[15:01] <stuartlangridge> The screensaver doesn't turn off my screen after it's been running for a while, despite having the power manager settings saying that it should. I can manually turn the screen off with "xset dpms force off" (so DPMS works) but if I do that, the screen turns off for a second and then the screensaver turns on, which turns the screen back on. Is there
[15:01] <stuartlangridge> some way I should be fixing this? I'm running 22.04.
[15:02] <gnrp> stuartlangridge: There are two settings for this. One is the energy settings, the other one in the screensaver settings. Did you check both?
[15:02] <stuartlangridge> hm. I didn't know about energy settings
[15:03] <stuartlangridge> where will I find the energy settings? They don't seem to be in the settings manager
[15:03] <stuartlangridge> (that is: a search in the settings manager for "energy" doesn't show anything)
[15:03] <gnrp> "power manager" or so?
[15:04] <stuartlangridge> ah, the power manager settings are the ones I set
[15:04] <gnrp> sorry, cannot help with that, I'm not on an English system
[15:04] <gnrp> ah, then search for screensaver
[15:04] <stuartlangridge> I don't think there's anything about screen power in the screensaver settings; there's just a button which leads to the power manager settings?
[15:07] <gnrp> on th esecond tab, what does it say after what time it is activated?
[15:07] <gnrp> ah, sorry, I mis-read your initial question anyway
[15:08] <deadrom> hi
[15:09] <deadrom> odd question: why is the cursor in Terminal sometimes a box, sometimes a square? https://paste.pics/205868798151ebeaaa8995d9600aac73
[15:11] <deadrom> defocus/focus window changes it usually but sometimes not. minor cosmetic bug I think
[15:16] <stuartlangridge> My current screensaver and power manager settings: https://i.imgur.com/qo8zdeN.png
[15:17] <stuartlangridge> basically:
[15:17] <stuartlangridge> Screensaver > Lock Screen > Lock the screen after the screensaver is active for [8] minutes (I think this is working ok)
[15:17] <stuartlangridge> Power Manager > Display > Blank after [10] minutes, Put to sleep after [11] minutes, Switch off after [12] minutes (these are not working; the screensaver comes on, and stays on forever without the screen ever switching off)
[15:20] <gnrp> stuartlangridge: If you put that setting to 0 actually?
[15:20] <gnrp> ah, no, sorry. I mean, the "Regard the computer as idle" setting. If you set it to 10, the same as the blanking?
[15:20] <gnrp> and the other screen saver setting to 0
[15:21] <gnrp> or actually, what is your goal? You want the screen blank and the screensavre to be active, but locking, after 10 minutes=?
[15:21] <gnrp> deadrom: Full is the one that is focussed, empty the unfocussed one
[15:21] <gnrp> if you put e.g. the two next to each other and open a third window, both would go empty
[15:24] <stuartlangridge> gnrp: so, what I would like to happen is that after a few minutes of idling, the screensaver turns on, and then a few minutes after that, the screen locker is enabled and the monitor turns off. (The idea here is that when the screensaver turns on, I can wiggle the mouse and get my screen back, without having to put in my password, but if I leave it
[15:24] <stuartlangridge> alone for longer than that, the monitor turns off and then to get back in I need to enter a password).
[15:25] <gnrp> then maybe set the screensavre to active for five minutes (after idle), the locking after 0 minutes, and the other settings to stay. What happens then?
[15:25] <gnrp> ah, and btw, do you maybe have also some GPU driver software that coul dhave its own settings? I had this with NV GPUs
[15:27] <stuartlangridge> I don't think I have extra gpu driver software? I haven't installed any deliberately. I have an AMD card.
[15:29] <stuartlangridge> I have the screensaver active after 5 minutes of idle; this is right. I then have it set to lock 8 minutes after that (so that the screensaver is on but not locked between idle minute 5 and idle minute 13). In power management, it's set to "blank after 10 minutes" (sleep after 11, switch off after 12), but it doesn't say when it starts counting
[15:29] <stuartlangridge> that 10 minutes?
[15:29] <gnrp> it should start from the idling moment on
[15:30] <gnrp> I don't actually know... but my guess would be that probably the screensaver might be a non-idle application so the power management does not take over?
[15:30] <stuartlangridge> ok. So, if you do "xset dpms force off", and it turns your monitor off, does the screensaver then start and turn your monitor back on?
[15:30] <stuartlangridge> mine does, and that's what I want to fix, and I don't know how
[15:31] <stuartlangridge> if the screensaver counts as non-idle and that keeps the screen alive then that's... surely wrongly designed? :)
[15:32] <stuartlangridge> I'm happy to file a bug about this somewhere, but I don't know where that should be. https://xubuntu.org/help/ doesn't mention any bug filing.
[15:34] <gnrp> ah, and btw, is there maybe a setting for this screensaver you chose?
[15:35] <gnrp> (the settings button below the list of screensavers)
[15:37] <stuartlangridge> there is, but there's nothing in there about power management or displays; it lets me set the frame rate and whether there's an eye showing
[15:39] <gnrp> maybe try a different screen saver and see whether the behavior is reproducable
[15:39] <gnrp> this way you could nail down whether it's the screen saver or a power seetings thing
[15:43] <stuartlangridge> ah, it happens with all screen savers, sadly. (I was using the coloured squares one which is the only one that was there, before I installed the xscreensaver-* packages to get the others.)
[19:35] <kiki_h> I accidentally deleted the launcher. Is there a way I can get it back on screen so I can access my programs and stuff not only through the terminal? Left click doesn't help.
[19:37] <kiki_h> (right click)
[19:56] <matteo_> hi