[00:00] <sarnold> look at /etc/needrestart/needrestart.conf and see what you can find
[00:06] <Guest41> so you would recommend just editing the conf and you don't think it'll ever get replaced?
[00:10] <sarnold> i'm not entirely sure; on the one hand, editing the config is probably the safest option. on the other hand, on the machines that I have easy access to, I appear to have purged it.
[00:13] <Guest41> would anyone know if you can just to chmod -w on a file to prevent apt from updating it?
[00:15] <sarnold> Guest41: that won't help. dpkg runs with root privieges, and root isn't bound by those rules
[00:15] <sarnold> Guest41: rm prompting if you really want to delete is just a nicety from rm; write permission on a file isn't needed to unlink the file and stick a new one in its place
[00:17] <billybigrigger> well smb is working on a fresh 22.04 vm
[00:17] <billybigrigger> plex now doesn't want to see /reds :(
[00:17] <billybigrigger> at least i can connect to it from win11
[00:22] <Guest41> sarnold what about dpkg-divert --divert /tmp/99needrestart --rename /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99needrestart , just found this from googling
[00:23] <sarnold> Guest41: that sure has the feel of something that'd work, yeah
[00:28] <empireunix> wow hello
[00:28] <empireunix> is anyone there who has been through depression b4?
[00:29] <empireunix> ever since I switched to Ubuntu, I have been suicidal
[00:33] <kucklehead> I got a broken grub installation and I am currently chrooting my broken ubuntu machine with arch linux. It is broken because I moved my efi boot partition from /boot to /boot/efi and I can't figure out why.
[00:52] <kucklehead> Can I bind /boot or mount boot somewhere else. How would I do that exactly?
[01:19] <zachf> in case anyone's curious, I got Ubuntu booting and running on the mac mini. Turned out that I needed to let the installer install grub to the boot drive (some online info indicated it should be launched without the grub install, and I was worried grub would overwrite rEFInd). Then when the machine did a boot loop (I guess maybe grub doesn't work on that hardware?), I held down option and was able to choose to boot from macOS using
[01:19] <zachf>  the macOS bootloader. Then I installed rEFInd from macOS, and after a reboot rEFInd did see the Ubuntu partition as an available option to which to boot.
[01:19] <sarnold> zachf: woooow. that's involved.
[01:20] <sarnold> zachf: thanks for reporting back
[01:22] <zachf> forgot to mention I had to install rEFInd via macOS, made a big DOS partition using disk utility, then booted to Ubuntu Live and changed the DOS partition to ext4 using gpartd. Then I ran the installer to that ext4 partition and found that it wasn't selectable for boot in rEFInd (probably because I hadn't installed grub and whatever otherwise labels the partition as bootable). Then I went to ubuntu live and did the install again but
[01:22] <zachf>  with it installing grub. Then booted to macos and reinstalled rEFInd.
[01:23] <zachf> Tha's the short version
[01:23] <zachf> wifi isn't working but I don't plan to use it
[01:23] <sarnold> cripes, no wifi either? :(
[01:24] <zachf> I think that's pretty normal for macs with broadcom wifi chips, it's closed-source. Gotta go grab the wifi firmware out of macOS (which I can't mount from Ubuntu), and it's just not a priority for me at the moment since I'll be hooking the thing up via ethernet and it'll live in a cupboard.
[01:32] <billybigrigger> anyone here have a plex library that's in a zfs dataset?
[01:32] <billybigrigger> even just a zfs pool period
[01:32] <billybigrigger> when i go to plex to add a folder i see proc then root, i should see /reds in there
[01:33] <billybigrigger> drwxrwxrwx 10 don  don  11 Mar  8 17:14 reds
[01:33] <billybigrigger> it exists, but plex can't see it?
[01:33] <billybigrigger> i can access it from windows over smb/cifs just fine...
[01:35] <billybigrigger> man, so many issues with ubuntu today, lol, i've never ran into this problem with plex or the samba issue i was having earlier....this is all on a fresh 22.04 LTS install btw
[01:35] <sarnold> I've got a few zfs pools: a single-drive pool on my laptop, a four-drive raidz1 of ssds, a nine-drive pool of three 3-way mirrors
[01:35] <kucklehead> Welcome to the club dude
[01:36] <matsaman> billybigrigger: you've used plex for a while?
[01:36] <billybigrigger> ya
[01:36] <arraybolt3> billybigrigger: Plex is notorious for having permission issues.
[01:36] <billybigrigger> haven't installed it fresh in a long time though
[01:36] <matsaman> see when I first used plex, I thought to myself "if I add media to the media share, I will then be able to use Plex to watch it"
[01:36] <billybigrigger> so the only difference i see, is that everything on / is owned by root, where /reds is owned by don
[01:36] <arraybolt3> Are you using the Snap of Plex?
[01:36] <matsaman> but no =)
[01:37] <billybigrigger> yes, plex snap
[01:37] <matsaman> you've got to manually tell it to refresh its media
[01:37] <arraybolt3> Yeah that's probably the problem. Snaps aren't able to see a lot of folders by design.
[01:37] <matsaman> as if a person would ever want a different behavior than existent media to be shown
[01:37] <billybigrigger> ahhhhhhh
[01:37] <arraybolt3> I'd uninstall the Snap and install the actual Plex app from Plex themselves.
[01:37] <billybigrigger> lol matsaman
[01:37] <matsaman> snaps are pretty idiotic
[01:37] <arraybolt3> (Snap security features are neat, but they can be a pain sometimes.)
[01:37] <billybigrigger> 10-4 guys
[01:37] <matsaman> features, or holes? =P
[01:37] <arraybolt3> matsaman: Heh, depends on your use case I suppose.
