[00:03] <work> y
[01:47] <Guest81> does anyone have any FOSS home printer recommendations? I looked at openprinting.org and there are alot of options. my current printer I cant find the wifi card to replace. I think it is by design.....
[01:52] <arraybolt3> Guest81: HP printers generally work well in my experience - I have two printers and one scanner that all Just Work with Ubuntu.
[01:53] <arraybolt3> They're all older models but still do their job.
[01:53] <oerheks> avoid canon
[01:53] <Guest81> i have an hp printer now. I cant find the wifi card to replace it... I am trying to adhere to driverless and foss (*cue eye rolls*)
[01:54] <oerheks> replacing wifi hardware? not an ubuntu issue
[02:05] <Guest81> im running ubuntu
[02:05] <Guest81> oerheks
[02:44] <baris> Hi, I have to kill nautilus frequently... How can I debug what may be the problem? 22.04.2
[03:05] <tomreyn> baris: why do you need to kill it - does it freeze? have you tried running it from a terminal, to maybe get to see some warnings when it stops working?
[03:07] <baris> tomreyn, spawned windows show that dialog box ... wait or kill
[03:07] <baris> new windows cannot be spawned at that time
[03:11] <tomreyn> baris: i do not know what "that dialog box is", since it's a GUI application, maybe post some screenshots? you can use imgur.com for example
[03:12] <tomreyn> do you have nautilus / gnomr file plugins installed?
[03:12] <baris> tomreyn, sorry I thought you could remember the dialog, when an app becomes non rsponsive...
[03:12] <tomreyn> *gnome
[03:13] <baris> tomreyn, not sure let me check
[03:13] <tomreyn> right, i know this dialog
[03:13] <tomreyn> does the dialog come up immediately after starting nautilus?
[03:13] <tomreyn> if not, what seems to trigger it?
[03:14] <baris> I just ran it from terminal. I do not have any logs in terminal but the window got non-responsive
[03:14] <baris> I do not have file plugins installed
[03:14] <baris> I have something in syslog, wait
[03:16] <baris> nautilus[286395]: Connecting to org.freedesktop.Tracker3.Miner.Files
[03:16] <baris> does this make sense, I have many lines from nautilus but this is the last
[03:16] <tomreyn> does this line get logged at the same time nautilus freezes?
 does the dialog come up immediately after starting nautilus?
[03:17] <baris> not sure about the first question, I can try the second one
[03:18] <tomreyn> maybe you can reproduce it, and keep a tail -f running on syslog (or journalctl -f)
[03:18] <baris> Answer ias no to the second question. I have tail -F /var/log/syslog open waiting for a freeze
[03:19] <baris> Sorry, no is for the first question...
[03:19] <tomreyn> so it doesn't freeze as a result of interacting with the application but at seemingly random times, without you touching nautilus, too?
[03:19] <baris> It does not immediately print tracker3... stuff
[03:24] <tomreyn> baris: try this: close nautilus. run    killall nautilus    in a terminal emulator. run    tracker3 reset --filesystem     in a terminal emulator. start nautilus again, and see whether this made any difference.
[03:24] <tomreyn> this is based on https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/nautilus/-/issues/2554
[03:24] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Issue 2554 in GNOME/nautilus "Nautilus freezes when searching" [Opened]
[03:27] <tomreyn> if the "tracker3" command above fails because the command is not available, you can run this instead there:    rm -r ~/.cache/tracker3
[03:27] <baris> tomreyn, thank you! I'll try. I verify that freeze happens right when it's trying to connect to Tracker.3.Miner.files
[03:27] <baris> which happens when I click on search icon
[03:27] <baris> and type
[03:28] <baris> rm -r ~/.cache/tracker3 did not help I already have tried that one
[03:28] <baris> as well as  rm -r ~/.cache/tracker
[03:28] <baris> which seems to be tracker2
[03:29] <tomreyn> so "tracker" is the file system indexing tool and index. i assume there's some systmed user service for tracker which nautilus connects to, to query the index.
[03:30] <tomreyn> if the index is corrupt or the tracker service stalled, this could lead to this apparent freeze
[03:30] <baris> tomreyn, reset --filesystem seems to have worked. I tried searching after the reset and did not observe any freze yet
[03:30] <baris> Thank you!
[03:31] <tomreyn> sweet, hope it stays this way.
[04:54] <xubuntu14d> I ned help
[04:54] <xubuntu14d> please
[04:55] <xubuntu14d> Help m
[04:55] <xubuntu14d> me
[04:55] <Bashing-om> !ask | xubuntu14d
[05:26] <luna__> Dear friends, I have noticed that sometimes I want to put a shortcut to a webpage on the desktop, using chrome. I notice that in Gnome,  the desktop files produced are/is useless and may be empty and has a really weird name.  I noticed that in MATE the shortcut file on the desktop is normal, works, and has the name of the page.  YOU MUST GET THIS FIXED.
[05:27] <luna__> luna is morgan
[05:28] <matsaman> morgan-acer: what about using chromium?
[05:30] <rbox> must!?
[05:30] <rbox> rofl
[06:21] <tomreyn> morgan-acer: you could file a bug report on this
[06:21] <tomreyn> !bug
[06:22] <xMopx> the consequences will never be the same !
[09:19] <aquery> Hello all, I got the dialogue "would you like to upgrade ubuntu to the latest version" and clicked upgrade. The upgrade attempt failed (went into a loop and crashed at some point)
[09:19] <aquery> After restarting, I have no X, but even worse - I have no network interfaces (apart from lo and some docker interfaces).
