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slyonI'll only be passively attending today's MIR meeting, as I got dragged into a conflicting meeting15:29
cpaelzerI know how that is ...15:29
* cpaelzer hugs slyon15:29
cpaelzer#startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status15:29
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cpaelzerPing for MIR meeting - didrocks joalif slyon sarnold cpaelzer jamespage eslerm15:29
slyon(but I think most foundations stuff should be covered, I left comments where needed)15:30
eslermgood morning o/15:30
cpaelzerhi, giving everyone a minute or two for everyone to see th eping15:30
cpaelzerhi eslerm and slyon15:30
cpaelzerok, let me get going ...15:33
cpaelzer#topic current component mismatches15:33
cpaelzerMission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams15:33
cpaelzer#link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg15:33
cpaelzer#link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg15:33
cpaelzerwe are past FF, so hopefully that is the last huge list15:33
cpaelzerinetutils is a false positive ont he bug of slyon that tracks those15:34
cpaelzerbut since it was gone and shows up again, I wonder if we can do something about it15:34
cpaelzeror if someone accidentially promoted something wrong15:34
cpaelzerperl tihngs are assigned already15:35
cpaelzeruh slyon, in that csae let me remove it from bug 198066315:35
sarnoldgood morning15:35
cpaelzernow it will find the right bug15:36
cpaelzermaybe sarnold or eslerm can clarify https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdp-tools/+bug/200210315:36
eslermjust a note, the component mismatches svg is difficult to read with color blindness (protanopia and deuteranopia)15:36
cpaelzereslerm: patches welcome15:36
cpaelzerwhile you look into that - python-oslo has got bugs filed for their dependencies by jamespage and team - I guess those are under control15:37
cpaelzerpython-yappi seems not yet covered there15:37
didrocksopenstack dep?15:38
cpaelzeroh crap, I didn't see ndctl yet15:38
cpaelzerdidrocks: yes yappi seems openstack (from python-oslo)15:38
sarnoldcpaelzer: xdp-tools looks ready to migrate to main15:38
cpaelzerthanks sarnold15:38
cpaelzerI filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libtracefs/+bug/2008799 for ndctl15:40
sarnold(obligatory thinking aloud that a tracking process like the kernel team sru workflow with entries for each step might be easier to read, eg https://bugs.launchpad.net/kernel-sru-workflow/+bug/1968954  :)15:40
cpaelzerindeed, worth a look15:41
cpaelzercould be complex though as this will transition differently per bug task15:41
cpaelzerif a case has multiple packages affected, they will be in different states15:41
cpaelzerI'll promote xdp-tools after the meeting15:43
sarnoldman, inetutils .. that's a blast from the past. oof.15:43
cpaelzerok, all in mismatches have open cases now15:43
cpaelzernone forgotten15:43
cpaelzernext section of the meeting15:43
cpaelzer#topic New MIRs15:43
cpaelzerMission: ensure to assign all incoming reviews for fast processing15:44
cpaelzer#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir15:44
cpaelzeroh wow15:44
cpaelzerI could take the perl ones15:44
cpaelzerthey are usually rather mechanical, so I can better do them in between meetings15:44
didrocksI can take 1 or 2, but it will be for next pulse (already full for this one)15:44
joalifsome are false positives i think15:44
cpaelzerlooking for reviewers of nullboot and mini-iso-tools15:44
sarnoldnullboot is likely in the wrong spot in the flowchart15:44
cpaelzerjoalif: which ones do you tihnk are false positives?15:45
joalifi had done the review of it15:46
cpaelzeroh yeah that just ended in an odd state15:46
cpaelzerit is acked15:46
cpaelzerand not in mismatches15:46
cpaelzerjoalif: was yours an ack as well?15:47
cpaelzerreading ...15:47
joalifyes iirc15:47
joalifwas waiting for sec review15:47
cpaelzerthanks, status updated15:47
didrocks(it would have been good to have an update on the recommended todo though)15:48
eslermnullboot has security's ack15:48
cpaelzerack didrocks, I asked for it15:48
cpaelzerok in that case mini-iso-tools to grab15:49
