[00:12] <Jim`> What's a snap store?
[00:17] <sarnold> Jim`: companies that want to set up device assertions in snaps can contract with canonical to run a snap store, where they can control which snaps are in the store, auto-connect interfaces, etc
[00:21] <StratSpirit> hey
[00:22] <Jim`> so my update is stuck on
[00:22] <Jim`> 2023-03-07T18:13:33-06:00 INFO Waiting for automatic snapd restart...
[00:22] <StratSpirit> is it possible to leave weechat running in a remote machine, while disconnecting the ssh session?
[00:22] <StratSpirit> something like nohup maybe?
[00:22] <Jim`> nah it's actually using the CPU
[00:22] <sarnold> StratSpirit: tmux or screen
[00:23] <StratSpirit> so, installing tmux in the remote machine
[00:23] <StratSpirit> Ill read about this. thanks you
[00:23] <sarnold> StratSpirit: I prefer tmux over screen largely because it uses ^B rather than ^A  :)
[00:24] <Jim`> it picked back up after like.. 15 mins
[00:24] <sarnold> I think the default colours are a bit brutal, https://termbin.com/xbbdu
[00:24] <sarnold> Jim`: oof
[00:25] <Jim`> sarnold: I'm getting the idea if I had downloaded adn burned the ISO, I'd be done with the upgrade by now manually
[00:25] <Jim`> but lost everything
[00:26] <sarnold> Jim`: heh, I'd rather spend twenty minutes or whatever doing the upgrade rather than a reinstall
[00:26] <Nullifi3d> Jim`: i did an upgrade a few weeks ago from 20.04 to 22.04 - didnt go well :(
[00:27] <Nullifi3d> ended up starting from scratch lol
[00:27] <Jim`> Nullifi3d: that's what I am doing
[00:27] <Jim`> Nullifi3d: oops,  20.04.1
[00:27] <Jim`> well same thing
[00:27] <Nullifi3d> i dont remember if it was that one or not
[00:28] <Nullifi3d> but i ended up having some weird issues with some services
[00:28] <Nullifi3d> also this was on a pi 4, so whatevs
[00:32] <Jim`> Nullifi3d: I'm thinking about moving all my machines over, TF2, Borderlands, etc all runs native now
[00:33] <Jim`> why should I be forced to have "TPM 2.0"
[00:36] <Nullifi3d> yeah my last fiasco gave me reason to move everything to containers that hadnt been already
[00:36] <Nullifi3d> so not an issue anymore
[00:50] <zachf> I'm trying to install Ubuntu Server on a 2018 Mac Mini (intel i3). I've disabled security and enabled booting from external media in the machine's startup options. I've downloaded Ubuntu Server 22.04.2 LTS and have imaged it to a USB flash drive (and to a USB SSD, and to a SD card, in separate attempts). When I choose that to boot to that flash drive (EFI Boot disk) on the Mac Mini, it goes dark, then boots to the apple logo, then
[00:50] <zachf>  displays the familiar multilingual "Your computer restarted because of a problem. Press a key or wait a few seconds to continue starting up" screen that appears after a kernel panic, and then it boots to macOS. It doesn't seem possible to successfully boot to the installer.
[00:50] <arraybolt3> That sounds like it's not reaching the Ubuntu ISO at all. That kernel panic message isn't present in Ubuntu.
[00:51] <arraybolt3> Is it possible that there are more than one EFI Boot Disk options or something similar?
[00:51] <zachf> I only saw one EFI Boot drive show up when I booted while holding the option key to get to the menu of startup disks
[00:52] <sarnold> how did you write the iso to the usb ssd?
[00:52] <zachf> I thought maybe it had a problem with my particular usb flash drive, which is why I also tried an SD card and an SSD
[00:53] <zachf> I wrote the iso image "ubuntu-22.04.2-live-server-amd64.iso" to the drive(s) using balenaEtcher v1.5.113 on an M1 mac studio
[00:55] <sarnold> maybe try again with dd? I can't recall if I've heard balena as a troublemaker or as the one tool that works okay
[01:05] <Jim`> Nullifi3d the machine made it
[01:05] <Jim`> but what is a
[01:05] <Jim`> Expanded Security Maintenance for Applications is not enabled.
[01:07] <zachf> am trying "sudo dd if=/Users/me/Downloads/ubuntu-22.04.2-live-server-amd64.iso of=/dev/disk26 bs=32m"
[01:11] <EriC^^> zachf: make sure to run 'sync' after dd so it flushes out everything
[03:02] <cthulchu> hey folks, which of the ubuntu flavors allows for live CD option? https://ubuntu.com/desktop/flavours
[03:03] <arraybolt3> cthulchu: All official Ubuntu ISO files are live ISOs.
[03:03] <cthulchu> perfect, thank you
[03:04] <arraybolt3> Glad to help!
[03:04] <cthulchu> it's weird gnome is not there
[03:04] <arraybolt3> Ubuntu Desktop is GNOME.
[03:04] <cthulchu> oh nice
[03:04] <arraybolt3> It's not a flavor per se, since it's Ubuntu itself.
[03:04] <arraybolt3> The flavors are officially recognized and supported Ubuntu derivatives.
[03:04] <cthulchu> ah I see
[03:06] <cthulchu> wow, gnome is bigger than kubuntu
[03:06] <cthulchu> I thought kde was the largest of them
[03:18] <zachf> I tried the USB flash drive that I made using dd and the experience was the same as the ones made with Balena Etcher.
[03:19] <zachf> I tried something different to get more info this time
[03:19] <zachf> I remembered that holding command-v causes a verbose boot, and thought maybe it'll allow me to see whatever messages might be hiding behind the apple logo when it was attempting to boot from the Ubuntu installer
[03:22] <zachf> I don't know if any of these messages will help solve the riddle: https://www.dropbox.com/s/whdwgl2wwes3aqn/Ubuntu%20install%20attempt.png?dl=0
[03:27] <zachf> an OCR of that image results in this, which is imperfect but might get some of the gist across:
[03:27] <zachf> or nevermind, too many lines
[03:27] <zachf> but it does mention the system getting automatically rebooted after a panic
[03:28]  * arraybolt3 looks
[03:28] <arraybolt3> Weird, none of that is from the Ubuntu ISO.
[03:29] <zachf> I don't know if these message are related to the Ubuntu installer image or are all macOS recovering after it failed to boot, and aren't revealing anything about ubuntu-22.04.2-live-server-amd64.iso
[03:29] <arraybolt3> And you disabled the security chip?
[03:29] <arraybolt3> Yeah, those are all macOS or possibly Apple firmware messages.
[03:29] <arraybolt3> Ubuntu's messages look quite different.
[03:29] <zachf> I did, I chose "no security", and also "allow booting from external media"
[03:30] <zachf> Is it possible maybe I should buy a new USB flash drive that's known to work?
[03:30] <zachf> I saw someone mention the SanDisk Ultra Dual Drive usb type-c
[03:31] <zachf> I guess the Ubuntu ISO is causing a pretty instant panic with no visible messages of its own
[03:32] <arraybolt3> I don't really know. You don't even get a flash of messages or anything before the Apple logo?