[09:20] <aquery> If I could get the network up, I think I stand a chance of rescueing this system, but I'm not sure how to get the network interfaces back.
[09:20] <aquery> Is there anyone who might be able to point me in the right direction?
[09:36] <lotuspsychje> aquery: try to get into recoverymode with root shell and networking enabled
[09:38] <lotuspsychje> aquery: or try booting into a previous kernel from grub stage
[10:00] <usuario> hola
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> welcome usuario
[10:29] <litteulblack> Hello ^^
[10:30] <litteulblack> I have question
[10:31] <litteulblack> it is possible to create a tunnel with a VPS trougt wireguard and a webserver self hosted with my ISP
[10:31] <litteulblack> and have access on the webserver with ip address of VPS
[10:31] <litteulblack> thank you in advence for awnser
[10:31] <litteulblack> ^^
[10:32] <litteulblack> I found many articles about VPN but not to redirect all trafic
[10:51] <bleblux> hi all getting crazy trying to reach what nmap says is a filtered port from outside my 20.04.5 LTS
[10:51] <bleblux> sudo nmap localhost -p 8787
[10:51] <bleblux> Starting Nmap 7.80 ( https://nmap.org ) at 2023-03-12 10:36 CET
[10:51] <bleblux> Nmap scan report for localhost (127.0.0.1)
[10:51] <bleblux> Host is up (0.000043s latency).
[10:51] <bleblux> rDNS record for 127.0.0.1: [machinename]
[10:51] <bleblux> PORT     STATE SERVICE
[10:58] <bleblux> hi all getting crazy trying to reach what nmap says is a filtered port from outside my 20.04.5 LTS. nmap from localhost says port is open but, when I do the nmap from outside the machine it says that the port is filtered. the port answers as expected when i try to reach it teleneting locally, but no answer when the telnet is done form outside the
[10:58] <bleblux> local machine, even with a computer in the same local network segment.
[10:59] <bleblux> no ufw installed
[10:59] <bleblux> iptables shows accept in the INPUT, FORWARD and OUTPUT
[11:01] <Guest375> I have installed ubuntu 20.04. Have Ubuntu One account. Facing some issues. Wanted to post my issue on https://ubuntuforums.org When I tried login with SSO, I get this error message -
[11:01] <Guest375>     The following errors occurred during your registration:
[11:01] <Guest375>     That username is already in use or does not meet the administrator's standards. If you are hsubuntu1 and you have forgotten your password, click here.
[11:02] <Guest375> why I am not able to login on ubuntuforums.org - login with sso not wkg for me.
[11:21] <ravage> Guest375: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2230004
[11:23] <Guest375> I have already checked that. But WHY my existing SSO login is not working for forums ?
[11:23] <Guest375> Even not able to contact forum moderators .. :(
[11:24] <Guest375> it says, first login, only then I can contact moderators.
[11:25] <Guest375> is there any forums support email id ? where I can send email for help.
[11:31] <nb-ben> how would I configure gtk-3 touse the 256x256 version of Adwaita, for instance?
[11:31] <nb-ben> gtk-cursor-theme-size doesn't seem to have any effect
[13:08] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:54] <valued-customer> Howdy y'all.  I have just been confronted with locked files when attempting to upgrade and update as root.  As a new user, I am concerned about security, and would appreciate some guidance.
[13:56] <tomreyn> hi. can you show the errors you ran into, as text on a pastebin or screenshots on an image board?
[13:57] <valued-customer> You mean not paste the text here?
[13:57] <tomreyn> ideally with any context, such as which commands you ran or what you did that may have triggered it
[13:58] <tomreyn> right, you can pipe text into   | nc termbin.com 9999   and get a url that way
[13:58] <tomreyn> or copy and paste it to dpaste.com
[13:58] <tomreyn> then submit it there and copy and paste just the url here
[13:59] <aquery> Hello all, I had to reinstall my laptop due to a botched upgrade attempt. I've backed up my home directory and copied it back when the fresh install was completed. But my side panel doesn't look like it used to. What file has the settings for the side panel?
[13:59] <valued-customer> tomreyn can you provide the specific syntax of the command I need to use to | copied text?
[14:00] <valued-customer> I am not competent to write such commands
[14:00] <tomreyn> valued-customer: if you help me with this: what's the command you were running that triggered the error message.
[14:00] <valued-customer> sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt update
[14:00] <bratner> aquery, i'm guessing here but it maybe ~/.config directory
[14:01] <tomreyn> my guess, too
[14:02] <bratner> valued-customer, what happens if you run: "sudo apt update" again?
[14:02] <aquery> bratner: ~/.config is a big place. Inside it there's only one good candidate: dconf/. It contains only one (binary) file and I've imported it, but it still doesn't work.
[14:02] <tomreyn> valued-customer: okay, can you run this: (sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -ys ) &> /tmp/apt && nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/apt
[14:02] <valued-customer> it ran, and all files are up to date
[14:03] <valued-customer> bratner it ran, and all files are reported up to date
[14:04] <valued-customer> I do not see that it interacted with the locked files reported when I used the && command
[14:05] <bratner> valued-customer, command1 && command2 means "run command1 and if it succeeds run command2"
[14:06] <tomreyn> valued-customer: that's in response to my command? let's try ignoring errors so the paste gets online. try this: (sudo apt update; sudo apt upgrade -ys ) &> /tmp/apt; nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/apt
[14:08] <valued-customer> tomreyn I apologize for not @'ing you specifically when replying.  N00b mistake.  I have run sudo apt update again, and it completed without error, per @bratner's suggestion.  I will now run the command you have specified.
