[00:11] <Towser> is this the right channel for Wine?
[00:11] <sarnold> Towser: well, it's not *wrong*, but there is a #winehq that might know things better
[00:18] <Towser> every time I try to run wine clock it error with "the explorer process failed to start"
[00:52] <jhutchins> cluelessperson: I'd change the default boot to the older kernel if I needed to get work done, then boot to the new kernel and examine logs and loads to determine which specific module was causing the problems.  I'd keep an eye out for kernel updates, and test those to see if the reversion was fixed.
[01:58] <kale> helloo
[02:31] <funhouse> is it ok to ask a certbot question here?
[02:32] <sarnold> yeah, but perhaps an acme or certbot channel might be more responsive, or more knowledgeable, etc
[03:03] <joako> Is there any way to make the apt-get upgrade command actually update all my software?
[03:04] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate
[03:04] <joako> First it says the repository change its 'codename' and I have to search how to bypass that
[03:04] <joako> Then it is saying the package of that repo is "held back"
[03:05] <joako> I want to set it up so that apt-get upgrade just bypasses all those roadblocks and updates everything
[03:05] <joako> Similar to how every other distro on this planet works
[03:05] <lotuspsychje> can you pastebin of whats happening in your apt joako ?
[03:05] <lotuspsychje> !paste
[03:05] <joako> Its annoying so I am going to say no
[03:06] <joako> First it says the repository change its 'codename'
[03:08] <joako> So then I do apt-get upgrade --allow-releaseinfo-change
[03:08] <joako> And now I am stuck with the package I want to update being "held back"
[03:08] <joako> How can I bypass all this crap and just have it update with the basic update commands?
[03:09] <sarnold> joako: it depends upon why they have been held back. If they've been held back due to phasing, the instructions on https://askubuntu.com/a/1431941/33812  can help
[03:10] <joako> I doubt it
[03:10] <sarnold> joako: if they've been held back because your third party repositories don't have new enough packages available, you might be able to --force your way through things, or perhaps apt download and then dpgk -i ./foo*deb  or whatever. but then you might be left with a bunch of software that doesn't work.
[03:11] <joako> In any case how can I make apt-get update & apt-get upgrade just upgrade everything without all this issue?
[03:11] <sarnold> you cannot
[03:11] <sarnold> you must understand what the messages say
[03:11] <joako> apt-get dist-upgrade seems to upgrade
[03:11] <joako> So I will use that from now how
[03:12] <joako> But what about the first error? How do I make apt-get update update the 'codename'?
[03:19] <gry> joako: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[03:21] <joako> gry, LOL so every time the package updates from version 6 to 7 to 8 I need to manually edit stuff to upgrade?
[03:21] <joako> Like I said with every other distro I use there is one command to install the updates.
[03:21] <joako> Already with Ubuntu it is 2 commands
[03:22] <joako> And those 2 commands wont even update everything
[03:23] <Habbie> i suggest you ask for your money back
[03:24] <mybalzitch> sudo do-release-upgrade if you want to go from 22.04 to 22.10 for example
[03:24] <mybalzitch> it will probably tell you to edit a file in /etc if you want to go between lts/non-lts
[03:28] <joako> I dont want to change my ubuntu release
[03:28] <joako> Just update all the packages to the newest version
[03:29] <mybalzitch> then why are you trying to change the codename of the version of ubuntu you're running
[03:29] <joako> Apt-get update says the codename of one of my repos changed
[03:29] <joako> So the new version needs that codename
[03:29] <mybalzitch> 22.04 gets different version packages than 22.10
[03:29] <sarnold> mybalzitch: this is something that one his third-party repositories changed
[03:30] <mybalzitch> oh I see that now, sorry
[03:30] <joako> For example if I use Fedora Linux 37 with single command: "dnf upgrade" it upgrades all the packages to the latest of Fedora 37
[03:30] <mybalzitch> sarnold: thanks for the heads up
[03:31] <joako> Or or if I use OpenSUSE Leap 15.4 the single command "zypper up" will update all my packages to the latest of OpenSuSE Leap 15.4
[03:52] <gry> joako: no, package updates are automatic
[03:53] <gry> joako: could you please show the full error message
[03:59] <joako> gry, https://pastebin.com/8qSWWDpe
[04:01] <leftyfb> joako: that is the Unifi repo updating it's codename by itself. Literally nothing to do with ubuntu
[04:02] <joako> leftyfb, Sure... but Ubuntu is the one that refuses to update to the newest version without all these work-arounds
[04:02] <leftyfb> joako: the unifi package is being held back because you didn't not "accept" the change. Though I'm not sure how they want you to do that.
[04:02] <joako> And then Ubuntu holds back the update even after you do the first bypass
[04:02] <leftyfb> joako: that is not true. All the rest of your packages will update just fine regardless
[04:03] <joako> leftyfb, incorrect. It only shows held back after I do the command: apt-get update allow-releaseinfo-change
[04:03] <joako> And that is my issue. How can I get this to include into the auto update?
[04:04] <leftyfb> joako: sudo apt-get update --allow-releaseinfo-change ; sudo apt update ; sudo apt install unifi
[04:04] <joako> Should I make that into a cron?
[04:04] <leftyfb> why would you do that?
[04:04] <joako> So it can auto update with the rest of the packages
[04:04] <leftyfb> just run the command
[04:06] <joako> I would rather it just not hold back updates
[04:09] <joako> what about apt-mark unhold... would that be permanent?
[04:09] <leftyfb> that will hold the package version so it will never be updated
[04:09] <sarnold> I don't thikn that's why 'changed codename' packages are being held back
[04:10] <sarnold> they're being held back because the upstream repo changed the codename
[04:10] <leftyfb> another option would be to add:  Acquire::AllowReleaseInfoChange::Codename "true";              to /etc/apt/apt.conf
[04:10] <sarnold> I understand apt full-upgrade does some metadata mangling
[04:10] <sarnold> but I never use that command, and don't use third-party repos, so I can't confirm that myself
[04:11] <leftyfb> sarnold: unifi does this often. I actually made the above change on my controller a long time ago and forgot about it. It's part of my ansible playbook when/if I have to rebuild the controller from scratch so it always just gets done for me
[04:12] <sarnold> leftyfb: blech :(
[04:12] <leftyfb> which part?
