[00:23] <kwak> Is it normal for /etc/apt/preferences.d to be empty?
[00:27] <leftyfb> kwak: yes
[00:27] <oerheks> yes.
[00:28] <kwak> Ok.
[01:38] <kwak> I'm using Ubuntu, and a popup appeared while running sudo apt-get upgrade. Given that Ubuntu stupidly accepts your keypress as a popup selection without any grace period whatsoever, I of course hit space and made a selection. After that, apt-get upgrade started throwing "Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returend an error code (1)" errors. What was the popup?
[01:42] <hassletime> what is gong on here...hassle@hassle-System-Product-Name:~$ sudo snap install discord
[01:42] <hassletime> error: snap "discord" has "install-snap" change in progress
[01:54] <izwetz> question for anyone here, has anyone else run into an issue with Ubuntu search feature not allowing selection of anything with mouse or keyboard on search in the home menu?
[01:57] <hassletime> anyone actively helping atm?
[01:57] <izwetz> no
[01:57] <hassletime> roger that
[01:59] <izwetz> I tried digging around on bug tracker and forums but couldnt find anything that could help (probably because wording it somewhat difficult)
[02:15] <izwetz> bump..
[02:22] <ubuntu> hi
[02:22] <Guest6796> ok
[02:22] <Guest6796> hi
[02:44] <puba> which is the most installed ide on ubuntu?
[02:45] <tomreyn> vim
[02:46] <grym> "ide" is kind of a badly defined term
[02:46] <tomreyn> of course, that's just a guess, since many would install it to edit configuration files, too
[02:46] <tomreyn> and there are no public statistics for ubuntu
[02:47] <puba> thanks, which do you guess are the 3 most popular?
[02:48] <theorem> hmm, ok then ..
[02:48] <theorem> so, I have an install of ubuntu on a USB drive
[02:48] <theorem> it was bootable, but now, it is not, it's no longer an option in my grub startup menu
[02:49] <theorem> I suspect that grub has removed it as a startup option as the system has gone through a kernel update and skipped inbluding the device in the grub changes.
[02:49] <puba> grym: why?
[02:49] <theorem> I'd like to boot the USB device again -- and using it like a 'live cd' like I was using it as before.
[02:49] <theorem> what do I need to do with grub, or the USB drive to boot it ?
[02:50] <theorem> (non UEFI )
[02:51] <grym> puba: there's a continuum from "barebones text editor" to "giant big IDE tool", and where you draw the line between them isn't something there's universal consensus on
[02:52] <esv> hey folks, I am trying to setup a strongswan vpn using the vpn settings gui in ubuntu 22.04, I am getting received proposals: ESP:AES_GCM_16_256/NO_EXT_SEQ, to which my connection does not seem configured to receive
[02:52] <esv> but can't find where to configure it
[02:53] <esv> it seems older versions provided a setting to add special ike/esp configuration to the VPN tunnel but that option is gone in 22.04
[02:54] <puba> grym: ok thanks, so, where do most programmers using ubuntu do their coding? (top 3 guess)
[02:54] <grym> puba: in which languages
[02:54] <esv> does anyone know how to add that proposal to my vpn setting?
[02:55] <puba> grym: oksay python
[02:55] <grym> puba: pycharm or vscode are both quite populare
[02:55] <tomreyn> esv: "proposals attributes in swanctl.conf": https://docs.strongswan.org/docs/5.9/config/IKEv2CipherSuites.html
[02:56] <puba> ok, thanks
[02:57] <grym> puba: i write a lot of python; i use pycharm and emacs, most often
[02:57] <puba> grym: thanks, and which is a good lightweight one?
[02:58] <grym> puba: i guess vscode? see this is where it gets to that "nobody agrees" part
[02:59] <puba> pycharm isn't in the softwarecenter
[03:00] <puba> i see thonny eric
[03:00] <grym> so?
[03:00] <grym> thonny is an interesting little tool; useful for teaching, but less so for "real work"
[03:00] <tomreyn> esv: if this is a site-to-site vpn with a proprietary / hosted counterpart claiming "strongswan compatible", i recommend also studying the documentation of the counter part, just because much can go wrong and it's not rare that little implementation details (such as "oh and this is actually not supported" or "oh and we actually handle this differently") can make the difference between you living a happy life and going nuts, especially if you
[03:00] <tomreyn> need to coordinate about this with another party managing the remote.
[03:01] <leftyfb> puba: snap search pycharm
[03:01] <grym> pycharm's snap can get a little weird
[03:02] <grym> getting community off of jetbrains directly is more reliable
[03:02] <puba> what do you think of eric?
[03:02] <leftyfb> grym: sure, though that would be unsupported here
[03:03] <grym> leftyfb: so? :P
[03:03] <leftyfb> puba: I think we should take this conversation to #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:03] <esv> tomreyn, yeah, the guide I am following does not seem to account for nothing
[03:04] <leftyfb> grym: we tend to recommend software that is from the official ubuntu repo's so we can help with them if there's problems
[03:04] <puba> okk thanks
[04:25] <santa5324> hi im tring to inaall tsurugi linux os on my laptop the 2023 beta iso and i keep getting a grub error so it installs but then when i try to boot it it boots into the grub command line and i keep trying to trouble shoot it but theres not a lot of info on tsurugi linux and i can boot into it if i run super grub2 on a usb and search for my os°s and then i can run it properly
[04:26] <leftyfb> santa5324: you'll need to seek support from "tsurugi linux". We can only support Ubuntu and the official flavors here.
[04:27] <santa5324> if anyone can help me id really appreciate it thank you
[04:27] <santa5324> it is ran with ubuntu
[04:27] <leftyfb> santa5324: sorry, but it is not an official release of ubuntu and cannot be supported here. Please seek support from tsurugi linux
[04:29] <arraybolt3> Unofficial derivatives of Ubuntu frequently apply customizations that we aren't equipped to handle, thus why we ask that questions about them be taken elsewhere.
[04:30] <leftyfb> santa5324: good luck
[04:35] <ymd> I need to pin my php installation to 8.1.  My puppet logs indicates that I am installing php8.1.  But then my composer install run fails because php8.2 is deployed, rather than 8.1.  These is no evidence in the logs that php8.2 is installed.  Somehow it is being inadvertently upgraded in the background.  Any ideas on why that might be? or at least how it is I can pin php at 8.1 and preventing this
[04:35] <ymd> upgrade?
[04:36] <arraybolt3> ymd: unattended-upgrades might be biting you. Are you using apt pinning?
[04:36] <arraybolt3> ymd: Also, what version of Ubuntu are you on?
[04:38] <leftyfb> ymd: php8.2 isn't available on any ubuntu releases. Remove the custom repository you have for php8.2
[04:38] <morgan_u> totally new problem. screencapture is borked and I have one square light spot on my screen and nothing happens when I invoke screenshot and I dont know what to do to reset it.
[04:38] <leftyfb> ymd: then you don't have to pin 8.1 as that is the default
[04:38] <ymd> yes, apt-get under the hood.  no, but believe I need to pin this.  I have only used pinning a couple of times, but it has been years.  Can you give me a clue, please to get me started?  preferably a cli invocation I can easily automate?  is there a tool I can use for this purpose?
