook pro. On Linux mint I just go to the driver section and then enable it but I can't find an equivalent here on Ubuntu studio.
[15:34] <Eickmeyer> legrandtech[m]: Macbook pro needs a special driver. Go to System Settings > Hardware Drivers (or something to that effect, don't have that system on right now).
[15:36] <Eickmeyer> sakrecoer[bpist]: Nothing has changed. Apparently, it's a new place you can enable that allows those packages to be updated, but it costs money to pay people to update those packages. Free for up to 5 machines, up to 50 for Ubuntu members. You can remove the message by removing 'ubuntu-advantage-tools'.
[15:36] <Eickmeyer> oerheks: ^
[15:37] <Eickmeyer> Reason: Python 2 packages are EOL and full of security holes, so they're not updated (nor in the repository for 22.04 anyhow).
[15:39] <legrandtech[m]> <Eickmeyer> "legrandtech: Macbook pro needs a..." <- I don't have Hardware Drivers as an option. Maybe I'll try reinstalling the OS 
[15:40] <Eickmeyer> legrandtech[m]: That doesn't seem right. I don't have the exact name. Look in the column on the left, there should be something that says drivers.
[15:41] <OvenWerks> legrandtech[m]: you can find them with muon.
[15:42] <OvenWerks> legrandtech[m]: muon ->settings->configure software sources
[15:42] <OvenWerks> a window pops up look in the aditional drivers tab
[15:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> legrandtech: System Settings > Driver Manager is what I meant
[15:43] <legrandtech[m]> Genius
[15:43] <legrandtech[m]> Muon has it, testing now
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[15:43] <OvenWerks> I am sure I have seen it in the settings ap as well but I can never find it when I want it.
[15:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: You're going to have to stop pointing people to Muon, it's going to be removed from future releases.
[15:44] <legrandtech[m]> Looking for it the other way too
[15:44] <OvenWerks> :P bad news as there is nothing worth while to replace it yet
[15:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> That said, Additional drivers will be available directly in the menu in future releases.
[15:45] <Eickmeyer[m]> We'll have to seed Synaptic again.
[15:46] <legrandtech[m]> Eickmeyer[m]: Driver Manager is not available, I found the other manually.
[15:46] <OvenWerks> synaptic has the same-ish menu
[15:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> legrandtech: That's not right then. What version are you on?
[15:46] <legrandtech[m]> * Driver Manager is not available, I found the other settings manually.
[15:47] <legrandtech[m]> Ubuntu Studio 22.04
[15:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> Looks like I have a couple things to look at. Ran into a couple of bug reports this morning. >_<
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[15:50] <legrandtech[m]> Okay, this is what shows for me. 
[15:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> legrandtech: NOOOO, the system settings application, not the menu.
[15:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> Think control panel.
[15:57] <legrandtech[m]> <Eickmeyer[m]> "legrandtech: NOOOO, the system..." <- Got it, it took me the same route as Muon but much faster, thanks. I now ran into another issue where it says this device is not working. 
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[15:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> You need to reboot after the driver has been installed.
[15:58] <legrandtech[m]> Okay
[16:17] <legrandtech[m]> Something's not right because I switched to it under muon and I tapped apply changes but could not tap restart from the button so I restarted manually. I tried it again from the settings menu the do not use device was highlighted, now apply changes is greyed out. Maybe a fresh OS setup will get this fixed?
[16:23] <Eickmeyer[m]> Are you saying you just can't restart?
[16:23] <Eickmeyer[m]> (a fresh install isn't always the answer)
[16:26] <legrandtech[m]> I was able to restart manually but after the restart the WiFi radio was not enabled. I then followed the way you showed me and saw that the Wi-Fi card was not selected. I selected the Wi-Fi card but now I do not get the option to apply changes. That button is now greyed out.
[16:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> That's because the driver is already installed.
[16:28]  * Eickmeyer[m] has to go afk
[16:28] <Eickmeyer[m]> !morehelp | legrandtech, append :libera.chat to these to find other places for help, this isn't your only option:
[16:28] <ubottu> legrandtech, append :libera.chat to these to find other places for help, this isn't your only option:: #ubuntustudio sometimes cannot answer your questions in a timely matter, or simply lacks the capacity. For additional sources of help, try #ubuntu if your issue is of a technical nature, or #lau (Linux Audio Users) or #opensourcemusicians if it has to do with the audio stack.
[16:29] <legrandtech[m]> So it's normal for the additional drivers menu to revert back to not use the device? 
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[16:29] <Eickmeyer[m]> No, that's not normal. Seek help in #ubuntu:libera.chat for now.
[16:30]  * Eickmeyer[m] afk
[16:30] <legrandtech[m]> Okay, thanks.
[16:40] <sakrecoer[bpist]> <Eickmeyer> "Settoshi (UTC+1): Nothing has..." <- i realize it's the narrative canonical gas chosen, but i really wouldn't say "nothing has changed" that is going to trigger a lot of foss people. especially the pedantic ones. but as i said, not much i can do about it except migrate.
[16:55] <Eickmeyer[m]> <sakrecoer[bpist]> "i realize it's the narrative..." <- FOSS doesn't mean "free as in beer" so their argument is invalid.
[16:55] <sakrecoer[bpist]> i would go for owning it instead: "yes we have made fundamental changes to our monetization strategy: beyond 5 personal devices you are considered an enterprise. unless you go through the process of becoming a community member"
[16:55] <sakrecoer[bpist]> that might actually bring more members
[16:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> I mean, the packages listed weren't even in 22.04 to begin with, tbh.
[16:57] <sakrecoer[bpist]> Eickmeyer[m]: i never said it does and it's not the issue i am raising
[16:59] <Eickmeyer[m]> I believe there's a whole discussion about this on discourse.ubuntu.com
[16:59] <sakrecoer[bpist]> i think the way this change is comunicated is very flawed and i think what will happen is a surge in fake launchpad accounts 
[17:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> Settoshi (UTC+1): I stand corrected, there's a bug report about the messaging: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-advantage-tools/+bug/1992026
[17:01] -ubottu:#ubuntustudio- Launchpad bug 1992026 in ubuntu-advantage-tools (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Pro APT integration is a bit much" [Critical, In Progress]
[17:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> And it has the Community Council's attention, at least teward's attention.
[17:37] <sakrecoer[bpist]> That's great news! \o/ i'm relieved. there was such a big discrepancy between the UX and the actual change (which, is a debatable change in many ways, but in reality not really suited for this channel)
[17:39] <Eickmeyer[m]> Right. I don't like the messaging either. It's heavy-handed and a scare tactic. Goes completely against the philosophy of "Ubuntu", so if it doesn't change soon, I'm taking it up with the CC.
[17:46] <OvenWerks> many people use Linux to remain somewhat anonymous. I can not see how any such idea can remain that way and count number of machines at the same time.
[19:14] <teward> my attention is not hte CC's attention
[19:14] <teward> but I get to weigh in with my CC hat
[19:14] <teward> *smacks Eickmeyer[m] from here to /dev/null and back for pinging him*
[19:23] <arraybolt3> (Not to mention the fact that some users don't even have an email address and without one, you can't sign up for Ubuntu One, and therefore Ubuntu Pro at all.)
[19:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> Joke's on him, /dev/null isn't that far.
[19:47] <arraybolt3> lol