 I don't have a kubuntu install or vm installed but does anyone have the new home screen loading on discover on lunar
 i can try in a bit, i'm downloading Lubuntu Lunar as part of my testbed for some tools I need to test for backports team anyways in Lunar (and i'm a lazy ass so i want to use a GUI XD)
 eh I may try kubuntu with this to see if it is working there when making a bug report as that seems useful info but don't actually have an install
 looks to me like it just sits on "Loading" for the Home tab of Discover (re @lynorian: I don't have a kubuntu install or vm installed but does anyone have the new home screen loading on discover on lunar)
 same in both my bare metal machine and my vm
 ye mine's in KVM so :P
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-discover/+bug/2008968 filed a bug about it
[03:09] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2008968 in plasma-discover (Ubuntu) "discover home never loads" [Undecided, New]
[03:35] <arraybolt3> I just noticed that Lubuntu's upgrader no longer has byte counts during downloads of packages in Lunar. Is this a regression ,or was the byte count feature removed?
[03:35] <arraybolt3> (Personally I don't care much about it being gone, but if it's a regression we should probably fix that.)
[05:42] <guiverc> @lynorian, I think I saw a kubuntu user report that recently (this morning? last night? my local time anyway) but sorry I didn't pay much attention as was busy on other things  (re: plasma discover... but it's failing to load for me here too it appears)
 cant you try reinstalling the previous version? (re @lynorian: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-discover/+bug/2008968 filed a bug about it)
[05:50] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2008968 in plasma-discover (Ubuntu) "discover home never loads" [Undecided, Confirmed]
 i.e. the 5.27.1 debs from: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-discover/5.27.1-0ubuntu1/+build/25621275
[06:11] <guiverc> @RikMills, if I `sudo apt install ./plasma-discover_5.27.1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb ./plasma-discover-common_5.27.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb` then i get normal actions from plasma-discover
[06:12]  * guiverc those were `wget` from the link you provided...
 Git bisect time perhaps then
 1st bad commit is: https://invent.kde.org/plasma/discover/-/commit/5dadd14ff12b8a6afae2c557d5948c5c66e1898c
[14:11] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Commit 5dadd14 in plasma/discover "pk: Fix searching by state"
[17:03] <arraybolt3> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm-qt/+bug/1998528 I think this is probably the most critical bug we have to fix before 23.04's release.
[17:03] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1998528 in pcmanfm-qt (Ubuntu) "Garbled text in the Slide Show tab of the Desktop Preferences window" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[17:03] <arraybolt3> I'm currently trying to isolate it to see if it's a Lubuntu-specific problem or an LXQt bug.
 "Launchpad bug 1998528 in pcmanfm..." <- What about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1795278 --??
[17:20] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1998528 in pcmanfm-qt (Ubuntu) "Garbled text in the Slide Show tab of the Desktop Preferences window" [Undecided, Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1998528
[17:20] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 1795278 in software-properties (Ubuntu Kinetic) "software-properties-{qt,kde} attempts to use KUrl but it doesn't exist" [Undecided, Triaged]
[17:21] <arraybolt3> LeoK[m]: That one also needs fixing, I'll try and look into it. Personally, it's been there a while and so I don't think it's as important, whereas the one I'm on now is a regression. But we still should fix long-lingering bugs.
[17:21] <arraybolt3> I guess the other one is probably also a regression.
[17:31] <arraybolt3> OK so the slide show tab bug is local to Lubuntu. Happens in both a Lubuntu and LXQt Desktop session, but it doesn't happen in Debian.
[17:31] <arraybolt3> *Debian Sid to be more specific
[17:32] <arraybolt3> Hmm... this might be a theme problem...
[17:33] <arraybolt3> Huh, nope, doesn't happen even with the Breeze theme.
[17:33] <arraybolt3> Alright, mystery to be solved.
[17:48] <arraybolt3> I found it, pretty sure. The Lubuntu Manual addition is confusing it.
[17:51] <arraybolt3> Which makes sense of why there's a weird icon and whatnot. Probably something just isn't quite working right with the UI.
[18:57] <teward> arraybolt3: i have something i'd like you to test as well
[18:58] <arraybolt3> Yes?
[18:58] <teward> nevermind it's been tested already missed Rik's input on the testing :P
[18:58] <teward> arraybolt3: send coffee pls
[18:58]  * arraybolt3 sends concrete truck full of espresso to teward's current location
[19:24] <RikMills> oddly debian kde devs say this discover bug is not affecting 5.27.2 in unstable
[19:24] <RikMills> one dev anyway
 do we need me to install KDE Debian unstable and test something?
[19:28] <RikMills> might be helpful
 give me a bit to download the testing iso, set up, then point @ Unstable
 and send me the link to any relevant Debian bug or tracked bug so I can put results there
[19:43] <RikMills> there is no debian bug as yet as they said they could not reproduce
[19:44] <RikMills> ours is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-discover/+bug/2008968
[19:44] -ubottu:#lubuntu-devel- Launchpad bug 2008968 in plasma-discover (Ubuntu) "discover home never loads" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[19:52] <teward> RikMills: ack, i think i have that.  i'll let you know what I find in Debian
[19:59] <teward> currently deploying Debian Stable to system first, netinst is slower than i'd like but meh
[20:06] <teward> RikMills: KDE Plasma I assume is the Debian option
[20:43] <teward> switching from stable to unstable and pulling in all the packages (tons!)