[04:39] <ymd> ah, thanks, leftyfb.  I am using an upstream repo.  I will try that.
[04:39] <leftyfb> ymd: (uname -a ; cat /etc/os-release ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[04:41] <ymd> arraybolt3, leftyfb : https://termbin.com/uvqfc
[04:41] <ymd> nice trick with nc.  Had not seen that before.
[04:42] <arraybolt3> ymd: Is there a reason you have to use the upstream repo?
[04:42] <arraybolt3> php is in the Main repo in Ubuntu, so it will get backported security updates.
[04:42] <arraybolt3> Unless you need *features* from a newer version, the version in Ubuntu should do what you need.
[04:42] <leftyfb> ymd: php8.1 isn't available in Ubuntu 20.04
[04:42] <leftyfb> you should upgrade to 22.04
[04:42] <arraybolt3> Oh, didn't realize this was Focal. My bad.
[06:05] <Lazlo> does anyone know offhand how to rebuild kernel modules for nvidia on ubuntu?  I'm only seeing pre-built modules in apt, is there no dkms package?
[06:15] <arraybolt3> Lazlo: I do not believe there is a DKMS package.
[06:17] <hassletime> anyone around to help yet?
[06:22] <tomreyn> hassletime: ask your actual question and see what happens ;)
[06:23] <hassletime> tomreyn, https://pastebin.com/Pm4D5xDb
[06:25] <tomreyn> hassletime: do you have an ubuntu support question?
[06:27] <hassletime> that is ubuntu
[06:27] <hassletime> terminal question
[06:28] <hassletime> why am i having that error trying to use snap
[06:31] <hassletime> dont worry it fixed itself
[06:31] <tomreyn> hassletime: the message seems to indicate that an installation of the discord package is already taking place
[06:32] <hassletime> yea ...took 1 hour lol
[06:32] <tomreyn> hassletime: how did you solve it then?
[06:32] <hassletime> something wasnt right ...but it got there
[06:32] <hassletime> i didnt
[06:32] <hassletime> it solved itself
[06:32] <hassletime> lol
[06:32] <hassletime> i just tired again and it worked :)
[06:32] <tomreyn> computer magic!
[06:32] <hassletime> strange but true
[06:32] <hassletime> lol
[06:33] <hassletime> some type of witchcraft no doubt
[06:33] <hassletime> :P
[06:33] <tomreyn> glad i didn't have to help with snap
[06:33] <hassletime> ^5
[06:33] <hassletime> where ya from tomreyn
[06:33] <hassletime> ?
[06:34] <tomreyn> an internet near you. i prefer to keep it completely topical here.
[06:34] <hassletime> oh ok no worries fair
[06:34] <hassletime> australia here
[06:34] <hassletime> :)
[06:35] <tomreyn> there are other ubuntu channels, if you're interested:
[06:35] <tomreyn> !alis
[06:35] <hassletime> any you recommand
[06:36] <tomreyn> not really. ;)
[06:36] <hassletime> haha
[06:36] <hassletime> well there ya have
[06:36] <hassletime> i get most answers asking here so no biggy
[06:37] <hassletime> has snap been around a long time?
[06:37] <hassletime> or is it something added in the last few years?
[06:38] <tomreyn> it's been added to the desktop in the past years
[06:38] <tomreyn> sorry, i got to get some stuff organized, bbl, but there are others here if you have more questions.
[06:45] <hassletime> tomreyn, got another question for you
[06:46] <arraybolt3> hassletime: tomreyn had to leave for a bit, but I'm available at the moment.
[06:46] <hassletime> in the applications folder,there isnt a firefox shortcut to add to the desktop
[06:46] <hassletime> arraybolt3, thanks
[06:47] <arraybolt3> hassletime: By "applications folder", do you mean /usr/share/applications?
[06:47] <hassletime> yes sirt
[06:47] <hassletime> sir
[06:47] <arraybolt3> That's probably because Firefox is a Snap in Ubuntu 22.04. Lemme see if I can find where it actually will be.
[06:47] <hassletime> thank you
[06:48] <arraybolt3> hassletime: Look at /snap/firefox/current/firefox.desktop, that's probably what you're looking for.
[06:49] <hassletime> ok thanks looking
[06:50] <hassletime> yep that works
[06:50] <hassletime> but...
[06:50] <hassletime> there is no icon its like a blank
[06:51] <hassletime> like a blank txt file type thingy
[06:51] <arraybolt3> hassletime: I'm guessing you just copied the file from its original location to the desktop?
[06:51] <hassletime> that i did
[06:51] <arraybolt3> If so, I think I know why it's doing that.
[06:51] <hassletime> ok
[06:52] <arraybolt3> The .desktop file references a file "/default256.png", which is at /snap/firefox/current/default256.png. I believe the desktop file is correct for within the Snap, but now that it's outside the Snap, you may need to tweak it.
[06:52] <arraybolt3> Can you open the .desktop file in a text editor?
[06:53] <hassletime> yes
[06:54] <arraybolt3> OK, look for the "Icon" entry in it.
[06:54] <hassletime> ok
[06:55] <arraybolt3> When you find it, change it from 'Icon=/default256.png' to 'Icon=/snap/firefox/current/default256.png', and then save and close.
[06:57] <hassletime> it doesnt give me the save option
[06:57] <hassletime> you are trying to save on a read only disk
[06:57] <arraybolt3> hassletime: You're editing the one on your desktop, not the one in the /snap/firefox/current folder itself, right?
[06:57] <arraybolt3> hassletime: Ah, you opened the wrong one.
[06:58] <arraybolt3> hassletime: Edit the one that you copied to your desktop, not the one in the Snap itself.
[06:58] <hassletime> scratches head
[06:58] <hassletime> ok
[06:58] <arraybolt3> (Snaps are contained in compressed squashfs files that are read-only, so you can't modify files inside a Snap. But you should be able to modify files that you copied from a Snap onto the main filesystem.)
[06:59] <hassletime> you are right
[06:59] <hassletime> and i now have a icon
[06:59] <hassletime> its crazy you know this lol
[07:00] <arraybolt3> hassletime: :P I do a lot of this stuff in my free time.
[07:04] <hassletime> crazy!!
[07:10] <hassletime> arraybolt3, you still about
[07:13] <arraybolt3> hassletime: Yep.
[07:13] <hassletime> ok here we go
[07:13] <hassletime> you know the files icon that is on the dock window thingy
[07:14] <arraybolt3> Yeah.
[07:14] <arraybolt3> (I assume you're talking about the bar on the left side of the screen when you say "dock window thingy".)
[07:14] <hassletime> how do i get that as a shortcut on the desktop and change the icon to a computer ...lol
[07:14] <hassletime> correct lol
[07:15] <arraybolt3> Hmm, that's a good question. Hang on just a moment...
[07:15] <arraybolt3> ...ok this might take a few moments, I'm using a different flavor of Ubuntu on my main computer and am booting up a VM to check this.
[07:16] <hassletime> ok
[07:16] <hassletime> :)
[07:16] <arraybolt3> OK, I see how to change an icon, lemme just find a computer-looking icon now.
