=== [M]enzador is now known as Menzador [00:30] is apt-get a tool for managing repositories and apt for managing software [00:32] no, they are essentially the same thing, one is older (apt-get) and accepts different options ... when moving forward and changing options and behavior the devs did no want to break peoples scripts, so if apt is called as apt-get it will behave the old way [01:10] sorry, I was afk for a while [01:10] so how can I check the status of the wifi with the speed of the connection? [01:12] Does Ubuntu Pro work with Kubuntu 22.04 LTS?. [01:12] Alexion: open "wifi" and click on the little gear icon [01:17] bkovacs7: yes [01:20] leftyfb: I'm using Lubuntu, the lightweight version [01:24] Alexion: i just type 'nmcli device wifi' in a console for my part [01:33] Alexion: sudo iw dev wlan0 link [01:33] Alexion: you were already given a link with this information [01:34] sbine: that command lists all available networks and the speed rate for each [01:35] Alexion: and as you've been told, that is how wifi works. It doesn't matter what your wifi chipset says for speed. If your wireless station can't support that, you won't get it [01:36] leftyfb:no such device --> sudo iw dev wlan0 link [01:37] Alexion: for instance, my wireless chipset is advertising 400Mbit/s, where-as the station I'm connected to says 270Mbit [01:37] Alexion: replace it with your wifi device [01:37] Alexion: `ip a` will show the device name of your WiFi card. [01:37] leftyfb: I agree, but I want to see what the chipset says [01:37] Alexion: Choose yours, leftyfb answer works like a charm too. [01:37] Alexion: `lspci` should show you the WiFi card's info, then you can use Google to see the speed your card supports, maybe? [01:38] If you want to know the speed of the card irrespective of the speed of the actual active connection [01:39] I want a way so the OS would tell me the current speed connected [01:39] Alexion: again, it doesn't work like that [01:39] leftyfb: You may be misunderstanding - I think they want to know the speed of the current connection that the card and router have negotiated. KDE can show this info, and I know where Lubuntu shows it. [01:40] (Or at least the speed that the OS knows is currently supported - I dunno if the router actually negotiates it but you get what I mean.) [01:41] i find the activities button on gnome very much useless [01:41] leftyfb: your solution worked, it says 54Mbps, that's what I wanted to see, thank you! [01:41] why dont you guys just minimize and maximize windows at need from your panel that is easy to reach [01:41] silhouette: then don't use it [01:42] Im just trying to understand why people use it [01:42] silhouette: for me personally, the keyboard is MUCH faster than the mouse [01:42] so I don't bother clicking anything [01:43] Alexion: future reference: sudo iw dev $(ip a|awk '/^[0-9]: wl/ {print $2}'|sed 's/://'g) link [01:43] so you use a window manager? [01:43] silhouette: I use stock ubuntu [01:43] silhouette: do you have a support question? [01:44] silhouette: feel free to have non-support discussions in #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic [01:44] leftyfb: is that bash scripting? [01:44] Alexion: sure [01:45] I didn't knew you can write bash scripting code in the commands [01:45] also looks like a regular expression [01:46] first I want to understand that script part, for that I have to study some more the scripting language [01:52] thank you for your support === docmax_ is now known as docmax === chris14_ is now known as chris14 [03:06] sarnold you around? [03:07] i ended up exporting/importing the pool, running a scrub right now [03:07] smartctl in windows actually works and is showing 0 reallocated sectors on both drives, so i did confirm my drives are good, it's just some wierd linux thing with the drive lables that's degrading the pool [03:08] billybigrigger: woo, does zpool status show all the drives and everything? [03:08] ya [03:08] \o/ [03:08] good news from windows [03:08] it shows SDC instead of the linux label 196841684949684 or whatever [03:09] so why is linux goobering the disk labels every couple of weeks all of a sudden? im not doing anything weird with the system, it's literally a fileserver [03:09] it's probably better to do the zpool import -d /dev/disk/by-id/ or similar, so you get more stable names [03:09] it runs plex