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=== alkisg1 is now known as alkisg
[18:32] <aaronprisk[m]> Hey MATE folks, our testing week begins next week and I want to make sure we're supplying the community with the best resources to help out the flavours. Are there any MATE specific testing announcements or resources you'd like us to include in our postings?
[18:39] <superkuh> Yeah, the gtk3 libary MATE uses for things like File-Open dialogs is a bit buggy. I'd like to see you test trying to paste a file path into a file open dialog in pluma, or any other mate application.
[18:40] <superkuh> It'll error out.
[18:40] <superkuh> Because gsettings are no longer respected by gtk3 which MATE uses for org.gtk.Settings.FileChooser location-mode
[18:41] <superkuh> It's impossible in MATE to have MATE applications open up with the filename entry bar showing to paste into.
[18:41] <superkuh> Well, at least modern MATE.
[18:41] <superkuh> Back before ~2015 gtk3 wasn't broken.
[18:41] <superkuh> So MATE 1.8.2 is just fine.
[18:42] <superkuh> While MATE 1.24.1 is broken.
[18:43] <superkuh> I know that's not what you meant, and I'm not associated with Ubuntu MATE, but it's something MATE as a whole really needs to address.
[18:44] <aaronprisk[m]> Do you know if this issue is documented in a testing announcement or post anywhere? I didn't see any test cases in the MATE iso tracker: 
[18:44] <aaronprisk[m]> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/441/builds/272381/testcases
[18:45] <superkuh> It was all over the gtk3 issue tracker for about 8 years. And mcclassen and the other devs just say it's frozen, gtkfilechooserwidget.c is too spaghetti and to use gtk4 where it's fixed.
[18:46] <superkuh> I'm sure I sent it to ubuntu mate's bug tracker here some time... I'll find it.
[18:47] <superkuh> https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/938 https://old.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/7579w0/gsettings_value_getting_overwritten_after_setting/ https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=788700 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/2985
[18:48] <superkuh> I think the Ubuntu MATE bug was closed wont-fix because it was a gtk3 issue.
[18:48] <superkuh> But at this point it's clear GNOME wont-fix either so a workaround at the application level gtk would be nice.
[18:49] <superkuh> It's really easy to replicate. Just get a filepath in your clipboard, open pluma, file->open and paste.
[18:50] <superkuh> http://erewhon.superkuh.com/gtkfilechooserwidget-paste-fail.jpg
[18:56] <aaronprisk[m]> I see. Is this issue part of a greater Ubuntu MATE Testing Week post or just an isolated bug? I ask because we're looking to provide a single link in our post for each flavour's QA Announcement if they have one. 
[18:58] <superkuh> An isolated bug that effects MATE because MATE continues to use gtk3. This is a bug that GNOME developers, Ubuntu developers, and MATE developers have known about for almost 10 years but each says it's the other's responsibility to fix.
[18:59] <superkuh> Since a MATE gtk4 port is not coming a per-MATE application level fix is needed. Like modifying pluma/nautilus/etc individually.
[18:59] <superkuh> That could happen at the MATE level or the Ubuntu MATE level.
[19:01] <superkuh> But if anyone can convince Ubuntu MATE maybe they can actually tackle fixing gtkfilechooserwidget.c in the ubuntu gtk3. But that'd be a kind of divergence from upstream very unlikely for a major lib.
[19:02] <superkuh> Probably outside of the context of MATE Testing Week. But I take every chance I can to bring it up.
[20:35] <alkisg> aaronprisk: afaik #ubuntu-mate has lost its official status some time ago, and the main devs are now on discord
[20:35] <aaronprisk[m]> alkisg: Got it. Thank you for the heads up. 
[20:35] <alkisg> 👍️