[07:16] <hassletime> ok :P
[07:19] <arraybolt3> OK, got it!
[07:19] <arraybolt3> Alright, there should be a "Home" icon on your desktop by default, yes?
[07:19] <hassletime> hahah!!!!
[07:19] <hassletime> correct
[07:19] <arraybolt3> hassletime: OK, right click that, then click Properties.
[07:19] <hassletime> yep
[07:19] <arraybolt3> Now you'll see the folder icon in the big middle of the window - click it.
[07:20] <arraybolt3> Now, you'll see "Select Custom Icon" pop up.
[07:20] <arraybolt3> Click "Other Locations" in the left sidebar.
[07:20] <arraybolt3> Now double-click "Computer" (it should have a / at the far right).
[07:20] <hassletime> ok looking
[07:20] <arraybolt3> You should see folders like "bin", "boot", etc. once you're in the right place.
[07:21] <hassletime> yep im in there
[07:21] <arraybolt3> OK, now double-click "usr" (near the bottom of the screen).
[07:21] <arraybolt3> Then "share".
[07:21] <arraybolt3> Scroll down to find "icons" and double-click that next.
[07:22] <hassletime> yep
[07:22] <arraybolt3> Then "Yaru".
[07:22] <hassletime> yep
[07:22] <arraybolt3> Then "32x32".
[07:22] <arraybolt3> "devices".
[07:22] <arraybolt3> computer.png
[07:22] <arraybolt3> Once you double-click that, the icon will be selected.
[07:22] <arraybolt3> Now it won't automatcially change.
[07:23] <hassletime> ok
[07:23] <arraybolt3> To get it to change, you'll need to get the desktop to refresh, and so far the easiest way I know to do that is to log out and log back in.
[07:23] <arraybolt3> Once you're logged in, you should see the new icon in place.
[07:23] <hassletime> ok
[07:23] <hassletime> doing that
[07:24] <hassletime> woot woot
[07:24] <arraybolt3> \o/
[07:24] <hassletime> worked like a charm
[07:24] <hassletime> AMAZING!!!
[07:25] <oerheks> !cookie | arraybolt3
[07:25] <hassletime> ^...points ...your good you are...you..your ...good
[07:25] <arraybolt3> If you want, you can also remove the Files app from your dock or whatever it's called.
[07:25] <hassletime> ok
[07:26] <arraybolt3> hassletime: lol, glad I'm able to help. You can just right-click the folder icon in the dock and click "Remove from favorites" to get rid of it.
[07:26] <arraybolt3> oerheks: nom nom
[07:27] <hassletime> it gone now..
[07:27] <hassletime> :P
[07:27] <arraybolt3> And that should probably have done what you wanted by moving it to the desktop and making it look like a computer. In the event you decide that having it in the dock is more convenient, you can open the Application Menu, search for "Files", then right-click it and click "Add to favorites", I believe.
[07:27] <arraybolt3> Yeah that works.
[07:27] <arraybolt3> (And there's even a way to make it look like a computer in the dock, I believe.)
[07:28] <hassletime> awesome mate thanks heaps ...this has been fun ...
[07:28] <hassletime> ill have more things i would like to do tomorrow ...on lets help hassle
[07:28] <hassletime> off to dinner at the sisters now :)
[07:28] <arraybolt3> o/ Nice, see you later!
[07:29] <hassletime> thanks again !!! talk soon arraybolt3 :)
[07:29] <arraybolt3> :)
[07:29] <arraybolt3> (Note that I may not be here next time, but usually someone will be.)
[07:31] <hassletime> :(
[07:31] <hassletime> ill keep a eye out
[07:31] <hassletime> lol
[07:37] <arraybolt3> :)
[07:37] <arraybolt3> BenC: Any chance you could fix your connection?
[07:38] <arraybolt3> BenC: Sorry, tab complete fail. Please disregard my last message.
[07:38] <arraybolt3> Bencraft: Any chance you could fix your connection?
[09:19] <Guest59> Hello, I can't reach internet from my home network. My (pfsense) router seems to work fine, I can ping and curl stuff. My (ubuntu) client appears connected (ip a says UP) but I can't ping anything. Can anyone help me troubleshoot this?
[09:22] <Guest59> `dig` seems to work on both my router and my client
[09:50] <Guest59> I rebooted my router and it works now. No idea what happend, I wish I knew..
[11:38] <webchat30> Hi
[11:38] <webchat30> I am using linux for the first time in my life. I bought a dedicated server and installed the Ubuntu 20.04 desktop LTS distribution in it. local system is windows. I created a user in linux and I added it to the sudo group. While I can paste something I copied from windows to the terminal or mousepad in the root user, I cannot do this in the other
[11:38] <webchat30> user I created.
[11:42] <webchat30> anybody here ?
[11:42] <BedMan> what error message do you get?
[11:43] <BedMan> webchat30: are you still here? :)
[11:44] <webchat30> I am not getting any errors. I can't just paste from local machine to linux or from linux to local machine. but i can copy paste in linux
[11:45] <BedMan> so, you're running a virtual linux host, or it's a separeate computer?
[11:45] <BedMan> you need to use a terminal program to log in to the linux host from your windows box
[11:46] <BedMan> putty or some such
[11:46] <webchat30> I rented a separate computer with its own hardware specs via hetzner.com
[11:47] <BedMan> How are you getting there?
[11:47] <webchat30> im using bitvise
[11:49] <webchat30> i am using Bitvise SSH client for connection
[11:49] <BedMan> bvterm?
[11:50] <webchat30> no xterm
[11:51] <BedMan> cut and paste on xterm is usually done with middle button on your mouse
[11:51] <BedMan> (if you have 3)
[11:51] <BedMan> sometimes depressing the scroll wheel doubles for it
[11:52] <BedMan> select a region with left button, paste it with middle button
[11:54] <webchat30> but the problem is that in root user i can paste text from local system with ctrl+shift C/V. but the user I created and added to the sudo group I can't do that either
[11:54] <webchat30> I think there is a problem with permissions
[11:57] <BedMan> permissions and cut/paste are separate issues, generally
[11:58] <webchat30> Yes i can't understand what the problem is
[11:58] <webchat30> When I searched, no one had this problem.
[11:59] <BedMan> cut and paste are handled by the host OS.  windows in your case.
[11:59] <BedMan> you're running a terminal program on windows to get into the unix host
[11:59] <webchat30> Why can the root user copy paste while the added user cant?
[11:59] <BedMan> as such - the problem lies with windows
[12:00] <BedMan> reasonable question - it must have something to do with the terminal program
[12:00] <BedMan> and settings that it has.
[12:01] <BedMan> I'm not familiar with bitvise - I use openssh and iTerm2 from my mac, which is always consistent
[12:02] <BedMan> I've used ubuntu as a desktop OS too, which uses the mouse for cut and paste, and only some applications implement the control C/V stuff
[12:02] <BedMan> in fact, the cut/copy/paste buffer in X11 is very differently implemented than on windows
[12:02] <webchat30> Yes, I thought the problem was with the computer. I connected to the server with another computer and it had the same problem. root can copy paste but user cannot.