[14:09] <tomreyn> valued-customer: no need for @, but you can mention me with just "tomreyn" as you did.
[14:09] <cyborg> hey
[14:10] <tomreyn> hi cyborg
[14:10] <tomreyn> valued-customer: okay, you should get a termbin url this time
[14:10] <valued-customer> tomreyn https://termbin.com/jh27w
[14:11] <cyborg> I was here on Pop os just saw this chat I never used this before and thought to see what it is
[14:11] <cyborg> I never knew it existed
[14:12] <tomreyn> valued-customer: there seems to be no error, but the second command was just simulated. let's try actually running itthis time: (sudo apt update; sudo apt upgrade -y ) &> /tmp/apt; nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/apt
[14:13] <tomreyn> aquery: did you install the same ubuntu version you used to have when you created the backup?
[14:14] <valued-customer> tomreyn nc: getaddrinfo for host "ttermbin.com" port 9999: Name or service not known
[14:14] <valued-customer> oops.  Nm
[14:14] <tomreyn> aquery: is it even the same graphical desktop (gnome-shell + mutter) you used to have?
[14:15] <Jeremy31> valued-customer: only one t in termbin.com
[14:15] <valued-customer> tomreyn https://termbin.com/trop0
[14:15] <valued-customer> Jeremy31 Yes, I only noticed after I pasted the result here.
[14:16] <tomreyn> valued-customer: you should be abele to copy and paste to and from the terminal emulator (probably gnome-terminal), so don't actually need to type these commands
[14:16] <tomreyn> valued-customer: in gnome-terminal, you'll need to ctrl-shift-c /-v (not just ctrl-c/-v)
[14:16] <valued-customer> tomreyn I seem unable to copy from text here using Hexchat, so type commands out.
[14:17] <tomreyn> valued-customer: oh hexchat is special, you just mark text with the mouse then press middle mouse where you want to paste it
[14:17] <tomreyn> valued-customer: the output shows no error message or warning about locks
[14:18] <valued-customer> tomreyn i see no errors in the output, but also see no interaction with the reported locked files that prompted my concern
[14:18] <tomreyn> the commands i had you run are effectively    sudo apt update; sudo apt upgrade
[14:18] <valued-customer> tomreyn yes, I understand
[14:18] <tomreyn> which locked files are or were reported?
[14:19] <valued-customer> tomreyn Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[14:19] <valued-customer> that was the first of four error messages I received
[14:19] <tomreyn> and this is still happening now?
[14:19] <leftyfb> tomreyn: it was probably just unattended-upgrades
[14:19] <valued-customer> tomreyn I have not seen the error messages again.
[14:19] <tomreyn> you would see this message is you ran apt without sudo
[14:20] <tomreyn> so i'm guessing you maybe just forgot you need sudo for apt update and upgrade commands
[14:20] <leftyfb> or that
[14:21] <KeeperoftheKeys> I have a weird issue not sure where to raise it.... I configured my laptop to use secure boot and it uses the Canonical key for that just fine, for DKMS modules (VirtualBox) I created another key and I manually added it with mokutil, it works fine for a while and then the key disappears from the enrolled list
[14:21] <valued-customer> tomreyn I note that I did indeed missreport using sudo after the && in the original command.  I apologize for taking your valuable time, and appreciate your kind consideration in enabling my understanding
[14:21] <tomreyn> leftyfb: i think you'd see a different error message when the lock file was put there by some other apt process, but not 100% sure
[14:22] <tomreyn> valued-customer: you're welcome, no problem ;)
[14:23] <KeeperoftheKeys> (running Ubuntu 22.10, considering upgrading to 23.04 already due to issues with standby, Ryzen 4700U, LUKS encrypted nvme storage)
[14:23] <tomreyn> valued-customer: because this came out wrong earlier somewhere: make sure you first run "apt update", then "apt upgrade" (or better yet, "apt full-upgrade"), not the other way around
[14:23] <tomreyn> both with sudo though
[14:24] <valued-customer> tomreyn thank you.  I seem to have missordered the commands.  I will endeavor to keep the order correct going forward
[14:24] <tomreyn> KeeperoftheKeys: try a bios upgrade first, and this:
[14:24] <tomreyn> !acpi_osi | KeeperoftheKeys
[14:25] <KeeperoftheKeys> Bios is already the newest version that was released (over a year old by now but not holding my breath for Asus)
[14:25] <tomreyn> valued-customer: alright, you can also do this using the GUI if you prefer / it's easier for now. on the other hand, it's good that you're learning your way around the terminal
[14:26] <tomreyn> the shell rather
[14:26] <KeeperoftheKeys> ubotto: that is a very interesting idea, will definitely have a look at that :)
[14:26] <KeeperoftheKeys> I wish I still had S3 sleep
[14:26] <valued-customer> tomreyn when I allow the gui to attempt to update my system, it reports that I have no available space on the drive.
[14:26] <tomreyn> !cookie | ubottu
[14:27] <valued-customer> tomreyn however, I am able to update and upgrade using the terminal
[14:27] <KeeperoftheKeys> what about disappearing MOK keys?
[14:27] <tomreyn> valued-customer: hmm, maybe your /boot file system is a bit small. whihc ubuntu release did you say you have there?
