[00:01] <blahboybaz> leftyfb: I explained that I want to make sure the package is up to date and that I also (as part of that process) wanted to discover how it was installed to begin with - since knowing how it was installed may tie into how to make sure it is  updated and how to do so if needed
[00:01] <blahboybaz> not just docekr but everything docker (engine, plugins if any, compose, etc) - everything minus desktop
[00:02] <blahboybaz> I'll figure it out.. its fine. I jsut thought it would be nice to do together with someon
[00:03] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: apt-cache policy docker-ce # should give you an idea of how it was installed. But like I said, docker-ce and the associated packages you installed from the 3rd party repo are not officially supported here. And to your previous point, there's no way docker or it's support channels are going to tell you they don't support docker on ubuntu
[00:03] <blahboybaz> I can always do stuff on my own and figure it out eventually but that just sucks
[00:04] <blahboybaz> have a good one
[00:04] <blahboybaz> real appreciate your help
[00:04] <leftyfb> blahboybaz: if you need support, I would suggest removing the 3rd party repo and the associated packages and install docker-io from the .......  nevermind
[00:06] <ravage> yeah. solve problems alone. really inconvenient.
[00:07] <leftyfb> I don't understand the resentment for not wanting to support every piece of software on the planet that runs on linux. It's like calling Microsoft when Adobe Acrobat has an issue.
[00:11] <ravage> Who has expressed resentment about that?
[00:38] <jonez> if I put a problem package on hold, will that prevent it from being run during do-release-upgrade?
[00:43] <jonez> I answered my own question.. do-release-upgrade will complain about packages on hold
[00:55] <leftyfb> jonez: if the package is from a 3rd party repo, remove it and reinstall it later
[00:56] <leftyfb> jonez: or even if it's an official package, just remove it and reinstall it later. usrmerge isn't installed by default so it won't affect the upgrade
[00:59] <matrixy> when 24.04 comes can i upgrade 22.04 to it without reinstalling?
[01:00] <rbox> matrixy: yes
[01:00] <matrixy> ok thanks
[01:07] <arraybolt3> matrixy: As a general rule it's always a good idea to back up your data before attempting an upgrade, just in case anything goes wrong. but yes, Ubuntu is designed to let you upgrade to a newer release (either to the next release, or a jump to the next LTS release if you're on an LTS already) without requiring a total reinstall.
[01:15] <matrixy> k. yeah i have my programs and music on flash drives
[01:17] <matrixy> can ubuntu play dvds or do i need vlc
[01:18] <rbox> vlc is in ubuntu...
[01:18] <ravage> matrixy: https://itsfoss.com/play-dvd-ubuntu-1310/
[01:20] <ravage> so it can pla DVDs of course. just not encrypted DVDs by default
[01:20] <matrixy> ok thanks
[01:23] <jonez> greetings. is the EOL date for 20.04 really 2030? That was a google result, I wanted to confirm
[01:24] <ravage> jonez: https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
[01:24] <jonez> leftyfb, it became 'default' in 19.x+
[01:25] <jonez> I found a link that pins the priority to -4242, and I was able to upgrade to 20.04
[01:25] <ravage> jonez: also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases for the detailed list
[01:26] <leftyfb> jonez: neither ubuntu desktop or server 22.04 nor desktop nor server 20.04 has usrmerge installed by default
[01:27] <jonez> if I read that graph right, 20.04 is supported until ~2024
[01:27] <jonez> err.. 2025
[01:27] <leftyfb> yes
[01:27] <jonez> it was installed on my 18.04 instance
[01:28] <ravage> Without ESM that is correct
[01:28] <jonez> cool. ty :)
[01:30] <leftyfb> jonez: I stand corrected. I guess some part of my process removes that package somehow
[01:30] <leftyfb> or maybe it gets removed after the install?
[01:30] <leftyfb> none of my desktops or servers have it installed
[01:30] <jonez> not sure, but it caused me a lot of grief
[01:31] <leftyfb> remove it, it won't cause any problems removing it
[01:31] <jonez> I pinned it really low
[01:31] <jonez> and since 20.04 has some life left, I won't go for 22
[01:53] <WJC42> my irc client disconnected fora while so I'm not sure if anyone responded. a couple hours ago...