[04:12] <joako> Can I use Acquire::AllowReleaseInfoChange "true"; instead -- in case it blocks some attribute other than Codename? I could not find any reference for this config option even the man page is missing the info
[04:13] <joako> And then I would just need to replace my my head apt-get upgrade and always use apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:13] <joako> But that will not update the Ubuntu to a different version, correct?
[04:13] <joako> I do not want to change the Ubuntu version
[04:13] <leftyfb> joako: you add the change I gave you and then just your updates as normal.
[04:13] <leftyfb> joako: it will not upgrade the ubuntu release
[04:14] <leftyfb> ubuntu is not a rolling release and will not attempt to change the codename on it's own
[04:14] <sarnold> leftyfb: the part where they change the codename often :)
[04:14] <joako> I dont think so. When the Codename change is blocked the update is not held back
[04:14] <sarnold> leftyfb: ansibling away annoyances is awesome :)
[04:14] <joako> Only when the codename change is allowed does apt-get update see the new version. And only then can that new version be kept back
[04:14] <leftyfb> joako: you add the change I gave you and then just your updates as normal. problem solved
[04:15] <joako> Am I living in a fantasy world or does the man page say apt get upgrade WILL NOT pull in new packages. Therefore if there is a new dependency is why it gets kept back.
[04:16] <oerheks> line 14 gives a clue
[04:16] <oerheks> >>>>>E: Repository 'https://dl.ubnt.com/unifi/debian stable InRelease' changed its 'Codename' value from 'unifi-6.5' to 'unifi-7.3'
[04:16] <sarnold> joako: apt-get upgrade does something different than apt upgrade
[04:16] <leftyfb> joako: it will pull in dependencies. Though that scenario is very rare
[04:17] <oerheks> joako, so read their manual, your blame ubuntu is faulty is silly https://www.myhowto.blog/changed-its-codename-value-from-unifi-7-1-to-unifi-7-2/
[04:18] <joako> This is the relevant apt log: https://pastebin.com/X0Qge7nf
[04:18] <joako> apt-get upgrade kept back the unifi update. Only apt-get dist-upgrade applied it.
[04:18] <oerheks> good luck
[04:18] <leftyfb> joako: are you still trying to diagnose a problem we've already solved?
[04:18] <joako> So I should use apt command instead of apt-get?
[04:18] <leftyfb> joako: you add the change I gave you and then just apt your updates as normal. problem solved
[04:19] <joako> I dont understand how. Wont that change ONLY allow the automatic change of codename?
[04:19] <sarnold> joako: yes, apt upgrade is a better command to use than apt-get upgrade
[04:19] <joako> sarnold, How so? Is it more likely not to keep back an update?
[04:19] <leftyfb> joako: yes, which is the entire root of the issue
[04:20] <joako> Can I uninstall apt-get?
[04:20] <leftyfb> joako: you can break your OS if you like, but I don't recommend it
[04:21] <sarnold> joako: no, you cannot uninstall apt-get
[04:21] <joako> Can I make the shell always interpret apt-get as apt?
[04:21] <sarnold> joako: you can add shell aliases if you like
[04:21] <leftyfb> why?
[04:21] <leftyfb> stop
[04:21] <joako> leftyfb, so I never use the crappy apt-get again
[04:21] <leftyfb> don't type it in then
[04:21] <leftyfb> there's also nothing wrong with it
[04:21] <sarnold> joako: apt-get upgrade will not install new packages if updates require them. apt upgrade will install new packages if updates require them.
[04:22] <joako> My other solution would be try cp 'which apt' 'which apt-get'
[04:22] <leftyfb> joako: or you could just leave it alone and do updates as normal
[04:23] <sarnold> joako: it only took me two years to get the hang of typing apt update && apt upgrade   rather than apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade   :) I believe in you!
[04:23] <leftyfb> joako: echo "Acquire::AllowReleaseInfoChange::Codename \"true\";" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99releaseinfochange && sudo apt update && sudo apt install unifi && sudo apt upgrade ; echo "my computer is fixed!"
[04:24] <leftyfb> joako: run that and you should be good, no broken system. No problems with apt. All is well
[04:24] <joako> So you think now it would update automatically with the default cron job?
[04:24] <leftyfb> I do not recommend putting package upgrades on autopilot
[04:25] <joako> It ships from the factory doing automatic updates. I wasnt even aware of that
[04:26] <leftyfb> ubuntu does not "ship from the factory doing automatic updates"
[04:27] <oerheks> 'it'?
[04:27] <leftyfb> Unifi doesn't do automatic updates on it's own by default either
[04:28] <joako> According to my /var/log/apt/history.log there is a script /usr/bin/unattended-upgrade that runs every morning around 7AM
[04:28] <joako> it = ubuntu
[04:29] <sarnold> leftyfb: unattended-upgrades is installed by default https://termbin.com/sjwjg and is configured to install security updates every night without prompting
[04:29] <leftyfb> joako: there are some security updates, it will not update all packages and will certainly not touch 3rd party packages like unifi
[04:29] <sarnold> leftyfb: and of course, snapd is configured to do updates whenever without any prompting
[04:29] <leftyfb> I'm not even going to go there :)
[04:30] <leftyfb> we can't even get past apt
[04:31] <sarnold> :D
[04:31] <joako> LOL I was going to ask how bad would it be to delete snapd if the only snap on the system is called 'core'
[04:31] <joako> That crap always uses up a ton of disk space on the systems that utilized it
[04:31] <sarnold> joako: yeah, if you don't use it it should be fine to remove it
[04:31] <leftyfb> goodnight sarnold
[04:31] <sarnold> gn8 leftyfb :)
[04:38] <gry> good solution, leftyfb
[04:59] <Baphomet_> yo
[04:59] <Baphomet_> this chat seem dead asf
[05:00] <sarnold> friday night, europe asleep, america partying, asia weekending
[05:03] <Baphomet_> lmao
[05:03] <Baphomet_> any chats you guys reccomend to join?