[14:27] <valued-customer> tomreyn ubuntu 20.04 lts
[14:32] <leftyfb> valued-customer: please run the following command and paste the resulting URL here:   ( uname -a ; cat /etc/os-release ; df -h / ; df -h /boot ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:32] <tomreyn> valued-customer: what does this report?  grep COMPRESS /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
[14:33] <valued-customer> tomreyn # COMPRESS: [ gzip | bzip2 | lz4 | lzma | lzop | xz ]
[14:33] <valued-customer> COMPRESS=lz4
[14:33] <tomreyn> KeeperoftheKeys: to me it's not clear what you're asking regarding 'disappearing MOK keys'.
[14:33] <tomreyn> (i know what MOKs are)
[14:34] <valued-customer> leftyfb https://termbin.com/g8q9i
[14:35] <leftyfb> valued-customer: apt list --installed |grep linux-image | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:35] <valued-customer> leftyfb WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.
[14:35] <valued-customer> https://termbin.com/c930w
[14:36] <tomreyn> valued-customer: unfortunately the installer creates a rather small /boot file system, and you can't really resize it post-install if you use (almost) full disk encryption, as you seem to be  doing.
[14:37] <leftyfb> valued-customer: sudo apt remove --purge linux-image-5.15.0-60-generic && sudo apt install linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04
[14:38] <valued-customer> leftyfb just to be sure I understand, this command will remove the older 5.15 image and install the new 20.04 image?
[14:40] <leftyfb> valued-customer: actually, I just checked, you are already running the latest kernel
[14:40] <leftyfb> so I'm not sure why your system would be complaining about space
[14:41] <valued-customer> leftyfb I am also unaware of any substantive reason for the error, as I seem to have sufficient space presently
[14:42] <tomreyn> usually when upgrading the kernel, the new initrd gets created first, then the old one removed
[14:42] <valued-customer> leftyfb So, I have not run the purge && install command, as I understood you to confirm I am presently running the correct version.
[14:43] <tomreyn> that way you can run into a situation where temporarily, little or even not enough disk space can be available on /boot
[14:43] <leftyfb> tomreyn: they're running the latest kernel, I see no reason why we should be touching /boot at all unless we're just regenerating initrd, at which point it shouldn't be complaining about space
[14:43] <tomreyn> the best way to solve that would be to ensure there is space for three kernels and initrds
[14:43] <valued-customer> tomreyn is it possible my reversal of the order of update and upgrade commands has caused this error message to persist?
[14:44] <leftyfb> valued-customer: unrelated
[14:44] <valued-customer> leftyfb I see
[14:44] <KeeperoftheKeys> tomreyn: I enrolled a MOK key that I sign my DKMS modules with but every once in a while it "magically" (and extremely frustratingly) disappears from the enrolled key list forcing me to do another reboot to re-enroll the key
[14:45] <tomreyn> leftyfb: i'm thinking of this scenario: valued-customer was running an outdated kernel image, had that and the older one installed, as usual. then apt noticed there is a kernel update, installed that and generated the initrd, which resulted in too little space on /boot until the oldest kernel + initrd was removed.
[14:45] <leftyfb> tomreyn: they're running the latest kernel
[14:45] <tomreyn> valued-customer: no, this won't be related
[14:45] <valued-customer> tomreyn thanks
[14:46] <leftyfb> valued-customer: ( sudo apt update ; sudo apt full-upgrade 2>&1 ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:46] <tomreyn> leftyfb: right, and they're not seeing the "out of space" message anymore, i would think. maybe the "little space left" message is still present
[14:46] <tomreyn> (because thats the case)+
[14:46] <leftyfb> oh wait, we're troubleshooting a past message that we can't reproduce?
[14:47] <valued-customer> leftyfb https://termbin.com/vput
[14:47] <leftyfb> well that didn't work out the way it should have
[14:47] <leftyfb> valued-customer: I think you are good to go now
[14:47] <tomreyn> leftyfb: i don'T know this for sure. valued-customer mentioned receiving a warning or error about insufficient disk space during past GUI updates.
[14:47] <valued-customer> tomreyn No, I am currently told the GUI cannot update my system when it tries to do so, and can only update and upgrade via the terminal presently
[14:48] <tomreyn> valued-customer: so that's still the case when you try to update on the GUI now?
[14:48] <valued-customer> tomreyn correct.
[14:48] <tomreyn> valued-customer: hmm, weird, can you post a screenshot?
[14:48] <valued-customer> It just happened which prompted my attempt to update and upgrade via the terminal.
[14:49] <tomreyn> leftyfb: apt takes too long to run on most systems, you'll need to dumpt the output to a temp file and make nc read from there. i posted the command above, we went over this, yet
[14:49] <valued-customer> tomreyn I do not know how to instigate the GUI to attempt to update the system.  It just does so at regular intervals.
[14:50] <tomreyn> valued-customer: ah, you can run this from a terminal emulator : update-manager -c
[14:51] <KeeperoftheKeys> Is github having issues?
[14:52] <leftyfb> KeeperoftheKeys: that would be a question for ##github and is unrelated to ubuntu
[14:53] <valued-customer> Huh.  I found the Software Updater in the Applications menu, and ran it.  It proceeded to update without reporting errors.  I then selected Upgrade, but canceled when it offered to install 22.04, because I don't want to fix anything no broken.