[01:53] <WJC42> How do I hot-plug SATA drives? I am using Kubuntu 22.04. I run sudo dmesg -w and it does give me a notification when I plug in the drive, but I don't see it show up  when I sudo fdisk -l nor do I see it in the list of devices inside KDE partition manager.
[01:53] <rbox> what notification
[01:54] <WJC42> when I plug in the SATA drive, then dmesg reflects that. Hang on I will plug one in and copy/paste it here.
[01:56] <WJC42> ata2: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus 123 SControl 300)
[01:56] <WJC42> ata2.00: configured for UDMA/133  <---- those 2 lines are what it put just now when I plugged in a drive. But it does not show up in sudo fdisk -l or the GUI KDE Partition mananger
[01:57] <rbox> thats just saying the sata controller sees s omething happened
[01:57] <rbox> but its not saying a drive was there
[01:58] <WJC42> Yes, that's my point is that DMESG knows something happened, but I can't mount, create patitions, format etc the drive. I'm pretty sure it works if I reboot the entire machine, then I can do those things but I 'm trying to do this without rebooting (hot swap / hot plug / whatever)
[01:58] <rbox> its the controller
[01:58] <rbox> not dmesg
[02:27] <jhutchins> WJC42: You probably need to re-scan the SCSI bus.
[02:27] <jhutchins> WJC42: What actually happens when you hot plug a SATA device depends a lot on the controller (motherboard) hardware.
[02:29] <jhutchins> WJC42: https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/en/man8/rescan-scsi-bus.8.html
[02:29] <jhutchins> WJC42: Probably needs to be installed.
[02:58] <pa2> Anyone have success getting audio to work on Acer Chromebook C-710 (Slackware 15.0)
[02:59] <pa2> ...Or Ubuntu?
[03:25] <WJC42> jhutchins: I will give that a try. I have no idea if that will melt my drives so running a system backup then will do it, LOL
[03:46] <WJC42> jhutchins: SUCCESS! Thanks!
[04:37] <CeeClear> Ollo. Looking for assistance with a bug that prevents optic drive from burning DVD/CDs
[04:43] <lotuspsychje> you got a bug ID CeeClear ?
[04:44] <CeeClear> give me  a sec
[04:46] <CeeClear> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/1964554
[04:46] -ubottu:#ubuntu- Launchpad bug 1964554 in brasero (Ubuntu) "Brasero does not burn ISO IMAGE. Error message;  'SCSI error on write(0,16): See MMC specs: Sense Key 5 'Illegal request'" [Undecided, New]
[04:48] <lotuspsychje> tnx CeeClear , so whats the assistance you need exactly on this bug?
[04:49] <CeeClear> So I just installed a new Drive. Also updated my OS hoping this would solve the issue. and While Everything else works ok with the new drive I still get the same error message when I try to burn a file.
[04:50] <rbox> i didnt know peple still wrote optical media
[04:50] <CeeClear> you do now
[04:51] <matrixy> theres xfburn and k3b
[04:51] <matrixy> try those
[04:52] <CeeClear> Tried k3b. Similar error message. Also when I had the initial problem tried Nero, Also got a similar error message
[04:53] <matrixy> whats the error message
[04:53] <matrixy> oh sry
[04:54] <CeeClear> Session error : SCSI error on write(0,16): See MMC specs: Sense Key 5 "Illegal request", ASC 21 ASCQ 04. (brasero_burn_record brasero-burn.c:2856)
[04:55] <rbox> sounds like a hardware issue
[04:56] <CeeClear> Same Error message with two different drives. Plus everything else works fine wit the drive till I try to burn something
[04:57] <CeeClear> is there a specific hardware issue that would cause it to act like that ?
[08:34] <procla39> Anyone maintainning a package on the official Ubuntu repository or another distrib? (game or app)
[08:35] <procla39> wanted to ask questions about the packaging / maintain process etc.
[08:44] <lotuspsychje> procla39: maybe something for the #ubuntu-devel channel
[08:45] <lotuspsychje> procla39: or if you elaborate the specifics, someone might point you the the right direction here aswell
[08:50] <Guest64> hi all anyone want to learn Computer Science together , since United Nations not welcome here , want to join me at http://worldhacker.org is just a discord server ... . see ya there ... .
[08:50] <rohdef> how do I get from  a device LUN to actually a device name such as sdb? So far the best I've found is based on `sg_map -x | awk`, but that seems rather hacky and clunky. It's there an easier and more robust way to go from `lun=20` to `sdb`?