[05:04] <sarnold> i'm in a hundred channels or something and there's two with traffic right now -- this one and #debian on oftc, where a dude is getting his new hetzner account configured for backups
[05:04] <sarnold> everything else is pretty dead
[05:06] <Baphomet_> damm
[05:12] <Baphomet_> you guys like weed?
[08:26] <elwisp> found the issue, the client had changed ip addr!
[08:43] <regis> sup. What is the most reasonable way to battle funky behavior of crapped-out apt/dkpg? Get the missing file from another Ubuntu? Remove all info on this 'byobu' package? I've tried to remove all packages and reinstall them but with no luck - similar errors.
[08:44] <regis> https://bsd.to/6OMD/raw
[08:44] <regis> s/dkpg/dpkg/
[08:46] <eax_> regis: here's your fix: sudo dpkg --configure -a; sudo apt-get install -f; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:47] <regis> eax_: Sadly, "sudo dpkg --configure -a" produces same errors.
[08:47] <eax_> regis: you can run them as such or one @ atime
[08:48] <eax_> regis: remove the offending packages: sudo dpkg --remove byobu; sudo dpkg --remove ubuntu-drivers-common
[08:49] <regis> eax_: Similar output with both --remove and --purge: "dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove byobu which isn't installed" & "dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove ubuntu-drivers-common which isn't installed"
[08:51] <eax_> regis: oh i c. then it could mean that your dpkgs db is not synced up. try this: sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get install --reinstall dpkg
[08:52] <eax_> regis: once you rebuild the package database, you can try running the sudo dpkg --configure -a command again to complete the configuration of any partially installed packages.
[08:52] <regis> eax_: No juice :( "apt-get install --reinstall dpkg" produces the same output about byobu and the other package.
[08:53] <eax_> regis: ok, let's try purging lol
[08:54] <eax_> regis: run this series of commands: sudo apt-get clean; sudo apt-get autoclean; sudo rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/*; sudo apt-get update
[08:55] <eax_> regis: if that works, then try again with: sudo dpkg --configure -a command
[08:56] <regis> eax_: All the "cleaning" commands went through but "sudo dpkg --configure -a" behaves the same. (
[08:56] <eax_> regis: interesting!!!
[08:57] <regis> eax_: Yeah, quite :)
[08:57] <eax_> regis: ok, we'll have to do some surgery. so put on your gloves and grab a scalpel. we're going in manually. try the following: sudo vim/nano/emacs or $EDITOR /var/lib/dpkg/status
[08:58] <eax_> regis: n the file, search for any entries that reference the byobu or ubuntu-drivers-common packages and delete them. Once you have removed all references to the packages, save and close the file.  After editing the package manager's status file, you can try running the sudo dpkg --configure -a command again
[08:59] <regis> # egrep -c 'byobu|ubuntu-drivers-common' /var/lib/dpkg/status
[08:59] <regis> 0
[09:00] <eax_> regis: that's peculiar to say the least lol
[09:02] <regis> eax_: Yeah. It's a minimal Ubuntu server 22.04 on which I only installed some Python modules and then went to try to install amdgpu drivers (to try to run some machine learning stuff on Ryzen's GPU) which apparently did not went well.
[09:03] <eax_> regis: it's possible that the issue with the python3 package is caused by another factor that is not related to the byobu or ubuntu-drivers-common packages. let me take a second look at the error messages. choto-mate kudasai!
[09:04] <eax_> regis: based on what i see in on the traceback, it appears that the py3clean script is failing to access the byobu and ubuntu-drivers-common packages, which causes the dpkg package manager to return an error code of 1. so ... let me think since i cannot replicate it fast enough
[09:06] <regis> eax_: THank you for the assistance! :) https://bsd.to/ssfE/raw
[09:07] <regis> eax_: Hey, I think I battled it with: apt install ubuntu-drivers-common byobu -y
[09:07] <regis> Now I can both "apt upgrade" and "dpkg --configure -a"
[09:08] <pikapika> the gpu makers are very secretive and hostile
[09:08] <eax_> regis: bam!!!! i was about to send you this when you sent the good news : "let's try to trick the databse by sudo apt-get remove byobu and sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-drivers-common (i know that it's not installed, but dpkg db seems to think it is), and then reinstall the python3 package using the sudo apt-get install python3 command"
[09:08] <regis> Now I'd like to undestand how this situation happened to avoid it in the future. Quite time consuming and frustrating.
[09:08] <eax_> regis: it would've been the long way around. the issue (i think) was the py3clean script
[09:09] <regis> pikapika: Yeah but it did not seemed to be issues with drivers themselv, but with Python modules/packages.
[09:09] <eax_> regis: and my hypothesis is based on the traceback from Python
[09:09] <regis> eax_: There was also "sh: 1: /usr/lib/cnf-update-db: not found" at some point.
[09:10] <regis> eax_: Again: huge thanks for your help!
[09:10] <eax_> regis: it's simple as far as after action for you is concerned. the packages were missing or were not fully installed, which caused the py3clean script to fail when attempting to access them.
[09:11] <regis> eax_: Logically, packages which were not successfully installed, should not get registered imo.
[09:11] <eax_> regis: no worries. i learn along in the process. so it's a mutually benefiting diagnosis exercise
[09:13] <eax_> regis: Perl is particular about undef values. apt-get is a C utility with a bunch of Perl underneath it
[09:13] <eax_> regis: sometimes the Perl part gets in the way of things. specifically when it comes to undef values
[09:14] <regis> eax_: Perl not Python?
[09:14] <regis> I've only seen Python tracebacks.
[09:18] <eax_> regis: the tracebacks are for the actual packages that are using Python. if it was a Lua package called luaclean for example, and you had an error. apt-get will give you the Lua error code if that was provided upstream by the pkg maintainers. in this case
[09:18] <eax_> regis: in this case, py3clean, is used to clean up compiled Python bytecode files from the system. py3clean is a part of the python3 package, and it is executed as a part of the package post-installation script.
[09:19] <eax_> regis: There are some Python scripts and modules included in the Ubuntu and Debian package management system that are written in Python, and they may be called during the package installation, upgrade or removal process.
