[02:54] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[21:51] <tomreyn> for a good enough desktop computer cloud + local disk backup tool for non technical folks, with a web UI or GUI, what would you suggest?
[21:53] <tomreyn> so far i was suggesting duplicati, but this hasn't seen a new commit for half a year and the website still says youcan choose between "beta" and unsupported legacy release
[21:53] <tomreyn> right now i'm considering bor backup + vorta gui
[21:53] <tomreyn> *borG
[21:56] <tomreyn> encrypted incremental / versioned remote backups would be my requirements
[22:03] <sarnold> a pal mentioned using restic the other day https://github.com/restic/restic
[22:05] <ravage> i use borg+vorta on some ubuntu desktops at work
[22:06] <ravage> so far they run fine automatically and we already did a successful restore too
[22:26] <tomreyn> thanks. ravage: that's really good to know, as i lack experience withthe GUI. sarnold: restic CLI, right? i think they have no GUI or web UI, though.
[22:27] <tomreyn> oh wait there is restic-browser
[22:28] <tomreyn> oh that can only browse existing and restore backups
[22:29] <tomreyn> hmm i guess that rules it out
[22:31] <sarnold> yay back to one choice again :)
[22:31] <tomreyn> hehe
[22:31] <tomreyn> note how none of you mentioned djea dup
[22:31] <tomreyn> *deja dup
[22:33] <ravage> never used it really
[22:33] <ravage> and it states that it is not able to do system backups?
[22:33] <ravage> i never really never understood that tool
[22:33] <ravage> -never
[22:34] <arraybolt3> tomreyn: I use Borg exclusively via the CLI, though I'm not doing a cloud backup, I just have everything on an SD card.
[22:35] <arraybolt3> I also only back up my personal files, since the rest of the system I can afford to lose and just reinstall it.
[22:35] <ravage> same here
[22:35] <arraybolt3> One assumes it would be easy enough to just save the Borg repo to the cloud though.
[22:35] <ravage> but i thought it would ne nice to have a GUI for the coworkers
[22:35] <tomreyn> SD card? are you into gambling?
[22:35] <sarnold> tomreyn: yeah :/ I don't know much about dejadup; I know it exists but don't know anyone who said they used it, etc
[22:38] <tomreyn> i also use borgbackup on a CLI, but, yes, i think i want a good enough backup tool with some form of a UI, for the less technical folks, too.
[22:39] <arraybolt3> tomreyn: lol, it's a Samsung EVO SD card thank you very much! 512 GB.
[22:39] <tomreyn> dejadup is a frontent to duplicity which uses gpg for encryption. and is thus rather ineffective.
[22:40] <tomreyn> arraybolt3: oh you mean an SD card with the extra S and without the card
[22:40] <tomreyn> ah no i'm mistaken, there are samsung "evo" SDXC's, too
[22:41] <tomreyn> oof i wouldn'T want to use those for backups really, but if it works for you - good!
[22:41] <arraybolt3> Yeah, it's a real SD card. Decent speed, and if it dies, it's just backups.
[22:41] <arraybolt3> Plus I think Borg has integrity checking.
[22:42] <arraybolt3> I don't exactly do frequent backups though.
[22:43] <arraybolt3> And the amount of data I actually back up regularly is *tiny.*
[22:43] <tomreyn> so no frequent writes, that's gonna be good for the media ;)
[22:43] <tomreyn> although maybe you need to power those cells every so often so they don'T forget their state
[22:44] <tomreyn> i know too little about sdxc
[22:45] <tomreyn> i have reverse requirements on backups, though. speed is not that important, but they really should not fail
[22:45] <Jeremy31> Put them on the cloud
[22:45] <arraybolt3> I mean yeah I guess it is slightly risky, and I have a 12 TB EasyStore, so...
[22:45] <arraybolt3> Jeremy31: Too expensive for me :P
[22:46] <arraybolt3> Or, more appropriately, odd living situations + very frugal = don't want to do that
[22:46] <tomreyn> how much do you backup, arraybolt3 ?