[03:34]  * Liowenex thinking
[03:34] <zachf> here's the full video -- you can see the drive "EFI Boot", and as soon as I select it the signal goes away and the monitor goes blue. When it comes back it's macOS doing a verbose boot. https://www.dropbox.com/s/2glx4pgnqabzqoz/attempt%20to%20boot%20ubuntu.mov?dl=0
[03:35] <zachf> I pressed command-v during the part where there was no signal in the hopes that maybe it'd display some messages related to Ubuntu, but I guess once the apple logo is visible we're in a macOS boot
[03:36] <Liowenex> What model Mac?
[03:36] <Liowenex> (I joined late)
[03:37] <arraybolt3> Liowenex: 2018 Mac Mini I believe
[03:37] <zachf> A1993
[03:37] <zachf> https://everymac.com/ultimate-mac-lookup/?search_keywords=A1993
[03:38] <zachf> 3.6GHz Core i3 with 8GB RAM, 128Gb SSD
[03:39] <Liowenex> Damnit :( Outside my expertise range
[03:39] <Liowenex> Have you tried legacy boot?
[03:40] <Liowenex> Yeah oncet the Apple Logo appears, it's OSX mode
[03:40] <zachf> legacy boot? It's all outside my expertise range too!
[03:40] <Liowenex> Refind might help you
[03:41] <Liowenex> You'll have to boot into OSX to install it, it's slightly more compatible than the built-in EFI
[03:41] <zachf> hmm, I'll look into refind
[03:42] <zachf> thanks for being puzzled with me... seemed like I was following directions that have worked for others. Maybe I've got a newer firmware than some of the successes out there
[03:51] <Liowenex> If ubuntu was still making amd64+mac ISOs, I'd recommend those, zachf
[03:52] <Liowenex> I have a hell of a lot of experience with weird hardware that doesn't want to boot, if refind doesn't work, then there's so much more you can try, unless you don't have another computer
[04:54] <Sircle> sudo systemctl status tmp.mount  says active but there is nothing in cat /proc/swaps nor in htop swap or `free`. How can I activate zram?
[04:55] <Sircle> This worked on another PC last night. Not working on this one.
[04:55] <rbox> tmp.mount has nothing to do with swap?
[04:56] <Sircle> rbox see https://www.maketecheasier.com/configure-zram-ubuntu/
[04:57] <rbox> where does that say anything about tmp.mount?
[04:58] <csexecutive> not even sure why you'd want swap activate at tmp.mount tbh either
[05:09] <Sircle> csexecutive rbox for zram  cat /sys/block/zram0/comp_algorithm
[05:09] <Sircle> cat: /sys/block/zram0/comp_algorithm: No such file or directory
[05:09] <Sircle> csexecutive https://www.maketecheasier.com/configure-zram-ubuntu/
[05:20] <csexecutive> Sircle, I wasnt the one in need of that but thanks
[05:21] <Sircle> csexecutive I missed isntalling zram. My bad. all well now
[05:21] <csexecutive> I'm just here to help and keep my ubuntu skills up for some of my cloud servers :p
[05:21] <Sircle> csexecutive rbox how can i be 100% certain that my system is using zram for /tmp directory and not using disk drive (ssd or nvme)?
[05:22] <rbox> well /proc/mounts will tell you if something is mounted on /tmp
[05:24] <csexecutive> as should mount -a | grep tmp
[05:25] <Sircle> it says tmpfs rw, nosuid....
[05:25] <csexecutive> Sircle, https://www.96boards.org/documentation/consumer/guides/zram_swapspace.md.html << see about halfway down mkswap portion for your uses
[05:25] <Sircle> it says /tmp tmpfs rw, nosuid....
[05:25] <rbox> then /tmp is a tmpfs
[05:25] <Sircle> and tmpfs is in ram (always)?
[05:26] <rbox> tmpfs is virtual memory, it can go to swap
[05:26] <Sircle> so that makes sure that my /tmp is in ram?
[05:27] <csexecutive> if /tmp is not a 'physical'  partition its almost always in memory
[05:27] <csexecutive> or using the available space of the parent 'physical' partition its in
[05:33] <supay> hi all, i have a laptop running ubuntu 20.04 and it has 8GB of RAM soldered into it. i'm wondering if it ever makes sense to make a swap that's say 24GB in size? if so, would it work like my RAM (i understand the performance may differ due to differences in hardware)
[05:40] <nb-ben> supay: it kind of depends on the application
[05:40] <nb-ben> supay: but usually, it's not a great idea to use a lot of swap
[05:40] <supay> nb-ben: interesting! i kind of cross posted to #linux and there's a conversation brewing there too if you're interested :)
[05:41] <nb-ben> supay: I try to avoid #linux :p
[05:41] <supay> hahaha :D
[05:42] <nb-ben> supay: what are you using this for?
[05:42] <supay> nb-ben: i'm just curious really - i got anxious that system monitor shows my RAM usage is super high a lot of the time. but someone from #linux linked me to https://www.linuxatemyram.com/ and it was a fun read that tells me not to panic!
[05:43] <nb-ben> supay: my memory use is above 85% almost all the time, and I have 128GB of RAM
[05:44] <supay> nb-ben: i still am curious if i can run a heavy game that needs 32GB of memory (hypothetically) using 8GB of physical RAM and 24GB of swap
[05:44] <nb-ben> supay: you have to look at the use excluding buffers
[05:44] <nb-ben> supay: if the game doesn't access most of its RAM pages, then probably yeah
[05:45] <nb-ben> supay: but if it does, then this will quite bad, and also unhealthy for whatever you use as swap (hopefully an NVMe stick)
[05:47] <arraybolt3> (And depending on how much swap activity you have going on, that could damage your NVMe stick)
[05:51] <supay> nb-ben: ooo, very interesting! i didn't think about it like that.
[05:51] <supay> arraybolt3: got it, very interesting
[06:26] <akik> hi #ubuntu, i was here a couple of days ago asking about sluggish imac with a hdd. turns out changing the i/o scheduler from mq-deadline to bfq helped and the ui is more responsive
[06:29] <nb-ben> akik: it's a tradeoff, mq-deadline is better for drive health and throughput. If you can place a small/cheap NVMe SSD in there for caching then you could revert to mq-deadliner
[06:30] <nb-ben> akik: and get even faster response times from persistent storage
[06:31] <akik> nb-ben: not going to start dismantling the imac though. it's too hard a task. what do you mean drive health?
[06:32] <nb-ben> akik: there are actual mechanical arms that move about to read/write stuff, mq-deadliner attempts to run these chores with the least amount of actions, which is why it has to delay things and batch them together
[06:32] <nb-ben> akik: that's why you experienced latency
[06:32] <akik> nb-ben: ok thanks
[07:51] <nextbrain> hi
[07:52] <nextbrain> anyone here me
[07:55] <alkisg> Sure
[07:56] <akik> my friend said that his ubuntu installation is showing 3 security updates, but it looks like he'd need to pay for them (esm apps?)
[07:56] <akik> is using esm apps free?
[08:00] <ravage> !ubuntupro | akik
[08:00] <akik> raver: is that the same as esm apps?