[09:21] <regis> eax_: Thanks. I'll read up on that or dig into sources. Seems like I might be working with Ubuntu soon so understanding how packages process works is a necessity.
[09:22] <eax_> regis: Ubuntu includes both Python and Perl in its default installation, and both programming languages are widely used for system management tasks. there is some legacu Debian stuff. e.g Debian hascommon Perl modules used in Ubuntu for system management like Debconf, which is used for managing Debian package configurations, and Net::SSH, which is used for remote command execution and management.
[09:23] <regis> eax_: Is there an interface for these remote commands? Since it's a local Perl package, I'm guessing it's about outgoing SSH connections because such packages aren't needed to "ssh user@host 'command'"
[09:24] <eax_> regis: that's the problem w/ Ubuntu and Debian. as the younger devs join the core team. they've migrated sysadmin stuff from shell to perl to python. the BSDs don't mix and match much. thereby resulting in a cleaner OS. OpenBSD for example is pure Perl or POSIX shell for system admin
[09:25] <regis> eax_: BSD user for 20+ years, I see the differences. :)
[09:27] <eax_> Yes, in Debian based distros; there are several Perl modules that provide interfaces for executing remote commands over SSH connections. Both Net::SSH and Expect are available as Perl packages in Ubuntu. Once installed, you can use these modules to execute remote commands and automate system management tasks on remote hosts.
[09:28] <regis> eax_: Ok. That doesn't seem useful for me as I'm using Ansible and usually just create OS images with Packer.
[09:28] <eax_> regis: i daily drive FreeBSD (like right now lol) and OpenBSD for servers. but i work w/ Ubuntu and Debian servers all day for work
[09:29] <regis> eax_: So we're talking FreeBSD to FreeBSD :) I'm on a laptop running FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT right now.
[09:30] <eax_> regis: ansible & packer takes care of all your needs. i was bringing it to your attention in case you needed to dig down, read some source code and debug on the spot. for remote mgmt, ansible & packer should be preferred
[09:30] <eax_> regis: +1 on the 14.0-CURRENT
[09:32] <eax_> regis: the problem is most people (users include) don't realize that the BSDs and Windows (may i add lol) are an actual complete OS. Linux are simply distros (not that you don't already know) just adding it for conversation sake
[09:35] <eax_> regis: i would exclude Alpine. i believe that they are the closest thing to the BSDs on the Linux front. and it is a complete OS in its own right
[09:35] <regis> eax_: Yup. I treat stuff like pfSense, TrueNAS, DesktopBSD, GhostBSD etc as "distros" though. It's still different from Linux where you have separate kernel and userspace, but preinstalled and preconfigured non-base software feels more like a "distro" than an OS.
[09:36] <eax_> regis: +1
[09:36] <regis> eax_: I only use Alpine for Docker/Kubernetes images due to... well, minimalism.
[09:37] <eax_> regis: i ran Alpine as my main driver for years. it was solid. i only got rid of it because i donated away that ThinkPad and never thought about running it again since {Free,Open}BSD does everything i need both on the desktop and server space
[09:40] <regis> eax_: WiFi sucks though. :( I'm waiting for the ability to run Linux drivers via linuxkpi (as I am doing with amdgpu for Xorg acceleration right now). FreeBSD still only has 802.11a/b/g/n and no ability to get 5GHz speeds. There's the iwlwifi driver but it's unstable on my ThinkPad T14s with intel's AX200.
[09:41] <regis> (the driver is a wip of course, not included in the OS)
[10:37] <snowkid> can someone link me a reasonable guide to installing/using a second ssd on my ubuntu box?
[10:37] <snowkid> google thinks im a microsloth user by default
[12:36] <lololol> hi
[12:50] <lololol> hi
[13:58] <RaimondRaj> what is the error is this ( https://paste.linux.chat/?f9a3e24e59d1e0a3#5gmDjT69FEme89zVAakJbWxJB2K5QrruDmCY7ZMookC1 )
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> RaimondRaj: hirsute is end of life by now
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> RaimondRaj: pick/install a supported ubuntu version from this channels topic
[14:01] <RaimondRaj> im on 22.04
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> thats not what your repos are saying
[14:02] <RaimondRaj> i dont know
[14:02] <lotuspsychje> !hirsute
[14:04] <akik> lotuspsychje: can he use do-release-upgrade to do it?
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> akik: !eolupgrade is possible yes, but im not a fan of upgrading from eol releases (my opinion)
[14:05] <akik> !eolupgrade
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> the longer a user keeps using the eol release, the more chance system gets compromised due security flaws, see !usn
[14:08] <ntech_> CC A LA COMUNAOTE
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> !fr | ntech_
[14:09] <ntech_> Hi everybody
[14:46] <hobdad> hello, at the login screen (lighdm) i see [language_code] instead of the language selector. Any idea what is not configured properly or not installed? I have done `dpkg-reconfigure locales` and `dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration` and it didn't help
[14:46] <RaimondRaj> Some third party entries in your sources.list were disabled. You can re-enable them after the upgrade with the 'software-properties' tool or your package manager.
[15:54] <ioria> hobdad, can you paste /etc/locale.gen ?  cat /etc/locale.gen | nc termbin.com
[15:57] <throwthecheese> I'm having system stability issues on my Chuwi Hi10X. I have Ubuntu 22.04 installed alongside Windows 10, the OS it came with, to avoid running into cluster BSODs but my enxperience on Ubuntu is getting as bad as dealing with the BSODs on my Windows partition. Sometimes it's only Firefox crashing constantly but sometimes the issue affects other software I'm running. In the worst cases my system either hangs or
[15:57] <throwthecheese> I get thrown back into command line.
[16:00] <throwthecheese> I had a suspicion that fx might be behind my stability issues but that hypothesis is probably unreasonable
[16:00] <hermano> Trying to get "copy & paste working with KVM/QEMU/VMM. Following these intructions: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1375027/copy-paste-does-not-work-between-host-and-guest-ubuntu-spice-installed
[16:02] <throwthecheese> Any ideas on making my system more stable? FYI I'm on kernel 6.1.0-1004 as the default kernel in 22.04 doesn't support my device completely
[16:04] <hobdad> ioria: it's only en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 there
[16:06] <jhutchins> throwthecheese: The first thing I'd do is try another browser.