and i run apt update/upgrade on it every few days lol [03:09] the scrub is estimating 4h remaining, so in the morning i'll export it with a known clean pool, then import like you said [03:10] i also don't have /dev/disk/by-id/ on my system [03:10] will the -d /dev/disk/by-id flag create the symlinks? [03:10] ? [03:10] That's weird. [03:10] What version of Ubuntu is this? (Sorry if you already said this, I don't remember.) [03:11] ls -lah /dev/disk shows by- label, partlabel, partuuid, path, and uuid [03:11] 22.04 LTS [03:11] 22.04.1 LTS my bad [03:11] billybigrigger: how do you not have /dev/disk/by-id/ ??? [03:11] dunno [03:11] that seems worth troubleshooting [03:11] I have -diskseq, -id, -label, -partlabel, -partuuid, -path, and -uuid on my 22.10 system. [03:11] you're the linux guys, you tell me hahahaha [03:12] it it because it's a vm maybe? [03:12] https://www.suse.com/support/kb/doc/?id=000016951 " By default VMWare doesn't provide information needed by udev to generate /dev/disk/by-id. " [03:12] lsblk shows sda -> sda1,2,3 [03:12] is this on vmware something? [03:12] sdb and sdc (2 disk zfs mirror) [03:12] virtualbox sadly, i moved it over from vmware [03:13] * arraybolt3 pops open a VBox VM [03:13] i mean, i can do a clean install of a fresh 22.10 install and see if i get disk/by-id [03:13] sarnold i just read your message lol [03:13] ok so there's the issue [03:13] are these physical drives that are done via passthrough? [03:14] I have /dev/disk/by-id in a VBox KDE neon VM (which is based on 22.04.1). [03:14] vbox doesn't do passthrough "technically" they're raw disk images [03:14] or does virtualbox not have a way to do virtio? [03:14] windows see's the actual physical disks still, that's why i was able to run smartmon on them in windows [03:15] okay now my head hurts :) [03:15] i know [03:15] i think i might just move this pool back to a REAL vm on my esxi host [03:15] +1 [03:15] VBox is horrible. [03:15] it's got a proper HBA and zfs can see the disks natively [03:15] it really is [03:16] i just moved to the east coast of canada, and compared to Alberta, power is fucking expensive, and with winter and electric radiant heaters, i was trying to not run the ESXI host :P [03:17] so i kept the fileserver/plex vm and running on my desktop in virtualbox, which knock on wood, has been fine for months.....but now this is popping up....and ya....headaches lol [03:17] billybigrigger: Ugh. (Sidenote, please avoid strong language for the sake of others in the room :) ) [03:17] 10-4 [03:17] i appreciate the assist guys...keep on keeping on! <3 [03:18] billybigrigger: Maybe switch to QEMU? :D [03:19] man i used to be a proxmox guy, but everyone seems to run vmware still for enterprise here, at least the places i've worked....so..... :( [03:19] billybigrigger: Well if you can run VBox on this server, you can probably run Virtual Machine Manager instead. [03:19] i mean, 7.0 is terrible, i saw vcenter/sphere 8.0 just released, i might just go back to proxmox [03:20] I one time had VBox eat an entire VM outright out of nowhere. [03:20] billybigrigger: still? I've heard a *huge* exodus from vmware after the broadcom acquisition [03:21] billybigrigger: .. folks deciding if they wanted to be part of broadcom's increased profit margins or not [03:21] Rebooted it, came up kernel errors, rebooted again and it kept hitting severe *hypervisor* errors in GRUB. [03:22] hello [03:22] Flevox: o/ [03:40] hi guys Ubuntu 22.04.1 lts, no sound, dummy output [03:40] here details [03:40] https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2483997 === silhouette_ is now known as marcopolo1 === Gue71 is now known as dummyoutputhater [04:32] #slax [04:32] #vector [04:32] hi I'm back. [04:32] I married Princess PInky. [04:32] back for now [04:32] don't ban me just ttalk [04:32] anyone [04:33] #ubuntu-offtopic [04:45] I used slax many years ago, thought it was quite good then [04:49] The idea of a slack based live distribution with full boot-time automagic config was very novel. Iirc, this was pre-knoppix.. [04:52] Iirc the first rels were live only.. but it worked so well that they added an installer due to demand. [05:02] !ot | I know it's evening in the Western Hemisphere [05:02] I know it's evening in the Western Hemisphere: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! [05:07] Trying to get kvm to work with "copy & paste". Did these steps. Does not work yet. Am I missing something? [05:07] https://bpa.st/HCRME [05:56] reboot, or power off / on [05:56] for the virtual machine [05:57] some config file changes in libvirt/qemu don't get applied until the vm is turned off, then back on again when the config is fully re-read [06:36] is there a way to tell an interface to use a different ip? [06:40] bancroft: of course. Which network manager are you using? === daedric4 is now known as daedric === Eickmeyer5 is now known as Eickmeyer === dn___ is now known as dmn [09:46] mybalzitch, Do you know how the "copy paste" is supposed to work. Just appears a right-click menu where one selects paste, or just press right click on mouse. [09:46] mybalzitch, I rebooted, no change. === SysGh_st is now known as SysGhost [10:14] How to compress files in ubuntu that can be packed and unpacked with already installed options from the terminal ? [10:15] something like -xjvf I remeber from the last time [10:15] those are tar options [10:23] good thanks [10:56] hello am sorry i dont know the commnd to login on libra chat so i cant open archliux cha&neel [10:56] any way i have this problem after restore my arch linux computer [10:57] systemd-backlight@backlight:acpi_video0.service - Load/Save Screen Backlight Brightness of backlight:acpi_video0 [10:57] you are in #ubuntu [10:57] there is no support for arch here [10:58] ravage, can you give me the command for libra to sign in [10:59] latef02: try this: /join #libera [10:59] they'll help you with using libera there. [11:00] tomreyn, no this command is for join channel and arch linux is /r so i need to sign in in my account i forget the command [11:01] ah ah ok am in libra channel now thnaks guy [11:01] latef02: i pointed you to a channel where you can get help with registering, so that you can join other channels. *this* (#ubuntu) is not the place to ask these questions. [11:02] ah ok thank you anyway [11:30] Hello, i plugged my usb into my right ear but i dont know how to train the ubuntu iso to my brain so i can use rufus to flash it [11:57] even the trolls lack ingenuity these days. so sad. [12:01] well, after all it should just be a matter of picking the earwax tunneling boot option ... not sure what's wrong there [12:02] Tried for hours to find a solution to reload snd_hda_intel but gets "modprobe: FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel is in use" (using rmmod or modprobe .rf). Same with other sound modules such as snd_soc_core. Sound works on boot, but drops when I get some error message that a loopback device gets unmounted or some such. Any pointers on how to reload the sound? [12:03] (should say modprobe -rf) === dionysus70 is now known as dionysus69 [12:08] ciao [12:08] hi [12:08] how are you [12:09] OHHHHH [12:17] Today I am trying to watch a video I downloaded, I am trying to watch it in VLC. The audio and video keeps skipping, why is this? [12:19] I look at top but there is nothing consuming all the system resources [12:20] I can watch other video just fine [12:23] Guest65: anything in vlc log/message? anything in dmesg? [12:23] gpu driver is installed? [12:24] nothing in VLC, gpu driver installed zaggynl [12:25] maybe the video is corrupted somehow ? [12:30] it could be that, or it could be using a bad encoding === sinvet__ is now known as shinbet === shinbet is now known as shinbeth [13:58] anyone knows why I sometimes get this? https://dumpinen.com/8xw8LHbiQ4a [13:58] when it happens nothing work [13:58] every program segfaults, even ps [14:09] I have ubuntu 22.04 jammy running as a virtual machine (all default setup). I am accessing it through VNC. Very frequently the Keyboard is behaving weird. It is as if the SHIFT key is stuck. It types all uppercase and special characters instead of numbers. Can anyone tell me how I can get out of this issue? [14:11] sopparus: woah, that's a lot of oopses. this can be faulty hardware. i would disable any ram 'optimizations' and run a memtest [14:11] tomreyn: ok thanks [14:12] Hi all === LabMonkey is now known as Mechanismus [15:07] Ваше здоровье! 