[08:01] <lotuspsychje> akik: there's also a current bug in progress around that issue, bug #1992026
[08:01] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Bug 1992026 in ubuntu-advantage-tools (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu Pro APT integration is a bit much" [Critical, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1992026
[09:59] <supay> hi, how do i get rid of the 'app is ready' notifications? it's taking away focus from things like my file-save dialog :(
[09:59] <supay> pretty silly feature if you ask me.
[10:00] <lotuspsychje> wich app are we talking about supay
[10:01] <supay> lotuspsychje: i'm facing this issue on vscode while trying to save a new file.
[10:01] <luna> lotuspsychje: its a GNOME feature
[10:01] <supay> luna: is there any way to disable it? i don't really need notifications on my laptop :(
[10:02] <luna> found this: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1007/window-is-ready-notification-remover/
[10:03] <luna> https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/so4fcj/how_to_stop_all_the_application_is_ready/?newUser=true&one_tap=true
[10:03] <math06> ΘΟΦΗςΕΘΟΦΗΕςΟ
[10:03] <luna> https://superuser.com/questions/644850/disable-window-is-ready-notification-in-gnome-shell
[10:03] <math06> ΞΞΙΘΕΞΔΙΦΙΞΕΞΨΙΕΞΔΦΗΞΦΗΒΔΞΚΦΗΡΚΦΒΣΚΦΒΞΚΩΒΗΔΦΚΓΦΚΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓ
[10:03] <math06> ΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓΓ
[10:03] <supay> luna: thank you!
[10:04] <luna> np
[10:04] <math06> ΓΙΑ
[10:04] <supay> ops, please kb math06
[10:04] <math06> ΝΟ
[10:04] <supay> math06: then stop spamming.
[10:04] <math06> ΣΚΑΤΑ
[10:04] <supay> math06: even better, go spam #math or ##math
[10:05] <math06> ΡΕΝΙΣ
[10:16] <supay> luna: this finally did it for me: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/2182/noannoyance/ thank you again :)
[10:23] <luna> supay: np
[10:35] <N0b0dy> o/ <3
[10:36] <N0b0dy> so excited for the new 23.04!
[10:36] <N0b0dy> cant wait lol
[10:54] <amcsi> hey
[10:56] <amcsi> I'm SSH'd into my website server that uses HTTPS. How do I correctly curl my site using the right host, but using 127.0.0.1? Externally and internally this works: curl https://lycee-tcg.eu -- but internally this doesn't work, but I'm expecting it to: curl -H 'Host: lycee-tcg.eu' https://127.0.0.1
[10:58] <amcsi> I get: curl: (60) SSL certificate problem: self-signed certificate
[10:58] <amcsi> this is happening with multiple sites of mine, so I'm convinced the problem isn't with my setup
[11:01] <amcsi> I found my answer: curl --resolve 'lycee-tcg.eu:443:127.0.0.1' https://lycee-tcg.eu
[12:48] <cent> At Ubuntu 20.04 I need to alter the HOME env variable for a certain process that is capable of reading a specific PAM service.
[12:50] <cent> Let us say, that the process needs to direct logged users to '/data/home' instead of '/home'. Such users cannot login otherwise (eg. ssh).
[12:50] <cent> Admins an do so.
[12:51] <cent> The question is if, eg. set the PAM to direct all users with uid > 1000 to a diferent home than '/home'.
[12:51] <cent> Thank you for hints.
[12:52] <jhutchins> cent: The user creation scripts allow you to set a home directory, it is the second to last item in the /etc/passwd file.
[12:53] <cent> jhutchins, I know, but I'd need to change for users with uid > 1000.
[12:53] <jhutchins> cent: The quick-and-dirty fix is to manually edit that file.
[12:53] <jhutchins> A quick search for "linux set home directory" yeilds About 132,000,000 results.
[12:54] <jhutchins> cent: Don't focus on the method, focus on the goal.
[12:54] <alex70000>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY alex70000 &W$j48%7d$%4&63
[12:55] <alex70000>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY alex70000 &W$j48%7d$%4&63
[12:56] <jhutchins> cent: usermod -d <new home> <user> is the "correct" way to change it.  -m -d will move the contents from the current $HOME.
[12:56] <jhutchins> cent: The default can be set in /etc/default/useradd
[12:57] <jhutchins> cent: How many users do you need to manage on a regular basis?
[13:04] <cent> jhutchins, I don know yet. Up to 200.
[13:09] <SteelRose> Hi all! is there any LDAP-browser you can recommend? Thanks!
[13:13] <jhutchins> cent: I'd say build yourself a script that uses a different $HOME when the user is created and just intelligently choose which procedure to use on a case-by-case basis.
[13:14] <jhutchins> cent: Messing with the PAM system is not something most users should try.  Minor errors can render the system unusable without a clean rebuild.
[13:14] <jhutchins> SteelRose: What LDAP system do you have?
[13:16] <SteelRose> jhutchins: AD
[13:16] <SteelRose> it's what the company uses
[13:24] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:42] <Bardon> Hello, what are the delays introduced by phased updates? Like, how long between the message "the following packages have been kept back" and general availability?
[13:43] <Bardon> (assuming the update isn't buggy)
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> !phasedupdates | Bardon
[13:49] <Bardon> lotuspsychje: Thanks for answering. I read that page but it doesn't say what the delay is
[13:52] <jhutchins> SteelRose: So Microsoft AD?
[13:53] <jhutchins> SteelRose: I'd try the OS browsers available, see which one does what you need.
[13:53] <jhutchins> SteelRose: I would expect that most would work with MS unless they were tied to a specific system.
[13:54] <rollappuser> htgbttbbt
[13:56] <SteelRose> jhutchins: which AD/LDAP browser are you referring to?
[13:58] <ogra> SteelRose, apt-cache search LDAP browser
[13:58] <ogra> there are a few ...
[14:00] <SteelRose> ogra: I only see jxplorer ... and it bombs
[14:35] <jhutchins> SteelRose: Google shows "About 115,000,000 results" for "linux ad browser".
[14:37] <SteelRose> I just need 1 :-)
[14:39] <leftyfb> SteelRose: type into google: ubuntu active directory "browser"   there's several mentioned that you can try
[14:40] <ogra> jhutchins, heh ... that *might* refer to other types of "ad" though 🙂
[14:42] <jhutchins> ogra: Possible, but the displayed hits all referred to "LDAP".
[14:46] <SteelRose> thanks all
[15:02] <eson123> question so i was trying out Ubuntu 20.10 for Desktop in my virtual box but weird enough, i can't seem to open a Terminal, Ctrl - Alt - T or manually opening it via typing and selecting the icon won't pop it up, anyway i can fix or at least diagnose this ?
[15:02] <leftyfb> eson123: try a supported release like 22.04
[15:02] <ogra> 20.10 is long EOL ...
[15:02] <csexecutive> eson123, comfortable with terminal ( cli not gui terminal)?  able to get to a tty session?
[15:03] <csexecutive> misread that as 22.10 my bad leftyfb
[15:03] <eson123> that is weird i would expect the one at the "Download" button to be the latest, i downloaded it here --> https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[15:03] <eson123> and even though i clicked on the download in the "Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS", for some weird reasons it's downloadng 20.10 .-.
[15:03] <csexecutive> eson123, latest != LTS ( Long term support)
[15:03] <csexecutive> there are 2 life cycles for Ubuntu
[15:04] <csexecutive> check your setting then?  where are you attempting a download from ?