[08:55] <Habbie> rohdef, anything interesting in the subdirs of /dev/disk ?
[08:57] <Fudge>  /ignore #ubuntu  joins parts quits modes
[08:58] <Fudge> hii all
[08:58] <Fudge> Proxysna:  what were you wanting to know
[08:59] <Fudge> maintainers are listed in changelogs
[09:01] <rohdef> Habbie from what I navigated so far it seems to be way to roundabout:/  the "cleanest" way I've found so far is `sg_map -x | awk '{if ($5==20) print $7 }'` then I "just" need to strip the `/dev/` away from `/dev/sdb` so I only get `sdb`, but still seems a bit "hacky" and I'm thinking there should be a tool or something that can output more
[09:01] <rohdef> reliably structured data, such as json. I don't really want to rely on "column 5 is LUN and column 7 is device path"
[09:01] <Habbie> well, any idea where sg_map gets its data?
[09:02] <rohdef> Habbie probably from the devices in `/proc/scsi/sg`
[09:04] <rohdef> in this day and age it would of course be nicest with a json output and then just use `jq` to query and select what I need. But since we're dealing with older tools, I suspect that is wishful thinking
[09:05] <rohdef> Habbie of course I can also hope this spec won't change in a breaking way: https://linux.die.net/man/8/sg_map as least it is well defined
[09:06] <Habbie> rohdef, it definitely won't change within an ubuntu release
[09:07] <rohdef> Habbie that is very true, I just also want it robust in the long term - if reasonably possible. But of course, if I'm to write all sorts of data parsing and mapping it's probably not worth the effort ;)
[09:08] <Habbie> long term you could also consider sending patches for JSON output
[11:54] <Guest64> hi all
[11:55] <oerheks> Happy St Patrick’s Day 🐍
[12:20] <Guest64> of course the only answer is Glory to The Most High in THE HIGHEST ... . for nothing can be coded other than through the Father The Son and The Holy Spirit which is Lord Jesus Christ Himself ... .
[12:22] <oerheks> !ot > guest64
[12:23] <Guest64> yeah i just have burning question
[12:23] <Guest64> who code linux
[12:23] <oerheks> keep your trolling in #linux, thanks
[12:35] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:40] <Guest64> hi blueskaj
[12:41] <BluesKaj> hi Guest64
[12:41] <akossh> Guest64: a lot of people code linux, including developers from big companies, universities, researchers, hobbists
[12:42] <Guest64> how akossh ?
[12:42] <akossh> I am not sure about the review process, but I believe, Linus Torvalds has a big role in the reviews
[12:42] <Guest64> if they code why there is no other architecture
[12:43] <Guest64> i mean
[12:43] <Guest64> how from electricity to code
[12:43] <akossh> linux is available on many architectures.
[12:43] <Guest64> even architecture
[12:43] <Guest64> why can't it be one
[12:43] <Guest64> other than making alot ?
[12:43] <akossh> x86, arm, mips, ppc, risc-v
[12:43] <Guest64> i know akossh
[12:43] <leftyfb> Guest64: take it elsewhere. This isn't the place for your trolling
[12:44] <akossh> ah, you mean linux distributions when saying linux
[12:44] <oerheks> you seem to know the answer to your own questions, Guest64
[12:44] <oerheks> Guest64, this is technical support, try #ubuntu-discuss
[12:44] <Guest64> if i know i won't ask isn't it
[12:44] <akossh> Or you are interested about the architectures?
[12:44] <Guest64> is just my burning question
[12:44] <Guest64> how ?
[12:45] <Guest64> from the bios they code
[12:45] <Guest64> who originally code that bios
[12:45] <Guest64> when i start my computer
[12:45] <Guest64> the screen already link to electricity
[12:45] <Guest64> how than can i control picture
[12:45] <oerheks> ...
[12:46] <akossh> Guest64: How the BIOS controls the, or how you can control via the BIOS?
[12:47]  * Guest64 tada i am just skraito trying to say Glory to Lord Jesus Christ in The Highest go King proclaim yourself in the Highest : if you want to discuss http://woldhacker.org : since everyone don't like me here
[12:47] <Guest64> tada i am just skraito trying to say Glory to Lord Jesus Christ in The Highest go King proclaim yourself in the Highest : if you want to discuss http://woldhacker.org : since everyone don't like me here
[12:47] <CodeMouse92> Please, don't bring Him into it. You're just being a moron.
