[02:54] good morning === gry_ is now known as gry [21:51] for a good enough desktop computer cloud + local disk backup tool for non technical folks, with a web UI or GUI, what would you suggest? [21:53] so far i was suggesting duplicati, but this hasn't seen a new commit for half a year and the website still says youcan choose between "beta" and unsupported legacy release [21:53] right now i'm considering bor backup + vorta gui [21:53] *borG [21:56] encrypted incremental / versioned remote backups would be my requirements [22:03] a pal mentioned using restic the other day https://github.com/restic/restic [22:05] i use borg+vorta on some ubuntu desktops at work [22:06] so far they run fine automatically and we already did a successful restore too [22:26] thanks. ravage: that's really good to know, as i lack experience withthe GUI. sarnold: restic CLI, right? i think they have no GUI or web UI, though. [22:27] oh wait there is restic-browser [22:28] oh that can only browse existing and restore backups [22:29] hmm i guess that rules it out [22:31] yay back to one choice again :) [22:31] hehe [22:31] note how none of you mentioned djea dup [22:31] *deja dup [22:33] never used it really [22:33] and it states that it is not able to do system backups? [22:33] i never really never understood that tool [22:33] -never [22:34] tomreyn: I use Borg exclusively via the CLI, though I'm not doing a cloud backup, I just have everything on an SD card. [22:35] I also only back up my personal files, since the rest of the system I can afford to lose and just reinstall it. [22:35] same here [22:35] One assumes it would be easy enough to just save the Borg repo to the cloud though. [22:35] but i thought it would ne nice to have a GUI for the coworkers [22:35] SD card? are you into gambling? [22:35] tomreyn: yeah :/ I don't know much about dejadup; I know it exists but don't know anyone who said they used it, etc [22:38] i also use borgbackup on a CLI, but, yes, i think i want a good enough backup tool with some form of a UI, for the less technical folks, too. [22:39] tomreyn: lol, it's a Samsung EVO SD card thank you very much! 512 GB. [22:39] dejadup is a frontent to duplicity which uses gpg for encryption. and is thus rather ineffective. [22:40] arraybolt3: oh you mean an SD card with the extra S and without the card [22:40] ah no i'm mistaken, there are samsung "evo" SDXC's, too [22:41] oof i wouldn'T want to use those for backups really, but if it works for you - good! [22:41] Yeah, it's a real SD card. Decent speed, and if it dies, it's just backups. [22:41] Plus I think Borg has integrity checking. [22:42] I don't exactly do frequent backups though. [22:43] And the amount of data I actually back up regularly is *tiny.* [22:43] so no frequent writes, that's gonna be good for the media ;) [22:43] although maybe you need to power those cells every so often so they don'T forget their state [22:44] i know too little about sdxc [22:45] i have reverse requirements on backups, though. speed is not that important, but they really should not fail [22:45] Put them on the cloud [22:45] I mean yeah I guess it is slightly risky, and I have a 12 TB EasyStore, so... [22:45] Jeremy31: Too expensive for me :P [22:46] Or, more appropriately, odd living situations + very frugal = don't want to do that [22:46] how much do you backup, arraybolt3 ? [22:46] Plus my upload speed can be awful. [22:47] tomreyn: Meh, can't remember atm, I think it was around 7 GB or less of actually important data. [22:47] i see. there are even free cloud storages for such amounts, i think [22:47] Really that would be almost free to back up to the cloud, but it would cost a bit, and that bit requires some way of paying for stuff online, and that is actually way trickier than one might think. [22:47] but yes, upload matters [22:47] At least at the moment. Hopefully it won't stay that way. [22:48] I could fit it in Google Drive but upload speed makes that not sound great. [22:48] So multiple factors = local only backup and I'm happy. [22:49] (The teeny tiny bit of actually hyper-critical data I have can't be backed up to the cloud anyway (encryption keys and 2FA devices)) [22:51] cool. so... thanks everyone for sharing experiences. [23:10] found another one! pika backup, a minimal gnome-shell frontend to borgbackup - https://apps.gnome.org/app/org.gnome.World.PikaBackup/ [23:12] oh that sounds nice [23:12] if the gui has the same features i will have a look at it too [23:12] vorta works but does not win any design price [23:13] oh oh. flatpak :D [23:25] and python. this software will last until the python 3->4 "migration". ;-) [23:25] https://github.com/flathub/org.gnome.World.PikaBackup [23:26] if python doesn't remove features first, gnome will? :) [23:26] I think the lead dev of python announced there will never be a python 4. [23:27] oh, that reminds me of microsoft announcing windows 10 will be the last release ever [23:27] heh [23:27] https://github.com/sophie-h/pika-backup would be the proper repo [23:27] no python 4 but wow python 5 is gonna blow your socks off [23:28] actually https://gitlab.gnome.org/World/pika-backup [23:28] XD [23:29] and it's rust, not python, i shall be punished [23:29] oh if it's rust you want, there's rustic! like restic but rust! [23:29] (it's actually still marked as a beta, and probably zero chance for a gui) [23:30] i can live with a rust gui [23:31] and borgbase looks like a nice cloud hosting offering for novices [23:32] a bit expensive but only after 10 GB [23:32] and they have graphs. [23:32] personally, i'll prefer rsync.net or hetzner [23:33] flatpak only is a bit meh... but... will work. [23:46] * arraybolt3 looks at rsync.net [23:47] Whew, petabyte pricing?! Those guys must have some serious storage :P [23:47] Sheesh, that is cheap. [23:49] heh, you could do two petabytes in one machine eg https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/top-loading-storage [23:51] rsync's website looks pretty simple, but fairly close enough to professional, like they put more effort into their datacenter than into their website. [23:51] * arraybolt3 bookmarks [23:52] yeah, they seem like they understand what folks on irc would want :) [23:54] In the event I have more bandwidth, they seem like exactly who I'd like to use. [23:55] Cheap, simple, Linux-centric. [23:56] sarnold: what a NAS-ty server [23:56] lol [23:56] :P [23:57] "somewhere in those $U there's also a computer" [23:57] 4U [23:58] add a few more sas hbas with external connections and you've got so many petabytes per rack with just the one computer :D