[16:06] <jhutchins> throwthecheese: What do the sites that crash firefox have in common?
[16:06] <jhutchins> throwthecheese: How much RAM do you have?
[16:06] <throwthecheese> It's not just about Firefox, I'm having stability issues systemwide
[16:06] <ioria> hobdad, did you run 'locale-gen' ?
[16:07] <throwthecheese> I just had Chromium crash on me
[16:08] <jhutchins> It looks like a "Chuwi Hi10X" might be a Windows tablet.
[16:08] <hobdad> ioria, no if installer doesn't do it
[16:08] <ioria> hobdad, do it and restart lightdm
[16:08] <jhutchins> throwthecheese: What have you found in the logs?
[16:11] <throwthecheese> One of my crash reports from this day says SIGSEGV / SEGV_MAPERR
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> throwthecheese: lets see your dmesg in a !paste please, so volunteers can help trace whats happening exactly
[16:13] <SuperLag> Does issues getting a GPG key for $REPO necessarily mean you'll have issues downloading from that repo also if you did have the key?
[16:13] <SuperLag> sudo curl -fsSLo /etc/apt/keyrings/kubernetes-archive-keyring.gpg https://packages.cloud.google.com/apt/doc/apt-key.gpg
[16:13] <SuperLag> curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 500
[16:13] <SuperLag> sorry, thought that'd all come on one line 😬
[16:13] <hobdad> ioria, now I have 3 records in the /etc/locale.gen but I still have [language_code] after rebooting
[16:17] <ioria> hobdad, cat /etc/locale.gen | nc termbin.com
[16:22] <hobdad> ioria, its 'en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8` and `de_DE.UTF-8 UTF-8` in there. CAnnot use that nc termbin.com
[16:23] <hobdad> ioria, i run this `cat /etc/locale.gen   | grep -v ^#`
[16:23] <jhutchins> SuperLag: That doesn't look like a canonical/ubuntu URL.
[16:24] <SuperLag> Nope, but I'm trying to add a mirror to 5 Ubuntu machines.
[16:26] <hobdad> ioria, you mean to open browser window and paste with `nc termbin.com` right? Because nc doesn't work
[16:28] <sereg> `cat output | nc termbin.com 9999`
[16:30] <jhutchins> SuperLag: I would contact whoever maintains that site and ask them.
[16:32] <hobdad> ah, the port number is 9999 at termbin.com. I tried with 80
[16:39] <ioria> hobdad, yes, sorry : cat /etc/locale.gen | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:48] <hobdad> ioria, as I said, https://termbin.com/l5mp
[16:49] <throwthecheese> https://termbin.com/t3pa Here's my dmesg output for this day
[16:49] <ioria> hobdad, well, try to comment (#) de and ru and just restart lightdm from console (sudo systemctl restart lightdm)
[16:49] <throwthecheese> brb, have to reboot
[16:52] <hobdad> ioria, nope, still the same
[16:52] <throwthecheese> Back
[16:53] <ioria> hobdad, cat /etc/default/locale | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:53] <throwthecheese> My root filesystem got remounted as ro for some reason and I also had to deal with a busybox possession, I mean reboot
[16:53] <leftyfb> throwthecheese: sounds like bad hardware to me
[16:54] <leftyfb> BSOD's on another OS, applications crashing, filesystem going read-only. That is a hardware issue
[16:54] <hobdad> ioria,  https://termbin.com/9pwb8
[16:56] <ioria> hobdad, again  'locale-gen' and restart lightdm, then we could try with another login_manager
[16:58] <hobdad> ioria, nope
[16:59] <ioria> hobdad, what's your version of lightdm ? 1.30.0-0ubuntu5 ?
[17:00] <hobdad> yes, lightdm-gtk-greeter is 2.0.8-2ubuntu1
[17:02] <ioria> hobdad, cat /etc/pam.d/lightdm  | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:03] <hobdad> ioria,  https://termbin.com/e01j0
[17:05] <ioria> hobdad, the second-last line (session required   pam_env.so readenv=1 user_readenv=1 envfile=/etc/default/locale) ; comment it and restart
[17:09] <hobdad> ioria, there's  also lightdm-greeter there with the same line
[17:09] <hobdad> should it be commented out too?
[17:10] <ioria> no idea about that, sy
[17:13] <hobdad> ioria, nope, doesn't help
[17:13] <leftyfb> hobdad: I'm curious, why are you running lightdm?
[17:13] <ioria> hobdad, lets' change it
[17:14] <hobdad> because it is light?
[17:14] <ioria> idk, maybe lxdm or something else
[17:14] <hobdad> nah, I'm fine with lightdm
[17:14] <leftyfb> hobdad: why did you install lightdm when gdm(the default) works fine?
[17:15] <hobdad> not my default
[17:15] <ioria> hobdad, would be a test to check if it's a lightdm bug or a misconfiguration
[17:15] <leftyfb> hobdad: what flavor of ubuntu are you running?
[17:15] <hobdad> xubu
[17:15] <ioria> yes, xubuntu uses lightdm i guess
[17:16] <ioria> hobdad, shall we ?
[17:17] <hobdad> no, I'll install full xubuntu sometimes later in a VM and check.
[17:17] <ioria> ok
[17:17] <leftyfb> full xubuntu? This isn't a standard install of xubuntu?
[17:18] <hobdad> nope
[17:18] <leftyfb> how so?
[17:18] <ioria> hobdad, restore the line in  /etc/pam.d/lightdm  then
[17:19] <hobdad> i always install up to the console and then i3 on top with some xubuntu apps
[17:19] <hobdad> i only use ubuntu's packaging system
[17:21] <leftyfb> hobdad: there's benefits to installing the OS proper. Applications and services that get installed are usually configured properly and ready to go out of the box.
