| Bashing-om | guiverc: Sounds reasonable to me - make up that Discourse "mockup" and beat up on it to find our bugs :D | 00:25 |
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| krytarik | I now also got a variant of the wiki2forum script to do the same based on a Discourse post. | 00:43 |
| Bashing-om | krytarik: : Mastodon >> popey: @Bashingom Ok, created @UbuntuWeeklyNews which will post using the https://fridge.ubuntu.com/category/news/feed/ feed on the fridge. It would be nice if there was a category for "uwn" rather than using the generic "news" feed, as other stuff sometimes shows up in that feed. Any chance when posting to the fridge, you can add that category in addition to "news" and | 00:43 |
| Bashing-om | "planet"? | 00:44 |
| Bashing-om | krytarik: Anyway we can make such ^ a reality ? | 00:45 |
| krytarik | Welp, it would have been better to create a more generic account like "UbuntuFridge" or "UbuntuNews" (while I've recently noticed the latter exists with another purpose already) - but yes, we'd like to base the posts there on the "Planet" category. | 00:46 |
| krytarik | That was our idea anyway.. also I think an account with only the newsletter would be rather limited and boring to the followers.. :3 | 00:51 |
| guiverc | I don't see a problem with an additional category on fridge; we have 'news' but I see a couple of Ubuntu Council posts using that tag (https://fridge.ubuntu.com/category/news/page/3/) where we can't stop others posting from fridge to do that (those were me; I can remove 'news' tags on those) | 01:01 |
| krytarik | I mean yes, adding yet another category is no problem, but 1.) we need to ask ourselves if we really want to limit our presence on Mastodon to just the UWN (creating another bot account there which does all the Planet posts would be even more crappy and nonsensical (we wouldn't be able then to filter out the UWN posts)), and 2.) we'd have to add the new dedicated category to all the past ... | 01:11 |
| krytarik | ... UWN posts and I'm also not sure we should cater to just Mastodon in this way.. | 01:11 |
| * guiverc has removed the 'news' category on CC posts that it (for the record) | 01:12 | |
| guiverc | fyi: if it's Ubuntu News; release posts etc. are to me News still (even if covered in weekly newsletters that publish on another day) | 01:13 |
| krytarik | To be honest, we could also drop the "News" category at all, since it's what the site is about.. >_> | 01:14 |
| krytarik | (Yes, I'm more kidding..) | 01:24 |
| Bashing-om | krytarik: Pass back to popey " but yes, we'd like to base the posts there on the "Planet" category." ? | 01:31 |
| krytarik | Well yes, but obviously not under the current "UbuntuWeeklyNews" name. | 01:33 |
| guiverc | Bashing-om, the 'planet' category is what causes the posts to be picked up on Planet Ubuntu... that category has a purpose | 02:00 |
| Bashing-om | guiverc: I do live and learn - thanks :D | 02:02 |
| krytarik | guiverc: Yes, it does.. but it'd be the same as on Mastodon, which is spread info more widely that we deem interesting to a wider audience - and I got the feeling yesterday we agreed that'd be the category to use then. | 02:15 |
| guiverc | a new 'category' of mastodon, if that was 'agreed' yesterday, sorry I missed that.. but have no issues with its use at all | 02:16 |
| krytarik | Well, it seems you didn't specifically reply on my suggestion to simply re-use the Planet category for this, but I do feel it's appropriate since it's for the same scope and we wouldn't have to do anything special for Mastodon - since of course the News category can't be used for it either. | 02:22 |
| guiverc | I possibly didn't reply as I didn't understand sorry.. still trying to re-read ^ in my hexchat | 02:24 |
| krytarik | I'd rather avoid having a dedicated category for every platform we aggregate to.. :P | 02:27 |
| guiverc | understood & concur; to me 'news' fits best (& I removed the category from the 3 CC posts that used it that I saw) | 02:28 |
| krytarik | Question then though after you've decided those kind of posts don't get to use the News category anymore.. is there any kind of post left still that would be tagged News but not Planet? XD | 02:30 |