didrocksif this can wait early next pulse, I’m happy to grab it15:49
cpaelzermaybe license-perl at lower urgency for didrocks then?15:49
cpaelzerthose are usually not as pushy15:49
didrocksas you prefer :)15:49
cpaelzerjoalif: would you be up to have a look at the mini-iso-tools ?15:50
cpaelzerthereby all new cases are assigned15:50
cpaelzer#topic Incomplete bugs / questions15:50
cpaelzerMission: Identify required actions and spread the load among the teams15:50
cpaelzer#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir15:50
cpaelzerinetutils isn't ready yet15:51
cpaelzerbug 2003549 waits for an FFE approval15:51
cpaelzerother than that is mostly ready as prepared by athos15:51
cpaelzerbug 2004516 waits on things and was assigned someone to work on (no action from us)15:52
cpaelzerbug 1997560 also went back and is now assigne to desktop to resolve15:52
cpaelzerand 2003272 is back on till15:52
cpaelzerok all in incomplete have an owner15:52
cpaelzergood for now I'd think15:53
cpaelzer#topic MIR related Security Review Queue15:53
cpaelzerMission: Check on progress, do deadlines seem doable?15:53
cpaelzer#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/+bugs?field.searchtext=%5BMIR%5D&assignee_option=choose&field.assignee=ubuntu-security&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir15:53
cpaelzerInternal link15:53
cpaelzer- ensure your teams items are prioritized among each other as you'd expect15:53
cpaelzer- ensure community requests do not get stomped by teams calling for favors too much15:53
cpaelzer#link https://warthogs.atlassian.net/jira/software/c/projects/SEC/boards/59415:53
cpaelzerthank you @ extended security team for all the completions recently15:53
cpaelzerfrom my teams POV puma is the only one not yet assigned but rather urgent15:53
cpaelzerI see the face of alexm on the ticket15:54
cpaelzerbut not "in progress"15:54
cpaelzerdoes this fit together sarnold eslerm ?15:54
eslermI'm working on pcs this week and puma is assigned, should be complete with time to FFe15:54
eslermif puma needs extra help I can assist15:54
cpaelzerpuma - as you know - is the last bit of a big change15:55
cpaelzerhence we'd appreaciate to not come uin much later15:55
cpaelzersince we will make pacemaker switch crmsh -> pcsd15:55
sarnoldaye, unfortunately amurray is also our primary snapd contact, another high-priority and high-importance demand on our resources; it might make sense to ask eslerm to pick it up if amurray hasn't started yet15:55
cpaelzernot rushing you but like until today in a week as the latest ?15:55
sarnoldwe can discuss with amurray when his day starts15:56
cpaelzeryou can internally check if there has been progress made, I'd not want to be the reason to step on each others toes15:56
cpaelzerthanks sarnold15:56
cpaelzerbtw I had to smile on "with time to FFe" eslerm, as that would be -5 back in time from now on15:56
sarnoldyeah :/ trying to fast-context-switch stuff in progress is definintely an exhausting step :)15:56
cpaelzerbut time is almost up and the rest looks good15:57
cpaelzer#topic Any other business?15:57
cpaelzernot from me15:57
eslermshould be doable to take puma, but need to run past my workload with aburrage15:57
didrocksnothing from me15:57
sarnoldheh, aburrage is out all this week. :/ anyway, I'll talk with amurray in a few hours15:57
sarnoldnothing from me15:57
eslermnone from me15:57
cpaelzerbeing out means he won't say no :-)15:58
cpaelzerthank you all!15:58
meetingologyMeeting ended at 15:58:13 UTC.  Minutes at https://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2023/ubuntu-meeting.2023-02-28-15.29.moin.txt15:58
sarnoldlol :D15:58
sarnoldthanks cpaelzer, all :)15:58
eslermthanks cpaelzer, bye all o/15:58
joalifthanks cpaelzer, all :)15:58
* vorlon waves19:57
* sil2100 semi-present as he is sick and therefore probably not too helpful19:59
rbasak#startmeeting Technical Board20:00
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rbasak#topic Action review20:01
rbasakACTION: amurray to propose amended Ubuntu Backporters Team Charter20:01
amurrayI am still waiting to hear back from the backports team on this - they essentially rejected my proposal so I tried to explain more about it to see if I could get them on board - but still waiting20:02