[15:04] <leftyfb> eson123: there's no possible way you clicked on that link and are now downloading 20.10
[15:04] <csexecutive> ^^ that
[15:04] <leftyfb> eson123: https://releases.ubuntu.com/22.04.2/ubuntu-22.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso  there ya go
[15:04] <csexecutive> short of using some sketchy unofficial site
[15:05] <eson123> huh u're right, it's 22.04.2 now, just retried
[15:05] <eson123> wth happened earlier
[15:05] <csexecutive> fat finger/click maybe
[15:05] <csexecutive> happens, but seems you are on path to correcting so all good
[15:05] <eson123> either way let's me reinstall this image and see if this still happens
[15:06] <csexecutive> eson123, if so permsissions and/or selinux woes come to mind, BUT the LTS should be clear of those of course
[15:06] <leftyfb> csexecutive: selinux is not installed by default in ubuntu and not recommended
[15:07] <leftyfb> csexecutive: wait until they have an actual problem with 22.04 before trying to troubleshoot
[15:20] <jhutchins> Anybody who was watching me struggle with lm-sensors yesterday: It was worth it.  I caught one of the cores hitting 100C just before the system shut down.
[15:58] <eson123> well this is still odd, just installed 22.04.2 LTS, still can't open terminal :(
[16:02] <ravage> Dont use tbe unattended installation
[16:02] <ravage> It's broken
[16:04] <leftyfb> unattended installation?
[16:04] <leftyfb> ravage: got a bug report?
[16:04] <ravage> On the vbox forum
[16:05] <ravage> https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=108262
[16:06] <ravage> Also mentioned it on discourse
[16:06] <ravage> But i don't think anyone cares :)
[16:06] <eson123> Oh let's me try again
[16:07] <leftyfb> the people with the issue don't care if they're not bothering to file a bug that's apparently been around for 4 months
[16:08] <ravage> It's not a bug in Ubuntu
[16:08] <ravage> But the guide should not encourage a broken install process
[16:08] <jhutchins> File a bug against the guide?
[16:10] <ravage> Sure. Feel free to do it
[16:12] <jhutchins> ravage: Thank you!
[16:13] <ravage> yw
[16:25] <eson123> woah, unattended sure is broken, works nice now
[17:47] <luna> you know you are a geek when you only recognize people by online nickname but not their actual real first and last name :D
[17:54] <hao> hi, how can I start gui application as root? search result mostly show by using gksu/gksudo, but now this package is missing
[17:55] <ravage> sudo should work just fine
[18:11] <jhutchins> System is now idling at 35/38C
[18:11] <jhutchins> hao: You should almost never run a GUI application as root.
[18:12] <jhutchins> hao: If it needs root permissions, it should ask for authorization internally.
[18:12] <jhutchins> hao: what program are you trying to run?
[18:14] <Habbie> can apt-key do *anything* without gnupg?
[18:15] <ravage> probably print errors
[18:15] <Habbie> well yes
[18:15] <Habbie> that it clearly can!
[18:15] <Habbie> i'm wondering because the ubuntu:focal docker image has apt-key but no gnupg
[18:15] <ravage> but you should not use that tool anymore
[18:15] <Habbie> and i wonder what's the point
[18:16] <ravage> its deprecated.
[18:16] <Habbie> right, that's also a good point
[18:16] <Habbie> ah, it's in the apt package, that's why it's installed
[18:16] <matrixy> why shouldnt you run gui apps as root? just wondering
[18:17] <matrixy> well with sudo
[18:18] <hao> ravage, jhutchins: trying to start qmk via app, running `sudo /opt/VIA/via-nativia` refused to open with some electron error, but I think that's bug of via.
[18:19] <hao> so I headed to their discord channel
[18:21] <juan> hola
[18:22] <jhutchins> matrixy: GUI apps often write things like config files, or update them.  If they write to root's home directory, that can cause problems.  If they write to the user's home directory as root, the user can then not change or sometimes even read the file.
[18:22] <jhutchins> hao: That sounds like a better route, asking the via channel.
[18:23] <jhutchins> matrixy: If the app is set up to request authorization, chances are it has safeties built in to keep it from destroying your system.
[18:24] <jhutchins> matrixy: Some of this comes from the multi-user nature of *nix, root is reserved for the sysadmin running from a console, regular users should not attempt to change system-wide items.
[18:24] <matrixy> ah makes sense i guess
[18:25] <Sircle> I had good time with zram, tmpfs but since I cannot find the ram I want from market, until then, what might be the second best thing to be used as ram? Is there any faster / similar thing like ram is? I got all my ram slots full
[18:26] <jhutchins> For someone who comes from a single-user system where the only user is the admin it seems a bit cumbersome, but there are still good reasons to keep admin separate.
[18:27] <jhutchins> Sadly pricewatch.com, which used to be a great resource for finding parts, is no longer up.
[18:33] <jhutchins> Oh, and the monitor did come up at boot.
[18:33] <arraybolt3> Sircle: Did you ever get zram working?
[18:34] <arraybolt3> Sircle: If not, I just remembered I wrote a tutorial on it once.
[18:34] <arraybolt3> ...which appears to be locked out of my reach since the website it's on may be down.
[18:34] <arraybolt3> Gah. Nevermind.
[18:34] <arraybolt3> The site's down.
[18:36] <matrixy> i visited a site that was down today too
[18:36] <matrixy> well halfway
[18:37] <jhutchins> arraybolt3: We are of an age to have outlived some favorite web sites.
[18:37] <Sircle> arraybolt3 yes
[18:37] <arraybolt3> Heh, oh well. I know the sysadmin so I'm sure he'll be able to unbreak it.
[18:38] <arraybolt3> Sircle: Ah, nice. Sadly, the only two RAM "replacements" I know of are swap and RAM compression. You might be able to set up zswap, which is kind of a hybrid between the two.
[18:49] <Sircle> arraybolt3 ok
[18:59] <gartral> I know this isn't an ubuntu stock question, but is anyone else having extreme stability issues with Plasma on any ubuntu flavor?
[19:02] <arraybolt3> gartral: Actually, yes.
[19:02] <arraybolt3> On Kubuntu 22.04, Plasma 5.24, plasmashell and kwin_x11 are both crashing rather frequently.
[19:02] <arraybolt3> About twice a day or more.
[19:03] <arraybolt3> I'm able to get around it by running `killall plasmashell && killall kwin_x11` in a terminal, then hitting Alt+F2 to get a KRunner prompt. Then in KRunner, I run `plasmashell`, then `kwin_x11`, and I'm back up and running.
[19:03] <arraybolt3> gartral: ^
[19:04] <tomreyn> arraybolt3: does this mean data loss from GUI apps? and is this the default kubuntu configuration?
[19:04] <arraybolt3> I guess I wouldn't call it "extreme" but "annoying".
[19:04] <arraybolt3> tomreyn: No data loss involved.
[19:04] <arraybolt3> Plasmashell and kwin_x11 both can be killed and restarted without causing any adverse affects (at least with everything I use).
[19:04] <tomreyn> so applications keep running you just replace the window manager
[19:04] <arraybolt3> And the desktop shell, but yeah.