[12:02] <webchat30> same situation
[12:03] <BedMan> Hmmmm
[12:03] <BedMan> describe to me what you mean by connecting to the server please
[12:03] <BedMan> how are you doing that?
[12:04] <webchat30> connect to seperate computer
[12:05] <BedMan> how do you connect to the server?
[12:05] <webchat30> with bitvise ssh client
[12:07] <BedMan> what protocol?  are you using ssh or x11 desktop?
[12:08] <webchat30> sorry i don't know that i'm a bit of an old man :D
[12:09] <BedMan> ok - so when you connect, do you get a login screen, or do you just get a # or $ prompt?
[12:10] <webchat30> there is a login screen
[12:10] <bhechinger> How do I instruct linux on which kernel module to load for a specific device?
[12:11] <bhechinger> I need to use the non-stock driver for this usb nic. The one provided with ubuntu has stability issues.
[12:15] <webchat30> Why might it be caused? bedman
[12:15] <BedMan> so that's an x11 implementation...
[12:16] <BedMan> there could be a bazilion things up with that...  it's probably the last thing you're going to check tho :-p
[12:18] <webchat30> Thank you for your time, I will continue to research
[12:22] <ogra> bhechinger, blacklist the existing module in /etc/modules-load.d/ https://askubuntu.com/questions/110341/how-to-blacklist-kernel-modules ... then force the one you want via adding it to /etc/modules
[12:22] <ogra> bhechinger, you might want to run update-initramfs too if you need the module before login during boot
[12:23] <bhechinger> Need it for a system started VM so it may not be a terrible idea to have it in the initramfs. Thanks ogra!
[13:24] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:32] <mlvn> really thought no one been using this anymore
[13:35] <deadrom> hi. added user to users group. new terminal or login shell with bash -l : groups does not show new group. what's missing?
[13:37] <mlvn> same question here
[13:37] <tomreyn> deadrom: i don't know, but try newgrp?
[13:41] <p3lim> how do I get rid of an instanced systemd service? e.g. I want to get rid of myservice@foo, but not myservice@ or myservice@bar
[13:42] <mlvn> does opensuse still works?
[13:58] <leftyfb> !ot | mlvn
[14:10] <deadrom> mlvn, did it ever? :D
[14:11] <deadrom> tomreyn, that seems hackish of sorts dunnit?
[14:12] <deadrom> like crowbaring a temp thing in
[14:14] <geirha> deadrom: it will take effect next time you log in. For existing sessions, you can run  newgrp users  to get a shell with that group membership in effect
[14:15] <deadrom> that was easier in the past. much longer chain from kernel bottom to the X top these days
[14:16] <leftyfb> deadrom: the kernel has nothing to do with it. This has always been how it's worked. If you change group settings for a logged in user, they won't take affect until you log out and back in
[14:17] <deadrom> in the past, couple years back, spawning a new login session would do it. bash -l <- shell with new group
[14:20] <geirha> running bash -l does not log you in, never has
[14:20] <leftyfb> nor out
[14:20] <leftyfb> deadrom: that is just plain wrong
[14:21] <deadrom> a login shell invokes the login process
[14:21] <deadrom> that's what -l does
[14:21] <geirha> no, it doesn't
[14:21] <deadrom> well then tell the maintainers their manpage is wrong
[14:21] <geirha> the shell reads some different files on startup with the -l option, but that's about it
[14:27] <deadrom> ah. could have been that was a profile nicety in another dist I used back then. ok ok. but then newgrp or reboot are my only options?
[14:28] <geirha> reboot is a bit harsh. Just logging out and back in again will suffice
[14:49] <deadrom> could well be I did all this so long ago that it was on Slackware with manual startx. that would explain my crude notion about X and login. well.
[14:52] <lblume> Good afternoon channel
[14:52] <lblume> Just a confirmation that I'm not failing my searches: there isn't a packaged version of the Horde webmail suite for Ubuntu 20.04?
[14:54] <leftyfb> lblume: pretty sure that is a dead project. It has seen a single commit in 2 years. Their website's last release was almost 9 years ago
[14:56] <leftyfb> sorry, the latest release on their site is from almost 6 years ago
[14:57] <leftyfb> lblume: the quick answer is, horde is not an available package in the official Ubuntu repos, more than likely due to the reasons above
[14:59] <geirha> deadrom: when logging in on a virtual console, login(1) is the process that sets up a new session, then invokes the login shell listed in passwd. For graphical log in, gdm (or lightdm, kdm or whichever) is the one that does that
[15:00] <lblume> leftyfb: *sigh* You're probably right, it's still not fun to migrate :(
[15:00] <lblume> But thanks anyway:)
[15:44] <FKAShinobi> what is the preferred application for audio / video editing?
[15:46] <jhutchins> FKAShinobi: Depends on who you ask.
[15:46] <jhutchins> FKAShinobi: Which are you editing?
[15:48] <FKAShinobi> jhutchins: Both, I want to edit some home movies, I've ripped from VHS. That will include audio and video. I may hook up my guitar to my machine at some point later on.
[15:49] <arraybolt3> FKAShinobi: It's ultimately a matter of personal preference. I personally use Audacity for audio editing and Kdenlive for video.
[15:50] <arraybolt3> Some people like Shotcut for video editing, and Ardour is supposedly good for audio editing too (though in my experience it can be tricky to work with as it's a full Digital Audio Workstation and not just an audio editor).
[15:50] <arraybolt3> If you want an extreme solution that gives you pretty much everything you could ever hope to have for digital creativity, you could also install Ubuntu Studio.
[15:51] <arraybolt3> It's specifically designed for professional video, audio, graphics, etc. work.
[15:51] <arraybolt3> (It doesn't come with every single possible app preinstalled, but the number of apps it does come with is mindblowing.)
[15:51] <FKAShinobi> arraybolt3: I was thinking of installing it because of the low latency kernel. Guitarix wasn't working well with the standard Ubuntu install.
[15:52] <arraybolt3> From what I've read, that should really help.
[15:52] <arraybolt3> If you don't want to dual-boot and are OK with transforming your whole current install into Ubuntu Studio, there's an Ubuntu Studio Installer that you can try using on your existing install of Ubuntu.
[15:52] <FKAShinobi> Does Kdenlive install all the KDE environment, or does it work with gnome?
[15:53] <leftyfb> attempting to install kdenlive on my gnome system wants to install 269 packages
[15:53] <arraybolt3> It will install quite a few KDE libraries and whatnot, but it should work with GNOME. You won't have to do anything drastic like switch DE.
[15:54] <arraybolt3> (You can run GNOME apps on KDE and vice versa, you'll just have to install a lot of the DE-related dependencies for the "other DE" if you do so. That shouldn't cause trouble though.)
[15:54] <arraybolt3> FKAShinobi: There's also an official Kdenlive AppImage.
[15:54] <FKAShinobi> So why doesn't ubuntu just use the low latency kernel from Ubuntu studio? Did they strip out too much?
[15:55] <arraybolt3> The low latency kernel has some tradeoffs.
[15:55] <arraybolt3> Basically the generic kernel does everything as fast as possible even if it means delaying some things to get other things done.
[15:55] <arraybolt3> The low latency kernel tries to avoid delays at the expense of doing overall work slower.
