[00:39] <vata0[m]> anyone around
[00:39] <arraybolt3[m]> I'm here at the moment, anything we can help you with?
[00:39] <vata0[m]> does ubuntu studio support transp[arancy
[00:40] <arraybolt3[m]> Like transparent terminals?
[00:40] <arraybolt3[m]> Or transparent windows?
[00:40] <vata0[m]> s/transp[arancy/transparency /
[00:40] <vata0[m]> both
[00:40] <arraybolt3[m]> I believe KDE supports that, I can check in just a bit if you'd like. Ubuntu Studio uses the KDE desktop.
[00:41] <vata0[m]> i see its supported by kde but i can never get it to work no matter waht i do
[00:41] <vata0[m]> thats why i wanted to ask somone
[00:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Lemme fire up a VM and see what I can make happen. I've gotten transparent terminals to work before.
[00:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Also what version of Ubuntu Studio are you using?
[00:41] <vata0[m]> im not trying to put u out or anything
[00:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Of course not. I'm here because I like to help.
[00:42] <vata0[m]> Kubuntu 22.04.2 LTS x86_64
[00:42] <arraybolt3[m]> K, one sec, I'll make sure that the ISO I have matches that.
[00:44] <vata0[m]> Kernel: 5.15.0-60-lowlatency... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/b210acee6b0e1ab3b80d27ba68a0ee83aa37caec>)
[00:44] <vata0[m]> prolly dont need all that but still
[00:45] <arraybolt3[m]> Better too much info than too little :D
[00:45] <arraybolt3[m]> And also knowing that the terminal is yakuake is helpful.
[00:45] <vata0[m]> i also tried in konsole
[00:45] <vata0[m]> i like yakauake tho. having a drop down is nice
[00:48] <arraybolt3[m]> OK, got the right ISO, doing a quick integrity check now.
[00:48] <arraybolt3[m]> Then I can start a VM and test.
[00:48] <vata0[m]> if this helps i have got yakauake to do some transparency but just across the bottom
[00:49] <arraybolt3[m]> Good to know, thank you!
[00:49] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, what kind of transparency are you looking for? Constant transparency of certain specific windows? Or do you want them to go transparent while moving them, or?
[00:50] <vata0[m]> example would be having my terminal some what transparent all the time
[00:50] <arraybolt3[m]> OK. Yeah, I think I've made that happen before.
[00:51] <vata0[m]> i can in other distros but i can never get it to work in studio and i know its not it its something that im not doing
[00:52] <arraybolt3[m]> Alright, got it in Yakuake.
[00:52] <arraybolt3[m]> Basically, you make a new terminal profile, and then change the color of the terminal to enable transparency.
[00:52] <arraybolt3[m]> For Yakuake, that was doable with these steps:
[00:54] <arraybolt3[m]> 1. Click on the triple-lines button right next to the Close button on the bottom bar.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/038e6f5fdae6ece2a938af43b19aecc039965426>)
[00:54] <arraybolt3[m]> vata0: ^
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[00:56] <vata0[m]> did u make a new profile as well or using default
[00:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Made a new profile.
[00:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh, I forgot, you have to set the new profile as default.
[00:56] <arraybolt3[m]>  * 1. Click on the triple-lines button right next to the Close button on the bottom bar.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/7256dee61feef81f2f952f6bdda53fde8d169891>)
[00:56] <arraybolt3[m]> (Changed the instructions to lnclude that step.)
[00:58] <vata0[m]> lol man i could hug u right now
[00:58] <arraybolt3[m]> \o/ I assume it worked?
[00:58] <vata0[m]> shit has drove me crazy for i couldnt even tell u how long
[00:58] <arraybolt3[m]> Took me quite a bit of fiddling to get it right back when I was doing it the first time. They really could have put the transparency slider somewhere a bit more obvious :P
[00:59] <vata0[m]> seriously
[01:00] <vata0[m]> ok since ur in there and looking around can u see how to make say folders or start menu transparent
[01:00] <vata0[m]> brb
[01:00] <arraybolt3[m]> Might be a bit trickier but I'll see if that's possible.