[19:05] <arraybolt3> I can do this in the middle of other work.
[19:05] <arraybolt3> Like I just did it just now to ward off a crash.
[19:05] <tomreyn> i see, thanks. that's pretty sad, though, i wasn't aware it's that unstable still.
[19:05] <arraybolt3> I'm not sure I would call my configuration "stock", but it's likely close enough to stock.
[19:06] <arraybolt3> I've seen others having the same problem, so I figure it's not a config problem.
[19:06] <jhutchins> KDE has never really recovered from the 4.0 release.
[19:26] <hao> hey, I just downloaded the gucharmap, I find it's more powerful than the default characters app, but is there a way to search in gucharmap instead of the default app when searching in the "application preview"?
[19:30] <matrixy> you can search the hex code for a unicode character
[19:30] <matrixy> x310 does the weird stacking characters
[19:36] <hao> that's not what I'm asking. I'm trying to let the search result in "activities preview" show up results form gucharmap, instead of the default "characters" app. there is no option to configure this in side Settings->Search.
[19:43] <jhutchins> hao: You'd almost think these things were made by separate teams.
[19:58] <relipse> Is there a way to not reprompt for my password in Ubuntu 22.04 so much? Maybe like once during startup?
[19:59] <relipse> unless I specifically "lock" the screen?
[20:00] <sarnold> relipse: which password prompts specifically?
[20:00] <relipse> if my computer goes to sleep (idle) for a while, and i move the mouse, the ubuntu user password is required to log back in
[20:01] <sarnold> that's probably configurable in a screen locking control panel thing
[20:02] <fidodido_48> relipse: disable screen-locking in power management
[20:03] <tomreyn> note that screen locking is a security feature.
[20:03] <jhutchins> tomreyn: So are cable locks.
[20:03] <tomreyn> you can configure how long after the screen blanks it will additionally take for the screen lock to become active
[20:03] <relipse> i dont see anything about locking in the Settings -> Power config screen
[20:04] <relipse> just Dim Screen, Screen Black
[20:04] <relipse> Blank
[20:04] <tomreyn> what are you running?
[20:04] <relipse> Ubuntu 22.04 x11
[20:04] <jhutchins> Isn't that gdm?
[20:05] <tomreyn> https://i.imgur.com/Tt9bAcf.png
[20:05] <relipse> ok I found it in the Screen Lock  page
[20:05] <tomreyn> it's in the privacy submenu
[20:05] <relipse> yes, I found it. Thank you tom
[20:06] <relipse> i am running a Windows program using Wine and it doesn't have a minimize button. Any ideas
[20:07] <EriC^^> alt+ space show anything?
[20:10] <zachf> I have good news and bad news about my attempt to get Ubuntu installed on a 2018 Mac Mini (discussed here last night). Installing reFInd finally allowed the mac mini to load the ubuntu installer. I went through the install process, choosing the defaults, and then when it got to the disk section it didn't seem to see the ~80Gb FAT32 partition named 'UBUNTU' that I'd created using Disk Utility (I'd left 40Gb of the 128Gb drive for
[20:10] <zachf>  macOS) and instead offered me the option of using the whole disk or doing manual stuff. I wanted to double-check on the existence of the partition so rebooted the machine and the 'Boot macOS from Preboot' option would not boot macOS but instead brought up a white screen. I rebooted and tried a couple other ways of booting macOS (I think hitting tab brought up a list, tried 64-bit verbose, 32-bit, etc -- all either led to a white
[20:10] <zachf>  screen or froze on text). So I rebooted and chose the installer and chose defaults and chose to install ubuntu to the whole disk. It did a bunch of installing and then asked me to remove the drive and hit enter to reboot. Upon reboot, the apple logo appeared for a few seconds, then the signal went away and the fans came up and it rebooted. It proceeded to keep doing this in a reboot loop. And it never booted to the reFInd boot
[20:10] <zachf>  manager.
[20:11] <zachf> or actually that's not true - my memory is playing tricks on me. reFInd was there, and offered the single option of EFI boot
[20:11] <zachf> it did not see macOS on the drive anymore, which makes sense. But it also would just lead to a boot loop.
[20:13] <zachf> FWIW I had SIP disabled, and all security disabled on the machine. csrutil status reported 'disabled', I ran that to double-check right before I installed reFInd.
[20:14] <sarnold> zachf: normally you need ~1gb fat32 to store uefi stuff. I have no idea what macos expects from uefi, but there's no way it needs 80gb fat32
[20:15] <zachf> oh I'd made that FAT32 partition just to block off a large section for Ubuntu to take over
[20:15] <zachf> I'd done so when I was trying to follow this tutorial: https://levelup.gitconnected.com/ubuntu-server-build-series-2022-part-1-22c1dd35b8b4
[20:15] <zachf> I figured the Ubuntu installer would list that partition and I'd be able to select it and have it reformat it and use it, it was basically all of the disk that wasn't used by macOS
[20:16] <sarnold> ahhhhhhh
[20:16] <sarnold> maybe leave that space unpartitioned instead?
[20:16] <sarnold> if it's partitioned with a filesystem type that can't be used for installation, the installer might just hide it
[20:18] <zachf> I guess I'll be reinstalling macOS via the network and start over. But I'm not sure how I'll manage to get successful boots to either Ubuntu or macOS after installation this time. Seemed like both were failing.
[20:19] <sarnold> what happened to macos/
[20:20] <jhutchins> relipse: Don't expect full functions when running in Wine.
[20:21] <zachf> What happened to to macOS is that reFInd could not boot it, it just led to a white screen. And then I just decided I only really care about having Ubuntu on the machine, so let the installer choose to use the full disk. So no more macOS.
[20:21] <sarnold> oof :(
[20:22] <sarnold> ah I missed  that bit :( sorry
[20:22] <sarnold> is it too late to go back to bed? heh
[20:22] <zachf> no worries
[20:23] <zachf> Now I'm reinstalling macOS from the network restore, and will use that to reinstall reFInd, and to partition off the non-macOS portion of the disk into an unused partition rather than FAT32, and then will try again.
[20:23] <UndrWater> zachf: have you been able to load a "live" ubuntu?
[20:23] <zachf> Maybe if I manage to make a partition that the Ubuntu installer sees and can choose, I'll be able to have it install into that and it'll boot afterward
[20:24] <zachf> I'm not sure what loading a "live" ubuntu would mean -- was the installer (ubuntu-22.04.2-live-server-amd64.iso) I burned to a usb flash drive a live ubuntu?
[20:24] <jhutchins> UndrWater: I seem to remember that the live images don't boot well on Macs, so they don't make the Apple compatible versions.
[20:24] <UndrWater> i see
[20:25] <jhutchins> Things change though, so it's possible.
[20:25] <UndrWater> if one does, you could boot to a live environment, and see what partitions are available or could be made from there.
[20:26] <UndrWater> zachf: does reFind still show up?
[20:43] <bm> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1458180/snap-gimp-not-opening-images-in-root-folder
[20:44] <bm> So what do you guys think about snap
[20:44] <Eickmeyer> Considering this is a support channel, that' s not up for discussion here, bm.