[14:53] <valued-customer> tomreyn
[14:54] <KeeperoftheKeys> join /#github
[14:54] <KeeperoftheKeys> doh
[14:54] <tomreyn> valued-customer: so i assume the errors are gone for now
[14:54] <tomreyn> i also assume they will return :-/
[14:55] <tomreyn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-auto/+bug/1959971 should fix this for future installations
[14:55] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1959971 in partman-auto (Ubuntu Jammy) "[FFE] increase /boot partition size" [High, Triaged]
[14:56] <valued-customer> tomreyn I believe so, after using terminal it seems there is no longer a space issue.  I also am confident the problem will reoccur when the scheduled GUI update does.  I will see if I can take a screenshot then, and perhaps can discover the genesis of the error thereafter
[14:58] <valued-customer> tomreyn, leftyfb, and bratner, I thank you for your kindness and help
[14:59] <tomreyn> valued-customer: i'm pretty sure what i discussed earlier with leftyfb is what is the cause of the messages: you normally have two kernel images and initrd's (a small file linux user space which is used for e.g. unlocking your encrypted file systems), and that's when you have your /boot filled by 72% as seen at https://termbin.com/g8q9i
[15:00] <tomreyn> when apt or the gui apt updater then detects that a new kernel image is available, it will attempt to install that additionally, but it won't fit anymore on your 704 MB /boot, thus triggering these errors.
[15:01] <tomreyn> you can, after these errors occurred, use    sudo apt update && sudo apt --purge --autoremove install      which should remove the outdated kernel and make room to complete installation of the newer one.
[15:01] <valued-customer> tomreyn I can but assume that makes sense, as I have little understanding of how this process works.
[15:02] <tomreyn> the --purge --autoremove will ensure the oldest kernel image is removed and then installing the newer one can actually succeed, because enough space will be available again.
[15:03] <AzertyUA> Test
[15:03] <AzertyUA> Hehe this work
[15:03] <tomreyn> AzertyUA: could you please run your tests in #tests
[15:03] <AzertyUA> ok
[15:03] <valued-customer> tomreyn then purging with that command now will enable the next GUI update cycle to complete without error?
[15:04] <tomreyn> AzertyUA: thanks. if you have an ubuntu support question, this is the right place, however.
[15:04] <tomreyn> valued-customer: no, because apt keeps the current and the previous kernel image installed by default, even when you specificy these options
[15:05] <tomreyn> valued-customer: that's a safety mechanism because you will always be able to use the grub menu to boot into the older kernel in case a newer one does not work for some reason
[15:06] <tomreyn> a fresh install with current installation media should hopefully get you a larger /boot though
[15:06] <valued-customer> tomreyn So, only upon the initial error when the GUI attempts and fails to update will that command be able to rectify the error?  I will endeavor to remember to seek advice prior to using terminal to update at that time, if that is the case.
[15:07] <tomreyn> valued-customer: that's correct
[15:07] <valued-customer> tomreyn tyvm
[15:08] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[15:09] <tomreyn> i suggest you consider a fresh install of 20.04 LTS or 22.04 LTS at some point to get this issue solved.
[15:12] <valued-customer> tomreyn as I am not a competent coder, or competent linux user, I recall the horrors of fresh installs wiping out settings M$ inflicted on me many times.  It is this that causes me to be hesitant to fix anything that is remotely functional.
[15:14] <valued-customer> It is a trifle to resort to the terminal to successfully update the system - if I could do so successfully LOL
[15:18] <tomreyn> valued-customer: you're hopefully backing up any data meaningful to you. usually, that's at least /home and /etc
[15:19] <tomreyn> if you just retore those to a new installation of the same major ubuntu release (so 20.04.x LTS), thngs should just work again like they used to, with the exception of applications missing which you had installed.
[15:21] <tomreyn> (you can also store which ones were installed and reinstall them when recovering backups, but it's a bit more involved)
[15:21] <valued-customer> tomreyn I do have a 10T external drive I acquired for the purpose.  However, when I attempted to backup my old M$ computer, I found it did not operate as I expected a normal HD would, and created some kind of file that did not make the backed up data available to the linux file management system.  I have been discouraged thereby.
[15:22] <valued-customer> I have not ascertained how to use wifi to network the two computers, and so am prevented from accessing the data on the M$ system I would like to have available to the new linux system.
[15:22] <tomreyn> hmm, i don't know what may have gone wrong there exactly. maybe there was a file system on the disk which was not mounted writable, or could not be mounted at all, or there just was no file system on the disk
[15:24] <tomreyn> if you want to exchange data between a windows and ubuntu system (two separate systems which can run simultaniously), then the easiest option is to setup an openssh-server on ubuntu and use winscp on windows
[15:25] <tomreyn> cou can also setup an openssh server on current windows versions, though, it's available as an optional installation component
[15:26] <tomreyn> then access thatusing nautilus (GNOME Files) on ubuntu
[15:27] <tomreyn> a third option are windows file system shares (cifs/Sambe), but that's a bit involved to setup
[15:27] <valued-customer> tomreyn I don't know. It's just an Easystore 10T drive.  I hoped it would make it facile to simply plug into the M$ box, transfer files, and then plug it into the linux box and transfer files, but when I attempted to transfer media files not all of them would end up on the 10T drive, so only some of them were available to the linux system.
[15:28] <valued-customer> tomreyn I am quite unfamiliar with any of the listed possibilities for networking, and reckon I should do some reading based on your suggestions.
[15:28] <tomreyn> no idea what may have gone wrong there...
[15:28] <hans_> think i found a bug in the ubuntu 18.04 libmysqlclient-dev installer: /usr/bin/mysql_config is not +x by default, i have to run chmod +x /usr/bin/mysql_config
[15:31] <hans_> hmm no, seems i got another problem, maybe with $PATH, nvm
[15:32] <tomreyn> hans_: right. /usr/bin/mysql_config is executable by default. and on my 18.04 LTS system it is also available in the path by default.