[12:48] <oerheks> !ops | guest64
[12:48]  * Guest64 King Glorify Us as we have glorify you again King for their sake i mean for your sake that voice you hear citizen
[12:52] <tapioca> a
[13:08] <Floating4> The file that is supposed to be at /etc/network to create a network interface is missing.  Does this indicate a problem?
[13:08] <Floating4> or otherwise, am I trying to edit this incorrectly?
[13:11] <Floating4> *sorry /etc/network/interfaces
[13:13] <Jeremy31> Floating4: What are you trying to do?
[13:14] <Floating4> Trying to get a VM up and running as a router, but I need a network bridge. There is a problem with NetworkManager, and I need to use /network/interfaces
[13:14] <Floating4> this is confusing, dont these 2 conflict?
[13:17] <Jeremy31> Floating4: Is the VM bridge there?  Anything in terminal for>  ifconfig
[13:26] <oerheks> !netplan
[13:41] <Floating4> Jeremy31 yes, the bridge is there
[13:41] <Floating4> but it was created with NetworkManager
[13:42] <Jeremy31> Floating4: URL from terminal for>  inxi -Nxxxc0|nc termbin.com 9999
[13:42] <Floating4> ubottu - is it fair to say that/network/interfaces is the core network config tool and that NetworkManager is a derivative?  This is confusing.
[13:43] <Jeremy31> Floating4: that is a bot
[13:43] <leftyfb> Floating4: if you're using NM, then you don't touch config files
[13:43] <Floating4> oh
[13:43] <leftyfb> Floating4: use LXD like I told you originally
[13:44] <Floating4> I was reading on it, but my problem is a precursor to LXD
[13:44] <leftyfb> Floating4: doubt it
[13:44] <leftyfb> Floating4: you problem was KVM not seeing the bridge. LXD will
[13:45] <Floating4> Hmmm, if u put it that way...
[13:45] <Floating4> what is the easiest way to get a hello world demo of LXD up?
[13:46] <leftyfb> Floating4: I have you the command yesterday
[13:46] <leftyfb> pfSenseHelp: sudo snap install lxd && sudo lxd init && lxc launch ubuntu:22.04 my-pfsense-server
[13:46] <leftyfb> Floating4: ^
[13:47] <leftyfb> Floating4: https://blog.simos.info/how-to-make-your-lxd-containers-get-ip-addresses-from-your-lan-using-a-bridge/
[13:48] <leftyfb> you'll want to create a new profile that uses your existing bridge and then change your container to use that profile. Then reboot the container
[13:54] <Floating4> thanks letfyb let me work thru this and see if I can get something running to prove the bridge shows up in the vm now
[13:56] <Dev-0x> hi el
[13:56] <Dev-0x> i have something to say to you
[13:56] <Dev-0x> mind private message
[15:47] <Hack5190> Q: if i do nslookup from the command line should the 'server' match the DNS entries set in the NIC configuration?
[15:52] <Hack5190> odd because "systemd-resolve --status | grep 'DNS Servers' -A2" returns the 2 DNS servers set in the NIC configuration.  Yet nslookup is returning the loopback address ......
[15:57] <tepperson> i did an apt upgrade on my computer and now it only boots to console. where do i start?
[16:01] <tepperson> oh it seems that ubuntu-desktop got removed when i installed gcc:i386. weird
[16:03] <leftyfb> Hack5190: right, which points to your local systemd-resolve caching resolver
[16:04] <Hack5190> makes sense - thanks leftyfb
[16:26] <code105> Hello
[16:26] <code105> i need a help
[16:26] <oerheks> ask, wait and see
[16:26] <leftyfb> !ask | code105
[16:27] <code105>   The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 4EDE055B645F044F
[16:27] <code105> When running sudo apt-get update
[16:27] <oerheks> from what repo?
[16:28] <leftyfb> proton
[16:28] <leftyfb> code105: gpg --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv 4EDE055B645F044F ; gpg --export --armor 4EDE055B645F044F  | sudo apt-key add -
[16:28] <code105> i removed proton
[16:28] <leftyfb> code105: the repo is still there
[16:28] <code105> so how can i remove this repo?