[20:45] <leftyfb> bm: that thread has the solution: sudo snap connect gimp:removable-media
[20:48] <bm> leftyfb: incorrect
[20:49] <leftyfb> bm: ok, feel free to explain your issue in detail
[20:49] <bm> leftyfb: no issue, just sharing a link from StackOverflow's Hot Network Questions
[20:50] <leftyfb> bm: this is a support channel. Please stick to the topic at hand.
[20:58] <bonzo> hi
[21:28] <billybigrigger> hey all, i'm having some issues with file sharing between 22.04.2 and win11....to make this simple, the user and password is the same across the board, win11/ubuntu/samba....
[21:28] <billybigrigger> but i'm still not able to browse the share on the windows machine, it keeps asking me for the correct password
[21:30] <billybigrigger> smbpasswd created the user, i verified with pdbedit -L -v, the user was created...i just can't login to the share
[21:31] <leftyfb> billybigrigger: what do the logs tell you?
[21:31] <billybigrigger> leftyfb where is the samba log dir on linux, sorry freebsd guy here :D
[21:31] <leftyfb>  /var/log/samba/
[21:31] <billybigrigger> leftyfb /var/log doesn't exist
[21:32] <billybigrigger> pebkac
[21:32] <billybigrigger> ignore that
[21:32] <billybigrigger> leftyfb is there a specific log for auth? i see a bunch of log.xxxxxxx
[21:33] <Guest41> did anyone running ubuntu 22.04 have their networking restarted after "Starting Daily apt upgrade and clean activities" today? and also /etc/networkd-dispatcher/routable.d/ was not run
[21:33] <billybigrigger> log.docky log.nmbd log.windows etc etc
[21:33] <billybigrigger> i assume those are my LAN hostnames
[21:34] <leftyfb> billybigrigger: yes. Look in the appropriate log for the client trying to access your share
[21:34] <billybigrigger> i see a backtrace yay :P
[21:35] <billybigrigger> leftyfb
[21:35] <billybigrigger> permission denied error, funny thing is the /reds dir is 777 don:don
[21:36] <billybigrigger> don is a system user, as well as a samba user, as well as a windows account:P  as i said earlier, all passwords are the same
[21:38] <leftyfb> billybigrigger: try nobody:nogroup as the owner
[21:38] <billybigrigger> for the root folder or recursive as well?
[21:38] <billybigrigger> i assume -R
[21:39] <jhutchins> billybigrigger: Any reason you can't just make it guest accessible?
[21:39] <leftyfb> billybigrigger: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/c5Csqxpd3x/
[21:40] <billybigrigger> ughhhhhh why is this still a pita in 2023 :P
[21:40] <leftyfb> billybigrigger: and yes for /reds -R
[21:40] <jhutchins> billybigrigger: Partly because Microsoft keeps tinkering with the system (some would say to deliberately make it harder).
[21:41] <billybigrigger> so from nautlis? gnome files? the file manager, right clicking and adding a local network share, and enabling guests/other users doesn't do anything obviously?
[21:42] <billybigrigger> jhutchins, this is a non issue in truenas:P  can't blame everything on MS hehe
[21:42] <billybigrigger> i remember trying to do this from a nautilus gui in 8.04 over a decade ago, seems like nothing has changed
[21:43] <leftyfb> billybigrigger: sudo chown -R nobody:nogroup /reds   and use this for your /etc/samba/smb.conf  https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/c5Csqxpd3x/
[21:43] <billybigrigger> leftyfb i'll just borrow your share config and make
[21:43] <billybigrigger> thanks
[21:43] <zachf> aha, got macOS installed via network restore (Mojave, ok fine). And then I reinstalled rEFInd. I verified that it could boot to macOS. I let the APFS volume for macOS take up 40GB of the 128GB SSD, and made an 80GB partition set to exfat. Then I booted to the ubuntu installer -- it didn't see an 80Gb partition. Went back to macOS, changed the exfat partition to apfs and went back to the ubuntu installer -- it seemed to see that
[21:43] <zachf>  partition but just as 9GB. Back to Disk Utility, tried making the partition unallocated, which didn't seem possible within the UI but at the terminal I could do a 'sudo diskutil eraseVolume free none' on it.
[21:44] <billybigrigger> client ntlmv2 auth = yes   <-------more than likely is what i'm missing from the default SMB.CONF
[21:44] <zachf> The whole point of this is that I want to make a partition on the drive that Ubuntu can take over and format as it needs, while preserving macOS
[21:44] <jhutchins> billybigrigger: Here's a share that works: https://dpaste.com/47LQAU8R8
[21:44] <billybigrigger> jhutchins leftyfb thanks for the assist! i appreciate you guys!
[21:44] <jhutchins> billybigrigger: testparm is your friend.
[21:44] <billybigrigger> ^^
[21:45] <zachf> I suppose maybe there's a way to just note actual sectors to use, or otherwise note the exact numbers to enter into a custom field in the installer in order to grab the desired portion of disk and make a partition there for Ubuntu, but I haven't figured it out.
[21:46] <Guest41> can someone explain to me why "Daily apt upgrade" caused my network to shutdown and then not run /etc/networkd-dispatcher/routable.d/ when it came back up? https://pastebin.com/raw/HfaznsK4
[21:46] <zachf> I thought it'd be simple to just make a partition within macOS, since it seems to already know and recognize all the partitions on the drive
[21:46] <jhutchins> zachf: I'm pretty sure I've seen Mac install guides for Ubuntu.  Have you tried those?  DualBoot has been a thing about as long as Mac compatibility.
[21:46] <jhutchins> Guest41: What did you upgrade?
[21:47] <Guest41> @jhutchins I didn't upgrade anything, it was automatic
[21:47] <zachf> jhutchins: I tried following this one, which insisted I'd need to make a MS-DOS (FAT) partition for Ubuntu Server to take over, but that partition wasn't noticed by the Ubuntu installer. https://levelup.gitconnected.com/ubuntu-server-build-series-2022-part-1-22c1dd35b8b4
[21:48] <billybigrigger> leftyfb
[21:49] <billybigrigger> lanman auth, client lanman auth, client ntlmv2 auth are deprecated according to testparm :D
[21:49] <jhutchins> zachf: Wish I had one to recommend but I last had hardware to test with around 2008.
[21:50] <jhutchins> Built a bunch of MySQL servers on Mac Minis.
[21:50] <leftyfb> Guest41: ubuntu only updates critical patches to certain packages and only if you enabled unattended upgrades during the installation, which isn't default. And Ubuntu will NEVER reboot automatically.
[21:50] <jhutchins> zachf: Iirc parallels worked pretty nicely.
[21:51] <zachf> you mean parallels to run ubuntu virtualized under macOS, rather than booting to it non-virtualized?
[21:51] <jhutchins> Guest41: If it was automatic, you're the one who did it.  Check the logs to see what got updated.
[21:51] <jhutchins> zachf: Yes.  Not necessarily a recommendation, just a reminiscence.
[21:52] <zachf> jhutchins: hmm, looksl ike this tutorial also says to make a MS-DOS partition for Ubuntu's installer to take. Weird. https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/install-linux-macbook-pro/
[21:52] <leftyfb> billybigrigger: I have it running just fine on Ubuntu 20.04. Been running since  of 2020
[21:52] <leftyfb> sorry, June of 2020
[21:52] <jhutchins> zachf: I would expect the refit pages to have somethinig current.