[17:21] <hobdad> there's benefits to use my own desktop - it's always the same and nobody can change a thing
[17:31] <hobdad> ioria, thanks for help
[17:39] <ioria> no prob
[17:43] <akik> i have 0080 (macos) and 0000 (ubuntu) defined for boot efi boot order 0080,0000
[17:44] <akik> this get always changed to 0000,0080 when i restart the system from ubuntu. what is doing it?
[17:44] <EriC^> akik: the uefi, try changing the order from within it
[17:45] <akik> EriC^: i used efibootmgr
[17:45] <EriC^> akik: try the actual uefi/bios
[17:45] <EriC^> which make is it? acer by any chance?
[17:45] <akik> EriC^: this is an imac i haven't seen an uefi/bios
[17:46] <EriC^> akik: ah
[17:46] <akik> i'll test again. i have it now as 0080,0000
[17:47] <EriC^> whats the file of 0080 anyways? in -v
[17:49] <akik> once again it gets changed to 0000,0800 and i get grub
[17:49] <akik> EriC^: this is 0080: Boot0080* PciRoot(0x0)/Pci(0x1f,0x2)/Sata(0,0,0)/HD(1,GPT,00004a55-5b0c-0000-034e-0000fe360000,0x28,0x64000)/File(\EFI\BOOT\BOOTX64.efi)
[17:49] <akik> after boot: BootOrder: 0000,0080
[17:50] <EriC^> akik: aha and 0000 is the /system/library/coreservices/..?
[17:50] <akik> EriC^: 0000 is ubuntu: Boot0000* ubuntulog HD(1,GPT,00004a55-5b0c-0000-034e-0000fe360000,0x28,0x64000)/File(\EFI\ubuntu\shimx64.efi)
[17:50] <akik> dunno where that log came from
[17:51] <EriC^> try deleting it?
[17:51] <akik> EriC^: deleting what?
[17:51] <EriC^> efibootmgr -B -b 0000
[17:51] <EriC^> deleting the entry
[17:51] <akik> well then i can't boot anything
[17:52] <akik> ubuntu changes the order to 0000,0080
[17:52] <EriC^> shouldnt 0080 then be first
[17:52] <akik> yes
[17:53] <EriC^> try to delete it and see if 0080 sticks as first
[17:53] <akik> i set it as 0080,0000 and after a restart from ubuntu it's 0000,0080
[17:55] <akik> it's not a bad choice after all. ubuntu mate works fine on this machine but i'd like to access macos now
[17:57] <EriC^> aha, by default ubuntu doesnt switch any entries and whatnot, unless you installed something that's doing that, and i doubt
[17:58] <EriC^> it's probably the uefi having some issue, maybe its set to readonly mode or i dunno
[17:58] <akik> this is a brand new mate installation with no customizations
[17:59] <EriC^> akik: you're welcome to test it from a live usb if you want
[17:59] <EriC^> use efibootmgr from there and restart and see
[18:00] <akik> ok
[18:00] <akik> but isn't there the same services in the live session?
[18:01] <EriC^> no services do that
[18:03] <EriC^> if you really want you could run efibootmgr -o , then after a bit run it efibootmgr -v to confirm its still changed, then insta-reboot from the power button or so
[18:03] <EriC^> but its getting bit ridiculous
[18:03] <akik> i doubt apple hardware would change it from macos to ubuntu :)
[18:05] <EriC^> yeah, not really a feature they have :D
[18:05] <EriC^> anyways try it out and let me know
[18:07] <akik> i'll try efibootmgr -o 0080,0000 and reboot -f -f after that in the live session
[18:09] <akik> still boots ubuntu
[18:09] <akik> wtf
[18:09] <EriC^> :D
[18:09] <akik> hijack completed
[18:10] <EriC^> hotel california
[18:10] <EriC^> if you want as a workaround maybe you can switch the files they use temporarily
[18:10] <akik> in the esp?
[18:11] <EriC^> is there no bios thing in macos at all?
[18:11] <EriC^> yeah
[18:11] <akik> i don't know
[18:12] <rfm> apple hardware has only uefi (and it's a slightly mutated version, I hear.)
[18:13] <akik> i switched the files. ubuntu is still booting
[18:13] <akik> i'll reinstall macos
[18:13] <EriC^> you copied /boot/efi/bootx64.efi to shimx64.efi ?
[18:14] <EriC^> */boot/efi/efi/bootx64.efi
[18:14] <EriC^> er, /boot/efi/efi/boot/bootx64.efi
[18:15] <akik> i switched the two files together
[18:15] <EriC^> akik: could you share "ls -lR /boot/efi | nc termbin.com 9999" ?
[18:16] <akik> it's too late now
[18:16] <EriC^> why, there actually might be a system/library/coreservices stuff and others that are useful
[18:16] <akik> i'm pissed off that this thing does something i can't understand
[18:17] <EriC^> uefi is like that, very normal
[18:17] <akik> i'll chat again in an hour
[18:17] <akik> macos installer is running now
[18:17] <EriC^> ok
[18:23] <akik> i think i previously installed refind from macos to fix this problem
[18:40] <akik> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2023/02/ubuntu-flavors-no-flatpak
[18:41]  * leftyfb sigh
[18:41] <leftyfb> akik: flatpak will work just fine once you install the flatpak page
[18:41] <leftyfb> every article has got it wrong
[18:42] <leftyfb> they are only removing the flatpak package from the list of packages being installed on a fresh default install of ubuntu
[18:42] <akik> from all flavors
[18:42] <leftyfb> yep
[18:42] <leftyfb> if you need to run flatpak packages, just: sudo apt install flatpak
[18:46] <ioria> indeed, i was  surprised by this : https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/12/xubuntu-23-04-adds-pipewire-flatpak-to-default-install
[18:47] <akik> that won't happen now, i guess
[18:48] <ioria> let's see
[18:49] <ioria> sometimes it snows in Hollywood
[18:50] <ax562> ioria It's snowing in Hollywood?
[18:50] <ioria> yep
[18:52] <ax562> oh wow, it does snow sometimes in Southern CA.  I'm in LA. I remember it snowing here in the mid 90's.
