[02:00] <moi_> hello
[02:22] <unskilledcb> Hello, I'm super new to all of linux which means also xubuntu and I've been consistently running into an issue with running downloads from browsers. I generally find a way around because many sites give you the command to manually run it in terminal, or I've just given up and forgot about downloading that app. Now I feel it is finally time to
[02:22] <unskilledcb> figure out what I'm doing wrong. Any suggestions?
[02:36] <conra> what is the actual issue unskilledcb 
[02:39] <unskilledcb> For more info I have used chrome and brave. When you go to an apps download page there is a download button that adds the file to your downloads which then goes to the directory you choose. My issue is when using this method the download file gets stored but when trying to run it the install process doesn't seem to happen.
[02:41] <unskilledcb> Like on windows which like many normies such as myself are used to you get the download file then run it go through the prompts and the application gets installed. So I'm not sure if there are extra steps for a linux based OS that I am unaware of.
[02:42] <arraybolt3> unskilledcb: Ah, I see what you're saying.
[02:42] <arraybolt3> With Linux, you usually don't download installers for software.
[02:43] <arraybolt3> Most software is available through a thing called a "package manager", which is like an app store.
[02:43] <arraybolt3> You can use a package manager either through an app store program like Ubuntu Software, or you can use it from the command line if you prefer.
[02:44] <arraybolt3> I assume you've typed "sudo apt install <program name>" into a terminal? That's downloading that particular software from your distro's package repository, and installing it. This is how you usually will install software.
[02:44] <arraybolt3> There are some pieces of software that aren't available in your distro's repositories, and in those instances you may be given other instructions - sometimes there's a .apt file that you can download, double-click, and install. Sometimes there's a sequence of commands you run in a terminal to add a third-party repository and then install the software from there.
[02:45] <arraybolt3> Many Linux applications will also give you the option of downloading an app's source code so you can compile it yourself, but that's an advanced method of software installation that you should usually avoid if at all possible. (Most of the time, if you download a .tar.gz or .tar.xz file, that's source code. Rarely you'll see ready-to-use programs distributed as .tar.gz files, but it's rare.)
[02:46] <unskilledcb> My question here is specific to the software download pages that only give you the .apt file download button with no other instructions or a command for the terminal
[02:47] <arraybolt3> unskilledcb: And just double-clicking those doesn't let you install the software?
[02:48] <unskilledcb> When ever I do the clicky click and I get the download file like a .deb file then even if I try to run/open the file nothing happens with
[02:49] <arraybolt3> unskilledcb: Hmm, odd. In that instance, try moving the .deb file to an otherwise empty folder, then open a terminal in that folder and run "sudo apt install ./*" and that should install it.
[02:50] <unskilledcb> Okay how would I install it from home directory? like sudo apt install ~/Downloads/<file-name.deb>
[02:51] <unskilledcb> Not that I need to because I could go to to the directory it's housed in. I'm just curious
[02:52] <arraybolt3> Then "sudo apt install ./Downloads/<file-name.deb>".
[02:52] <arraybolt3> The ./ at the beginning is important.
[02:52] <unskilledcb> Alright I'll try them. Thank you.
[02:52] <arraybolt3> Without it, `apt` might think you're trying to install a package from a repository, with it, apt knows you're trying to install a package from the local filesystem. At least that's been my experience, I don't know if it can sometimes behave differently in some edge cases, but that's what I've had to do.
[02:53] <unskilledcb> Alright
[03:13] <unskilledcb> Thanks arraybolt3 doing it how you said didn't seem to work at first as there was in error message in terminal. Then looking around to see what caused it I saw the app was in fact installed.
[03:14] <arraybolt3> Yeah, it's normal for there to be a "W: <gripe>" message at the end when doing that - it's just a warning (thus the W), not an error (which would have an E).
[03:14] <arraybolt3> Something about "Download performed unsandboxed as root" something or other. You can just ignore that.
[03:15] <unskilledcb> My issue the whole time was thinking I could operate xubuntu like windows and do everything via GUI just because the download was started that way. In conclusion I didn't know that one the file was downloaded I had to run sudo apt intall
[03:16] <arraybolt3> unskilledcb: You *should* be able to install a .deb by just double-clicking on it, I'm not sure why that didn't work. Maybe the package installer isn't present on Xubuntu.