[15:32] <tomreyn> $ which mysql_config
[15:36] <hans_> tomreyn: thanks for checking
[15:37] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[15:53] <bratner> It seems like ubuntu source packages are an upstream source tar and a set of ubuntu patches. How can I replicate the way the upstream source tar was created?
[15:53] <bratner> Specifically i wonder how this file was generated: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/q/qemu/qemu_4.2.orig.tar.xz
[15:56] <tomreyn> bratner: most likely by     wget https://download.qemu.org/qemu-4.2.0.tar.xz
[15:57] <tomreyn> -O qemu_4.2.orig.tar.xz
[15:57] <bratner> tomreyn, hmm... so there is no interfacing with the upstream( e.g: qemu) git repo?
[15:58] <tomreyn> not sure, but the checksums on these files match
[15:58] <tomreyn> you'd need to look into the build recipes on launchpad for more details
[15:59] <bratner> oh.. they do
[16:01] <bratner> tomreyn, but they do take patches from qemu git, or are those just ubuntu integration patches? Do you happen to know how I find the build recipes on lunchpad?
[16:04] <bratner> I think i found something: https://code.launchpad.net/qemu/+recipes
[16:04] <tomreyn> https://launchpad.net/qemu tracks upstream and then there is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qemu for ubuntu integration
[17:24] <gneeriiloeepdeer> how do I find out if my machine has hplip installed? I got a hp printer as a present. hplip: https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing/
[17:25] <leftyfb> gneeriiloeepdeer: apt-cache policy hplip
[17:26] <gneeriiloeepdeer> thank you. now, to test the printer!
[17:27] <leftyfb> gneeriiloeepdeer: you can also use:  apt list --installed hplip
[17:29] <gneeriiloeepdeer> my new printer is 12 years old, apparently
[17:29] <gneeriiloeepdeer> beggars cant be choosers I guess
[18:37] <theorem> curious
[18:38] <theorem> I installed ubuntu on a new hard drive in a machine.  Now I want to add the old hard drive back to do a dual-boot scenario.
[18:38] <theorem> how do I add the win7 drive as a boot option in grub ?
[18:44] <alkisg> theorem: run this: sudo -i; GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false >>/etc/default/grub.d/local.cfg; update-grub
[18:54] <alkisg> * I forgot an "echo" before the GRUB_DISABLE...
[19:27] <kostkon> !split
[20:01] <linux_dream> hi people, my mother has filled her ssd disk, her ubuntu pc won't fully boot. she can access a tty by pressing on ctrl alt F4  , from which I guided her into some of her folders with the hopes to remove some videos or something
[20:02] <linux_dream> but we're not making progress as to which file is taking up so much space (250 Gb)
[20:02] <linux_dream> is there a command line tool that could assist us ?
[20:02] <linux_dream> obviously she cannot install anything else.  disk is 100% filled
[20:02] <rbox> ncdu
[20:02] <rbox> plain du works too
[20:06] <linux_dream> thank you
[20:59] <jhutchins> Booting to rescue mode from grub also doesn't try to log to the disk.
[21:00] <jhutchins> Logrotate can help too, but he gone.
[21:01] <wingarmac> Greetings, due to some other software I messed with my repo keys on host1.  I have host1 and host to on the same lan with the same user account. How du I sinc their respective repos and keyrings ? Ubuntu 22.04 lts
[21:01] <wingarmac> without this apt-key deprecated error on my host1
[21:02] <jhutchins> !apt-key
[21:02] <oerheks> indeed deprecated
[21:03] <wingarmac> So since I've no eroor on host2 and they have the same repos and keys, how can I sinchronise the hosts for these informations ?
[21:03] <jhutchins> oerheks: What replaced it?
[21:04] <wingarmac> a bash script I tested to replace the deprecated keys all at once.
[21:04] <wingarmac> Since I've deleted every info related to try to restore it from the other host
[21:05] <oerheks> jhutchins, nothing, there are tutors how to handle those like this https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-handle-apt-key-and-add-apt-repository-deprecation-using-gpg-to-add-external-repositories-on-ubuntu-22-04
[21:05] <oerheks> copy /usr/share/keyrings to the new account?
[21:07] <oerheks> or; wget -qO- https://repo/key.asc | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/reponame-key.asc
[21:07] <wingarmac> I need the keys and the repos so I will need /usr/share/keyrings and /apt/sources.list and /apt/sources.list.d/* how to cover all the needs to a tar and send them with ssh to user@ip
[21:08] <wingarmac> I would like to not forget any source and be able to extract into the right folder afterwards.
[21:08] <oerheks> only keys published on launchpad are accepted by add-apt-repository
[21:08] <wingarmac> is there a command to get the keys back from the official repos itself ?
[21:09] <oerheks> or; curl -sL https://repo/pubkey.gpg | gpg --dearmor | sudo tee /usr/share/keyrings/repo.gpg >/dev/null
[21:09] <oerheks> wingarmac, sure, if you know what guide/url you used.
[21:09] <wingarmac> oerheks can you translate the command for ubuntu 22.04 jammy ?
[21:09] <oerheks> official - published on launchpad, unofficial see above
[21:10] <akik> what process is responsible for the useless "system problem detected" that appears sometimes on login?
[21:10] <oerheks> akik whoopsie?
[21:10] <akik> oerheks: yea i'm asking
[21:10] <oerheks> whoopsie it is.
[21:10] <akik> thanks
[21:11] <wingarmac> oerheks I've both to set back. I should start with the official ubuntu 22.04 lts repos and multiverse.
[21:11] <oerheks> copy /usr/share/keyrings to the new account?
[21:11] <wingarmac> will this suffise ?
