| lotuspsychje | good morning | 02:54 |
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| === gry_ is now known as gry | ||
| tomreyn | for a good enough desktop computer cloud + local disk backup tool for non technical folks, with a web UI or GUI, what would you suggest? | 21:51 |
| tomreyn | so far i was suggesting duplicati, but this hasn't seen a new commit for half a year and the website still says youcan choose between "beta" and unsupported legacy release | 21:53 |
| tomreyn | right now i'm considering bor backup + vorta gui | 21:53 |
| tomreyn | *borG | 21:53 |
| tomreyn | encrypted incremental / versioned remote backups would be my requirements | 21:56 |
| sarnold | a pal mentioned using restic the other day https://github.com/restic/restic | 22:03 |
| ravage | i use borg+vorta on some ubuntu desktops at work | 22:05 |
| ravage | so far they run fine automatically and we already did a successful restore too | 22:06 |
| tomreyn | thanks. ravage: that's really good to know, as i lack experience withthe GUI. sarnold: restic CLI, right? i think they have no GUI or web UI, though. | 22:26 |
| tomreyn | oh wait there is restic-browser | 22:27 |
| tomreyn | oh that can only browse existing and restore backups | 22:28 |
| tomreyn | hmm i guess that rules it out | 22:29 |
| sarnold | yay back to one choice again :) | 22:31 |
| tomreyn | hehe | 22:31 |
| tomreyn | note how none of you mentioned djea dup | 22:31 |
| tomreyn | *deja dup | 22:31 |
| ravage | never used it really | 22:33 |
| ravage | and it states that it is not able to do system backups? | 22:33 |
| ravage | i never really never understood that tool | 22:33 |
| ravage | -never | 22:33 |
| arraybolt3 | tomreyn: I use Borg exclusively via the CLI, though I'm not doing a cloud backup, I just have everything on an SD card. | 22:34 |
| arraybolt3 | I also only back up my personal files, since the rest of the system I can afford to lose and just reinstall it. | 22:35 |
| ravage | same here | 22:35 |
| arraybolt3 | One assumes it would be easy enough to just save the Borg repo to the cloud though. | 22:35 |
| ravage | but i thought it would ne nice to have a GUI for the coworkers | 22:35 |
| tomreyn | SD card? are you into gambling? | 22:35 |
| sarnold | tomreyn: yeah :/ I don't know much about dejadup; I know it exists but don't know anyone who said they used it, etc | 22:35 |
| tomreyn | i also use borgbackup on a CLI, but, yes, i think i want a good enough backup tool with some form of a UI, for the less technical folks, too. | 22:38 |
| arraybolt3 | tomreyn: lol, it's a Samsung EVO SD card thank you very much! 512 GB. | 22:39 |
| tomreyn | dejadup is a frontent to duplicity which uses gpg for encryption. and is thus rather ineffective. | 22:39 |
| tomreyn | arraybolt3: oh you mean an SD card with the extra S and without the card | 22:40 |
| tomreyn | ah no i'm mistaken, there are samsung "evo" SDXC's, too | 22:40 |
| tomreyn | oof i wouldn'T want to use those for backups really, but if it works for you - good! | 22:41 |
| arraybolt3 | Yeah, it's a real SD card. Decent speed, and if it dies, it's just backups. | 22:41 |
| arraybolt3 | Plus I think Borg has integrity checking. | 22:41 |
| arraybolt3 | I don't exactly do frequent backups though. | 22:42 |
| arraybolt3 | And the amount of data I actually back up regularly is *tiny.* | 22:43 |
| tomreyn | so no frequent writes, that's gonna be good for the media ;) | 22:43 |
| tomreyn | although maybe you need to power those cells every so often so they don'T forget their state | 22:43 |
| tomreyn | i know too little about sdxc | 22:44 |
| tomreyn | i have reverse requirements on backups, though. speed is not that important, but they really should not fail | 22:45 |
| Jeremy31 | Put them on the cloud | 22:45 |
| arraybolt3 | I mean yeah I guess it is slightly risky, and I have a 12 TB EasyStore, so... | 22:45 |
| arraybolt3 | Jeremy31: Too expensive for me :P | 22:45 |
| arraybolt3 | Or, more appropriately, odd living situations + very frugal = don't want to do that | 22:46 |