[01:38] <billybigrigger> bsd user here, i just remember reading articles years about flatpak vs snap, and i thought snap won, and stupidly i thought everything has just moved to them :D
[01:38] <matsaman> was using minidlna but the system I was playing from couldn't figure out subtitles
[01:38] <matsaman> need a better alternative to plex in that regard
[01:38] <billybigrigger> good ol .debs still rule the ubuntu world eh? :P
[01:38] <leftyfb> billybigrigger: bind mount your directory to somewhere accessible. Like /mnt/reds/ or /media/reds/
[01:38] <matsaman> snap is an exclusively Ubuntu thing
[01:38] <matsaman> it'll die like every exclusively Ubuntu thing
[01:38] <leftyfb> matsaman: no it's not. snaps work fine on other distros as well
[01:39] <matsaman> flatpak is distro agnostic, but will also die, because it's contrary to any kind of sense
[01:39] <billybigrigger> im sure they work, wether they were adopted or not, dif story :P
[01:39] <arraybolt3> Can we not have a Snap flame war in the middle of a support session?
[01:39] <matsaman> leftyfb: yeah and so will apt and other things that won't ever be a thing
[01:39] <leftyfb> snap is also distro-agonstic
[01:39] <matsaman> it isn't =P
[01:39] <leftyfb> it is
[01:39] <arraybolt3> Just because sometimes it doesn't work well for some use cases or it requires workarounds for security reasons doesn't mean we need to have an explosion.
[01:39] <matsaman> it's developed by Ubuntu's developers
[01:39] <arraybolt3> !ot | matsaman
[01:40] <kucklehead> Aight wish me luck
[01:40] <kucklehead> Let's see if it works
[01:40] <leftyfb> matsaman: half of linux apps are developed by redhat developers, are those exclusive to redhat?
[01:40] <matsaman> arraybolt3: sorry, snaps being a useless pile is frequently relevant, as has just been shown
[01:40] <leftyfb> matsaman: keep it to yourself
[01:40] <matsaman> suck an egg
[01:41] <arraybolt3> And now we have Code of Conduct violations too.
[01:41] <matsaman> arraybolt3: keep it to yourself!
[01:41]  * matsaman chuckles
[01:44] <leftyfb> billybigrigger: a bind mount would solve your issue. Or just change the location of the mount from /reds to /mnt/reds or /media/reds
[01:44] <kucklehead> See what happens when you don't wish someone good luck? It doeesn't work lol
[01:47] <billybigrigger> i just installed from repo
[01:47] <billybigrigger> the plex snap def didn't have permissions
[01:47] <billybigrigger> yall rock, ty again for the assist :P
[01:48] <leftyfb> billybigrigger: mind you, applications installed from 3rd party repo's aren't supported here
[01:48] <arraybolt3> Meh, Plex itself isn't supported even from Snap.
[01:49] <arraybolt3> Though Snap was the issue here, and there are two workarounds that are both about equally supported.
[01:49] <leftyfb> not exactly, but suggesting things like a bind mount to allow it to see the directory is supported
[01:50] <sarnold> Thu 09 01:40:46 < matsaman> suck an egg
[01:53] <billybigrigger> is that a cool runnings reference?
[01:53] <billybigrigger> nvm, "Sanka, kiss my egg" is the line :P
[03:04] <lubuntu> hey
[03:11] <arraybolt3> lubuntu: o/
[03:14] <lubuntu> :C==3
[03:46] <tomreyn> lubuntu: please put your genitals elsewhere, this is a support channel.
[04:08] <jhutchins> We tolerate mybalzitch
[04:08] <jhutchins> This channel's standards are inconsistent, to say the least.
[04:18] <tomreyn> jhutchins: if you would like to discuss channel management, let's do it in #ubuntu-ops ?
[04:50] <luna__> I have this acer which is an I5 like the dell but s l oo w e r. It has mate. Is mate slower than "standard" ubuntu gui?  I would like ot add the standard one as a DE alternative. I DONT KNOW what to call it. How do I load that DE?  Thanks.
[04:54] <luna__> OH FIE I AM MORGAN
[05:03] <alkisg> MATE is faster than the standard Ubuntu GUI, which is called GNOME
[05:05] <morgan-acer> OK then this computer mus be much slower, both are i5.  this is bonkers.
[05:06] <sarnold> are these the machines where one had a cpu that was like 10% the speed of the other one?
[05:18] <akik> morgan-acer: what problem do you have? cpu, hdd?
[05:19] <akik> oh it's luna :)
[05:21] <akik> i like mate on older computers
[05:45] <star_> hi
[05:46] <star_> am i connected correctly,you guys can here me ?
[05:47] <cats3d_1> in space no one can hear you scream
[05:47] <star_> hear
[05:47] <arraybolt3> star_: We can see you.
[05:47] <arraybolt3> Also, welcome to the Ubuntu support channel!
[05:47] <guiverc> star_, ask your Ubuntu support question & people will answer if they're able to
[05:47] <star_> wow , i figure out that linux world is awesome
[05:48] <arraybolt3> :)
[05:48] <star_> tanks , bye
[05:48] <cats3d_1> lol
[05:58] <Guest45> hi
[05:59] <star_> hello
[06:16] <theorem> so, what could be happening to have an interface come online with DHCP, but NOT get any DNS servers ?
[06:19] <tomreyn> were there recent news of a nuclear blast? if not, it'll be one of the other 999 possible reasons.
[06:20] <arraybolt3> theorem: I think your router is usually supposed to act as a DNS server.
[06:21] <arraybolt3> theorem: Perhaps something's gone awry with systemd-resolved?
[06:21] <theorem> yes, it's something in systemd-resolvd
[06:21] <theorem> I do not have this utility "systemd-resolve"
[06:21] <theorem> but I do have systemd-resolved running
[06:22] <arraybolt3> Can you run in a terminal "cat /etc/resolv.conf | nc termbin.com 9999" and send the link that spits out?
[06:22] <theorem> yep, that's what I checked first, it directly points to the local machine
[06:23] <theorem> oh -- well
[06:23] <theorem> I can;t resolve the address
[06:23] <theorem> so , uh, I have to just paste it here
[06:23] <arraybolt3> theorem: PLEASE DON'T PASTE THE WHOLE FILE INTO THE CHAT
[06:23] <theorem> nameserver 127.0.0.53
[06:23] <arraybolt3> (That will trigger an anti-flooding bot.)