[15:55] <Eickmeyer> TL;DR: Power usage.
[15:56] <arraybolt3> FKAShinobi: Eickmeyer is the Ubuntu Studio flavor lead, so he'll know way more about this than I do.
[15:57] <Eickmeyer> The lower the latency, the higher the hardware to hardware throughput, and the higher the power usage. You wouldn't want to run it full-time on a laptop, and the generic kernel is meant to be just that: a generic kernel meant to be installed on as many devices as possible.
[15:57] <FKAShinobi> So Ubuntu Studio basically uses more power in order to avoid delays?
[15:57] <Eickmeyer> FKAShinobi: The lowlatency kernel does.
[15:57] <Eickmeyer> Ubuntu Studio != lowlatency kernel, that's just the default kernel installed. You can install the lowlatency kernel on any flavor of Ubuntu.
[15:57] <Eickmeyer> !ubuntustudio-installer
[15:58] <FKAShinobi> Eickmeyer: so would I just get another boot option in grub?
[15:59] <Eickmeyer> FKAShinobi: Read it carefully. That's not what that says at all.
[16:00] <Eickmeyer> Unless you mean the kernel. Then, yes.
[16:01] <FKAShinobi> I'll check it out thanks!
[16:33] <sopparus> can you list start times for a systemctl service?
[16:33] <sopparus> my boot is very slow
[16:34] <sopparus> something is waiting for network, but cant find what
[16:36] <zaggynl> sopparus: sudo systemd-analyze and sudo systemd-analyze
[16:37] <zaggynl> er, systemd-analyze blame
[16:38] <sopparus> thanks
[16:38] <sopparus> 2min 132ms systemd-networkd-wait-online.service
[16:38] <sopparus> something must wait on that though?
[16:43] <rfm> sopparus, "systemd-analyze critical-chain" will show the dependency chain that's taking the longest
[16:45] <sopparus> thanks
[16:45] <sopparus> rfm: https://dumpinen.com/ePFMwKMg1aE
[16:45] <sopparus> so its docker?
[16:49] <jhutchins> sopparus: How hard is it to disable docker to see if that's the problem?
[17:26] <de-facto> i just wish some bright day that pulseaudio will be fixed, its still broken on my machine, the audio slider wildly wiggles on itself and sometimes it even switches by itself between headphones and hdmi audio
[17:27] <de-facto> it never worked correctly for me ever
[17:27] <de-facto> is there any possibility to disable those automatic functions, i dont what pulseaudio to change volume or switch output devices on itself
[17:29] <de-facto> in fact i would like to completely remove that functionality, i only want one constant volume at headphones, removing the possibility to change volume or output devices as that seems to be fundamentally broken
[17:29] <jhutchins> de-facto: What happens if you just remove pulseaudio?
[17:29] <de-facto> probably have no audio then?
[17:30] <ogra> and lose half the desktop ... pulse is pretty much a dependency of everythng desktop nowadays
[17:30] <ogra> you could perhaps try to switch to pipewire, depending on what release you are on
[17:32] <jhutchins> I suppose it depends on what you use on your desktop.  Dependencies can be overridden.  My audio is muted 95% of the time to prevent suprise outbursts.
[17:36] <ogra> in fact it is all desktop metapackages that depend on pulse nowadays ...
[17:36] <ogra> apt-cache rdepends pulseaudio|grep -c \\-desktop
[17:36] <ogra> 12
[17:37] <ogra> and i'm pretty sure the desktop will mis-function (hang on login or being slow etc etc) if it does not find the pulse socket
[17:38] <jhutchins> This implies that an Ubuntu desktop can not be used by deaf people.
[17:39] <jhutchins> Why would applications that only deal with text balk at no audio?
[17:39] <jhutchins> Maybe we need some sane dependency clean-up.
[17:43] <ogra> jhutchins, it is a decision of the various desktop envs (gnome made pulse a hard dependency ages ago ... kde too i think) ... why would deaf people bother about pulse at all ... it isnt like blind people uninstall the desktop UI either just because they can not see it, they still use the same apps you and I do
[17:45] <i-garrison> de-facto: guess you can do all of that by commenting out corresponding modules in default.pa
[17:47] <ogra> de-facto, what makes you think it is pulse at all ... randomly switching audio devices sunds more like a driver, alsa or kernel problem on the lower layer, not so much like somethig with the audio multiplexer daemon that sits on top
[17:47] <jhutchins> The rest of the desktop should not be held hostage if a minor convenience app like audio has a problem.
[17:48] <jhutchins> Just like the text-based OS should not fail just because the cartoons won't play.
[17:49] <ogra> jhutchins, well, you are free to create a desktop env without audio support ... the ones that exist hard depend on pulse ... and in newer iterations on pipewire ... not a decision ubuntu has made at all
[17:49] <jhutchins> Something Ubuntu could clean up if we chose.
[17:50] <ogra> if you have the money to pay maintaining a set of 100s of patches against all apps ...
[17:50] <ogra> (or find the community power to do it voluntary)
[17:51] <ogra> i dont think there are many people interested in it ... not even deaf people
[17:51] <ogra> but we're going far offtopic here ...
[17:59] <blackot> hello everyone
[17:59] <luna> hi
[17:59] <beardedgnu> hello blackot
[17:59] <beardedgnu> what brings you here today
[18:00] <respawn> this is  ubuntu help channel if you ned help ask here
[18:00] <respawn> for general chat go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:00] <blackot> thanks
[18:02] <beardedgnu> blackot has no questions
[18:03] <beardedgnu> must be an engineer
[18:03] <beardedgnu> i have plenty of questions
[18:03] <beardedgnu> can i shoot>?
[18:04] <beardedgnu> cause noone can answer them for me
[18:13] <leftyfb> !ask | beardedgnu
[18:14] <beardedgnu> ive asked it so many times without response. name me anything that in your experience improves performance in any way
[18:14] <leftyfb> beardedgnu: that's not an ubuntu support question
[18:16] <beardedgnu> if i want to make ubuntu faster it is
[18:16] <beardedgnu> i dont see why not right. it belongs at every distro
[18:16] <leftyfb> beardedgnu: modern hardware
[18:16] <leftyfb> beardedgnu: an SSD, more memory
[18:17] <leftyfb> beardedgnu: run less applications
[18:17] <beardedgnu> i thought you would tell me get better at c and start hacking drivers
[18:17] <leftyfb> beardedgnu: good luck
[18:17] <beardedgnu> i already hit records in benchmarks i need some inspiration
[18:17] <beardedgnu> outside of the norm i mean
[18:17] <beardedgnu> my scores are stuck
[18:18] <leftyfb> beardedgnu: feel free to discus further in #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic or #linux
[18:18] <beardedgnu> thanks i prefer staying within ubuntu
[18:18] <beardedgnu> said enough...