| tomreyn | how much do you backup, arraybolt3 ? | 22:46 |
| arraybolt3 | Plus my upload speed can be awful. | 22:46 |
| arraybolt3 | tomreyn: Meh, can't remember atm, I think it was around 7 GB or less of actually important data. | 22:47 |
| tomreyn | i see. there are even free cloud storages for such amounts, i think | 22:47 |
| arraybolt3 | Really that would be almost free to back up to the cloud, but it would cost a bit, and that bit requires some way of paying for stuff online, and that is actually way trickier than one might think. | 22:47 |
| tomreyn | but yes, upload matters | 22:47 |
| arraybolt3 | At least at the moment. Hopefully it won't stay that way. | 22:47 |
| arraybolt3 | I could fit it in Google Drive but upload speed makes that not sound great. | 22:48 |
| arraybolt3 | So multiple factors = local only backup and I'm happy. | 22:48 |
| arraybolt3 | (The teeny tiny bit of actually hyper-critical data I have can't be backed up to the cloud anyway (encryption keys and 2FA devices)) | 22:49 |
| tomreyn | cool. so... thanks everyone for sharing experiences. | 22:51 |
| tomreyn | found another one! pika backup, a minimal gnome-shell frontend to borgbackup - https://apps.gnome.org/app/org.gnome.World.PikaBackup/ | 23:10 |
| ravage | oh that sounds nice | 23:12 |
| ravage | if the gui has the same features i will have a look at it too | 23:12 |
| ravage | vorta works but does not win any design price | 23:12 |
| ravage | oh oh. flatpak :D | 23:13 |
| tomreyn | and python. this software will last until the python 3->4 "migration". ;-) | 23:25 |
| tomreyn | https://github.com/flathub/org.gnome.World.PikaBackup | 23:25 |
| sarnold | if python doesn't remove features first, gnome will? :) | 23:26 |
| Eickmeyer | I think the lead dev of python announced there will never be a python 4. | 23:26 |
| tomreyn | oh, that reminds me of microsoft announcing windows 10 will be the last release ever | 23:27 |
| Eickmeyer | heh | 23:27 |
| tomreyn | https://github.com/sophie-h/pika-backup would be the proper repo | 23:27 |
| sarnold | no python 4 but wow python 5 is gonna blow your socks off | 23:27 |
| tomreyn | actually https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/pika-backup | 23:28 |
| Eickmeyer | XD | 23:28 |
| tomreyn | and it's rust, not python, i shall be punished | 23:29 |
| sarnold | oh if it's rust you want, there's rustic! like restic but rust! | 23:29 |
| sarnold | (it's actually still marked as a beta, and probably zero chance for a gui) | 23:29 |
| tomreyn | i can live with a rust gui | 23:30 |
| tomreyn | and borgbase looks like a nice cloud hosting offering for novices | 23:31 |
| tomreyn | a bit expensive but only after 10 GB | 23:32 |
| tomreyn | and they have graphs. | 23:32 |
| tomreyn | personally, i'll prefer rsync.net or hetzner | 23:32 |
| tomreyn | flatpak only is a bit meh... but... will work. | 23:33 |
| * arraybolt3 looks at rsync.net | 23:46 | |
| arraybolt3 | Whew, petabyte pricing?! Those guys must have some serious storage :P | 23:47 |
| arraybolt3 | Sheesh, that is cheap. | 23:47 |
| sarnold | heh, you could do two petabytes in one machine eg https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/top-loading-storage | 23:49 |
| arraybolt3 | rsync's website looks pretty simple, but fairly close enough to professional, like they put more effort into their datacenter than into their website. | 23:51 |
| * arraybolt3 bookmarks | 23:51 | |
| sarnold | yeah, they seem like they understand what folks on irc would want :) | 23:52 |
| arraybolt3 | In the event I have more bandwidth, they seem like exactly who I'd like to use. | 23:54 |
| arraybolt3 | Cheap, simple, Linux-centric. | 23:55 |
| tomreyn | sarnold: what a NAS-ty server | 23:56 |
| sarnold | lol | 23:56 |
| arraybolt3 | :P | 23:56 |
| tomreyn | "somewhere in those $U there's also a computer" | 23:57 |
| tomreyn | 4U | 23:57 |
| sarnold | add a few more sas hbas with external connections and you've got so many petabytes per rack with just the one computer :D | 23:58 |
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