[06:23] <theorem> arraybolt3: of course not :)
[06:23] <arraybolt3> Ah, OK.
[06:23] <arraybolt3> Alright that's weird. Hold on...
[06:23] <theorem> I wasn't born yesterday
[06:23] <theorem> ;-P
[06:24] <arraybolt3> You'd be surprised how many people do that, though come to think of it I've seen you here before.
[06:24] <theorem> see, I really do like /etc/network/interfaces
[06:24] <theorem> I have this in there
[06:24] <theorem> auto enp59s0f0
[06:24] <theorem> iface enp59s0f0 inet dhcp
[06:24] <arraybolt3> I don't even have that folder on my system.
[06:25] <theorem> bunch of other stuff in there, but it is commented and/or unrelated
[06:25] <arraybolt3> What version and flavor of Ubuntu are you using?
[06:25] <theorem> 22.04
[06:25] <arraybolt3> Hmm, ok so my resolv.conf also points to 127.0.0.53.
[06:25] <arraybolt3> So, ok lemme do some more digging...
[06:25] <theorem> I made some serious leaps forward 16.04 - 18.04 -> 20.04 -> 22.04
[06:26] <theorem> just did 18.04 --> 22.04 yesterday
[06:26] <arraybolt3> theorem: What's the output of `resolvectl status`?
[06:27] <theorem> the connected interface is missing in the list
[06:27] <arraybolt3> I would expect it to show that your system is using a nameserver of 192.168.0.1.
[06:27] <arraybolt3> Eh? OK well that's the problem.
[06:27] <theorem> my nameserver is the router, which is 192.168.2.1
[06:27] <arraybolt3> This might be silly, but try "sudo systemctl restart systemd-resolved" and see what happens.
[06:27] <theorem> so -- why is the primary interface missing here ?
[06:28] <theorem> arraybolt3: have done reboots, doubt that'll fix it, but will try ..
[06:28] <theorem> same issue
[06:28] <arraybolt3> theorem: (re: why is the primary interface missing) No clue, that's what we're going to try and figure out.
[06:28] <theorem> where does systemd-resolv store it's config ?
[06:28] <arraybolt3> OK so /etc/network/interfaces is part of ifupdown it looks like.
[06:29] <tomreyn> note that configuring networking by means of /etc/network/interfaces has been deprecated since at least 18.04 LTS, maybe 16.04. it may no longer be (fully) supported
[06:29] <theorem> arraybolt3: yes, I do love it -- I am disappointed to see it go , I don't particularly love netplan ..
[06:29] <theorem> oh really
[06:29] <arraybolt3> I think under /run/systemd/resolve.
[06:29] <theorem> wow. ok then ..
[06:29] <theorem> guess I have no choice then
[06:29] <alkisg> Any interfaces declared in /etc/network/interfaces are automatically NOT managed by network-manager
[06:29] <alkisg> You can use ifupdown, network-manager, systemd-networkd, the last two can also be driven by netplan. ALL of these options are still supported
[06:30] <arraybolt3> But you probably can't use ifupdown and NetworkManager together.
[06:30] <alkisg> Select one option, and we'll help you do it
[06:30] <theorem> no, I prefer not to use NetWorkManager
[06:30] <alkisg> You can, but interfaces in ifupdown won't be managed by nm; the rest, will be
[06:30] <theorem> I just think it's a silly overlay to pretty good tools already.
[06:30] <arraybolt3> alkisg: I think we may be misunderstanding - sytemd-resolved and systemd-networkd are different.
[06:30] <alkisg> That's netplan
[06:30] <theorem> but I digress ..
[06:30] <alkisg> While network-manager is the underlying tool that netplan uses
[06:30] <arraybolt3> resolved works with NM (and I would think should work wiht ifupdown).
[06:31] <arraybolt3> networkd is a whole different thing.
[06:31] <alkisg> arraybolt3: network configuration comes first; resolving comes later
[06:31] <theorem> ifupdown I am pretty sure does not use systemd-resolv .. or I would expect it NOT to
[06:31] <alkisg> arraybolt3: I didn't read all the conversation, but I think the first decision would be "which tool to use for networking"
[06:31] <alkisg> E.g. ifupdown has its own stanzas for DNS
[06:31] <arraybolt3> theorem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/systemd/+bug/1823503
[06:31] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1823503 in systemd (Ubuntu) "systemd-resolved ignores /etc/network/interfaces on Ubuntu 18.04" [Undecided, Expired]
[06:32] <arraybolt3> I know this is an expired and invalid bug, but maybe this is the behavior you're seeing?
[06:32] <theorem> this looks exactly right
[06:32] <theorem> I don't specify the resolvers though
[06:32] <theorem> I expect the dhcp server to do that
[06:32] <theorem>  which is dhclient ?
[06:33] <theorem> so, does netplan not use dhclient ?
[06:33] <arraybolt3> I *thought* DHCP and DNS were entirely different.
[06:33] <daulphin[m]> My built-in keyboard is not functioning anymore since a little while now... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/5d1a9d8f4080d118d8f5461ead9250ce88342816>)
[06:33] <theorem> DHCP parameters have DNS entries in the,
[06:33] <arraybolt3> DHCP is how you get an IP address, DNS is how your system finds other system's IP addresses.
[06:33] <arraybolt3> Whoa, who just got randomly +q'd?
[06:33] <alkisg> theorem: DNS is received by DHCP; then something needs to apply it; in the old eras, that was done MANUALLY or via resolveconf; then with nm+dnsmasq; now with systemd-resolved
[06:34] <arraybolt3> I see my networking understanding is behind the times.
[06:34] <theorem> that was me it muted.
[06:34] <theorem> I types a semicolon.
[06:34] <theorem> *typed.
[06:34] <arraybolt3> theorem: For some reason the anti-flooding bot decided you were ytping too fast :P Unsure why, everything looked right to me.