🍺 [15:08] !ru [15:08] Пожалуйста наберите /join #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке. | Pozhalujsta naberite /join #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke. [15:14] Hmmm. Did a software update yesterday, which updated my kernel, rebooted, and my 3 screens are reduced to one, and that magnified (vga mode?). The settings->displays only shows the one, which is of unknown type. I do have a 2060 nvid card in there. Has the update lost compatibility with the nvidea card? All was well before this last update. [15:16] I'm running 22.04 btw. [15:25] wyomurf: check the "Drivers" util and see what driver is enabled for your GPU [15:39] Has anyone had experience using the new Raspberry Pi 3 camera on Ubuntu 22.04? We've installed Ubuntu on a RPi4, and connected the camera, but the logs say "Failed enabling camera ret -2". We are fully updated and the firmware is the latest version, and we've tried both the stock ubuntu kernel as well as the latest raspbian kernel [15:40] dobbelj: I know you're running Ubuntu as the OS, but you might have good luck in #raspberrypi [15:41] leftyfb: Thanks, will try there [15:49] dobbelj, go to #ubuntu-arm and ask waveform, i know he has recently been working on libcamera for the Pi [15:49] ogra: Thanks a lot :) [16:05] leftyfb: In software & updates, under Additional Drivers, it says under TU106 [GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER], the item "Using NVIDIA driver metapackage from nvidia-driver-515 (proprietary)" is selected... It's one up from the bottom which is nvidia-driver-525-server... so, do I report to nvidia instead of you guys? [16:14] hi all [16:40] hey guys, i have a computer on my local network which is not accessible from the internet. without doing a firewall rule, is there a way to pass vnc traffic from a firewalled internet facing machine to the vnc computer which will never be accessible? [16:40] not firewall rule, router rule [16:41] jwash: use something like teamviewer [16:44] jwash: or ssh to another device on the same network and create an ssh tunnel [16:47] ssh tunnel [16:47] that's the way [16:47] jwash: look into sshuttle [16:48] hello === kostkon_ is now known as kostkon === andypandy_ is now known as andypandy [16:57] Hellu. I'm working with docker and have a problem. I have a container that needs its folders to have owner 1000:1000. I am trying to change ownership of my folders tha I mount as a volume. But I am going crazy, seems like I am missing something obvious. I am running "sudo chown -R 1000:1000 folder_name" on the folder. Running "ls -lha" afterwards and it still seems to be my user... [16:57] Is it not possible to change ownership to any uid:gid ? [16:58] andypandy: I think you need to chroot into it, not just mount it [16:59] andypandy: you might be better off asking in #docker for this sort of thing though [17:05] Hello, how do I get the TID of a thread which handled a particular network request? I can see it on wireshark but I can't seem to find which thread received it. [17:43] hi Guys, I have ubuntu 22.04 jammy running as a virtual machine (all default setup). I am accessing it through VNC. Very frequently the Keyboard is behaving weird. It is as if the SHIFT key is stuck. It types all uppercase and special characters instead of numbers. Can anyone tell me how I can get out of this issue? [17:48] webchat73: What VNC server and client? [17:48] Also what virtualization software? [17:52] buy a new keyboard? [17:52] arraybolt3: I am using the default that comes with Ubuntu. Settings->Sharing->RemoteDesktop.. Enable Legacy VNC Protocol. For client, I am just using Go->Connect to Server from Mac. But the issue is there even when I am connected to the guest VM from VM Manager. [17:54] oerheks: The issue is not with the keyboard. I am using the same keyboard with my Mac and other instances too. It only happens with Ubuntu and that too randomly. Outside the VM, the keyboard works just fine. [17:55] The only way I can get out of this issue is to force shutoff the VM using VM Manager and reboot. If I use Ubuntu reboot, it somehow keeps the state in memory and still thinks CapsLock is on and it types special characters for numbers. [17:56] webchat73: sounds like an issue with the VM software and not Ubuntu [17:56] webchat73: Maybe you shouldn't use VNC? Some virtualization software will let you access the VM console directly without needing VNC in the middle. [17:56] leftyfb: THey're using the built-in VNC server in Ubuntu. [17:56] arraybolt3: on a VM [17:56] THat's *possibly* and Ubuntu problem. [17:56] leftyfb: The VM shouldn't have anything to do with