[20:53] <arraybolt3> teward: I just install the base system, point it to unstable, upgrade, then install the DE, in case that's helpful.
[21:01] <teward> nope already way past that ;)
[21:17] <Eickmeyer> Just a little feedback: Just tried a Studio install using yesterday's daily, no issues.
[21:17] <Eickmeyer> I'll have to adjust a few colors due to a theming update on our end, but nbd.
[22:08] <teward> RikMills: stable -> unstable upgrade in progress, lots of crap to install (only 35% complete on upgrades, I got a late start 'cause i had to go to the podiatrist for a routine appt.)
[22:12] <teward> VM reboot in progress
[22:13] <teward> RikMills: confirmed that the issue does **NOT** appear in Debian KDE
[22:14] <teward> I'd test LXQt but I think it's identical so.
[22:20] <RikMills> puzzling
[22:20] <teward> *checks something in Debian*
[22:21] <teward> no i was wondering whether they had an extra patch to fix something in -1 but no they didn't
[22:21] <teward> so yeah it sounds like it's specific to here,.
[22:22] <RikMills> the kde commit I bisected is packagekit related, but we have the same version of that is unstable :/
[22:22] <RikMills> as unstable
[22:23] <RikMills> if I revert the commit on top of 5.27.2, it works
[22:24] <teward> are you sure we're 100% identical packagekit version?
[22:24] <teward> and no special configs, etc. in Lubuntu/Kubuntu that differ from Debian?
[22:24] <RikMills> yep. checked that eariler. direct sync
[22:24] <teward> just trying to figure potential problem causers
[22:25] <RikMills> we recommend the snap backend, that is about all
[22:25] <arraybolt3> teward: try installing Snap and the backend on Debian and see what happens?
[22:26] <RikMills>   * Merge from Debian unstable. Remaining changes:
[22:26] <RikMills>     - Kubuntu Vcs and maintainer fields.
[22:26] <RikMills>     - Depend on xdg-desktop-portal-kde, and snapd for snap backend.
[22:26] <RikMills>     - Recommend the snap backend and software-properties-qt
[22:29] <teward> do you have runtime stderr output for plasma-discover or do you need that?
[22:29] <teward> 'cause i found some "Unknown transaction property" errors
[22:30] <teward> (Lubuntu)
[22:30] <teward> (I'm rebuilding Debian 'cause i just reused the VM disk for Lubuntu)
[22:30] <teward> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/bgsNqmvm7y/
[22:32] <teward> RikMills: arraybolt3: ^^
[22:32]  * arraybolt3 looks
[22:32] <RikMills> those "Unknown transaction property" errors seem to occur just the same in the not broken 5.27.1
[22:32] <teward> anything else in there that does *not* show in 5.27.1?
[22:32] <teward> i see a "could not find backend" error
[22:32] <arraybolt3> Yeah I have no idea what I'm looking at :P I'm fighting with a UI bug in PCManFM-Qt right now.
[22:34] <teward> *sends arraybolt3 down into PCManFM Hell*
[22:34] <arraybolt3> Anyway, if the only real difference is Snap, I'd bring Snap into the picture. One time I had an XScreenSaver bug (which I'm still fighting with!) where the Preview button breaks if an entirely unrelated config file field isn't filled in.
[22:34] <teward> i'll need to know which snap(s) to install to make that work in Debian then
[22:34] <teward> installing snapd is easy 
[22:34] <teward> but making sure that i have what we need is, well, important :p
[22:35] <teward> once i reinstall Debian i mean
[22:35] <teward> *now has the Lubuntu and Debian VMs side by side*
[22:37] <RikMills> I don't see anything obviously different
[22:38] <teward> RikMills: do you know which components I need to install / remove to make it try the snap backend?
[22:38] <teward> other than snapd of course
[22:39] <RikMills> plasma-discover-backend-snap
[22:40] <teward> should I also remove plasma-discover-backend-* as well?
[22:41] <RikMills> if they are not default in debian I guess so
[22:41] <RikMills> I may have to head to KDE land and pester the discover dev ;)
[22:41] <teward> lol
[22:45] <RikMills> got to go for a bit.....
[22:54] <teward> lol guess who did a derp during the debian setup xD
[22:54]  * teward forgot to tell it to install GRUB
[22:54] <teward> thank you Debian netinst for a rescue mode for GRUB reinstall
[22:54] <arraybolt3> Heh, now's a great time to install SYSLINUX instead.
[23:14] <arraybolt3> Har HAR! I think I finally see it!
[23:14] <arraybolt3> Been chasing down why the Lubuntu Manual checkbox isn't behaving itself for like way too long, and I think I finally see it.
[23:14] <arraybolt3> Anyway, expect a PCManFM-Qt update in Lunar before the day is over.
[23:15] <arraybolt3> Also remind me to make backups of my source directory when I don't have Git to bail me out.
[23:18]  * arraybolt3 thwaps tsimonq2 for making me have to reverse-engineer the LXQt desktop :P
[23:29] <arraybolt3> Yay, total success.
[23:30] <arraybolt3> Time to package.