[06:34] <theorem> ;
[06:35] <arraybolt3> ;
[06:35] <theorem> well, I type fast.
[06:35]  * arraybolt3 kicks Drone
[06:35] <theorem> Please don't flood; use https://dpaste.com/ to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:35]  * theorem rolls eyes 
[06:35] <tomreyn> pressing enter less would have prevented it.
[06:36]  * arraybolt3 presses Enter a lot
[06:36] <arraybolt3> Anyway, whatever. Back to the topic at hand.
[06:36] <theorem> tomreyn: all my words were sentences.  I jsut had small sentences.
[06:36] <theorem> yes, anyway.
[06:36] <theorem> ok l, let me test with dhclient to make sure it does NOT set resolv.conf
[06:37] <arraybolt3> theorem: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/714901/dns-broken-when-using-ifupdown-and-systemd-resolved-after-upgrade-to-ubuntu-22-0
[06:37] <arraybolt3> You just mentioned going from 18.04 to 20.04 to 22.04, this looks quite relevant.
[06:37] <tomreyn> theorem: i didn't mean to blame you for accidentially triggering the bot. but yes, you can type more than one sentence on a line. this is an example. but i agree it's not something most of us are used to.
[06:37] <alkisg> theorem: (grep -r . /etc/network/interfaces* /etc/netplan* /etc/resolv.conf; nmcli; ls -l /etc/resolv.conf) | nc termbin.com 9999 ==> will give us all the necessary information if you wish
[06:37] <theorem> woah, that might be it exactly
[06:37] <theorem> le me check
[06:38] <theorem> I have to fix my resolv.conf , then I can run that
[06:38] <theorem> 1 moment
[06:38] <tomreyn> termbin resolves to 5.39.93.71 by the way
[06:38]  * arraybolt3 will never remember that despite the fact that it looks useful
[06:39]  * tomreyn neither, looked it up
[06:39] <tomreyn> daulphin[m]: if the keyboard also stopped working on the bios, this means it must be a hardware or firmware issue
[06:39] <theorem> alkisg: looks like a syntax error in there , trying to fix ..
[06:40] <theorem> fixed
[06:40] <theorem> https://termbin.com/6egsd
[06:40] <arraybolt3> \o/
[06:40] <tomreyn> daulphin[m]: note, however, that password fields can be a bad way to test whether a keyboard works, because sometimes they will just not print anything when you type, on purpose.
[06:41] <tomreyn> daulphin[m]: maybe you have another place in the bios where you can enter text and test it?
[06:41] <hao> I have been ignoring this warning of dconf for several weeks, when I open a gui app in terminal, the dconf complain as https://bpa.st/KRNUS, search result suggest do a `dconf update`, but this didn't fix this warning. Although the apps are behavior is normal, but I'd like to see those warning disappear.
[06:42] <arraybolt3> hao: Did this used to not happen?
[06:42] <hao> I'm on Ubuntu22.10, also I have the flatapp/Software Store uninstalled, don't know whether it has anything to do with these warning.
[06:43] <hao> arraybolt3, I cannot really remember, but in my memory, a fresh install of Ubuntu doesn't have this problem.
[06:43] <tomreyn> hao: while i don't nkow about this specific one, note that especially graphical tools, especially in gnome land, tend to write a lot of warnings and informational messages to stdout. i would not worry about non errors
[06:43] <alkisg> theorem: how is your eno0 connection managed? It's not in interfaces, and nm says it's "connected externally". Is it connected to something like docker or virt-manager?
[06:43] <arraybolt3> I wouldn't even worry about errors if the app is behaving itself normally.
[06:44] <theorem> I don't think I have an an0 at all
[06:44] <arraybolt3> I've seen so many "CRITICAL ERROR" things from GNOME apps that were working perfectly fine.
[06:44] <theorem> *en0
[06:44] <theorem> I think my machine pre-dated a kernel that got all specific with the interface names
[06:44] <alkisg> eno0: connected (externally) to eno0, 	inet4 192.168.2.66/24
[06:44] <alkisg> theorem: output of: ip a | nc termbin.com 9999
[06:45] <arraybolt3> theorem: Interestingly, I see "enp59s0f1" in there, I wonder if somehow that's "aliased" (or whatever) to eno0?
[06:45] <theorem> eno0 is the long interface name : enp59s0f0
[06:45] <arraybolt3> (In the termbin output pasted previously.)
[06:45] <theorem> but ifconfig only sees "enp59s0f0"
[06:45] <theorem> enp59s0f1 is another interface
[06:45] <theorem> a real one
[06:45] <theorem> there's nothing connected to it
[06:45] <arraybolt3> :shrug: Wonder why it would go with a different name.
[06:46] <alkisg> An udev rule
[06:46] <theorem> there wasa kernel upgrade that added names that were more descriptive
[06:46] <theorem> this was a few years ago
[06:46] <alkisg> I think 16.04 still used persistent udev rules, if someone is still left, it'll still work
[06:46] <alkisg> grep -r . /etc/udev/rules.d | nc termbin.com 9999, will tell us about the name
[06:47] <alkisg> While the ip a would tell us about the aliases
[06:47] <theorem> I modified the resolv setup file accordingly -- rebooted -- probably should have checked to see if it ran .. but I rebooted nonetheless ..
[06:47] <theorem> need a couple minutes, might have borked myself ..
[06:47] <alkisg> Your /etc/resolv.conf is currently managed by resolveconf
[06:48] <theorem> fixed.
[06:48] <theorem> this is the problem
[06:48] <theorem> exactly
[06:48] <theorem> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/714901/dns-broken-when-using-ifupdown-and-systemd-resolved-after-upgrade-to-ubuntu-22-0
[06:48] <alkisg> This is OK if you decide that you want to keep using ifupdown, but it means you shouldn't be manually editing it
[06:48] <theorem> the quotes
[06:50] <hao> arraybolt3, I normally dont bother, either. But this few days I'm trying a 'via' keyboard key-mapper application, it behave abnormally, failing to open files to save my config, so I thought I'd like to see those dconf warning gone to factor out the possibility of dconf causing the "abnormality".