[16:29] <leftyfb> code105: look in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[16:29] <code105> Thank you so much guys
[16:32] <code105> sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:32] <code105> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend. It is held by process 36173 (apt)
[16:32] <code105> E: Unable to acquire the dpkg frontend lock (/var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend), is another process using it?
[16:32] <leftyfb> !paste | code105
[16:32] <leftyfb> code105: you probably have unattended upgrades running in the background
[16:33] <code105> Love you guys thanks for helping
[16:43] <tomreyn> lsrtl / lsrtl_ / lsrtl__ : please fix your client, thanks.
[16:53] <Guest96> Given the long term nature of ubuntu LTS, there's bound to be packages that aren't developed anymore upstream like python2. Is there a program or bash script that can let me know if a package is essentially a potential security issue?
[16:54] <tomreyn> Guest96: it will still receive security updates, or be removed.
[16:55] <leftyfb> Guest96: if you're on a supported LTS, you should be good to go
[16:55] <tomreyn> Guest96: you can follow https://usn.ubuntu.com for details on security handling on packages, and you should read release notes and package changelogs.
[16:56] <Guest96> I thought canonical didn't really touch the universe repo and left that to the community to be their problem?
[16:57] <leftyfb> Guest96: that's what ESM/Pro is for
[16:57] <tomreyn> Canonical doesn't guarantee to provide any level of security support for packages in universe outside of Ubuntu Pro
[16:57] <tomreyn> (this does not mean there occasionally can be some)
[16:57] <tomreyn> *can't
[16:58] <Guest96> If I'm not paying (right now) for ubuntu pro, am I shooting myself in the foot using 20.04 or 22.04?
[16:58] <leftyfb> Guest96: I would go with 22.04. That said, on an individual bases, you can add pro to 5 machines for free
[16:59] <tomreyn> * for non-comercial use
[17:07] <arraybolt3> tomreyn: Commercial use is permitted.
[17:07] <arraybolt3> There's nothing in the license terms that prohibits it, and ads for it specifically mention small-scale commercial use.
[17:12] <arraybolt3> See https://ubuntu.com/blog/ubuntu-pro-beta-release and https://ubuntu.com/legal/ubuntu-pro/personal
[17:13] <oerheks>  python2 is dead
[17:19] <tomreyn> arraybolt3: thanks!
[17:20] <tomreyn> i guess i was misinterpreting the term "personal" as "not commercial", maybe that's an uncommon interpretation?
[17:21] <arraybolt3> Meh, most companies that have a "personal version" of something *do* prohibit commercial use. I guess Canonical is different.
[17:49] <Betonhaus> hello quick question, is it possible to use chroot instead of schroot? and if not what do I need to change to make this command work: chroot "$LFS" /usr/bin/env -i HOME=/root TERM="$TERM" PS1='(lfs chroot) \u:\w\$ ' PATH=/usr/bin:/usr/sbin /bin/bash --login
[18:11] <hans_> sigh, in Ubuntu 18.04 (or was it 20.04) the network interface name was `ens1f0` - somehow in 22.04 it has a different name. any idea how to convert the name "ens1f0" to ubuntu 22.04 network interface naming scheme?
[18:20] <hans_> hmm no seems its still ens1f0 in 22.04 as well, my bad
[18:24] <p9> when I run systemctl as root the pager output is broken: instead of colors terminal escape sequences are displayed. I can fix it by typing "-r" so it looks systemctl forgets to add this option?
[18:24] <Roey> hello.  Does this involve Snap?? Hello, my system is running Kubuntu 22.10.  I just ran apt-get update / apt-get dist-upgrade; for some reason, Firefox appears to load but won't open.. I found something about this from last year, but it doesn't help: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1410896/firefox-wont-open-ubuntu-22-04
[18:25] <Roey> arraybolt3: hi o/
[18:39] <prabhakarlad> Hi all, I am looking for Linux source used in 22.04 release. could anyone point me to the repo please.
[18:40] <prabhakarlad> I searched in https://kernel.ubuntu.com/git/ but could find jammy jellyfish repo, there is jammy repo but it looks like it was modified last year.
[18:40] <leftyfb> prabhakarlad: sudo apt source linux-image-$(uname -r)
[18:42] <prabhakarlad> leftyfb: I plan to build image for arm64 and I dont have installation ready yet.