[22:46] <arraybolt3> Plus my upload speed can be awful.
[22:47] <arraybolt3> tomreyn: Meh, can't remember atm, I think it was around 7 GB or less of actually important data.
[22:47] <tomreyn> i see. there are even free cloud storages for such amounts, i think
[22:47] <arraybolt3> Really that would be almost free to back up to the cloud, but it would cost a bit, and that bit requires some way of paying for stuff online, and that is actually way trickier than one might think.
[22:47] <tomreyn> but yes, upload matters
[22:47] <arraybolt3> At least at the moment. Hopefully it won't stay that way.
[22:48] <arraybolt3> I could fit it in Google Drive but upload speed makes that not sound great.
[22:48] <arraybolt3> So multiple factors = local only backup and I'm happy.
[22:49] <arraybolt3> (The teeny tiny bit of actually hyper-critical data I have can't be backed up to the cloud anyway (encryption keys and 2FA devices))
[22:51] <tomreyn> cool. so... thanks everyone for sharing experiences.
[23:10] <tomreyn> found another one! pika backup, a minimal gnome-shell frontend to borgbackup - https://apps.gnome.org/app/org.gnome.World.PikaBackup/
[23:12] <ravage> oh that sounds nice
[23:12] <ravage> if the gui has the same features i will have a look at it too
[23:12] <ravage> vorta works but does not win any design price
[23:13] <ravage> oh oh. flatpak :D
[23:25] <tomreyn> and python. this software will last until the python 3->4 "migration". ;-)
[23:25] <tomreyn> https://github.com/flathub/org.gnome.World.PikaBackup
[23:26] <sarnold> if python doesn't remove features first, gnome will? :)
[23:26] <Eickmeyer> I think the lead dev of python announced there will never be a python 4.
[23:27] <tomreyn> oh, that reminds me of microsoft announcing windows 10 will be the last release ever
[23:27] <Eickmeyer> heh
[23:27] <tomreyn> https://github.com/sophie-h/pika-backup would be the proper repo
[23:27] <sarnold> no python 4 but wow python 5 is gonna blow your socks off
[23:28] <tomreyn> actually https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/pika-backup
[23:28] <Eickmeyer> XD
[23:29] <tomreyn> and it's rust, not python, i shall be punished
[23:29] <sarnold> oh if it's rust you want, there's rustic! like restic but rust!
[23:29] <sarnold> (it's actually still marked as a beta, and probably zero chance for a gui)
[23:30] <tomreyn> i can live with a rust gui
[23:31] <tomreyn> and borgbase looks like a nice cloud hosting offering for novices
[23:32] <tomreyn> a bit expensive but only after 10 GB
[23:32] <tomreyn> and they have graphs.
[23:32] <tomreyn> personally, i'll prefer rsync.net or hetzner
[23:33] <tomreyn> flatpak only is a bit meh... but... will work.
[23:46]  * arraybolt3 looks at rsync.net
[23:47] <arraybolt3> Whew, petabyte pricing?! Those guys must have some serious storage :P
[23:47] <arraybolt3> Sheesh, that is cheap.
[23:49] <sarnold> heh, you could do two petabytes in one machine eg https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/top-loading-storage
[23:51] <arraybolt3> rsync's website looks pretty simple, but fairly close enough to professional, like they put more effort into their datacenter than into their website.
[23:51]  * arraybolt3 bookmarks
[23:52] <sarnold> yeah, they seem like they understand what folks on irc would want :)
[23:54] <arraybolt3> In the event I have more bandwidth, they seem like exactly who I'd like to use.
[23:55] <arraybolt3> Cheap, simple, Linux-centric.
[23:56] <tomreyn> sarnold: what a NAS-ty server
[23:56] <sarnold> lol
[23:56] <arraybolt3> :P
[23:57] <tomreyn> "somewhere in those $U there's also a computer"
[23:57] <tomreyn> 4U
[23:58] <sarnold> add a few more sas hbas with external connections and you've got so many petabytes per rack with just the one computer :D