[21:12] <oerheks> weird that you messed those up
[21:12] <oerheks> yes, i guess so
[21:12] <wingarmac> well the script did mess up with all files in /etc/apt
[21:12] <theorem> did lninux_dream leave ?
[21:12] <theorem> *linux
[21:13] <theorem> because the other thing to check is emptying the trash --- it's non-intuitive , and trash is in a dotfolder -- which can be irnogred by du if you are not careful
[21:13] <theorem> alkisg: k, trying ..
[21:14] <wingarmac> oerheks  This was the script I've tried to apply https://github.com/wingarmac/wingarmac/blob/main/convert_keys.sh
[21:16] <theorem> alkisg: ok, no joy on that command, good idea though
[21:18] <oerheks> wingarmac, i hope you still can login, as that script might messed up more than just repokeys..
[21:18] <theorem> alkisg: I have ubuntu booting with uefi , and it *Seems* like the win7 drive wants me to use the legacy boot option to start -- but ... I can't seem to figure out how to get the grub bootloaded to load the older legacy style boot ...
[21:18] <theorem> os_prober does not seem to find it -- not sure why ?!
[21:18] <akik> how do i change the keyboard shortcut for "switch to next tab" in gnome terminal (ubuntu 22.10) the shortcut list just shows what the current shortcut is for that
[21:18] <theorem> ctrl+tab ?
[21:18] <akik> ctrl+pageup/down
[21:18] <oerheks> theorem, os-prober is disabled, due to security risks...
[21:19] <theorem> oerheks: yes, of course
[21:19] <oerheks> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/12/grub-doesnt-detect-windows-linux-distros-fix
[21:19] <Jeremy31> theorem: With 2 HDDs you might need a custom grub entry for legacy
[21:19] <theorem> Jeremy31: happy to write it -- where am I editing ?  /etc/grub.conf ?
[21:19] <oerheks> GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false to /etc/default/grub
[21:19] <wingarmac> oerheks apt install --reinstall ubuntu-keyring debian-archive-keyring This solved the problem with the official keys
[21:20] <theorem> oerheks: have done so , it still does not appear to find the os
[21:20] <oerheks> and update-grub
[21:21] <theorem> oerheks: ok, have done, but how can I see what it has added ?
[21:21] <theorem> the update
[21:22] <theorem> I want to see the kernel boot params -- for example
[21:22] <Jeremy31> theorem: current ones can be seen with> cat /proc/cmdline
[21:23] <theorem> Jeremy31: no, want to see grub config
[21:23] <Jeremy31> theorem: /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[21:23] <oerheks> after update grub, your  /boot/grub/grub.cfg should show windows? i have no windows to check
[21:23] <oerheks> ?
[21:24] <oerheks> !grub
[21:24] <theorem> oerheks: checking
[21:25] <ravage> update-grub also outputs something like "Found Windows Boot Manager on /dev/sdb1@/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi" if it worked
[21:25] <theorem> ravage: I was not presented wit hthat
[21:25] <akik> theorem: i found more info here https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-terminal/stable/adv-keyboard-shortcuts.html.en but gnome terminal preferences don't allow me to put ctrl+tab for switch to next tab
[21:25] <ravage> then it did not detect your windows installation
[21:26] <theorem> ravage: correct
[21:26] <theorem> oerheks: https://termbin.com/mim00
[21:26] <alkisg> theorem: it's not possible to select between uefi and bios mode from grub. It needs to be done from the bios boot manager, not grub
[21:26] <alkisg> Change ubuntu to bios too.
[21:27] <ravage> sudo os-prober
[21:27] <theorem> alkisg: must I boot windows with the legacy method if I'm already handing off to UEFI to grub ?  Seems like a flaw ..
[21:27] <ravage> is called by update-grub
[21:27] <theorem> ravage: I've done this already, nothing.
[21:27] <ravage> you can run it manually too. make sure you have the ntfs-3g package installed
[21:27] <akik> ctrl+tab works in firefox though
[21:27] <oerheks> theorem, both should be installed in uefi mode, ofcourse
[21:28] <theorem> oerheks: they are not.
[21:28] <ravage> does win7 even support efi?
[21:28] <theorem> no
[21:28] <theorem> https://termbin.com/0m63n
[21:28] <oerheks> win7 is EOL, why bother?
[21:28] <theorem> there's the drive, sda
[21:29] <theorem> oerheks: the OS has a software license attached to it worth a few thousand dollars (still).
[21:29] <Jeremy31> theorem: Might need to use a BIOS boot menu to switch between Ubuntu/Windows in this case
[21:29] <ravage> theorem: https://askubuntu.com/a/629733
[21:30] <ravage> you can manually add it
[21:30] <oerheks> Jeremy31 +1 ... or put windows7 in a VM
[21:30] <theorem> yeah, I tried it as a VM, it did boot, but it complain about a lot of hardware changes, then told me to go fix it with other tools ...
[21:30] <theorem> so, the VM route was VERY close.
[21:31] <alkisg> theorem: yes it's a flaw in Windows but there's nothing that grub can do about it
[21:31] <theorem> Jeremy31: giving that a try, looks promising
[21:33] <alkisg> theorem: Ubuntu doesn't have that problem though so it's easy to switch it to bios mode
[21:34] <wingarmac> oerheks https://termbin.com/gm8xf here's my last output of apt update (I've my own mirror coverring the packages for ubuntu 22.04 LTS amd64 and my personal 3th party software mirrored.)
[21:34] <theorem> alkisg: yes, hang on a sec, might have it ..