[21:52] <billybigrigger> leftyfb i left it in, just letting you know there was a testparm warning :P
[21:53] <billybigrigger> still waiting for my chown -R command to finish, can't verify if this cfg works or not yet
[21:57] <Guest41> jhutchins leftyfb I didn't enable anything though, the system came preinstalled as a server I got from OVH
[21:57] <Guest41> so the solution is to just disable unattended upgrades?
[21:57] <leftyfb> Guest41: ok, so it's a custom image. You should reach out to OVH to ask them what they modified
[21:57] <Guest41> and also why did it not run /etc/networkd-dispatcher/routable.d/ ?
[21:58] <leftyfb> Guest41: not sure, you'll have to dig into your logs further. I use that and it works just fine for all my servers
[21:59] <Guest41> leftyfb i don't see anything else in syslog though, where else can I look? and it worked for me every time I rebooted until now
[21:59] <Guest41> what is the best way to disable unattended upgrades ?
[22:02] <leftyfb> Guest41: https://linuxhint.com/enable-disable-unattended-upgrades-ubuntu/  first result on google for "ubuntu disable unattended upgrades"
[22:02] <leftyfb> Guest41: the 2nd result is probably all you need https://ostechnix.com/how-to-disable-unattended-upgrades-on-ubuntu/
[22:02] <Guest41> leftyfb do you know if that package "unattended-upgrades" will get reinstalled if I do dist-upgrade or do-release-upgrade?
[22:02] <Guest41> or is it always off by default
[22:03] <leftyfb> Guest41: neither of the links I gave you specified removing the package
[22:05] <Guest41> they say For removing this feature permanently, use the below command line:
[22:05] <Guest41> $ sudo apt remove unattended-upgrades
[22:06] <leftyfb> bah, my bad
[22:06] <leftyfb> ok, I guess you can just remove it
[22:06] <sarnold> good luck with your next do-release-upgrade
[22:06] <leftyfb> dpkg-reconfigure would probably work as well
[22:07] <Guest41> which one do you think is safer/future proof
[22:07] <sarnold> configuring it off
[22:08] <billybigrigger> leftyfb
[22:08] <billybigrigger> do i need to create a system or samba user account for 'guest'?
[22:09] <billybigrigger> im still being prompted to login
[22:09] <leftyfb> no
[22:09] <billybigrigger> trying to login with don or guest without a pw doesn't work
[22:09] <transhumanist> hi what does ubuntu use to do the following:  https://bpa.st/UWIIM
[22:09] <billybigrigger> this is after a smbd.service reload
[22:11] <transhumanist> that is cgroups are no longer in ubuntu kernel and neither are the modules
[22:13] <sarnold> transhumanist: systemd does the mounting, https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/25a45b0dd1a3d81a0b398ba112e298116179a86f/src/shared/cgroup-setup.c
[22:13] <transhumanist> that is cpuset cpuacct memory blkio are not even modules in the kernel
[22:14] <leftyfb> transhumanist: cat /boot/config-$(uname -r) |grep CGROUPS  # this will tell you if your kernel has CGROUPS enabled (it does)
[22:15] <transhumanist> yes but those modules are not in it, so it seems in 22.04
[22:15] <leftyfb> billybigrigger: not sure what to tell you, I built our samba server really quick and simple with nothing fancy. I can access it from linux and Windows without being asked for a password
[22:15] <leftyfb> transhumanist: CGROUPS is enabled by default in the Ubuntu 22.04 kernels
[22:16] <billybigrigger> leftyfb ya this is a migrated vm, with an imported zfs pool, (tbf the pool and share's worked a few months ago no issues)
[22:17] <billybigrigger> they worked on this vm no issues
[22:17] <leftyfb> spin up a new VM and test
[22:18] <billybigrigger> already on it lol
[22:18] <billybigrigger> where does the file managers right click > local network share store it's config?
[22:18] <billybigrigger> i see it doesn't even touch smb.conf
[22:18] <billybigrigger> like is it a gui that doesn't actually do ANYTHING? lol
[22:19] <billybigrigger> and there's nowhere i can see to include a secondary smb.conf or config block
[22:19] <leftyfb> I don't know, I don't use any of that. It's not needed for a client and I don't run a desktop GUI on servers
[22:19] <jhutchins> Do the Nautilus shares work if the user who created them isn't logged in?
[22:19] <billybigrigger> feel you on that
[22:20] <billybigrigger> jhutchins possible, though i have had this working while logged in
[22:20] <billybigrigger> let me check
[22:20] <jhutchins> I expect that might be a selectable option...
[22:20] <billybigrigger> this was my temp/perm plex vm at one point, so this all worked great until i spun it up today and imported the zfs pool
[22:21] <billybigrigger> oooh interesting
[22:22] <billybigrigger> i just went into the nautilus LAN share gui, and checked 'Guest Access' (which i tried earlier today)....but after adding lefty's [shared] block to the config i get......
[22:23] <billybigrigger> net usershare returned error 255 cannot share path /reds as we are restricted to only sharing directories we own.
[22:23] <leftyfb> billybigrigger: you shouldn't be using both smb.conf and nautilus for shares. One or the other
[22:23] <billybigrigger> this is after i chown'd -R nobody:nogroup /reds
[22:23] <billybigrigger> leftyfb i never touched smb.conf until you wanted me to add your [shared] block
[22:23] <transhumanist> yes but those modules are not also loaded, which I need to do this: https://bpa.st/7TMFY   << there is 4 versions here all almost work the one I really want is one using nice, but it displays the error below the terminal command
[22:24] <transhumanist> should I perhaps just ask in #bash?
[22:24] <billybigrigger> Ask the administrator to add the line "usershare owner only = false" to the [global] section of the smb.conf to allow this.
[22:24] <billybigrigger> so the nautilus gui is asking me to modify smb.conf, so they must work together
[22:25] <billybigrigger> unless that is just spitting out and stdout error message :D
[22:26] <billybigrigger> s/and/an
[22:30] <Guest41> leftyfb I just figured out how to reproduce the bug. if you do "systemctl start apt-daily-upgrade" it will restart networking and it won't run anything in "/etc/networkd-dispatcher/routable.d". Do you know why that is
[22:31] <Guest41> this is on a fresh ubuntu 22.04 hetzner vm, so I don't think it's an issue with my configuration
[22:31] <leftyfb> Guest41: I've never heard of that and don't believe that is the default behavior
[22:39] <Guest41> leftyfb: well you can test it out by typing "systemctl start apt-daily-upgrade"
[22:40] <jhutchins> Guest41: Has anybody suggested that un-attended upgrades might not be a good idea, especially for someone new to Linux?
[22:41] <Guest41> jhutchins: it's not just about unattended upgrades though, I disabled that now. the issue is that networkd-dispatcher doesn't run when the network is restarted, that's a serious flaw in the OS
[22:42] <jhutchins> Guest41: Possibly a flaw in your configuration.  If it failed for everybody, that would be thousands of users.
[22:42] <jhutchins> Guest41: It could well be a bug/problem, I'm not trying to say it's all your fault.
