[14:05] <ahoneybun[m]> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-flavor-packaging-defaults/34061
 @Rick_Timmis @DarinMiller @Valoriez Mamarok we need to have a meeting about that announcement. Sitter does not seem to be happy with the move and I believe we need to make a blog post confirming that we voted on it. I made the call to sign it on the thought process that we couldn't say no so that is on me.
[22:05] <Fallen> I'd like to renew my offer to have a conversation about this topic with anyone from the KC individually or in a group. Looking forward to finding a constructive solution with you!
 This response really resonates with me (I don't think I could have done a better job myself): https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-flavor-packaging-defaults/34061/9
[22:54] <valorie> from what I got from reading up, sitter is most disturbed by the lack of communication from us
[22:55] <valorie> unsure if a meeting is what we need, or a shared document we put together about the changes
[22:55] <valorie> IMO rik is NOT going to make any changes in Discover
[22:56] <valorie> and since he's stepping back right now, we do face some decisions
[22:58] <valorie> agreed, that's a good response but it doesn't cover the challenges WE face right now
 Our current challenges would be here no matter the choice that was made but currently @tsimonq2 could make this change if requested.
[22:59] <valorie> it's easy for me to say that everyone should just work together and "git 'er done" but I'm not a packager etc.
 This is more about showing a united front from the Kubuntu side about the change.
[22:59] <valorie> hmmm
[23:00] <valorie> unsure we *have* a united front
[23:00] <valorie> I wish rik was part of this conversation
[23:01] <valorie> @ahoneybun I think it's true that we don't have a choice going forward
 I believe Fallen has no issue making an email chain, I'm trying to figure that out since I don't have a way to reply using my Kubuntu email
[23:01] <valorie> IMO it is also important that we allow our users good choices
[23:02] <valorie> for me, that's flatpak right now
[23:02] <valorie> rik was our link with the neon crew too
 Flatpak can still be installed and I think the blog could cover installing it if needed or wanted.
[23:03] <valorie> right, I realize that
 It can be done though Discover as a GUI
[23:04] <valorie> and if I recall correctly I had to enable that in Discover back in the day
[23:04] <valorie> even though I work in the cli half the time
[23:04] <valorie> discover is nifty because it does all the updates in one go
 I believe it is night for Fallen so he'll have to catch back up with us once it is next awake.
[23:06] <Fallen> As you can imagine this isn't something I take lightly, so I'm not quite in bed yet. Let me know how I can help.
[23:08] <valorie> @ahoneybun AFAIK your @kub.org email is just a forwarding address
[23:09] <valorie> you can make your mail client make it look like you are replying with it
[23:09] <valorie> otherwise it only really works in LP groups
[23:09] <ahoneybun[m]> Mm not with Proton mail without more access
[23:09] <ahoneybun[m]> I'll see what I can do.
[23:10] <valorie> in LP you can login and respond to that official stuff in there
[23:10] <valorie> as I recall
[23:10] <valorie> in gmail I just set up a "reply as" and make it say whatever
[23:11] <valorie> but it's not really from kub.org etc.
[23:11] <valorie> usually good enough to not break threads tho
[23:17] <ahoneybun[m]> I think that email worked?
[23:20] <ahoneybun[m]> So it sent an email to each person oof why is this more difficult.
[23:42] <Mamarok> Sorry, apparently I missed a few things, Should I have gotten a mail explaining what this is about?
 I just tried another email