[18:43] <leftyfb> prabhakarlad: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jammy/+package/linux-image-generic
[18:48] <rfm> prabhakarlad, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/SourceCode gives some hints on how to obtain it with git
[18:49] <prabhakarlad> leftyfb: thanks for the link.
[18:50] <prabhakarlad> rfm: i did follow that link but couldn't find the source 22.04 release.
[18:57] <rfm> prabhakarlad. I just started git clone git://git.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-kernel/ubuntu/+source/linux/+git/jammy  and it seems to be chugging right along
[19:10] <rfm> prabhakarlad, and it's now completed and does seem to have gotten me a kernel source tree...
[19:34] <penguin__> hey guys , i am making a shell script for package manager in cli. please feel free to contribute : https://github.com/saqibmir1/packmaster
[19:36] <hans_> what url should i use? https://i.imgur.com/58njp2Q.png
[19:38] <hans_> .. probably https://releases.ubuntu.com/jammy/ubuntu-22.04.2-live-server-amd64.iso
[19:38] <hans_> (22.04.2)
[19:46] <eawfaw> My ubuntu usually runs into issues, and apps or the whole thing hangs, or crashes... This is the top command while one of those freezes happens: Any ideas what might be happening? https://pasteboard.co/GKgtDbsD2x8d.png
[19:46] <Habbie> eawfaw, you are running out of swap because you are running out of memory
[19:52] <aphido66> Try to check the sys logs also. and background process that uses CPU, you have lot of things going on it seems?
[19:52] <eawfaw> no, only firefox with a bunch of tabs
[19:53] <eawfaw> Habbie: How much memory and swap should I give Ubuntu to avoid this issue? I do like opening several websites at the same time
[19:53] <Habbie> i cannot give you numbers; but clearly you need more
[19:55] <eawfaw> does 16 GB RAM and 32 GB swap sound reasonable?
[19:56] <hans_> eawfaw: >Here's the legend: at a computer trade show in 1981, Bill Gates supposedly uttered this statement, in defense of the just-introduced IBM PC's 640KB usable RAM limit: "640K ought to be enough for anybody."
[19:56] <Habbie> i would likely not put 32 GB swap in a machine
[19:56] <BarnabasDK> eawfaw, with that configuration you definately have enough virtual mem
[19:56] <BarnabasDK> question is - do you really need that much
[19:56] <eawfaw> Habbie: Why wouldn't you put 32 GB swap?
[19:57] <BarnabasDK> eawfaw, size of disk?
[19:57] <Habbie> eawfaw, because swap is slow and if my system is putting 32 GB in there, nothing will be fun
[19:57] <UnivrslSuprBox> I see that USN-5855-2 was issued for ImageMagick to LTS, not ESM. Is USN-5736-2 included in that release? Is the Security team preparing two different releases of packages for Pro and non-Pro customers now?
[19:57] <BarnabasDK> also type of tisk
[19:57] <BarnabasDK> disk
[19:57] <BarnabasDK> some disk types are not suited for swap space usage
[19:58] <BarnabasDK> per their nature
[19:58] <eawfaw> This is an SSD
[19:59] <BarnabasDK> some expensive ssds can take an incredible amount of writes - some user electronic levels cannot
[19:59] <BarnabasDK> so what is "ssd"
[20:00] <eawfaw> Solid State Disk?
[20:00] <arraybolt3> UnivrslSuprBox: There were some ImageMagick updates released recently that are just normal updates, not Ubuntu Pro updates.
[20:00] <ruser> there used to be  a "rule" swap =2x ram does it still hold?
[20:00] <arraybolt3> ruser: Not really.
[20:00] <ruser> arraybolt3: care to elaborate? i've been out of touch for a little bit
[20:01] <BarnabasDK> eawfaw, ssd is the interface to your disk, not the technology it uses to store data
[20:01] <arraybolt3> I don't understand why the rule used to exist before, but modern Linux distros generally only make a very small swapfile at install time (between 512 MB to 2 GB in my experience).
[20:01] <arraybolt3> ruser: ^
[20:01] <eawfaw> is there some automatic built in way of knowing when I'm running out of RAM or swap? I'm okay with a message saying: You cannot open more tabs because you run out of memory... I hate it when things just start going terrible slow or hang because of memory
[20:02] <arraybolt3> ruser: There are some distros that still make a bunch of swap space, but they are exceptions AFAIK.