[06:50] <theorem> yep, ok then.  I am going to mark this one down as fixed.
[06:50] <theorem> thanks !!!
[06:51] <arraybolt3> hao: Those warnings don't seem likely to cause a problem like what you're mentioning. Is "via" a program you got from the Ubuntu repos?
[06:52] <hao> also, I remember I followed a blog post to backup dconf config in my dotfiles, basically I've done this: https://bpa.st/AJV4E
[06:53] <theorem> maybe you guys know this one too
[06:53] <hao> arraybolt3, nope, installed it with dpkg, downloaded the .deb file from their github repo.
[06:53] <theorem> every time I start chrome in a vnc session, it has me "choose password for new keyring"  because there is no "Default keyring"
[06:53] <theorem> but ... how is that possible ?
[06:55] <arraybolt3> hao: Hmm. Sadly, that would mean it's third-party software, and we aren't able to support third-party software here.
[06:55] <arraybolt3> hao: If you're using the latest version of the app, and you see the developers are active, you might be able to make a bug report.
[07:02] <alkisg> theorem: inside your vnc session, run:  (loginctl list-sessions; loginctl show-session c2; ls -l ~/.local/share/keyrings) | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:02] <alkisg> replace "c2" with the one that was shown by the first command
[07:02] <hao> arraybolt3, I'm actually aiming for the dconf warnings, but alright I can let it go (again), dconf does seem not the issue if other apps are behave normally.
[07:03] <theorem> it seems that I do not have a "~/.local/share/keyrings"
[07:04] <theorem> no such file or directory
[07:04] <theorem> I do have sehorse open now and I am looking into it ..
[07:05] <theorem> I do not have a "Passwords" section of seahorse in that VNC session, oddly ..
[07:05] <theorem> on an Ubuntu 22.10 machine I have "Passwords"  and a "Login" folder
[07:06] <tomreyn> hao: do you get these dconf warnings immediately wheny you run nautilus from a terminal (doesn't happen on my 22.04 LTS VM, with a fairly standard configuration), or when you do something specific in nautilus?
[07:06] <hao> tomreyn, immediately
[07:07] <alkisg> theorem: what about the output of loginctl?
[07:07] <theorem> yep, ok then.  I am going to mark this one down as fixed.SESSION  UID USER   SEAT TTY  5 2001 beadon      pts/0
[07:07] <tomreyn> hao: hmm, okay, so that'll be either due to changes you made or due to 22.10 being different than 22.04.
[07:07] <theorem> whoops
[07:07] <theorem> bad paste
[07:08] <theorem> 5 2001 beadon      pts/0
[07:08] <theorem> that's just the single session
[07:09] <alkisg> theorem: we're interested in the "Active=yes/no" line
[07:09] <alkisg> loginctl show-session c2 | grep Active
[07:09] <alkisg> Active=yes
[07:10] <theorem> yes, I see that
[07:10] <theorem> it is Active=yess
[07:10] <theorem> for session 5.
[07:10] <theorem> which is me
[07:10] <alkisg> So your remote vnc session is considered active? OK good, then it sounds like a launcher issue; do you run a full session? How do you launch vnc?
[07:11] <theorem> I start it with vncserver from the ssh session
[07:11] <theorem> then I connect direct to the server with tigervnc
[07:11] <theorem> skipping the ssh encryption for now
[07:11] <alkisg> That means you're missing all the necessary variables that DMs generate
[07:12] <theorem> let me check my xstartup ..
[07:12] <alkisg> If you're just interested in a single session, it might be easier to make it a local real session, and connect to that one over ssh
[07:12] <theorem> hmm,, I had commented out
[07:12] <theorem> #dbus-launch --exit-with-session gnome-session &
[07:13] <theorem> might need this one ?
[07:13] <alkisg> Sure
[07:13] <alkisg> Although systemd should probably create a DBUS nowadays
[07:13] <alkisg> But if you're going to re-create a DM using your xstartup script, it'll be a long road
[07:15] <theorem> negative , now I get an extra message
[07:15] <theorem> Authentication is required to create a color managed device
[07:15] <theorem> right at startup, hmm
[07:15] <alkisg> Personally I'm not interested in helping with THAT route; if you wish help in a normal DM-based route, I'll be glad to help
[07:15] <alkisg> Even the nodm display manager maintainer gave up on that route
[07:16] <theorem> ok, I am going to drop this for now, getting too lae.
[07:16] <theorem> sounds like a windmill for another day ..
[07:40] <morgan-acer> akik, I dont know that much or how to tell. I can tell it is much slower than the dell.  -- I have to sleep so I will ask again, tomorrow.
[07:42] <akik> morgan-acer: do you have a hdd or ssd?
[07:43] <akik> morgan-acer: because using a hdd on my imac was _sluggish_
[07:46] <Guest57> ubuntu server
[09:04] <nb-ben> I've this PXE boot setup for diskless computers in a classroom, they basically boot into a debootstrapped ubuntu and use overlayroot, and startx into an electron app that allows them access to some educational sites and music. I want the cookie data etc of electron to be persisted per machine (we provide accounts for deezer and such, so don't have to log in each time)
[09:05] <nb-ben> so I figured I can mount an nfs directory per computer based on say its installation UUID or mac address and use it for the datadir of electron.
[09:06] <nb-ben> my issue is, say I export a /srv/machine share, and new computer is added to the network, how do I make it so that when it tries to access /srv/machine/<mac_address>, that subdirectory is created automatically
[09:07] <nb-ben> what I would have liked is for that machine to be able to write to that path and have it created if it doesn't exist. What would you guys suggest?
[10:03] <hassletime> can i ask install question here?
[10:03] <hassletime> about installing programs
[10:03] <hassletime> ill ask and see what happens
[10:03] <hassletime> so in terminal
[10:04] <alexmercerind> hassletime: what questions do you have?