[18:18] <leftyfb> beardedgnu: this is a support channel for issues specific with ubuntu. General chat and discussion is done in the other channelds
[18:18] <leftyfb> channels*
[18:19] <beardedgnu> i mean i wont enter #linux.. the rest is fine
[18:19] <beardedgnu> ;)  thats a compliment btw
[18:20] <leftyfb> beardedgnu: please do not PM
[18:21] <beardedgnu> the fact that ive sent you my setup doesnt need a public announcement ;)
[18:40] <mlvn> njir lama banget gak pake irc gini cok
[18:40] <arraybolt3> mlvn: For moderation purposes, we usually keep this room English-only so that everyone can understand what's going on.
[18:41] <mlvn> noted
[18:41] <mlvn> sorry
[18:41] <leftyfb> mlvn: feel free to discuss IRC in #libera
[18:41] <arraybolt3> No problem. Happy to see you here.
[18:46] <mlvn> looking for Indonesian user here
[18:46] <mlvn> need advise
[18:47] <leftyfb> !id | mlvn
[18:47] <leftyfb> mlvn: https://ubuntu-id.org/en/
[18:47] <mlvn> thanks
[20:55] <webchat30> bedman how you doin man
[20:55] <webchat30> i solved the problem
[20:55] <Liowenex> Well don't write an essay about it
[20:57] <webchat30> Liowenex: No, I will not write an essay. he gave me so much time and i just wanted to thank him
[21:04] <eren> hey
[21:04] <eren> can anybody help me about ubuntu?
[21:05] <leftyfb> !ask | eren
[21:08] <eren> i did dual boot windows/ubuntu and windows can connect wifi via wireless wifi adaptor usb but ubuntu doesnt connect, i tried to install some driver things but it didnt work there's no sign and it says no wifi adapter found
[21:10] <jhutchins> eren: Some detail about the "driver things" and what happened might help.
[21:10] <jhutchins> eren: Hardware manufacturers are not great about supplying linux-compatible drivers for their new hardware.
[21:11] <eren> i installed RTL8821AU, rtl8821ce and reboot the computer but nothing happened still there's no wifi sign
[21:11] <jhutchins> eren: Do you know you have a Realtek card?  Which one?
[21:12] <eren> i don't know actually but i have AC1200 wireless usb adapter
[21:12] <eren> and the place that i bought this say's it supports for linux
[21:12] <oerheks> !info rtl8821ce-dkms
[21:12] <oerheks> it does in jammy
[21:12] <oerheks> !info rtl8821ce-dkms jammy
[21:13] <oerheks> install & reboot
[21:15] <leftyfb> oerheks: are we sure the chipset is even RTL?
[21:16] <eren> how can i learn
[21:17] <eren> as i said it's working in windows 10 so there's problem with drivers i think in ubuntu
[21:17] <oerheks> 8821ce is for that  AC1200 afaik
[21:17] <leftyfb> eren: wget https://raw.githubusercontent.com/UbuntuForums/wireless-info/master/wireless-info -O - | sudo bash && cat wireless-info.txt | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:18] <leftyfb> eren: 2 messages will pop up letting you know it gathered the wireless info and saved the log file called wireless-info.txt. Then it will upload it to termbin.com and give you a URL on your terminal. Paste the URL here
[21:19] <eren> terminal said saving to stdout
[21:19] <eren> then some date
[21:21] <leftyfb> it takes a moment, but it should spit out a URL
[21:21] <leftyfb> at the end
[21:22] <eren> uhh okay it waiting for sudo password but it didnt prompt that so i dont understand what's going on
[21:22] <eren> https://termbin.com/vmd4
[21:22] <eren> this is the link
[21:22] <eren> i think
[21:22] <leftyfb> ah, right. Sorry. The device I'm on doesn't ask for sudo
[21:23] <eren> yea gonna change that soon i was a lmint user but changed computer and switched to the dual boot
[21:24] <eren> also wired to wifi
[21:25] <leftyfb> eren: you said this is a USB device?
[21:25] <eren> yes it's usb device and it doesnt detect
[21:25] <leftyfb> I don't see any USB devices plugged in except a logitech receiver
[21:25] <eren> im using wired rn to connectr
[21:25] <eren> internet
[21:25] <eren> but also
[21:25] <eren> both is plugged
[21:27] <leftyfb> eren: unplug the wireless usb device. Run this in a terminal: sudo dmesg -TW # then plug in the usb wireless device. Paste the output to pastebin
[21:27] <eren> wait wait wait so sorry
[21:27] <eren> i plugged
[21:27] <eren> unplugged
[21:27] <eren> that result is wrong
[21:28] <eren> let me send the url again
[21:28] <eren> xd im dumbass
[21:28] <eren> https://termbin.com/nqqba
[21:28] <eren> probably this
[21:28] <eren> is gonna show the usb
[21:28] <eren> cuz i forgot i unplugged
[21:28] <leftyfb> there we go
[21:29] <eren> and i write lsusb to the terminal
[21:29] <eren> it shows
[21:29] <eren> usb
[21:30] <leftyfb> ok, so it's definitely RTL88x2bu
[21:32] <leftyfb> eren: you can try oerheks's suggestion. Install the rtl8821ce-dkms package
[21:32] <eren> i think i already installed that one but let me try again
[21:32] <eren> i also dont know how to execute im pretty new
[21:32] <leftyfb> sudo apt install rtl8821ce-dkms
[21:33] <eren> okay downloaded some files
[21:33] <eren> Errors were encountered while processing:
[21:33] <eren>  rtw88-dkms
[21:33] <eren>  rtl8821ce-dkms
[21:33] <eren> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[21:33] <eren> it said this at the last
[21:34] <leftyfb> !paste | eren
[21:35] <webchat78> Hello, I'm looking for the ethernet controller driver for Intel i225-LM model with install instructions.
[21:35] <leftyfb> eren: (sudo apt update && sudo apt install rtl8821ce-dkms 2>&1 ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:35] <eren> https://termbin.com/mcizb
[21:35] <metabsd> Hello, I would like to know if I can expose a share cifs via samba? I have succeeded but I can't write via the share. However, if I use the same share and point it to /tmp I can write. Thank you for your help!
[21:36] <leftyfb> webchat78: I'm pretty sure that's built into the kernel
[21:36] <leftyfb> metabsd: fix the permissions on your filesystem, not the mount
[21:36] <eren> am i still muted
[21:37] <leftyfb> no
[21:37] <metabsd> leftyfb: the permission are ok
[21:37] <leftyfb> metabsd: it doesn't sound like it
[21:37] <leftyfb> eren: sudo apt install -y rtl8821ce-dkms 2>&1 ) nc termbin.com 9999
[21:38] <eren> bash syntax error near unexpected token )
[21:38] <leftyfb> eren: sudo apt install -y rtl8821ce-dkms 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:38] <eren> https://termbin.com/bwyi8
[21:39] <leftyfb> eren: can you copy/paste the full output to pastebin?