[20:02] <hans_> "Killed"
[20:02] <hans_> lel
[20:02] <arraybolt3> ruser: I frequently will run my machines with no swap at all. If I need extra RAM, I use RAM compression.
[20:02] <UnivrslSuprBox> arraybolt3: Do you have access to the ESM repository? Was another src:imagemagick released there to sync up with the normal Universe?
[20:03] <arraybolt3> UnivrslSuprBox: I *can* access the ESM repos but I haven't enabled Ubuntu Pro on any of my systems since I don't care for it.
[20:03] <arraybolt3> Anyone who enabled Ubuntu Pro can look through the ESM repos all they want, and can even pull the source code for the packages if they want to.
[20:04] <arraybolt3> UnivrslSuprBox: Ubuntu Pro isn't supported here as it is a proprietary service by Canonical that the Ubuntu Community can't control. So you'd probably need to ask someone at Canonical that question.
[20:04] <UnivrslSuprBox> Right, I'm just wondering how the mechanics of all this are working. I didn't expect the security team to maintain ESM as a derivative of Ubuntu during the LTS period.
[20:04] <UnivrslSuprBox> With needing to sync Universe into ESM and all that
[20:04] <ruser> arraybolt3: hmm, i thought swap compressors are ways of the past.  especially on linux, interesting.
[20:05] <arraybolt3> Yeah I don't know how all the mechanics work either. The Ubuntu devs are just doing things as they always have, however Canonical chooses to deal with that is up to them.
[20:05] <arraybolt3> ruser: It works really well, I have a guide I wrote on how to do it.
[20:05] <ruser> arraybolt3: link?
[20:05] <arraybolt3> ruser: https://discourse.lubuntu.me/t/enabling-ram-compression-on-lubuntu/3323
[20:05] <arraybolt3> This is for Lubuntu, but with some tweaking it should work on other Ubuntu flavors too.
[20:06] <ruser> arraybolt3: also, while we are on the topic, are OOEM killers still a thing?
[20:07] <arraybolt3> Yes.
[20:07] <arraybolt3> Older versions of Ubuntu relied on the kernel OOM killer which hardly worked. Newer ones use system-oomd, which kicks in sooner and works better.
[20:08] <ruser> arraybolt3: cool. reading your post shouldn't this say:  at expense of cpu and and seek/marshalling time? "ssentially giving your system extra RAM at the expense of some CPU power, and enabling you to do tasks that wouldn’t usually be possible with a low-RAM system."
[20:08] <ruser> seek is probably not applicable since no longer spinning platters
[20:09] <arraybolt3> I mean, it's all in RAM now.
[20:09] <arraybolt3> The compressed RAMdisk is stored in RAM.
[20:09] <ruser> oh, i think i was also misreading, my bad
[20:09] <arraybolt3> It's basically swapping from RAM to RAM but compressing when it does so.
[20:10] <eawfaw> BarnabasDK: I thought SSD was the technology and nvme or SATA or PCI-e the interface...
[20:12] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1454409/where-do-i-get-the-source-for-esm-packages
[20:12] <oerheks> UnivrslSuprBox, ^^^
[20:12] <UnivrslSuprBox> Thanks, oerheks. Guess I should confirm before assuming, but anything but my assumption seems odd.
[20:12] <UnivrslSuprBox> Thanks arraybolt3 too
[20:27] <jhutchins> I think a 50% increase in RAM from compression is terribly optimistic.  I think you'd see more like 10%-20%
[20:29] <arraybolt3> jhutchins: You'd be surprised.
[20:29] <arraybolt3> I've done this in production, and it is amazingly good.
[20:30] <arraybolt3> Keep in mind that RAM is usually fully uncompressed data since it's what programs are actively using in their work.
[20:30] <arraybolt3> So it compresses rather well.
[20:31] <topcat001> zram at most times does much better than 2:1 for me, currently I'm getting almost 4:1
[20:48] <prabhakarlad> rfm: thanks, ill give that a shot.
[20:51] <Guest35> hey, could you please help me with mounting NFS ?
[20:53] <tomreyn> which ubuntu version are you running? what have you tried, what was the expected outcome, what was the actual outcome?