[10:05] <hassletime> say i want to install a VM software like virtual machine. i would do sudo apt install virtual machine but the program isnt exactly called that.so how do you know what the install word is do you have to search the internet and find out of is there some sort of index or something
[10:06] <hassletime> where does one look to find the name of the software its going to be called?
[10:06] <alexmercerind> Yeah the best idea will be to know about any program name first. Maybe you can google. QEMU is widely used AFAIK
[10:07] <alexmercerind> Otherwise as you said, you can also search with:
[10:07] <alexmercerind> sudo apt search query
[10:07] <alexmercerind> It will search in various packages' name & description AFAIK.
[10:30] <mei> ubuntu on arm is official right? it seems to be using special repositories. they are less mirrored and https not teven there
[10:33] <arraybolt3> mei: Ubuntu on ARM is official.
[10:34] <arraybolt3> ports.ubuntu.com is an official Ubuntu.com address, if that's where you're getting packages from.
[10:34] <arraybolt3> And HTTPS is unnecessary for apt and is usually not used.
[10:35] <arraybolt3> (apt has other mechanisms for ensuring that downloads are *unmodified*, so HTTPS would only serve to obscure what you were downloading. And since you're downloading publicly-available packages with no sensitive data, there's no need to obscure it.)
[10:36] <arraybolt3> Yeah, I see both arm64 and armhf packages are being served by ports.ubuntu.com.
[10:38] <mei> why they are kept on a separate repository?
[10:38] <mei> that only made the mirrors ignore them
[10:41] <mei> anyway https support is there and many mirrors have it enabled
[10:43] <mei> one thing is not enabling it by default, another is denying it
[10:48] <arraybolt3> mei: No clue why it's on a different repo.
[10:53] <hassletime> thanks alexmercerind
[10:59] <mei> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/PackageArchive#Ports
[10:59] <mei> "These are provided only on ports.ubuntu.com, and are not generally available on the mirror network. This decision is made on the basis of levels of use; mirrors on the mirror network only have so much space available, and so we only designate as primary those architectures which have very high download rates."
[11:56] <c-nisterio> hey guys. I am about ro repair my encraypted lvm ubuntu... with sysresc 9.0.6. AND as it seems, this "on usb installed" live os does not expose sys and proc etc.... HOW then can I chroot properly ?
[12:00] <akik> c-nisterio: expose? like they are not mounted in /sys and /proc ?
[12:02] <akik> c-nisterio: mount -t proc proc /proc
[12:03] <akik> c-nisterio: mount mount -t sysfs sysfs /sys
[12:03] <akik> oops one mount too many
[12:04] <c-nisterio> yes,. they simply are not there
[12:04] <akik> so try to mount them
[12:04] <c-nisterio> any reason, why that live distro does not do it automatically ?
[12:05] <akik> c-nisterio: no idea
[12:05] <c-nisterio> any other known reasons, WHY anyone should omit that ?
[12:08] <c-nisterio> since they are not mounted inside the bootable live media, there is no reason to rbind them, i can definietely directly mount them for my chroot environment, I suppose ???
[12:17] <akik> c-nisterio: try and find out :)
[13:50] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:48] <PeGaSuS> hello guys. so, after stupidly and blindly running this script - https://0bin.xyz/?9c2ba1d813888121#CZkcZCT2qC7WccZ1gMsL5w7Tv3Kmcw9QNQR7Q2ytDD4j - to try to install a IRC client named AdiIRC on my PC (natively build for Windows but it was supposed to work fine with WINE), from time to time my system enters on read-only mode and I have absolutely no idea why. here's the dmesg output since boot until
[14:48] <PeGaSuS> the I've noticed the system was entered on read-only mode: https://0bin.xyz/?7d9d564c4fd179ad#C84moxYyJvrmVXcpdHgnXteYZzoZB61szjPQvuB1CfBY
[14:50] <PeGaSuS> I'd like to know if I'm forced to reinstall my system again to get rid of this weird issue. not that I want to, but if there's not other choice, then let it be
[14:50] <Habbie> PeGaSuS, your first paste appears to be empty
[14:50] <PeGaSuS> let it load.. :)
[14:50] <Habbie> please use a better pastebin
[14:51] <PeGaSuS> the scirpt has like 24K lines
[14:51] <PeGaSuS> script*
[15:01] <jhutchins> PeGaSuS: I think a clean build is probabl7 a good idea.
[15:02] <jhutchins> With so many good OS IRC clients available, running one under WINE is just silly.
[15:02] <jhutchins> IRC was an OS system to begin with.
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> depends on the users needs
[15:04] <kartoffelkarl> hi folks! :)
[15:04] <jhutchins> I doubt there's anything in a Windows client other than the ability to run without an open OS.
[15:05] <kartoffelkarl> I use ubuntu budgie. very fine
[15:10] <PeGaSuS> well, I guess I'll reinstall everything tomorrow
[15:13] <yolo> "libhwloc-dev : Depends: libhwloc15 (= 2.7.0-2) but 2.7.0-2ubuntu1 is to be installed" how to debug this? the version looks like the same to me
[15:14] <yolo> qtbase5-dev : Depends: libqt5concurrent5 (= 5.15.3+dfsg-2) but 5.15.3+dfsg-2ubuntu0.2 is to be installed  -- similar problem
[15:18] <jhutchins> yolo: Do you have any files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d?
[15:18] <lvsmmusic> Ubuntu kernels are compiled using gcc or clang or llvm?
[15:21] <driador> good morning all.  Can anyone tell me if there's an issue with apparmor on ubuntu 22.04?  I can set a profile to complain mode (eg, aa-complain /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.clamd) and see that it's set via aa-status, but if I reboot and then view aa-status, it no longer shows as in complain mode
[15:21] <driador> or is there something I'm missing here to make it persist
[15:23] <jhutchins> driador: Isn't there a file somewhere like /etc that contains the default mode?
[15:24] <driador> truth be told, I'm not sure.  I don't see it on the page for apparmor unless I'm skimming over it
[15:27] <yolo> jhutchins: quite a list there
[15:28] <jhutchins> yolo: You probably have conflicting sources.