[01:05] <arraybolt3[m]> lol ok hold on I managed to get everything to be transparent including the wallpaper 🤦
[01:05] <vata0[m]> lol
[01:07] <arraybolt3[m]> OK so basically if you want to make an arbitrary app transparent always or sometimes, you make a new window rule.
[01:07] <arraybolt3[m]> The trick is getting the window rule to match only the app you want.
[01:08] <arraybolt3[m]> I've done this before, but still figuring out how.
[01:08] <vata0[m]> u out here saving lives tonight
[01:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Alright, so it's in System Settings, under Workspace -> Window Management -> Window Rules.
[01:09] <arraybolt3[m]> Click "Add New" to make a new rule.
[01:10] <arraybolt3[m]> Now make a title for it in the Description field.
[01:10] <arraybolt3[m]> Under "Window class (application)", select 'Substring Match', then enter the name of the app you want to effect (e.g., Dolphin).
[01:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Now click "Add Property..." and select "Inactive Opacity".
[01:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Then "Add Property..." again and select "Active Opacity". (You can search the property list.)
[01:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Make sure the mode for both is set to "Force", and then choose the opacity amounts you want.
[01:11] <arraybolt3[m]> (I have Inactive set to 25% and and Active set to 100%).
[01:11] <arraybolt3[m]> Once everything's how you like it, click Apply.
[01:12] <arraybolt3[m]> With those settings, the Dolphin window will nearly vanish when inactive, but still be a bit visible. It will become fully visible when you click it.
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[01:14] <arraybolt3[m]> You can repeat the above for each app you want to make do this. You can also set Active Opacity to something less than 100% if you want it to be a bit transparent always.
[01:14] <vata0[m]> man for all the looking around ive done u helped me more then all the articles ive sifted throguh
[01:14] <arraybolt3[m]> (Be a bit careful - a little transparency can go a long way - 25% makes a window nearly vanish, so... yeah.)
[01:15] <arraybolt3[m]> vata0[m]: Heh, you should have seen me fight with this second part - I was trying to make Etcher stop focus stealing and it was a *mess* the first time. Maybe I can write tutorials for it or something.
[01:15] <vata0[m]> do u run  studio on as ur main
[01:15] <arraybolt3[m]> Used to, and still do one some systems.
[01:15] <arraybolt3[m]> s/one/on/
[01:16] <vata0[m]> ive been running it on my main pc for a while. its always treated me pretty well
[01:17] <arraybolt3[m]> Same for me. I love it, I mainly switched away because I had used it for so long I wanted a change, and also the lowlatency kernel (which is great for audio work) theoretically might have been slowing down raw processing a bit, and I do more raw processing than audio and video. I might switch back though.
[01:17] <vata0[m]> kde makes me feel like im in windows if that makes sense. and studio itself just gives me all the software i want/need for the most part
[01:17] <arraybolt3[m]> Exactly.
[01:17] <arraybolt3[m]> (And it dawns on me I could have just installed the generic kernel alongside the lowlatency one and had the best of both worlds. Hmm... yeah I really might switch back :D)
[01:18] <vata0[m]> its nice not having to figure out how to get jack working and all that 
[01:18] <vata0[m]> i feel like i owe u a beer or coffee or something
[01:19] <arraybolt3[m]> Heh, just having something work is awesome. Buy a coworker a coffee if you feel like it.
[01:19] <vata0[m]> is there a reason kde itself wont let u drag and drop like everyhting else without having to hold shift
[01:20] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm, I've never experienced that, is there a particular app (or several apps) this is happening in?
[01:20] <vata0[m]> whne i need to tell somone when it happens i cant ever remember
[01:21] <vata0[m]> hang on let me see ig i can get it to do it
[01:22] <vata0[m]> nope cant remember whne it does it and everything im moving right now is just moving
[01:22] <arraybolt3[m]> lol, I hate it when that happens to me. It's like when I run into something five or ten times in normal life and then when the fateful moment comes I actually need it, it's gone. 🤣
[01:23] <vata0[m]> its always when u wana talk to somone about something happening that u cant get it to do it 
[01:23] <arraybolt3[m]> I wish the reverse wouldn't keep happening (as soon as you want to demonstrate something cool it doesn't work).