[21:34] <theorem> bbiab
[21:35] <akik> my ctrl and pageup/down are on totally different sides of the keyboard. how is this ergonomical to force users to use that key combo to switch tabs?
[21:36] <arraybolt3> switch tabs? In what program?
[21:36] <akik> arraybolt3: gnome-terminal and mate-terminal
[21:37] <arraybolt3> I'm guessing your system doesn't have a right ctrl key.
[21:37] <akik> i have both a left *and* right ctrl key :I)
[21:37] <arraybolt3> If the key combo is ctrl+pageup/down, why not use right ctrl?
[21:37] <akik> you're kidding right
[21:38] <arraybolt3> I mean it's no more difficult that Alt+Tab on the keyboards I have, maybe even easier.
[21:38] <akik> no it's not
[21:38] <ravage> akik: you can change the shortcuts to whatever you like
[21:38] <akik> ravage: show me how
[21:39] <akik> ravage: nothing happens when i press ctrl+tab in the preferences/shortcuts
[21:39] <ravage> for gnome terminal: preferences -> shortcuts. click on the one you want to change. enter new shortcuts
[21:39] <leftyfb> akik: you're complaining about a hotkey in an application being non-ergonomical because the keys are on opposite sites of the keyboard. It's been pointed out to you that all the keys are in fact on the same side of the keyboard but that's still not good enough. What is the issue exactly?
[21:39] <akik> leftyfb: i want to use the left side ctrl+tab to switch tabs
[21:39] <akik> as i do in plasma and firefox every day
[21:39] <leftyfb> akik: ok, so change it
[21:40] <akik> leftyfb: the preferences/shortcuts doesn't allow it. nothing happens when i press ctrl+tab there
[21:40] <ravage> i guess that is already occupied by gnome as global shortcut
[21:40] <ravage> you would need to change that first
[21:41] <akik> the preferences/shortcuts allows me to put the original shortcut ctrl+pageup/down for it
[21:41] <leftyfb> akik: file a bug with gnome-terminal
[21:41] <leftyfb> !bug | akik
[21:41] <akik> ravage: in the preferences of gnome somewhere or dconf?
[21:48] <CeeClear> ollo
[21:50] <akik> leftyfb: this fixed it https://askubuntu.com/questions/1362653/change-shortcut-to-switch-tab-in-gnome-terminal/1362715#1362715
[21:50] <akik> now i need the same fix for mate
[21:51] <akik> legacy <3
[21:52] <akik> i found the similar place in dconf-editor: /org/mate/terminal/keybindings but i don't know why that doesn't come active if i change those
[21:52] <akik> lol
[21:53] <akik> there's actually i kid you not "ctrl-tab-switch-tabs" in /org/mate/terminal/global
[21:53] <akik> problem solved by enabling that
[21:53] <akik> :)
[21:54] <akik> now they show up as "Invalid" in mate-terminals keyboard shortcuts
[21:55] <CeeClear> have a question. Whenever I try to burn a iso file with Brasero I get this error message SCSI error on write(0,16): See MMC specs: Sense Key 5 "Illegal request", ASC 21 ASCQ 04."
[21:56] <CeeClear> Does anyone know the reason why or dealt with this before
[21:57] <ravage> CeeClear: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/1964554
[21:57] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1964554 in brasero (Ubuntu) "Brasero does not burn ISO IMAGE. Error message;  'SCSI error on write(0,16): See MMC specs: Sense Key 5 'Illegal request'" [Undecided, New]
[21:59] <ravage> first of all try a newer Ubuntu release. 18.04 is on its way to EOL
[22:01] <CeeClear> Is there a solution in that comment ravage ???
[22:02] <ravage> the comments in the bug report dont offer any solution yet i think
[22:04] <leftyfb> CeeClear: 18.04 will be EOL in 33 days. I would upgrade to 22.04 before it does or else the upgrade process gets more difficult. Though at this point, I would recommend a fresh install of 22.04
[22:07] <akik> CeeClear: at which speed do you burn it?
[22:10] <akik> CeeClear: i've had good success with k3b, some years ago
[22:10] <CeeClear> akik  I have it set to 16X
[22:10] <akik> CeeClear: try a slower speed maybe
[22:11] <akik> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b seems to be updated
[22:14] <carl_> @akik . Nope that didn't work
[22:15] <akik> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=k3b&searchon=names&suite=kinetic&section=all
[23:09] <FKAShinobi> Does anyone know what this is about - Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file '/home/xxxxxx/Downloads/net.downloadhelper.coapp-1.6.3-1_amd64.deb' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied)
[23:09] <Jeremy31> FKAShinobi: Trying to run from Firefox?
[23:10] <ravage> it is telling you exactly why really
[23:10] <FKAShinobi> Jeremy31: downloaded with FF. using shell to install
[23:10] <ravage> usually apt install in a sandbox with user _apt
[23:10] <FKAShinobi> file has perms 775
[23:10] <ravage> your file cant be read by that user
[23:10] <ravage> so it does not use the sandbox
[23:11] <FKAShinobi> So why would it not be able to read it with perms of 775?
[23:11] <ravage> it does not affect the installation at att
[23:11] <ravage> all
[23:11] <ravage> so you can just ignore it
[23:11] <FKAShinobi> ah ok
[23:12] <FKAShinobi> For my own edification, is there something I need to do to stop the error, or is it something the package maintainer must do?
[23:13] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1411661/ubuntu-22-04-video-download-helper-cant-ever-find-its-companion-app
[23:13] <oerheks> good luck with that
[23:25] <FKAShinobi> oerheks: works great for me so far