[15:28] <yolo> thanks for the pointer! will start debugging from there.
[15:29] <jhutchins> yolo: Something like strip it back to just the official repos, then add your ppas one at a time.
[16:48] <taeaad> Since the recent string of updates on 22.04 I've been getting some serious memory issues. Most of the time my memory is at >90%, even with most applications closed. Is this a known issue?
[16:49] <taeaad> It is also not filling memory to optimise performance in any sensible way, since it creates lagging that I never experienced before.
[16:53] <jhutchins> taeaad: If you google "linux ate my ram" you'll get more than a million pages explaining that that's just how Linux works.  The ram  is there to be used, Linux uses it.
[16:55] <taeaad> jhutchins: OK, but why didn't this happen two weeks ago. I always keep close tabs on my memory usage.
[16:57] <akik> jhutchins: what if the amount of memory that is shown in used column, can't be found in free, buff/cache and available?
[16:59] <jhutchins> akik: Aliens.
[16:59] <akik> taeaad: can you paste free output ?
[17:01] <taeaad> akik: Which utility should I use?
[17:03] <akik> taeaad: command is: free | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:04] <akik> taeaad: that'll give you an url where the output of free is stored
[17:06] <taeaad> Hmm. I wonder if glances is not accurate. https://termbin.com/k3ndv
[17:07] <taeaad> But then the reason for lagging when I don't have many applications open is still strange to me.
[17:07] <taeaad> I've heard that htop is not accurate under some circumstances.
[17:08] <taeaad> According to free, there is more than 50% available, if I read it correctly.
[17:08] <akik> taeaad: there's that 4.5 gigs in buff/cache ready to use
[17:08] <akik> taeaad: what programs do you have open?
[17:09] <akik> also the free+available is about 700 megs
[17:09] <taeaad> akik: Emacs, Firefox, Python instance in terminal without large vars
[17:09] <akik> firefox is a memory HOG
[17:10] <taeaad> I am still baffled why it's bad enough to cause GUI lagging. Maybe Firefox update and/or Linux updates?
[17:10] <akik> taeaad: do you have an ssd?
[17:10] <taeaad> Yes.
[17:11] <akik> taeaad: i've used these two sysctls on every linux machine i use: vm.swappiness = 1
[17:11] <akik> vm.vfs_cache_pressure = 150
[17:12] <akik> you can change them live with sysctl -w
[17:12] <voltx23> you need also to describe the rate of mm consumption.
[17:12] <akik> i think it's then "sysctl -w vm.swappiness=1" and "sysctl -w vm.vfs_cache_pressure=150"
[17:13] <taeaad> Awesome, let me try that. I see it's recommended for Hadoop clusters, too.
[17:14] <taeaad> Do I need to reboot?
[17:14] <akik> taeaad: no
[17:15] <akik> taeaad: there are some other sysctls too
[17:15] <akik> well quite many but related to memory management
[17:15] <akik> taeaad: can you link me to that hadoop document?
[17:16] <taeaad> akik: https://docs.cloudera.com/cloudera-manager/7.2.2/managing-clusters/topics/cm-setting-vmswappiness-linux-kernel-parameter.html
[17:16] <akik> thanks
[17:18] <taeaad> akik: Thanks, hopefully this helps. I notice some of the Ubuntu updates are still rolling out, so I'll give it a bit of time.
[17:18] <taeaad> voltx23: What is rate of mm consumption?
[17:20] <akik> taeaad: i'll paste the other sysctls too for you but you'd need to test the values suitable to your system
[17:21] <akik> taeaad: https://paste.linux.chat/?4c71b958a762fcc6#13AknCjeLfy1Gv29EjjNrgJQNNnemhuRbaesYesHRwA8
[17:22] <wuseman> Hey guys, what file keep the settings for the default screenshot tool in Ubuntu 22.04, when I press on printscreen I just can choose a rectangle but not a saving dir.
[17:24] <taeaad> "Linux chat is minimal" but needs JS, hehe :). But thanks for the settings. I'll research a bit to understand this better. Thanks for the help, akik.
[17:25] <toddc> wuseman: pictures
[17:25] <wuseman> toddc: what do you mean by "pictures"? Wich config file is it that keep this setting so I can edit it manually?
[17:27] <akik> taeaad: yea i've got noscript too in firefox and had to trust the site :)
[17:27] <toddc> wuseman: I read it too quick default is pictures 1 sec wile I see if I can find the conf
[17:27] <wuseman> thanks toddc
[17:40] <toddc> wuseman: no current options tho you may try https://askubuntu.com/questions/1403994/how-to-change-the-default-screenshot-folder-in-gnome-42
[17:40] <jhutchins> It helps to remember that the desktop is actually gnome, not "ubuntu".
[17:41] <wuseman> I will do, thanks toddc for trying
[19:20] <webchat39> hi
[19:40] <gildasio> Hi all, I would like some help. I'm studying some things and for that I'm compiling an Ubuntu kernel, but while installing the kernel I got a "/lib/modules ... No space left on device" error. Using `df -h` I found `copymods                           3.6G  3.6G     0 100% /usr/lib/modules` but I'm not familiar with this "copymods". How can I solve this? Resize the partition or what?
[19:43] <tomreyn> do you have a package cloud-initramfs-copymods installed?
[19:44] <tomreyn> how are you compiling the kernel, are you following some guide you want to link to?
[19:45] <tomreyn> 3.6GB storage is generally very little for / if that's the root partition.
[19:45] <gildasio> tomreyn: yeah, I have cloud-initramfs-copymods installed, but didn't remembering when installed it, may be in the normal gui installation process?
[19:45] <tomreyn> if this is a fresh ubuntu server installation you may want to grow the logical volume
[19:46] <gildasio> my / still has 31G free space
[19:46] <tomreyn> and your /usr ?