[18:53] <ioria> right ,'89
[18:55] <JackFrost> http://git.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/xubuntu/commit/?id=0416dac774d49e2f608265785d0a766fceef7d5e
[18:55] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Commit 0416dac in ~xubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/xubuntu "Remove flatpak integration HEAD lunar"
[18:56] <ioria> ah, nice find
[18:56] <leftyfb> 2 packages
[18:56] <leftyfb> just install them if you need them
[19:05] <ShaedS> i have openvpn installed and running but no traffic is showing
[19:05] <ShaedS> how do I get this thing going w/ verbose so i can see whats' breaking?
[19:10] <akik> EriC^: now macos is booting again by default
[19:11] <EriC^> akik: nice, refind fixed it?
[19:11] <akik> no i reinstalled macos
[19:11] <EriC^> oh ok
[19:12] <akik> maybe i should try installing refind now
[19:32] <esv> ShaedS, did you fix your vpn yet?
[19:38] <ShaedS> no
[19:38] <ShaedS> still struggling to get logging to give verbose
[19:38] <esv> is the vpn up and running ?
[19:38] <ShaedS> i changed from 3 to 6 and restarted my vpnserver
[19:39] <ShaedS> but nothing is coming to the console
[19:39] <ShaedS> yes and i'm connected but no traffic is going through
[19:39] <esv> I used journalctl -f to debug my setup, but it was to troubleshoot the vpn setup.
[19:39] <ShaedS> i found one thing that said adding "compress" to the client .ovpn file would fix it
[19:40] <esv> you might need tcpdump to see the traffic
[19:40] <ShaedS> since i'm not conc erned about 'privacy' so much as i am concerned about myc arreir sending me tcp reset packets if thye see my stream is 720p, i can deal with that extra loss of privacy if it works
[19:40] <ShaedS> i'm tcpdumping rn
[19:40] <ShaedS> there's a lto of traffic coming ont the screen
[19:41] <esv> on the right interface?
[19:41] <ShaedS> uh i'm not sure
[19:42] <ShaedS> hmmm adding compress i think did somethign to fix it
[19:42] <ShaedS> but it's weird cause like the pages take fooorever to load
[19:42] <esv> k
[19:42] <ShaedS> speedtest just gave me 9.1 and then 17.1 for my upload
[19:42] <ShaedS> which is like, way better than any of the norvpn stuff which is always congested when i need to stream (espe cially lately) causing my stream to drop and make it unwatchable
[19:44] <ShaedS> i'mnto sure i can call this 'working yet
[19:44] <ShaedS> esv anythign is hould try?
[19:45] <esv> well, tcpdump should print the interface traffic is coming from, also you can limit it with the -i flag
[19:45] <esv> not sure if you're having MTU issues.
[19:46] <ShaedS> tcpdump is giving me lots of info yes
[19:46] <esv> how's your cpu/mem utilization
[19:46] <ShaedS> how do i check
[19:46] <ShaedS> top?
[19:46] <esv> yeah
[19:51] <esv> feel free to ignore me, I just spent 3 or 4 days trying to setup a VPN, all because I didn't realize I had to click on "Algorithms" to configure additional algorithm proposal to my VPN settings.
[19:52] <oerheks> glad you found it, esv
[19:52] <ShaedS> https://pastebin.com/CYzJWEtQ
[19:52] <ShaedS> esv: there it is
[20:01] <esv> doesn't look like a cpu issue, ...
[20:02] <akik> EriC^: i got the boot working with refind installed via macos
[20:02] <EriC^> nice
[20:02] <akik> EriC^: had to run "csrutil disable" in some macos recovery mode
[20:02] <EriC^> aha
[20:03] <akik> Disabling and Enabling System Integrity Protection
[20:13] <ShaedS> what else can it be?
[20:14] <oerheks> ShaedS, with unclear network issues, try to reset your router/modem?
[20:16] <jeblad> Trying to install another kernel , but it seems like they all fail somewhat silently. The boot process gets stuck with no error message. I wonder whether it is the mainboard that only use UEFI, and thus the kernels fail  because they are unsigned. Anyone that knows how to debug the situation?
[20:17] <oerheks> jeblad, our kernels are signed, where do you get yours from?
[20:17] <oerheks> there is !mainline, builds for testing
[20:17] <oerheks> !mainline
[20:18] <jeblad> The installation is done with the "mainline" gui app. Reason for testing other kernels is that the mainboard is rather new and has a custom i2c, and current kernel fail to read out the sensors.
[20:18] <EriC^> jeblad: you could try to disable secure boot to see if that's the case i think
[20:21] <jeblad> EriC^: Yes, it was my idea too, but it seems like I can't disable secure boot. I haven't seen that before, so could be I missed something. It has some kind of lax secure booting and a strict one.
[20:22] <ShaedS> oerheks: it's a linode
[20:24] <oerheks> Maybe an idea to contact them?
[20:24] <ShaedS> i'm not paying for a vpn through linode i'm hosting my own server running it on my machine for not a monthly fee
[20:27] <EriC^> jeblad: sometimes setting the bios admin password gives more settings, acer is known for that
[20:35] <jeblad> EriC^: I wonder whether it could be the NVIDIA driver that hangs, …  reading the page oerheks made ubottu link to. And yes oerheks, it is the repo I'm using.
[20:38] <EriC^> jeblad: anything in /var/log/syslog ?
[20:50] <OrcD3vil> trying to make a clamav cron job, if I put a bash script in /etc/cron.daily and chmod +x will it auto run daily or do I ahve to use the crontab command to add it?
[20:52] <leftyfb> OrcD3vil: just install clamav-daemo
[20:52] <leftyfb> clamav-daemon*
[20:52] <OrcD3vil> I have it install
[20:52] <leftyfb> OrcD3vil: that should supply you with a proper systemd service file
[20:52] <leftyfb> OrcD3vil: sudo systemctl start clamav-daemon
[20:53] <OrcD3vil> leftyfb what i'm trying to do is exlude /storage from running daily and only scan it weekly
[20:53] <OrcD3vil> since its my file server with 16TB I figure that might be a little much wear/tear for all the movies/tv shows/etc ?