| guiverc | To me, we (ubuntu news) don't own planet (like we don't fridge), thus can't stop other users (councils etc) posting & deciding to use one without the other, but I can't see why Ubuntu news (us) would post using News WITHOUT Planet... Planet increases readship which is what Ubuntu News want. | 02:32 |
| guiverc | if there are any with only one of News/Planet... I suspect TYPO/error (and hopefully not me who did it; I've attempted to fix any booboos I made) | 02:34 |
| krytarik | Yes, because until now usually the only posts that had the News category but not the Planet one *were* those nasty kind of ones. | 02:36 |
| guiverc | they weren't from us (Ubuntu News) though :) | 02:36 |
| krytarik | Yes, they weren't. | 02:37 |
| guiverc | s/nasty/less-friendly/ ? but :) @ Yes they weren't | 02:37 |
| krytarik | But given those were tagged News and were done by folks who may not usually follow discussion here, I'm still not convinced tieing the Mastodon bot to the category is the best idea. | 02:41 |
| krytarik | Because generic categories like that are easily yolo'd in. | 02:42 |
| guiverc | Concur | 02:43 |
| Bashing-om | Currently on Mastodon: Ubuntu Weekly News links to https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2023/02/06/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-773/ . | 02:47 |
| krytarik | Of course, the ideal solution here would be being able to manually post via an entity account like that, it'd also enable us to use custom text on it rather than what I think would be post title and URL - but that doesn't seem to be possible yet at least on the Ubuntu instance. | 02:48 |
| krytarik | I think the issue there may be that you need an @ubuntu.com address to create an account, and you may be disallowed to use it on any more than one. | 02:49 |
| krytarik | Hah, it already got 30 followers. XD | 02:53 |
| Bashing-om | krytarik is so popular :P 30 and just starting ! | 03:01 |
| guiverc | 30 is more than the 22 that telegram has, and telegram has been up for some time... | 03:02 |
| krytarik | Heh, the Twitter one also only got 480 and considering how long that's been up.. Also, apparently there is an "ubuntunews" account alongside our "Ubuntu_News" one. :o | 03:07 |
| krytarik | Bashing-om: Btw, it always found it odd that the lower-level headers of the UWN are italicized on the forums, which I got reminded of in context of adapting the scripts to a potential Discourse workflow - then I noticed that we specifically told the forums to do so, by the wiki2forum script.. >_< I've already changed it locally here and the idea is to commit it alongside the other changes ... | 03:19 |
| krytarik | ... later, but if you want to change that in your local copy too, I could tell you which bits that are. | 03:19 |
| * guiverc also stunned at ubuntunews on twitter; more followers than ubuntu_news.. lost account maybe? | 03:21 | |
| Bashing-om | krytarik: Sure - let us keep things uniform :) what changes ? | 03:22 |
| krytarik | https://paste.opendev.org/show/bu5rd7DFIXSk8qqjrc5e/ - this is the full diff on the script currently, but you really only need to decrease the number of apostrophes in the middle part yet (from 5 to 3). | 03:25 |
| Bashing-om | krytarik: looking :) | 03:26 |
| krytarik | The "drop wiki-specific markup" part is usually covered by the publish script, but since I needed to run these scripts directly.. which is specifically the usage anyway and so.. | 03:28 |
| krytarik | guiverc: Yeah, I feel like remembering something like that.. | 03:29 |
| Bashing-om | krytarik: Vonfirm my thinking, please. reformat.py >> wiki-heading levels (2 and 3). Make it like so " return "'''[SIZE=\"3\"]%s[/SIZE]'''" % " ? | 03:36 |
| Bashing-om | Confirm* | 03:36 |
| krytarik | Yeah, just with their respective sizes of course. | 03:37 |
| Bashing-om | krytarik: :D Making it so. | 03:41 |
| popey | o/ | 08:49 |
| aaronprisk[m] | Hello popey, are you around by chance? | 15:52 |
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