[22:43] <Guest41> well I've been using ubuntu for over 10 years, and I've seen dozens of random bugs like this that only got fixed many years later
[22:44] <jhutchins> Guest41: Be very careful about citing your experience.  Some people out here have been in this business a very long time.
[22:45] <Jeremy31> It can be hard to fix a bug if a dev can't reproduce it
[22:47] <arraybolt3> Guest41: What is Hetzner?
[22:48] <leftyfb> Guest41: you might try configured.d as opposed to routable.d
[22:48] <Guest41> it's a cloud provider
[22:48] <arraybolt3> If it's a VPS provider, they may (read: probably) have customized things.
[22:48] <leftyfb> Guest41: https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/kinetic/en/man1/networkctl.1.html
[22:48] <zachf> I'm back at it with the mac mini… I made a few fat32 partitions using disk utility under macos, and as it turns out the Ubuntu installer does see them. They just show up in the list of available recognized partitions as 'vfat' format and with sizes that don't correspond to their sizing in macOS's disk utility. For example the 82GB fat32 partition I made shows up in the Ubuntu installer as around 9Gb, and I don't see any option
[22:48] <zachf>  within the installer to change the size of the partition. Installing Ubuntu to that partition fails, maybe because it's only 9Gb?
[22:49] <zachf> I've now downloaded ubuntu-22.04.2-desktop-amd64.iso, am flashing it to a usb drive, and will try booting to Ubuntu live on the Mac Mini to see if I can use partitioning tools available within Ubuntu to create an ext4 partition into which to install Ubuntu Server.
[22:50] <zachf> will be interesting to see if ubuntu live can actually boot on this machine
[22:52] <tomreyn> 9 GB is most likely too small for a desktop installation. but a vfat (FAT8/16/32) file system would not work either.
[22:53] <zachf> tomreyn: the idea, as expressed in every tutorial I've been able to find on installing Ubuntu on a mac, is that you make an MS-DOS (FAT32) partition with disk utility, and then you select that partition in the Ubuntu installer and it reformats it to ext4 and installs Ubuntu.
[22:54] <tomreyn> i see, you know more than i do there.
[22:54] <zachf> Maybe this worked many versions ago? I don't know. It no longer seems like a viable path. I made an 80+Gb MS-DOS (FAT32) partition using disk utility, and it shows up as 9Gb in the Ubuntu installer with no option to resize or edit the size.
[22:54] <zachf> Yeah, it's a bummer!
[22:55] <Jeremy31> zachf: why a 80GB fat32 partition?
[22:55] <zachf> Jeremy31: It's a 128Gb SSD, I was leaving ~40Gb for macOS.
[22:55] <zachf> and I don't want to have a fat32 partition, in the end
[22:55] <zachf> but the tutorials I've found, such as https://levelup.gitconnected.com/ubuntu-server-build-series-2022-part-1-22c1dd35b8b4
[22:56] <zachf> or https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/install-linux-macbook-pro/
[22:56] <zachf> all include making a fat32 partition, which is then selected in the Ubuntu installer and turned into an ext4 partition full of Ubuntu through some kind of sorcery
[22:57] <jhutchins> zachf: iirc, making it a DOS partition has to do with what the Mac OS can read and the installer can access before a full Linux enviroment is available.
[22:57] <zachf> disk utility within macOS has a limited number of options for filesystems
[22:58] <jhutchins> There just really no reason to keep trying to force Linux on any Mac hardware I had.  There was a PowerBook Pro that I could have tried it on, but somebody wanted it as a Mac before I got to it.
[22:58] <zachf> jhutchins: that's what I figured. What I don't understand is why the 80+Gb DOS partition made in macOS shows up as 9Gb in the Ubuntu installer
[22:59] <zachf> jhutchins: my Debian laptop from 2012 died, and I was given an old mac Mini, so figured I'd see if I could set it up as my new home linux box
[22:59] <jhutchins> I can get a perfectly good new Intel system for $200 and it'll run Linux just fine.
[22:59] <jhutchins> zachf: You will find that the size of a partition is not an absolute number, but depends on what application is asking and displaying it.
[23:00] <zachf> I'm certain I could get or build a PC and put Linux on it, but I'm not ready to give up on getting it working on this Mac Mini because it was free and I'm stubborn
[23:00] <jhutchins> Ah, those are the best kind.
[23:01] <jhutchins> You have nothing to loose but your free time.
[23:02] <jhutchins> It really is a nice hardware format.
[23:03] <zachf> here are two views of the same partitions -- one as reported by 'diskutil list' on macos, the other as reported by the Ubuntu installer:
[23:04] <zachf> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/52k4708cszhypd5/AAC8GACnXVCMRpPSdSVHMmqka?dl=0
[23:05] <zachf> 84.8Gb in diskutil's list becomes an unchangeable and unusable 9.531G in the Ubuntu installer.
[23:05] <elias_> hi
[23:05] <zachf> looks like my Ubuntu live flash drive is ready, I'll give it a go
[23:05] <elias_> :q
[23:13] <Guest41> leftyfb thanks, configured.d seems to work. also if anyone here wants to reproduce the issue, you have to do "systemctl start apt-daily" and then "systemctl start apt-daily-upgrade" on a server that has packages that can be updated, but after you do this then you'll have no packages that need to be updated. so best way to test this is with a
[23:13] <Guest41> snapshot of a vm
[23:13] <Guest41> is there a way to prevent updates from restarting networking though? or does it only restart networking in unattended upgrades?
[23:15] <zachf> jhutchins: wow, the Ubuntu Live drive worked. I was able to run gpartd and change that ~80Gb MSDOS partition to ext4. I'm wondering if I should go for the ubuntu server installer again or just go ahead and install Ubuntu Desktop. I plan to use the device as a server, but I don't know if there's a lot of different between these two distributions.
[23:15] <zachf> I did know a couple days ago when I started this process, but have now forgotten what's different between the two except that desktop includes a desktop
[23:36] <billybigrigger> Guest41 whats with the apt-daily service?
[23:36] <billybigrigger> why not just use ansible?
[23:38] <Guest41> billybigrigger it's built into ubuntu, i didn't add it
[23:38] <Guest41> probably part of this https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades
[23:46] <billybigrigger> that's a default service now a days? jeez lol
[23:49] <Jeremy31> billybigrigger: I think apt-daily can be disabled by changing the upgrade schedule
[23:49] <sarnold> billybigrigger: yeah it's been default enabled since 16.04 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/Features/Historical
[23:52] <Guest41> yeah the question I have is why is it restarting networking now when it never did before
[23:53] <sarnold> Guest41: that sounds more like needrestart
[23:55] <Guest41> sarnold: yes it does doesn't it. but I swear I removed it when I setup the 22.04 servers, but it looks like it reinstalled itself somehow
[23:56] <sarnold> Guest41: that's probably worth a bug report. I've found needrestart really obnoxious, I wish it reported only
[23:57] <Guest41> how did you go about disabling it?
[23:58] <Guest41> I deleted /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99needrestart but it looks like it was automatically restore
[23:59] <sarnold> heh, it's purged on a few of my machines, but the machine where it annoyed me the most, that machine isn't even network reachable right now?!? sheehs
[23:59] <sarnold> it's got a configuration file with loads of options
[23:59] <sarnold> way too many options, way too verbose file, and stupidly complex