[01:23] <vata0[m]> i feel that pain
[01:24] <vata0[m]> is it usually pretty active in here?
[01:25] <arraybolt3[m]> It's usually mostly quiet since people rarely come in for help, but when someone does come, there's several people here to help (usually the main developer, Eick_meyer, who I am purposefully misspelling the nick of in order to avoid pinging him).
[01:25] <arraybolt3[m]> A lot of support channels are like that - nearly dead-silent until someone asks for help and then they come to life.
[01:25] <vata0[m]> lol
[01:26] <vata0[m]> i do have a bug i can report tho and i havent heard anyone else say anything about this
[01:27] <vata0[m]> so the default login theme is ubuntu studio. after a update a few weeks back it broke itself no clue why. i have to use breeze now. well dont have to but its the one that was there
[01:27] <arraybolt3[m]> vata0[m]: Is this the one where the nice login prompt stops appearing and you get this weird default one?
[01:27] <arraybolt3[m]> I think this is a known bug that a fix was recently pushed for, when was the last time you updated the system?
[01:27] <vata0[m]> yyyyeessss it made me change it
[01:28] <arraybolt3[m]> (Also, hey, Eickmeyer apparently just showed up.)
[01:28] <vata0[m]> the virtual keyboard would come up and it just asked crazy
[01:28] <vata0[m]> s/asked/act/
[01:28] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah, that's a known bug that should be fixed. An update was pushed that somehow got a bad file in it by mistake. A new update has been pushed since then that resolves that.
[01:28] <arraybolt3[m]> You should be able to update your system and restart it and that should be gone.
[01:28] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah, just got home after a long day of helping my parents move out of their storage unit arraybolt3 
[01:29] <arraybolt3[m]> (There was a file that was supposed to be a symlink to another file that somehow got turned into a regular file with contents that didn't actually work. Normal ways of detecting file changes failed to pick up the error so it sneaked through.)
[01:29] <vata0[m]> Eickmeyer[m]: thanks for an awesome distro. literally one of my favs
[01:30] <Eickmeyer[m]> vata0: Glad to hear it.
[01:30] <arraybolt3[m]> vata0: In the event an update and reboot doesn't fix the problem, we can do some troubleshooting to make sure that the right setup is all together.
[01:30] <vata0[m]> i havent tried it but i can try it  now just to see. brb
[01:31] <Eickmeyer[m]> Based on the screenshots, 22.04?
[01:31] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer[m]: Those were my screenshots, but yes, this is 22.04.
 "Kubuntu 22.04.2 LTS x86_64" <- Eickmeyer: 
[01:32] <arraybolt3[m]> (Unsure why Studio reports itself as being Kubuntu, but it does.)
[01:32] <vata0[m]> worked like a champ but loging in just then reminded me of something
[01:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> vata0: Because neofetch automatically assumes Ubuntu + KDE = Kubuntu. Neofetch is not all-knowing. In the future, use ```lsb_release -a```
[01:33] <vata0[m]> its only been on this version of the lts and this was a clean install. but sometimes the screen will free on login. onlything that reminded me of this is cause i hit my macro whne loggin in so i didnt have to type my password
[01:33] <arraybolt3[m]> Eickmeyer[m]: Heh, that only reports it as being Ubuntu 22.04.
[01:34] <arraybolt3[m]> vata0[m]: I've had that happen on exactly one laptop before, I think it's hardware-dependent.
[01:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> arraybolt3: Because all flavors of Ubuntu *are* Ubuntu. I'm so sick of people thinking Ubuntu Flavors are independent and separate of Ubuntu.