[03:16] <arraybolt3> (There's some app called GDebi that lets you install .deb files by double-clicking on them.)
[03:16] <arraybolt3> You might be able to do "sudo apt install gdebi" and then be able to install .deb files by double-clicking.
[03:18] <unskilledcb> Well the only reason I believed it was a system issue overall was I have had this issue with multiple apps. Just coincidence that every one
[03:18] <unskilledcb> I tried to install via .apt file download button must not have been present as you say.
[03:19] <unskilledcb> So basically if it's not present I just need to save the file locally and run install on the local file
[03:19] <arraybolt3> Yeah I just checked, Xubuntu does *not* include GDebi by default, so that's probably why double-clicking deb files wasn't working. Anyway, now you know how to install them with the terminal, and how you may be able to get the GUI to work.
[03:20] <unskilledcb> Yes sir, super helpful thank you. This had many the source of quite a few hours of racking my brain to understand something new.
[03:20] <unskilledcb> been*
[13:26] <roberto_> Ciao
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[17:05] <xubuntu97i> Hallo, need some help for Xubutu installation..
[17:06] <xubuntu97i> Anybody out there?
[17:06] <arraybolt3> xubuntu97i: o/
[17:06] <arraybolt3> What's happening?
[17:08] <xubuntu97i> Tried to install Xub via a Debian rescue insstallation and iso-file in a /boot/grml folder...
[17:09] <arraybolt3> Hmm... ok so what is the end goal you're going for here? This sounds like a very non-standard installation, and I'm not sure how some of it makes sense, so some background may be helpful.
[17:09] <xubuntu97i> didn get the option to install via my Debian BackUp-install
[17:10] <arraybolt3> Are you trying to install Xubuntu on the whole disk? Alongside an existing OS? In the same partition as another Linux distro?
[17:11] <xubuntu97i> I bought a SSD for my Laptop. A friend told me, a good setup would be to have a sort of Rescue-System (in my case Debian)... and alongside this system I could install Xubuntu...
[17:12] <arraybolt3> Oh, so like you have Xubuntu as your main OS, and have GRML or similar installed alongside it so you can recover the system if needed?
[17:13] <xubuntu97i> My BiOS is old, cant boot form usb, so he told me about the possiblity to install via Debian "boot"-menu and grml
[17:13] <xubuntu97i> yep
[17:14] <arraybolt3> OK, so judging from the documentation, it sounds like you install Xubuntu *first*, then put GRML into the /boot/grml folder inside the Xubuntu installation.
[17:14] <arraybolt3> You can't boot from USB... is this a 32-bit system?
[17:15]  * arraybolt3 hopes you come back
[18:35] <Cydermaster> can anybody help? I want to automount a disk when I startup
[18:47] <gnrp> !ask
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[18:47] <gnrp> Cydermaster: What is the question?
[18:47] <gnrp> Cydermaster: Just ask the question and if osmebody knows, they'll answer
[18:47] <Cydermaster> How do I setup xubuntu to automount a drive
[18:48] <gnrp> Cydermaster: You put it in the /etc/fstab
[18:48] <gnrp> but be careful. When it is in there and failing to mount, the whole system boot will fail
[18:48] <Cydermaster> ok, thanks
[18:48] <gnrp> There is a manpage for fstab
[18:48] <gnrp> otherwise, you can also ask here
[18:49] <gnrp> is it an internal drive to the computer?
[18:49] <Cydermaster> yes, internal, its a 1tb hdd, my os is installed on a ssd
[18:50] <Cydermaster> can manualy mount it in thunar but wondered if there was a way of automounting it at startup (without resorting to fstab editing)
[18:52] <gnrp> where do you want it to be mounted?
[18:52] <gnrp> and run the command `lsblk` and paste its output
[18:52] <gnrp> !paste
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[18:54] <Cydermaster> will do it via fstab editing, just wondered if there was a 'tickbox' or gui setting to do it
[18:54] <gnrp> ah, no, fstab is the "true" way to do it system-wide
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