rbasakOK, thanks!20:02
rbasakACTION: seb128 to help draft an exception to the "must build on all architectures" requirement for snaps20:02
vorlondo they have a deadline for feedback?20:02
amurrayno - that is a good point- I'll follow up on it again today20:02
vorlonseb128 not here, so punt?20:03
rbasakACTION: seb128/amurray/sil200 to help drafting the snap-store Ubuntu-specific tracks usage20:03
amurrayapologies I haven't had a chance to look at that properly - can we carry over?20:04
rbasakACTION: rbasak to raise any on-going blockers with third-party seeded snap security policy20:04
rbasakThe above two, and waiting on me to get back from leave to finish off the draft I think.20:04
rbasakACTION: sil2100 to start a draft summarizing the OEM archive portion of the meeting which x-nox and TB will review, edit, and ratify before we move on to figuring out the next step20:04
rbasakI guess he's half elsewhere so I'll move on20:05
rbasakACTION: rbasak to draft a proposal of the DMB-proposed inactivity expiration policy for TB ratification20:05
rbasakStill pending. I'll carry.20:05
rbasakACTION: rbasak to create initial bugs against the LP techboard project to track third party repo and DMB expiration policies20:06
rbasakAgain, pending on my return from leave. I'll carry20:06
rbasak#topic Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed (standing item)20:06
rbasakI don't see anything not already being addressed.20:07
rbasak#topic Check up on community bugs (standing item)20:07
rbasakThere are currently no open bugs.20:07
rbasak#info There are currently no open bugs.20:07
rbasak#topic Select a chair for the next meeting (next from https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members)20:07
vorlonshort and sweet :)20:08
vorlonI believe I'm next20:08
vorlonwith sil2100 as backup20:08
rbasakGreat, thanks!20:08
rbasak#info vorlon next, with sil2100 as backup20:08
rbasak#topic AOB20:08
amurraynothing from me20:08
rbasakI was going to ask about telegram-desktop, but I think that's sorted for now, and information is on the ubuntu-devel@ ML if anyone would like to catch up.20:09
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rbasakThanks all!20:09
amurraythanks for the swift meeting rbasak20:09
vorlonseb128 seemed to have a view on telegram-desktop that differed from my own/rbasak's and I'm not sure we've converged, but he's not here so20:09
vorlonI do have questions about whether sabdfl's particular views here contradicted our draft snap policy20:10
rbasakI think seb128 did say (to me privately) that he was interested in doing the explicit opt-in transitional thing20:10
vorlonanyway I removed the package that was there, which I think we agree was wrong; and I'd prefer framework for this in ubuntu-release-upgrader rather than per-package stuff20:11
rbasakMy interpretion of sabdfl's email was that it makes sense to have a transitional mechanism in ubuntu-release-upgrader that isn't debconf, but is explicit user opt-in, for any deb that is going away for which a snap is recommended instead.20:11
rbasakI think that would be fine, but would need specific feature work in ubuntu-release-upgrader from I guess the desktop team?20:11
rbasak(and I agree that a dedicated UI for desktop users would be far better than a debconf prompt at preinst time)20:12
rbasakNothing further to discuss for now then I guess anyway? seb128 might want to reply when he sees this.20:13
vorlonI think it's reasonable to ask the Foundations Team to take that on as maintainers of the package (but no one has actually asked yet)20:13
vorlonseb128 isn't on channel20:13
rbasakI think sabdfl asked? :-)20:13
vorlonnot explicitly ;)20:14
sil2100Apologies, wandered off an dozed off on the couch!20:14
vorlonI'll poke it into the Foundations backlog20:14
vorlonsil2100: you're sick, don't apologize and go rest :P20:14
rbasakIf it happens it'd be a nice bit of polish to add to the future ratification of the third party repo requirements policy. Generally sorting out consistent behaviour and expectations for deb to snap transitions would be great for everyone I think.20:15
* vorlon nods20:15
* amurray agrees20:15
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