[01:34] <vata0[m]> arraybolt3[m]: i didnt even think about that when i was giving the info
[01:35] <arraybolt3[m]> When it happens, I switch to a TTY (Ctrl+Alt+F3), log in, and type sudo systemctl restart sddm. Freezes for a bit, then takes me back to the login prompt which should then work. Then I switch back to the TTY again, type exit to close, go back to the login screen with Ctrl+Alt+F1, and log in.
[01:35] <arraybolt3[m]> arraybolt3[m]: This was on a machine with NVIDIA graphics using the open-source Nouveau driver due to the GPU's age, I wonder if you're doing the same thing?)
[01:35] <vata0[m]> arraybolt3[m]: when it happens its a hard lock up and i cant do anything]
[01:35] <arraybolt3[m]> Not even Ctrl+Alt+F3?
[01:36] <vata0[m]> na have to power off
[01:36] <arraybolt3[m]> Yikes. Sounds like the kernel is freezing then. That's almost certainly something odd with your hardware.
[01:36] <arraybolt3[m]> I see you're still on the 5.15 kernel, I wonder if switching to the HWE kernel would help.
[01:36] <vata0[m]> i will say tho this pc didnt have a graphics card ion it before and it does now. im using nvidia drivers tho
[01:37] <arraybolt3[m]> arraybolt3[m]: If you want to try to install the HWE kernel and see if that helps, you can run `sudo apt install linux-lowlatency-hwe-22.04` in a terminal and it should do it. That will update your kernel to version 5.19, which might work better. Or it might work worse, you won't know until you try. You can always fall back to the old kernel if it goes south.
[01:37] <vata0[m]> its not often it happens and the macro on my keybaord stopped it cause soon as login comes up it will type my password and log me in
[01:37] <vata0[m]> i know its not the saftest doing it that way but it solved the problem
[01:38] <arraybolt3[m]> Heh, not sure that a keyboard macro with your password programmed into it is the most secure thing on the planet, but whatever works.
[01:38] <arraybolt3[m]> Also, this is the login screen, not the lock screen, right?
[01:38] <arraybolt3[m]> (The two look very similar but are different.)
[01:38] <vata0[m]> yea login screen
[01:38] <arraybolt3[m]> K. Yeah, if it's locking up hard, I'd try the kernel upgrade to see if that helps. If not, then I dunno what would help with that.
[01:39] <vata0[m]> its not a deal breaker by any means and it doesnt happen to often
[01:40] <arraybolt3[m]> On my one laptop, the login screen would freeze but I could still get to a TTY and restart SDDM to fix it. It's curious that it only happens on the login screen, does it ever happen any other time?
[01:41] <vata0[m]> na just the login screen 
[01:41] <vata0[m]> never had it happen waking up or anything
[01:41] <arraybolt3[m]> Well, as long as it doesn't cause any lost work that's what's important I guess.
[01:42] <vata0[m]> na nothing like that
[01:42] <arraybolt3[m]> If I can reproduce it at some point we can look further into it and maybe figure out how to get it fixed.
[01:42] <arraybolt3[m]> (Or if it can be reproduced by any of the devs.)
[01:43] <vata0[m]> hmm ive never heard anyone other then me say anything about it
[01:43] <vata0[m]> not saying it is but it might be my hardware config for some reason
[01:43] <vata0[m]> hell maybe its my ssd having a moment 
[01:44] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm, that sounds plausible. I've had strange lockups when my SSD suddenly got hammered, though that was with Ubuntu Desktop.
[01:44] <arraybolt3[m]> (Sidenote, we generally keep the language entirely family-friendly for the sake of other users in the room.)
[01:44] <vata0[m]>  noted
[01:45] <arraybolt3[m]> arraybolt3[m]: Fixed the problem by switching to a faster computer with a much better SSD :P It was a pretty slow ADATA that was doing this.
[01:45] <vata0[m]> samsung evo
[01:45] <arraybolt3[m]> Hmm. Care to check for I/O errors?
[01:46] <vata0[m]> drop the command ill give u the output
[01:46] <arraybolt3[m]> sudo dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999 will show me your kernel dmesg log so I can look for anything suspicious. The command will spit out a link you can paste in.