[21:39] <webchat78> I'm actually using Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on a Intel NUC. The ethernet doesn't seem to work while the wi-fi works fine. I've upgraded the bios and tried contacting the support team at Intel. They suggested checking with the support team at Ubuntu. In some forums I notice the igc* driver is the intended one but that seems to be the driver in use. Any idea
[21:39] <webchat78> how I can make the ethernet work? The cable works for a windows laptop so it's not a cable problem I assume
[21:39] <eren> how am i going to do that
[21:40] <eren> btw do i need to reboot after installed the rtl package u gave
[21:40] <leftyfb> eren: did the package install ok or is still giving:  E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[21:41] <eren> still returning same error sub process
[21:42] <eren> errors were encountered proceccing rtw88 and rtl8821ce
[21:42] <leftyfb> ok, we need that full output
[21:42] <leftyfb> eren: copy and paste the whole terminal and paste it to https://dpaste.org/
[21:42] <eren> okay let me paste that somewhere
[21:43] <eren> https://dpaste.org/Q1ufY
[21:46] <leftyfb> I'll be honest, I'm not sure at the moment
[21:46] <leftyfb> maybe someone else can chime in
[21:46] <eren> i asked chatGPT xd and it didnt answer clearly
[21:47] <eren> so what do you think is this about my usb? or driver,ubuntu... anything else
[21:48] <leftyfb> eren: problem #1 is your inability to install that package
[21:48] <eren> okay let me try to fix that
[21:51] <jhutchins> eren: It might help if you were to un-install the packages that didn't work first, then try installing the new one.
[21:51] <eren> with autoremove?
[21:52] <eren> i write some code and something is going on,, im gonna reboot the system then i'll try again
[21:52] <jhutchins> eren: No, explicityly remove them with apt or dpkg.
[21:53] <leftyfb> eren: "some code" makes it very difficult to troubleshoot here
[21:53] <leftyfb> eren: when asking for help here, it's best to stick to the troubleshooting going on and suggested and not coming up with random tutorials online. We have no idea what they can or have done to your system
[21:54] <eren> uh okay, let me try to re-install those packages then
[22:01] <eren> Hello again
[22:01] <eren> and thank you guys so much after reboot it worked
[22:02] <eren> and i still don't know which code is worked but i think your's leftyfb the last one i installed package
[22:02] <eren> it was has problems but worked xd
[22:02] <leftyfb> that would have been originally oerheks's suggestion
[22:03] <eren> thx to him too
[22:03] <eren> but you also help me a lot
[22:03] <fede_> ciao
[22:04] <leftyfb> fede_: hello. How can we help you?
[22:07] <webchat78> Hello, any suggestion on the ethernet driver?
[22:10] <oerheks> webchat78, use the one installed?
[22:10] <webchat78> it doesn't work
[22:11] <webchat78> ip a gives me NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP for the ethernet interface strangely
[22:22] <jhutchins> webchat78: I'm afraid we're not quite good enough at this to magically determine your chipset, or what you've done so far to fix it.
[22:22] <jhutchins> webchat78: Our resident psychic had a sudden urge to visit Belize and is off-line.
[22:23] <leftyfb> jhutchins: unnecessary
[22:23] <webchat78> hmm sarcasm, nice. Well I have tried installing different drivers
[22:24] <leftyfb> webchat78: have you tried Ubuntu 22.04?
[22:24] <webchat78> modified netplan, played a bit with dhcp, rebooted a couple of times. Searched forums
[22:24] <webchat78> Yes I am using Ubuntu 22.04
[22:25] <leftyfb> "[16:39:41] <webchat78> I'm actually using Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on a Intel NUC."
[22:26] <webchat78> This is the kernel that I have now: Ubuntu 5.15.0-60.66~20.04.1-generic 5.15.78. Would upgrading the kernel help?
[22:26] <leftyfb> webchat78: wget https://raw.githubusercontent.com/UbuntuForums/wireless-info/master/wireless-info -O - | sudo bash && cat wireless-info.txt | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:26] <sarnold> leftyfb: impressive
[22:27] <leftyfb> webchat78: that kernel is the latest kernel in Ubuntu 20.04, not 22.03
[22:27] <leftyfb> sorry, 22.04*
[22:29] <leftyfb> webchat78: this looks appropriate:  https://askubuntu.com/a/1251669
[22:31] <sarnold> blech, does that mean they don't support fwupd for their nics? :(
[22:33] <leftyfb> released in 2019, you would think they'd have that all worked out by now
[22:34] <Elliria> Hey there, is there an online resource that lists all the packages that are installed in Ubuntu Jammy by default?
[22:34] <arraybolt3> Elliria: Yeah, the manifest.
[22:34] <arraybolt3> Elliria: 22.04 or 22.04.1?
[22:34] <arraybolt3> Elliria: https://releases.ubuntu.com/jammy/ubuntu-22.04.1-desktop-amd64.manifest That's the list for 22.04.1.
[22:35] <arraybolt3> I believe that's everything on the ISO by default.
[22:35] <Elliria> I'm not sure. I'm trying to satisfy all dependencies for a program so that it can pass all of the GitHub tests.
[22:35] <leftyfb> Elliria: if you're going to test against Ubuntu, please run Ubuntu
[22:35] <Elliria> I'd like the list to compare against the needs of my program so that I know what doesn't need to be required if it already comes with Ubuntu.
[22:35] <arraybolt3> Keep in mind that the installation process removes some packages after the fact, so not all of those packages will necessarily be on a newly installed system, also upgrades at install time may change the package list. But that's about as close as you'll find to a single list.
[22:35] <Elliria> GitHub is doing the tests.
[22:36] <arraybolt3> Elliria: Just in case you missed it, the ISO manifest is linked above and has the list.
[22:36] <sarnold> Elliria: that's a bit challenging to answer, the manifest files can help, and there's a seeded-in-ubuntu program that can help search where packages are seeded, eg:
[22:36] <sarnold> ± seeded-in-ubuntu -b openssh-server
[22:36] <Elliria> Ah, thank you. I did miss it. Thank you so much!
[22:36] <sarnold> openssh-server is seeded in:
[22:36] <sarnold>   ubuntu-server: daily-live, daily-preinstalled
[22:37] <Elliria> How would I get that manifest for 22.04? without the .1?
[22:37] <arraybolt3> You probably don't want the non-.1 manifest since the original 22.04 ISO is considered obsolete. If you want it anyway though, I might be able to dig it out of archive.org.
[22:38] <Elliria> Yeah, this is going to be messy. We're trying to upgrade the program from Ubuntu 20.04 to Ubuntu 22.04 without a lead developer. It's going to be ugly before it's pretty.
[22:38] <arraybolt3> Might also be on old-releases.ubuntu.com...
[22:38]  * arraybolt3 checks
[22:38] <arraybolt3> Elliria: https://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/jammy/ubuntu-22.04-desktop-amd64.manifest The original 22.04 ISO manifest.
[22:39] <arraybolt3> Note that it won't just display in the browser for some reason (at least that's what it does for me in Chrome).
[22:40] <Mantaalex> hi there i have a problem with for example installing balena-etcher-electron on ubuntu
[22:40] <Elliria> Ah, perfect. Thank you so much! Now I can compare all of them and make sure I'm requring what's necessary.
[22:40] <Elliria> It downloaded.
[22:40] <arraybolt3> Mantaalex: balenaEtcher isn't in the Ubuntu repositories. How are you trying to install it?
[22:40] <Mantaalex> it says it has deps on gconf2 but it is not installable
[22:40] <arraybolt3> Elliria: Glad to help!