it, though. [17:56] which keeps it's CAPS state when rebooting from the OS [17:57] but loses the stuck CAPS when powercycled through the VM [17:57] leftyfb: How would that interfere with a VNC server directly from the VM to the client? [17:57] I would think (correct me if I'm wrong) that the virt software's weirdness would be bypassed by the direct VNC connection. [17:57] I'm not sure about that [17:57] but something to test [17:57] They aren't VNC-ing to the virt software, but to the OS inside. [17:58] boot a live usb and see if the problem persists [17:58] live iso that is [17:59] if a reboot with the OS keeps the stuck state, then reboot the OS, boot to the iso like you're going to do a new install. If the problem persists, then the issue is more than likely with the VM software, not the OS [18:00] leftyfb: are the steps to reboot with the ISO available somewhere? [18:01] webchat73: You booted an ISO in order to install the VM, right? [18:01] webchat73: that would be dependent on the software you are using and not related to Ubuntu [18:01] webchat73: You'd just insert the ISO into the VM via your virt software and then change boot order. [18:02] arraybolt3: Is there a recommended VNC client for ubuntu? [18:03] RealVNCViewer doesnt work [18:03] webchat73: please stick with 1 problem at a tie [18:03] time* [18:04] arraybolt3: I am suspecting that this issue is not there if I don't connect via VNC. It started only after I connected via VNC. Right now I am using it without VNCing directly from the VMManager client for 0.5 hrs and I am not seeing the issue yet. Hence asking. [18:05] webchat73: You have to match the client with the server. They don't have to be the same "brand", but they have to offer the same settings. Sometimes you have to set things like encryption and handshake manually. [18:06] jhutchins: I am using the default that comes with Ubuntu. Settings->Sharing->RemoteDesktop enable and LegacyVNC Protocol enable. I am not sure which VNC server is used by default. [18:08] webchat73: Is there a particular reason you *have* to use VNC? I mean for me VNC has always been a hit-and-miss thing. [18:08] I used to use x11vnc as my server and various different clients, and they all had varying and different problems that made the whole thing a bit wonky. [18:09] I would expect Reminna to work right with the GNOME VNC client because that's the client that Ubuntu has included, maybe you can try it? [18:10] arraybolt3: I have a big server on which I am creating VMs to use. Multiple users have multiple VMs. Server itself is in a place where I cannot sit and work all the time. I and others need to connect remotely. [18:10] arraybolt3: I will check on Reminna [18:11] webchat73: Ah, I see what you're saying. Many VM softwares provide the ability to connect to the VM terminal via the virtualization software rather than connecting directly to the OS. [18:11] You might be able to enable and use that. [18:12] (For instance libvirt-based solutions may let you connect to the VM remotely without the guest running a remote desktop server.) [18:48] webchat73: I haven't read all the chat, but to stop CAPS from the remote terminal, press capslock inside VNC, then switch to another LOCAL application, and press CAPS again. === tomaw| is now known as tomaw [19:37] Hello and tia. Can this nap of journal tell you why/how chrome died? I copied it dirrectly after and have not restarted chrome. (I used ff because ff had no active windows.) --> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/wZNwQ7nd9Y/ [19:38] snap not nap. zzz [19:39] IGNORE THE ABOVE, PLEASE. wrong paste [19:41] 1. there is a newer kernel available, 5.19.0-32 [19:41] How can I tell? [19:41] run updates? [19:44] hi oerheks what do you mean "run updates? I am up to date. shall I do it again? [19:45] am doing that. [19:46] also we had 2 google chrome updates recently, current is Version 110.0.5481.100 [19:46] I have swap 2+xRAM [19:47] I thought it would auto update. Upgrade part in process now. === msyke1 is now known as msyke === msyke1 is now known as msyke [19:54] Upgrade done. at the very end it says this. Would "you" please tell me what I need to know about this? (ATM I have no other partitions. I may in the future.) ---> Warning: os-prober will not be executed to detect other bootable partitions. [19:54] Systems on them will not be added to the GRUB