[01:46] <arraybolt3[m]> You can also do sudo dmesg | grep -i 'i/o' if you want to filter the log for stuff with 'I/O' or 'i/o' in it.
[01:47] <arraybolt3[m]> s//`/, s//`/, s/in/into the chat/
[01:49] <vata0[m]> https://termbin.com/hc5j
[01:49] <vata0[m]> ran sudo dmesg | grep -i 'i/o'
[01:49] <vata0[m]> spit out [    0.132999] APIC: Switch to symmetric I/O mode setup
[01:50] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah, I don't see any errors in there, so if there is a problem the system didn't hit it this time.
[01:51] <arraybolt3[m]> You can also check the SMART data for your SSD to make sure it's still working alright. sudo apt install smartmontools will install a tool, smartctl, for that. Then you can do sudo smartctl -x /dev/DRIVE_ID (replacing DRIVE_ID as appropriate - it will usually be sda or nvme0) and it will spit out a ton of diagnostic info. And if you want me to look at it you can do sudo smartctl -x /dev/DRIVE_ID | nc termbin.com 9999 and
[01:51] <arraybolt3[m]> I can look at it.
[01:52] <arraybolt3[m]> I don't expect to see anything bad though - SSDs are usually pretty reliable, Samsung SSDs especially so (with the exception of the 990 Pro NVMe SSDs and a few other models, which have a firmware bug that causes rapid wear, but I don't think you have one of those if you have an EVO SSD).
[01:53] <vata0[m]> na this is like a 960 or a 970 i cant remember off the top of my head 
[01:54] <arraybolt3[m]> Yeah, that should be good. I have a 970 EVO Plus 1 TB in this laptop and it works great and doesn't suffer from the firmware bug.
[01:54] <vata0[m]> sorry 870
[01:54] <vata0[m]> [01:55] <vata0[m]> i mean since we here talking why not
[01:55] <arraybolt3[m]> Holy moly that's a lot of writes, hang on a bit...
[01:56] <arraybolt3[m]> Oh actually that's not so bad.
[01:56] <arraybolt3[m]> 2.18 TiB written, that SSD should take much, much more.
[01:57] <arraybolt3[m]> And none of your SMART values are out of range (below the THRESHOLD value), so that's good.
[01:58] <vata0[m]> ill remove that  so it wont clutter chat
[01:58] <arraybolt3[m]> I mean it's not causing that much of a problem but if you want.
[01:59] <arraybolt3[m]> Anyway, I'm getting hungry, I should probably go. Glad we were able to get transparency working! Anything else I can try to help with before I go?
[02:00] <vata0[m]> im good and seriously i really do appreciate your help. 
[02:01] <arraybolt3[m]> Glad I could help, and happy to hear that Ubuntu Studio's working for you! Don't hesitate to come back if something goes wrong or you need help. :)
[02:02] <vata0[m]> for sure. ill come back through just to run my mouth and check yall out prolly
[02:02] <vata0[m]> have a good night
[02:02] <arraybolt3[m]> vata0[m]: If you like off-topic chat, there's an #ubuntu-studio-offtopic:matrix.org channel where we talk about whatever. It's not super active, but it gets some fun activity every so often.
[02:03] <vata0[m]> awesome ill join
[22:41] <Eickmeyer> sort
[22:43] <arraybolt3> uniq
[22:45] <Eickmeyer> That was a command that was supposed to be internal, but broadcasted.
[22:46] <arraybolt3> lol, looked like you were trying really hard to sort something and it kept going to different channels :P
[22:50] <Eickmeyer> arraybolt3: TBH, I was trying really hard to sort something.
[22:54] <arraybolt3> Heh, one of these days I'll accidentally rattle off my ISO-checking oneliner into a random channel and then we'll laugh at that.
[22:55] <arraybolt3> gpg --keyid-format=long --verify SHA256SUMS.gpg SHA256SUMS |& grep Good && sha256sum -c SHA256SUMS |& grep OK