[20:54] <OrcD3vil> so I was reading a article to make a file and do clamscan -r --exclude, and another was saying to place the file in the cron.daily folder.  What would be the best way
[20:54] <leftyfb> OrcD3vil: https://omarine.org/blog/using-systemd-timer/
[20:55] <OrcD3vil> thnx will look at it
[21:19] <jeblad> The problem wasn't the kernel, but the NVIDIA driver. Changed to Xorg and it started the boot process, but then it ran into problems due to ZFS filesystem. That is the zfs-dkms problem.
[21:21] <jeblad> Perhaps I'll install 23.04 on another disk to check whether the sensors work as expec ted.
[21:21] <ShaedS> https://pastebin.com/kjqt8PnP how do ia dd the rout for openvpn
[21:23] <jeblad> Thanks to  EriC^, oerheks, and ubottu!
[21:23] <leftyfb> jeblad: 23.04 won't be released or supported for another 1.5 months
[21:24] <jeblad> I know.
[21:24] <leftyfb> !mainline | jeblad you could try the mainline kernels
[21:24] <leftyfb> ^^ that's really the only different you're going to see with 23.04 as opposed to what you're running now and the issues you're seeing
[21:25] <jeblad> leftyfb: Scroll back.
[21:28] <OrcD3vil> lefty using that systemd article you gave me, does it create a logfile and if so where?
[21:36] <OrcD3vil> lefty found it journalctl -u systemd.name
[21:52] <leo_cuyar> hi
[22:09] <prodigy> hello
[22:11] <lodprodigy> how r u all
[22:21] <krytarik> lodprodigy: If you are looking for casual non-support chat, there is #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:32] <howudodat> I mount a smb drive in the .profile using gio mount smb://192.168.10.10/Data Nautilus shows it nicely in the left panel, however some applications in their file dialogs dont.  Is there a way I can make a nice shortcut on their desktop for the mount?
[22:33] <howudodat> this is for a server running xRDP
[22:38] <howudodat> ok, I can add this to .profile ==>  ln -s /run/user/$UID/gvfs/smb-share\:server\=192.168.10.10\,share\=binarydata/ ~/Desktop/BinaryData
[22:39] <_schism_> Good evening all
[22:40] <_schism_> Need a bit of help because I am stuck on stupid. I have been trying to create a live usb to auto install ubuntu on a machine with no monitor. I can't get it to work.  Anyone know of an iso I can get to do it?
[22:41] <leftyfb> howudodat: https://rayagainstthemachine.net/linux%20administration/systemd-automount/
[22:42] <leftyfb> _schism_: https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/autoinstall
[22:43] <_schism_> thanks @leftyfb I have been following that guide for the last couple of hours and keep coming up full of fail......
[22:43] <leftyfb> _schism_: you're going to need to provide more context, error messages(using pastebin) and or logs than that
[22:44] <leftyfb> (or screenshots)
[22:45] <_schism_> @leftyfb Sorry should have explained better, my aplogies. I can create it however the machine never seems to boot into anything. Can't ssh into it or even get an ssh login prompt. I was hoping someone had an iso they knew was good to see just exactly how full of fail I am.
[22:46] <leftyfb> _schism_: you really need to get a screen or some other out of band solution (idrac, ilo, ipmi, etc) on it do to any troubleshooting.
[22:47] <leftyfb> _schism_: we have no way of knowing what your computer is or isn't doing. It might not even be POST'ing for all we know
[22:48] <_schism_> @leftyfb Yeah I know.  Stupid blade and the rs232 port on it is busted so I can't use a local terminal.  If I put the old windoze drive back in it it will boot and I can get into it. I know the drive I am using is good because I can use it on this machine.  I can't do things the easy way, wouldn't be any fun.
[22:49] <leftyfb> _schism_: good luck. Let us know when you get to the part where you are running ubuntu and need help
[22:50] <_schism_> @leftfb Will do. I appreciate the link.
[23:05] <_schism_> @leftyfb I found this and am going to give it a shot  https://fai-project.org/
[23:07] <meingtsla> Is there a known issue with the torrents for 22.04.2? I'm getting "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker." for the torrents for ubuntu-22.04.2-live-server-amd64.iso and ubuntu-22.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso.
[23:13] <rfm> meingtsla, it still seems to be working fine in my transmission server (but I added the .torrent yesterday and perhaps it's gotten damaged since, but seems unlikely
[23:16] <jhutchins> meingtsla: What tracker are you using?  You're not on TOR are you?
[23:17] <meingtsla> No to Tor.  https://torrent.ubuntu.com/announce, https://ipv6.torrent.ubuntu.com/announce
[23:25] <meingtsla> Curiously there are no 22.04.2 torrents listed at https://torrent.ubuntu.com/tracker_index, only 22.04.1
[23:34] <ravage> https://releases.ubuntu.com/22.04/ubuntu-22.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent works fine here
[23:36] <cobraeriko> Is there any reason I can't simply rsync all my ssh keys from old drive (that had Ubuntu installed) to my new drive (that has Ubuntu installed) so that after then all the old key would work on my new drive? (I would do rsync -axHAWXS)
[23:40] <cobraeriko> (this is the command I would use to copy the keys rsync -axHAWXS /media/erik/079cc3b2-01dc-4ca1-8377-64dae9679a3b/home/erik/.ssh/ ~/.ssh)
[23:40] <ravage> all you really need is rsync -av
[23:41] <ravage> if the user ids are the same it should just work
[23:41] <cobraeriko> ravage: ok thanks a lot
[23:44] <leftyfb> cobraeriko: to be clear, the user id's are to match up the permissions rsync will assign to the copies. ssh keys don't care about users
[23:54] <cobraeriko> leftyfb: Sorry, a little confused. Are you saying the permissions assigned the keys on the old drive might not necessarily match those assigned the user who owns the copies on the new drive, so I need to make sure the copied keys have the right permissions afforded the user who owns them on the new drive?
[23:55] <leftyfb> codedmart: the permissions will be the same, the ownership will be different if your UID's for the users don't match. You'll just have to update those on the destination after. Again, this has nothing to do with ssh key, just file permissions in general