[20:54] <Guest35> I'm trying to run it via SSH tunnel. I have two Ubuntu machines: A and B. A has access to some internal NFS, while B does not have
[20:55] <Guest35> I set up SOCKS proxy to machine A
[20:55] <Guest35> then I used proxychains nfs-ls -D nfs://internal_nfs
[20:55] <Guest35> it returned list of export
[20:55] <Guest35> however, when I tried to mount it, I I got timeout
[20:59] <mybalzitch> not sure, did you try specifying TCP when mounting via nfs?
[20:59] <Guest35> yup
[21:03] <octav1a> There's a weird thing, usually in X terminals, if I scroll up, it will scroll through the back buffer. However, after some unknown event happens, scrolling up will instead act like pressing the up arrow, scrolling back through commands. I usually want the former behavior. The only way I can see to get it back is to close the terminal and open another. Is there any quick reset command or something I can do to stop this random switch from
[21:03] <octav1a> happening?
[21:05] <tomreyn> "reset"
[21:24] <aleksandar1047> Hello
[21:24] <aleksandar1047> i'm looking for girl
[21:24] <aleksandar1047> to make conversation
[21:24] <aleksandar1047> i'm male
[21:25] <Habbie> aleksandar1047, you're in the wrong place
[21:26] <tomreyn> !#ubuntu | aleksandar1047
[21:27] <jhutchins> Oh come on.
[22:04] <bray90820> maybe not the right place for this but no matter what I do when i create an audio sink in ubuntu it gives it the name null sink
[22:04] <bray90820> 22.04
[22:06] <tomreyn> bray90820: please don't cross-post
[22:18] <prabhakarlad> hi all, can anyone point me on how to cross compile ubuntu kernel and rootfs for arm64. Any pointers would be really helpful.
[22:29] <johnjaye> is jessie still supported with packge updates or no?
[22:30] <johnjaye> er not jessie. 18.04
[22:31] <tomreyn> johnjaye: a few more weeks by default. longer with !esm
[22:31] <johnjaye> where on the website do I check for this
[22:31] <johnjaye> or is it just based off 5 year periods?
[22:31] <tomreyn> there's a free 5y support period for LTS releases, which applies here.
[22:32] <tomreyn> and then there is https://ubuntu.com/security/esm
[22:32] <johnjaye> ok. yeah that sounds familiar
[22:34] <johnjaye> ok thanks
[22:34] <tomreyn> johnjaye: see also ubuntu.com/pro
[22:34] <tomreyn> looks like this page is missing a link to it
[22:41] <plugwash-uni> what is the reccomended overlay filesystem nowadays?
[22:41] <ravage> that depends on what you want to to
[22:41] <ravage> probably overlayfs?
[22:46] <plugwash-uni> yeah, I thought that too but I was having trouble making it work and wondering if it had been replaced. Seems it's just a case of everyone calls it overlayfs but the kernel just calls it overlay
[22:47] <odesportes_> Hi all
[22:50] <odesportes_> I'm trying to set up a bridge on a 22.04 box thats has two ethernet interfaces. Its use would be to "chain" this box and another ubuntu one so both can be on the same network and reach the internet.
[22:52] <odesportes_> For that I try to use native Ubuntu network options : nm-connection-editor
[22:53] <odesportes_> It should be a classical use-case but I can't find useful informations for it  on the web
[22:54] <odesportes_> Who'd know how to proceed ?
[22:57] <odesportes_> I'd need a bridge, no NAT
[22:57] <odesportes_> both computers have to be on the same network
[22:57] <StupidLikeAFox> Any tips for getting an apple magic mouse 2 to work properly in xubuntu? I got it to pair, and cursor movement and backup tactile buttons work- but the touch surface doesn't respond
[23:00] <StupidLikeAFox> it shows up as 'Magic Mouse' in Mouse and Touchpad settings, but has the same options available as my normal mosue does
[23:17] <ai_> привет кто не спит
[23:38] <morgan-acer> /nick morgan-acer
[23:52] <morgan-acer> dear friends, I am the person who has been complaining for over 2 years about my chrome dying often. I am now on a different computer, installation of ubuntu-mate-with gnome de.  I DONT HAVE CHROME DYING even though I have 48 chrome tabs and many of them (16) are youtube tabs. Now, my "other computer"(dell) is faster and I would like to go back to it. I would like to find the genesis of the problem