[19:46] <gildasio> so I'm confused about this copymods thingi
[19:46] <tomreyn> i'm not actually familiar with cloud-initramfs-copymods, i just found it by searching for "copymods"
[19:47] <gildasio> I don't have a separated /usr, but in `df -h` shows a /usr/lib/modules
[19:52] <tomreyn> so that's a file sstem of its own in your case. and it is too small.
[19:53] <tomreyn> you seem to have a special configuration there, because on a standard ubuntu installation, be it desktop or server, you would not have a separate file system mount at /usr/lib/modules
[19:53] <tomreyn> maybe you have a tmpfs mounted there, but that's just a guess.
[19:55] <gildasio> yeah the thing for me is that this /usr/lib/modules mountpoint isn't in any disk partition like /dev/sd.., or in any lvm logical volume neither is a tmpfs
[19:55] <tomreyn> cloud-initramfs-copymods is a package which is apparently installed by default by the "ubuntu server" installer. on the other hand, you referred to a "normal gui installation process", which sounds more like you may have installed some version of ubuntu desktop.
[19:55] <tomreyn> either way, more details will be needed
[19:56] <gildasio> this is a standard ubuntu server installation, when I said "normal gui" it's because I just use the standard options
[19:59] <tomreyn> well, it won't be all standard anymore, since you have a separate file system at /usr/lib/modules
[20:07] <tomreyn> note there is also #ubuntu-server for server specific questions. (but i assume the server team will also ask you about the guide you're following.)
[20:18] <gildasio> thanks tomreyn, I don't know why this /usr/lib/modules has been created. I'm building a new VM so I can compare those
[20:18] <gildasio> I'll reach #ubuntu-server tho, thanks
[21:17] <akik> taeaad: did that sysctl change help with your system?
[21:49] <zmarlow> hi i love linuix
[21:50] <akik> you too? i thought i was alone
[21:50] <zmarlow> ? anyone here
[21:50] <ravage> never heard of linuix
[21:50] <zmarlow> me 3
[21:50] <zmarlow> you new to linuix
[21:50] <akik> nope
[21:51] <zmarlow> or ayou on a difront platform
[21:51] <akik> it's linux
[21:51] <zmarlow> ok
[21:51] <akik> i use linux
[21:51] <akik> i also use windows
[21:51] <zmarlow> dow you have google chrome
[21:51] <akik> almost never i use chrome, mainly firefox
[21:51] <akik> i think i have chrome installed
[21:52] <oerheks> ohhh, you scared him away
[21:52] <akik> :(
[21:52] <ravage> zmarlow: this is the Ubuntu support channel. If you have a support question ask it. If not please use #ubuntu-discuss to talk about Ubuntu in general or #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics. Thanks.
[21:52] <zmarlow> i lost wifi me on laptop
[21:52] <zmarlow> i am back
[21:52] <zmarlow>  
[21:52] <akik> zmarlow: i've had to add dhcp=systemd into /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf when the ip goes missing from the wifi devie
[21:52] <akik> device
[21:53] <akik> then systemctl restart NetworkManager
[21:53] <zmarlow> nice
[21:53] <toddc> zmarlow: who took your wifi?
[21:53] <zmarlow> ha good joke
[21:53] <zmarlow>  
[21:53] <larry_> hi everyone
[21:53] <zmarlow>  
[21:53] <zmarlow>  
[21:53] <zmarlow>  
[21:54] <akik> lost he is, again
[21:54] <oerheks> hi larry_
[21:54] <zmarlow> my wifi is bad
[21:54] <akik> nope, back again
[21:54] <larry_> I made a mistake when i installed mate and messed up my username. is there any way to change it without reinstalling the system ?
[21:55] <zmarlow> i think so
[21:55] <oerheks> one can change username, sure
[21:55] <larry_> hi oerworks
[21:55] <zmarlow> yeap
[21:55] <larry_> how where
[21:55] <akik> larry_: /etc/passwd, /etc/group, /etc/shadow (fix it there), then chown your home dir for the new name/uid
[21:55] <akik> uid and gid
[21:55] <jhutchins> akik: No, changing those manually is not the right way.
[21:56] <akik> jhutchins: it fixes it
[21:56] <akik> once you done goofed
[21:56] <jhutchins> You can use usermod
[21:57] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/a/492919
[21:57] <UBUNTU> whare is mint
[21:57] <mint> hi
[21:57] <mint> UBUNTU
[21:57] <oerheks> UBUNTU, use alis to find their channel, #linuxmint perhaps?
[21:58] <jhutchins> oerheks: That's better, usrmod can be a bit fiddly.
[21:59] <jhutchins> akik: It's best not to make manual changes to system files when there are tools to manage them.
[21:59] <oerheks> mate has a simular option, AFAIK
[21:59] <akik> jhutchins: but you suggested it's the correct way? usermod i mean
[21:59] <jhutchins> akik: It's like manually deleting applications instead of using the package manager.
[21:59] <jhutchins> akik: Usermod: https://linuxtechlab.com/rename-user-in-linux-rename-home-directory/
[22:00] <akik> oerheks: i can't see to which comment that links to
[22:00] <zmarlow09783> hi akik
[22:01] <zmarlow> i am zmarlow in a knew name
[22:01] <akik> who knew
[22:01] <larry_> can't find it in mate... the askubuntu is no good here :(
[22:01] <zmarlow09783> i dont konw
[22:02] <_>  
[22:02] <_>  
[22:02] <_>  
[22:02] <_>  
[22:02] <_>  
[22:02] <_>  
[22:03] <oerheks> stop this silly behaviour, zmarlow, join the #linuxmint channel
[22:04] <larry_> thanks guys, will have a play
[22:05] <zmarlow> sum one join chanal #9
[22:12] <zmarlow> am i alone
[22:12] <zmarlow> ???
[22:12] <zmarlow> ?
[22:12] <sarnold> zmarlow: this is a support channel for ubuntu; it's not for idle sillyness
[22:12] <leftyfb> zmarlow: please go to #ubuntu-offtopic for random chat. This is a support channel
[22:13] <zmarlow> OK
[22:13] <zmarlow> by by
[22:14] <sarnold> bye :)