boot configuration. [19:54] Check GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER documentation entry. [19:54] done [19:55] os-prober is disabled for some time now. [19:55] OK and NOW it tells me updted software is available and i need to reboot so bye [19:55] well, upgrade done, new chrome too? time to reboot [19:55] 2nd message is likely to remove the old kernel.. [19:57] Hello, [19:57] I am having an issue with Ubuntu Budgie 22.10. [19:57] I am trying to install it on my laptop (which has no issues with Ubuntu or other distros) and running into issues. The live environment boots just fine, but after installing (using defaults except for LVM and Encryption) and rebooting, the OS does not load and drops into an initramfs prompt. I have tried installing 3 times, and I re-DLed the media [19:57] again and matched the checksum. [19:57] My guess is there is an issue with the installer not configuring the encrypted drive correctly (I don't have the issue with Ubuntu). Is this a known issue? [20:06] Guest36: before dropping into initramfs shell it usually says why, any idea what the error is? [20:08] it says: [20:08] ALERT! /dev/mapper/vgubuntu--budgie-root does not exist. Dropping to a shell! [20:13] Guest36: maybe you can troubleshoot which disks are there and to decrypt them manually etc in ls /dev/.... [20:13] Guest36: Does your kernel line in grub.cfg mention something about crypt? [20:14] how can i change my netplan configuration from a chrooted environment? i'm using networkd as renderer [20:14] boot from a LiveCD, unlock the drive manually with cryptsetup, chroot into the root filesystem, reinstall cryptsetup and call update-initramfs https://askubuntu.com/questions/567730/gave-up-waiting-for-root-device-ubuntu-vg-root-doesnt-exist [20:20] oerheks Thanks === neocube is now known as paulneocube === paulneocube is now known as neocube [20:28] Is budgie released yet? [20:28] jhutchins: https://ubuntubudgie.org/ [20:29] https://ubuntubudgie.org/2022/10/ubuntu-budgie-22-10-released/ [20:29] leftyfb: Yep. === guest0910 is now known as guest0910-2 === guest0910-2 is now known as new-guest0910 === new-guest0910 is now known as guest0910 === pah is now known as pa === mkv is now known as m4v === cobraman is now known as cobraeriko [23:01] Hi everyone. How do I upgrade my OS from version 22.04 (jammy) to 22.10(kinetic) without reinstalling? [23:02] !ltsupgrade [23:02] Regular upgrades from the last but one LTS release to the latest LTS release, 22.04 "Jammy Jellyfish", are enabled days or weeks after 22.04.1 is released. This delay helps to ensure that any lingering issues are resolved before people upgrade production systems. If you'd prefer to upgrade now, use sudo do-release-upgrade -d [23:02] Meh.. [23:03] !upgradeofflts [23:03] To upgrade from an LTS release of Ubuntu to the next (non-LTS) release, run sudoedit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and change the prompt= line to "prompt=normal". Then, do sudo do-release-upgrade to begin the upgrade. [23:03] krytarik: Uhh ok so how long ago has 22.10 been released then and is it safe now? [23:04] You could also do this all through the Update Manager though. [23:05] 22.10 would indicate October last year and I believe it should have settled down enough by now. [23:05] cart_: 22.10 will only be supported until July [23:07] Jeremy31: So that means that 22.4 is even worse in terms of support? Or is it just that 22.10 is not LTS? [23:08] worse? [23:08] ? [23:08] I thought 22.10 was budgie. I'm confused. [23:08] if you need to ask " is it safe now?" stick to LTS [23:08] cart_: LTS releases are supported for 5 years. Non-LTA releases are supported for 9 months [23:08] cart_: Yes, 22.10 is not an LTS release while 22.04 is. [23:08] jhutchins: budge is a flavor, not a release [23:09] cart_: I would recommend sticking with 22.04 [23:09] M'kay. [23:10] So we have Kinetic Budgie now, right? [23:10] yes [23:10] jhutchins: https://ubuntubudgie.org/downloads/ [23:12] sarnold: Thanks, I'm just trying to keep the players straight. [23:18] jhutchins: Every flavor that I know of has a Kinetic version, except for Ubuntu Kylin. [23:21] Ok thanks guys! [23:22] We were doing a run on "b" names there for a while, that's what confused me. [23:23] you and me both [23:25] If I'm reading the confusion right, then that'd be "Kinetic Kudu" [23:37] Hello I am