[22:40] <Mantaalex> i don't find any way to install gconf2
[22:40] <arraybolt3> Mantaalex: The recommended way to install balenaEtcher is to just download the AppImage and use it. as is.
[22:40] <Mantaalex> i think i miss something
[22:40] <Elliria> It seems to be plain text, which is perfect.
[22:40] <Mantaalex> arraybolt3: i allready tryed
[22:41]  * Elliria hugs arraybolt3
[22:41] <Mantaalex> its on an ubuntu live doesn't work
[22:41] <arraybolt3> Elliria: :) Glad to help!
[22:41] <arraybolt3> Mantaalex: By "doesn't work", what happens?
[22:41] <Mantaalex> it just not starts
[22:41] <arraybolt3> Something happens, though it's not the desired result. What is that something?
[22:41] <Mantaalex> i tryed many versions
[22:41] <arraybolt3> Mantaalex: Ah, OK. I think I know what it's doing then.
[22:41] <Mantaalex> i checked the checkbox run there
[22:41] <arraybolt3> On the live ISO, open a terminal, and run "sudo apt install libfuse2".
[22:41] <arraybolt3> Mantaalex: ^
[22:41] <Elliria> Hopefully I can do something for you some day.
[22:41] <arraybolt3> Mantaalex: Then try running the balenaEtcher AppImage.
[22:41] <Mantaalex> let me see
[22:41] <oerheks> its on an ubuntu live... use the usb creator?
[22:42] <Mantaalex> E: Unable to locate package libfuse2
[22:42] <arraybolt3> Mantaalex: What version of Ubuntu is this?
[22:42] <arraybolt3> (libfuse2 exists in Ubuntu 22.10, I thought it existed in 22.04 too.)
[22:42] <Mantaalex> lsb_release -a
[22:42] <Mantaalex> whoops sorry wrong window
[22:42] <Mantaalex> Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS
[22:43] <arraybolt3> Ah, I see what I did wrong.
[22:43] <arraybolt3> "sudo apt update && sudo apt install libfuse2"
[22:43] <arraybolt3> (I forget that sometimes the live ISO doesn't have the software list on it.)
[22:43] <Mantaalex> E: Unable to locate package libfuse2
[22:44] <Mantaalex> no result with apt search libfuse2
[22:44] <oerheks> it is in universe
[22:44] <arraybolt3> I. Hate. Live. ISO. Weirdness.
[22:44] <oerheks> i think this is a wrong approach, running a live iso and install stuff like that
[22:44] <Mantaalex> when i try something else like search screen or irssi it finds it
[22:44] <Mantaalex> me to
[22:44] <Mantaalex> but i need it for something
[22:44] <oerheks> you need a hume ammount of memory then
[22:44] <oerheks> lolz
[22:44] <arraybolt3> oerheks: Meh, I've done similar stuff before, it's not that bad.
[22:44] <oerheks> !info libfuse2
[22:44] <arraybolt3> Mantaalex: OK, just a bit...
[22:45] <oerheks> add-apt-repository universe
[22:45] <arraybolt3> oerheks: Probably with a sudo, right?
[22:45] <Mantaalex> not needed the sudo if in root
[22:45] <Mantaalex> but i'm trying that
[22:45] <arraybolt3> The package is there, we'll figure this out eventually :P
[22:46] <Mantaalex> did the trick
[22:46] <Mantaalex> libfuse2
[22:46] <arraybolt3> (In the event that installing libfuse2 doesn't solve the problem, there's another possible problem Etcher sometimes has that can be worked around.
[22:46] <Mantaalex> installed
[22:46] <arraybolt3> Mantaalex: Nice. Will Etcher launch from the appimage this time?
[22:46] <Mantaalex> now i can install etcher with apt to
[22:47] <arraybolt3> Mantaalex: Possibly, try it.
[22:47] <Mantaalex> yeah its busy :)
[22:47] <Mantaalex> its slower then real linux ;)
[22:47] <arraybolt3> (Also I see now what third-party repo you're using - I missed that Etcher had an official repo. Sorry about that.)
[22:48] <Mantaalex> its installed with apt the etcher
[22:48] <Mantaalex> but i don't see any icon anywhere
[22:49] <arraybolt3> Mantaalex: It's not in the application menu?
[22:49] <arraybolt3> If not, try running "balena-etcher" in a terminal.
[23:00] <Mantaalex> now i have trouble with (core dumped) "${script_dir}"/balena-etcher-electron.bin "$@" --no-sandbox
[23:00] <Mantaalex> pf
[23:03] <dsm37> hi
[23:06] <Mantaalex> i will try further tomorrow zzz cya
[23:09] <taholmes160> hi folks - I am trying to get xrdp working -- it starts for a moment, I login and it crashes, and the .xsession-errors is pasted here https://pasteboard.co/NO1qpYotMkJk.png
[23:09] <taholmes160> can someone help me get this sorted?
[23:25] <akik> taholmes160: did you create ~/.xsession and chmod +x it?
[23:26] <akik> taholmes160: your picture shows the problem
[23:26] <akik> xfce4-session: command not found
[23:26] <akik> you should fix that dbus problem too
[23:30] <taholmes160> akik: thanks --
[23:32] <theeprophet> im running 10.04 I havent used it since 2012, i want to install tor but not sure if this is running 32bit or 64, the cpu is 32, the version is 32-64 generic I cant remember what the old mb cpu was that it was in,
[23:33] <leftyfb> theeprophet: your only option is to do a fresh install of Ubuntu 18.04
[23:33] <stiva> what can I use to cURL download all pdf files from a remote folder? I can do it individually but i don't understand curl options.
[23:33] <leftyfb> stiva: you'll have to write a script to do them individually
[23:34] <theeprophet> thanks, i didnt want to loose what I have
[23:34] <leftyfb> theeprophet: that's what backups are for
[23:34] <leftyfb> theeprophet: your current OS is not adequate nor supported
[23:34] <stiva> @leftyfb: would defeat the purpose. I managed to find how to do it with wget but was getting 403's
[23:35] <leftyfb> stiva: neither of those tools are meant to scrape a website for particular links and download them for you
[23:37] <taholmes160> akik: ok, got the xfce-4 problem sorted, I changed .xsession file to gnome-session, and chmodded the file -- I can log in , the screen goes black (like gnome is starting) but it goes for a second then the rdp session closes (on my windows computer) heres the errors https://pasteboard.co/DZtzPk6PiC7G.png
[23:38] <theeprophet> i have a fireworks screen saver on here and wobbling window thing as I move the windows they wobble and I have it configured with windows like scheme
[23:41] <akik> taholmes160: have you touched the dbus or systemd config about dbus?
[23:42] <taholmes160> no
[23:42] <taholmes160> i was just searching google for a solution to that --
[23:44] <akik> taholmes160: you could try reading the systemd journal messages "journalctl -b 0 | grep -i dbus | less"
[23:44] <akik> maybe the problem can be found there
[23:45] <akik> it's as if the dbus-daemon hasn't started correctly
[23:47] <taholmes160> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/VTKJVXSPZZ/
[23:47] <taholmes160> theres the logs, it seems that in at least some cases, dbus is running
[23:47] <taholmes160> but im NOT familiar with dbus at all -- so i cant say for sure