new to IRC and have a Ubuntu support question. Can I ask it here? [23:37] !ask | cobraeriko [23:37] cobraeriko: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [23:45] cobraeriko: In other words, "Yes". [23:46] Can I transfer my filesystem from an old SSD that had Ubuntu installed to my new SSD that has Ubuntu installed without transfering the old OS? [23:47] cobraeriko: don't do that [23:47] cobraeriko: Selected files perhaps. [23:47] cobraeriko: I would just stick with a fresh install on the new SSD and copy over files as you need them, mainly from your home directory [23:48] I've a computation that runs for 2 days on an ubuntu machine. I would like to run apt update/upgrade after that, reboot that machine, then start again. Is there something you see as a problem in this approach? This machine continously does computation, 2 days at a time. [23:48] If your hardware allows, just leave the old disk connected and you can go back and grab whatever you need. [23:49] with a fresh Ubuntu installed on the new SSD, can I use rsync to transfer applications and settings? [23:49] or perhaps I can force the unattended upgrades once my 2 day computation is done? [23:49] confluence: you CAN, but depending on the difference in age between the 2 different releases, some app configs might not work correctly [23:49] cobraeriko: I would recommend installing the new versions of the software and applying the configuration. [23:49] pycurious: sounds like a job for ansible or salt [23:50] cobraeriko: THis is what an upgrade makes much easier, the process preserves application settings while upgrading the versions. [23:50] leftyfb: in that case i'll have to control that machine from another machine? [23:50] pycurious: ansible can be run locally [23:50] leftyfb: I was hoping to make this machine independent - just run update/upgrade/reboot - run things again. [23:50] I'm not sure about salt, I only know of it and the concept, I don't have experience with it [23:51] pycurious: Is there a reson it's not worth your time to apply and observe the changes yourself? [23:51] pycurious: ansible or a shell script would do [23:51] leftyfb: isnt it painful to get ansible to reboot and regain command of the same machine? [23:51] pycurious: Not really. [23:51] pycurious: you would keep state somehow [23:51] jhutchins: this machine needs to be run 24/7 - downtime is cost. When I run it manually - I've to wait for 2 days to apply changes or else that experiment is bad. [23:51] write a log file or state file or something [23:52] pycurious: Zero downtime is a dangerous falicy. Allow for it. [23:53] pycurious: Or, y'know, don't upgrade. There's no real reason for a research machine to have to be bleeding edge. [23:53] jhutchins: everytime a driver update comes, the 2 day experiment is toast - I need a way to avoid that. Manually waiting and then updating is painful [23:53] pycurious: I've known legacy industrial machines to run for years on the same version. [23:54] pycurious: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. [23:54] pycurious: also sounds like a job for a proper CI environment [23:54] pycurious: like jenkins [23:54] jhutchins: security guys complain when we dont update… [23:56] pycurious: Disable unattended upgrades entirely, then integrade the update/upgrade/reboot into whatever script runs your experiment. [23:56] *integrate [23:56] And make the script start upon bootup so that when the system boots, it starts running your processing thingy. [23:56] Then it will boot, start processing, two days later finish, update, upgrade, reboot, and start all over again. [23:57] arraybolt3: whats the best way to run that script at boot? [23:57] pycurious: systemd [23:57] pycurious: If the user on the machine automatically logs in (which I assume it does), just throw it in ~/.profile. [23:58] Or yeah, you can use systemd but that's a pain. [23:58] no it's not [23:58] ~/.profile is a hack at best [23:58] leftyfb: OK well then what's the non-painful way to do it, because making a custon systemd unit ain't where it's at IMO :P though I guess your way has more technical advantages. [23:59] crontab @reboot? [23:59] Custom systemd unit is just a few lines in a text file. [23:59] https://www.shellhacks.com/systemd-service-file-example/ [23:59] :shrug: Well I find it to be difficult, but I guess if it's one time then it's not that bad.